Jan 13, 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission on 2025-01-13 6:00 PM

OH, THAT'S GREAT.

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SO

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I'M TIM VAN WOLFF AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE AND PRIVILEGE OF SERVING ALONG WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

BEFORE WE BEGIN, LET'S RISE FOR THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS FLAG.

FIRST TO THE AMERICAN FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

NOW, PLEASE FACE THE TEXAS FLAG, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

AND NOW IF YOU'D PLEASE JOIN ME IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE, REMEMBERING THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OUR FELLOW AMERICANS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THE LOS ANGELES FIRES AND THE EFFORTS OF THE ROIC FIREFIGHTERS TO PUT THOSE FIRES OUT.

THANK YOU.

PLEASE BE SEATED.

ALRIGHT, ANY CONFLICTS

[2. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST]

IF NOT, WE'LL PROCEED TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS THIS EVENING? UH, DOES ANYONE OUT THERE WISH TO MAKE ANY STATEMENTS TO THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING ON ANY MATTER BEFORE THE COMMISSION OR ON ANYTHING ELSE OF INTEREST TO YOU? ALRIGHT.

IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA: All items listed below within the consent agenda are considered routine by the Planning and Zoning Commission and may be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of items unless there is a Commission member or citizen request, in which event the item may be moved to the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.]

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MOVED BY COMMISSIONER KATES.

IS THERE A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BURR.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, THEN CAST YOUR VOTE AND WILL REVEAL THE RESULTS.

AND THE CONSENT AGENDA PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SIX IN FAVOR AND UN OPPOSED ONTO.

THE REALLY ONLY ACTION

[5.A. Consider the City of Boerne Planning & Zoning Commission Rules of Decorum and Subcommittee Guidelines.]

NOW, I BROUGHT THIS BEFORE YOU ALL BACK IN NOVEMBER, UM, WITH THE NOTION THAT THIS IS OF COURSE, A BODY THAT WORKS VERY WELL TOGETHER, COLLABORATIVELY, COOPERATIVELY, ALL PULLING OUR ORS THE SAME DIRECTION.

AND IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO THEN CODIFY WHAT OUR CONDUCT BEHAVIOR EXPECTATIONS HAVE BEEN THESE LAST FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.

SO I PROPOSED WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, WITH, UH, ATTORNEY MCCS AND, UH, MR. CRANE'S HELP TO, UH, HAVE THIS COMMISSION CONSIDER RULES OF DECORUM.

AND TOGETHER WITH THAT SUBCOMMITTEE GUIDELINES, WE UH, DISCUSSED THIS BRIEFLY IN NOVEMBER WHEN IT WAS FIRST PRESENTED.

WE DISCUSSED IT AGAIN LAST MONTH.

AND THEN, UH, IT'S ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION LAST MONTH.

UM, MR. MCCAMEY NOTED THAT HE HAD MADE A FEW MINOR ADJUSTMENTS AND CHANGES TO THE FIRST DRAFT THAT WE DISCUSSED IN NOVEMBER.

AND I'D ASKED THAT THOSE MINOR CHANGES BE RED LINED AGAINST THE INITIAL DRAFT.

YOU ALL SAW, I DON'T THINK MR. CRANE, THIS IS THAT RED LINE.

THIS IS STILL VERSUS MY INITIAL VERSION WAY BACK IN SEPTEMBER.

SO, UM, MR. MCCAMEY, CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE MINOR ADJUSTMENTS YOU MADE? I KNOW YOU INCLUDED A REFERENCE TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT IN TONIGHT'S DRAFT.

WOULD YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH WHAT CHANGES, WHAT MODIFICATIONS YOU MADE TO THE INITIAL DRAFT WE ALL SAW BACK IN NOVEMBER? OKAY.

UH, LET ME PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK MR. CHAIRMAN, MOST OF THE CHANGES I MADE WERE MERELY GRAMMATICAL INTO KIND OF, UH, STREAMLINE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE MORE OR LESS.

UH, THEY WEREN'T REALLY SUBSTANTIVE.

I DID, HOWEVER, UH, AS YOU NOTED, UH, THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST BUTTRESS THE FACT THAT WE MUST COMPLY WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AS FAR AS POSSIBLE AND EVERYTHING WE DO.

AND THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WE NEEDED THESE GUIDELINES WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE MEMBERS UNDERSTOOD AND THAT THE PUBLIC COULD HAVE SOME CONFIDENCE THAT WE WERE DOING THAT, UH, IN, IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE PROCESS.

AND THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD NOT BE MAKING ANY DECISIONS ON THEIR OWN.

THAT THEY WERE ADVISORY ONLY.

UM, AND THAT A REPORT BY MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO THE FULL COMMISSION IS ONE OF THE MAIN ELEMENTS OF THE PROCESS.

BUT ACTUALLY, I, I REALLY DON'T THINK MR. CHAIRMAN THERE WERE REALLY ANY OTHER SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.

IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF

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OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND I NOTE THE, YEAH.

REFERENCE TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT IS UNDER 12 ITEM 12 SUBCOMMITTEE GUIDELINES.

CORRECT.

IS THAT YES, YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

I ADDED THAT AS TO, UM, IT HADN'T BEEN, I DON'T THINK IT HAD BEEN REFERENCED ELSEWHERE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT IN THERE.

WELL, IT WAS.

AND, AND THANKS, UM, MR. MCCAMEY FOR FINE TUNING, UH, IN A MUCH MORE IMPROVED FASHION.

MY INITIAL DRAFT BACK IN SEPTEMBER.

I THINK YOU'VE DONE A TERRIFIC JOB CONSOLIDATING AND, AND BEING MORE CONCISE.

UM, AND IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW, PUTTING RESPONSIBILITIES ON THE CHAIR TO BE, UH, SURE TO MOVE THE MEETINGS ALONG, WHICH I APPRECIATE.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALSO PART OF IT, YES.

UH, THAT THE CHAIR DID HAVE A, UH, DUTIES WITH REGARD TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE PROCESS.

YES.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY 'CAUSE I WANTED YOU ALL TO TAKE TIME TO LOOK AT THIS AND EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHTS.

THERE IS ALWAYS A BETTER MOUSETRAP, SO, UH, WE CAN BUILD A BETTER ONE.

IF, UH, YOU ALL HAVE ANY SUGGESTED CHANGES, COMMENTS, ADDITIