Jan 07, 2025 Historic Landmark Commission on 01/07/2025 5:30 PM

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I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA SHOW UP.

SO,

[1. CALL TO ORDER – 5:30 PM]

WE HAVE A HUGE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.

SO, UM, WELCOME TO HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYBODY.

THIS IS TUESDAY, JANUARY 7TH, 2025, OUR FIRST MEETING OF THE YEAR.

WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 5 32.

[2. CONFLICT OF INTEREST ]

DON'T SEE ANYBODY MOVING.

SO I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THERE.

NEXT IS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UM, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VISITOR'S, GUESTS TO ADDRESS THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION.

YOU ANY ISSUES.

THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ANY PRESENTATION OR ISSUES AND TAKE ACTION AT THIS TIME ACCORDING TO ATTORNEY GENERAL.

UM, SEEING NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY VISITORS TONIGHT BESIDES US.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA: All items listed below within the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the Historic Landmark Commission and may be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of items unless a Commission Member or citizen so requests, in which event the item may be moved to the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.]

COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

UM, ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 3RD, 2024.

UM, AT THIS TIME, OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO REVIEW THE MINUTES IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, AND APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY TO VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT.

SORRY, I FORGOT TO SIGN IN.

OH, YOU'RE GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT PASSES FOUR TO ZERO, THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ALRIGHT,

[5.A. Consider a certificate of appropriateness for a monument sign located at 302 S Main Street. (Tutu’s Garden)]

THIS IS OUR FIRST ACTION ITEM FOR 2025.

THIS IS FIVE A 2 0 2 4 DASH 6 6 3.

THIS IS A CONSIDERATION APPROPRIATE FOR A MONUMENT SIGN LOCATED AT 3 0 2 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

ALRIGHT, PUT YOU ON THE SPOT TONIGHT, .

I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE.

UM, FRANKIE LINDER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HERE.

UH, SO THIS SHOULD BE A LITTLE FAMILIAR.

WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT IT LAST MONTH.

THEY ARE LOOKING TO, UH, UPDATE THE MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S THERE.

THIS IS, UH, THE CURRENT SITE DECKED OUT FOR CHRISTMAS.

UM, THE SITE, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE STRUCTURE IS 1860.

IT'S A HENRY A WINDLER HOUSE.

UM, IT IS A CON, EXCUSE ME, A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND IT IS A TEXAS GERMAN VERNACULAR STYLE.

AND OF COURSE IT IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

SO THIS IS THE SIGN IN QUESTION.

THIS IS HOW IT CURRENTLY LOOKS.

THIS IS WITH THE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE THAT IS ON SITE.

UM, IT IS 60 BY 30.

UM, IT'S A WHITE BACKGROUND WITH GREEN BORDER, TWO TYPES OF FONT AND FIVE COLORS.

IT ALSO HAS THIS, UM, UP LIGHTING RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS AN LED LIGHT THAT IS DIRECTED UPWARD.

UM, THIS TYPE OF LIGHT IS ALLOWED, HOWEVER, IT DOES NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO LIGHT TRESPASS BEYOND THE EDGE OF THE SIGN.

AND THE LIGHT ITSELF NEEDS TO BE, UH, DARK SKY COMPLIANT.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE, THE CALVIN, SO THE WARMTH, THE COLOR, THE TONE OF THE LIGHT, AS WELL AS THE LUMENS, THE BRIGHTNESS.

THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

SO THIS IS DIFFERENT.

THIS IS UTILIZING THE EXISTING STONE MONUMENT STRUCTURE.

UM, THIS SIGN IS GOING TO BE 72 BY 48.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE CURRENT SIZE.

UM, THEY ARE GOING TO BE ATTACHING DECORATIVE METAL LETTERS TO THE EXISTING SIGN.

THE STUCCO WILL REMAIN THE SAME COLOR.

THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO PAINT IT.

UM, IT IS IN GOOD CONDITION AS, AS OF TODAY.

UM, THEY WILL BE UTILIZING TWO DIFFERENT, UM, FONT TYPES AND THREE DIFFERENT COLORS.

SO THEY HAVE REDUCED THE COLORS DOWN TO THREE.

UM, AND HERE IS A PROFILE VIEW.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS METAL.

IT'S, IT'S NOT A METAL SIGN THAT'S ON ITS INDIVIDUAL METAL LETTERS CUT OUT AND PUT ON THE STUCCO SIGN.

WOW.

SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, DOES MEET THE UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.

UM, IT'S A RECTANGULAR MONUMENT SIGN.

IT'S METAL AND IT'S STONE MATERIALS.

IT'S FOUR COLORS OR LESS.

IT'S A MAXIMUM OF TWO FONTS, WHICH IS WITHIN THE STOR DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

AND THE LIGHTING, UM, DOES NEED SOME MODIFICATIONS TO IT.

THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO MAKE THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO ENSURE THERE'S NO LIGHT TRESPASS AS WELL AS TO CHANGE THE LED BULB.

SO IT IS DARK SKY COMPLIANT.

SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LITTLE ASTERISK THERE.

MM-HMM .

OKAY.

SO WE ARE, UM, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS NEW COMMERCIAL MONUMENT SIGN WITH THE STIPULATION, UM, THAT IT SATISFIES THE DARK SKY REQUIREMENTS.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING, UM, CITY STAFF WILL ENSURE

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OKAY.

HERE IS THE, UM, MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

OKAY.

I, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION JUST FOR, UH, CLARIFICATION.

IT SAYS THAT IT'S DECORATIVE METAL LETTERS AND LOGO ELEMENTS ATTACHED TO STONE SLAB.

YES.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE BUTTERFLY IS GONNA BE CUT OUT.

MM-HMM .

NOW EACH, EACH INDIVIDUAL LETTER WILL BE CUT OUT FOR LIKE TWO TWO'S GARDEN.

AND THE ASTERISK WILL BE, OR WILL IT BE LIKE ALL OF TUTU'S WILL JUST BE ONE PIECE OF METAL.

PIECE OF METAL.

GOOD.

SO, UM, UH, YOU CAN SEE IN THE PROFILE HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO GROUP THE LETTERS TOGETHER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

YOU CAN SEE, UM, THIS PURPLE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO GARDENS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONNECTION POINTS.

UM, IN SOME CASES THAT'S NOT GONNA BE POSSIBLE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE T IS SEPARATED, THE ASTERISK IS SEPARATED.

UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE ARE STILL GONNA BE CUT OUT SEPARATE, FLOATING, IF YOU WILL.

UM, AND ATTACHED TO THE STUCCO, THE STONE.

THAT'S A LOT OF WORK.

THAT'S A LOT OF WORK.

THEY LOOK NICE.

YEAH.

AND, AND HOW ARE THEY GONNA DO THE, THE FLOWER GROUPING? I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE ALL ONE PIECE.

MAYBE.

THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE.

YEAH.

MM-HMM .

YEAH, YOU CAN SEE HERE IT'S, IT'S HARD TO TELL WITH THE PROFILE.

RIGHT.

UM, BUT I, I BELIEVE THE, THIS LOGO PART, THE FLOWER IS GOING TO BE ONE PIECE, UM, OF CONTINUOUS YEAH.

CUT METAL AND ATTACHED IN A COUPLE OF POINTS.

OKAY.

SO IN SOME AREAS WHEN, IF IT'S ALL ONE PIECE, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE WHITE BACKGROUND, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE STUCK OR THE, THE COLOR OF THE STONE.

SO, UM, WHEN I SAY ONE PIECE, UM, I, I DO MEAN WITH THE OUTLINE.

SO THERE'LL BE HOLES IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS.

SO BETWEEN THE LEAVES YOU WILL SEE THE STUCCO THROUGH IT.

SO IT WILL JUST BE THE FLOWERS AND THE STEMS THAT ARE, ARE ONE PIECE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE STONE THROUGH IT.

SO RIGHT HERE WILL BE STONE.

IT WON'T BE A RECTANGLE THAT'S PUT ON.

IT WILL BE UM, LIKE LASER CUT.

OKAY.

GOTCHA.

IT'S A LASER CUT.

SO LIKE IF, IF YOU LOOK AT TUTU'S AND THE S MM-HMM .

THE INSIDE OF THE S IS SOLID.

WILL THAT BE CUT OUT OR WILL THAT BE WHITE? SO I BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE CUT OUT.

SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE STUCCO THROUGH IT.

SO WITH THE UPLIGHTING IT WILL CAST A SHADOW IN THE EVENING.

UM, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE SHADOW OF TUTU'S GARDEN ON THE STONE AS WELL.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, AND THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE ON BEHAN.

YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE CUT LETTERING FOR THE BAAT ON THE SIGN? YEAH.

IN FRONT OF THE, UH, BEHAN.

MM-HMM .

IT'S VERY SIMILAR.

YEAH.

SO THIS IS MORE DECORATIVE, MORE DETAILED, BUT BEHAN IS VERY SIMILAR.

THE CUT LETTERING.

MM-HMM .

AND THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THE IT STONE MONUMENT SIGN THERE ON THE ROAD AS WELL.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND, AND CAN YOU GO TO THE, UH, TO THE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURE? SO THIS IS THE CURRENT TEMPORARY SIGN.

SO THE STONE WOULD REMAIN AND THE, UM, THE, UH, PLANTER AND THE STONE BASE WOULD REMAIN AS WELL.

AND UM, THE LIGHT WILL HAVE TO BE MODIFIED.

UH, BUT THERE WILL STILL BE AN UPLIGHT THERE.

OKAY.

UH, AND THEN CAN YOU, UH, FLIP THROUGH TO MAYBE THE SMALLER BEFORE AND AFTER THIS PAGE? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS A PAGE NUMBER.

UH, THIS ONE? NO, I HAVE, THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S ONLY THREE.

THIS IS, THIS IS THE AFTER THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO LOOK LIKE.

YEAH.

OH, GOTCHA.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND THE WINE COMPANY HAD THAT, BUT THAT WAS THERE BEFORE AS CUT OUT LETTERS LIKE THIS AS WELL.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW TO MAIN STREET.

RIGHT.

YEAH.

I COULD EITHER SEE THIS GOING REALLY WELL OR, OR

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WELL, I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, KNOWING WHO THE OWNERS ARE, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE NICE.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT SOMETHING UP.

RIGHT.

I THINK, YEAH, I MEAN BEAUS IS NICE.

THE WINE COMPANY WAS NICE AND THE SIGNED COMPANY IS REPUTABLE.

I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO A GREAT JOB MAKING SURE THE LETTERS ARE STRAIGHT AND YEAH, THEY WORK WELL WITH THEM.

MM-HMM .

A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT IT'LL BE NICE.

YEAH, IT'LL BE NICE.

ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO APPROVE.

UH, ACTION ITEM 2024 DASH 6 63.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR MONUMENT SIGN LOCATED AT 3 0 2 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

TWO TWO GARDEN WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE LIGHTING COMPLIES WITH THE NEW DARK SKY ORDINANCE.

ALRIGHT, GOT A FIRST, YOU MAY HAVE A MOTION FOR A SECOND.

GOT A SECOND AS WELL.

OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY TO VOTE ON THIS ACTION ITEM.

ALRIGHT, THAT ONE PASSES FOUR TO ZERO.

THEY CAN GET THE PERMANENT SIGN UP NOW.

GET RID OF THE TEMP TEMPORARY ONE.

ALRIGHT, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, COMMENTS FROM UH, STAFF FOR LEGAL? NO, THEY'RE COMMENTS TONIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING TONIGHT? Y'ALL WANNA GET HOME EARLY TONIGHT? .

ALRIGHT.

I GUESS WE WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

I MOVE TO ADJOURN.

ALL RIGHT.

GOT A FIRST, SECOND.

SECOND.

WE'RE OUTTA HERE.

ALRIGHT, FIRST ONE FOR THE YEAR.

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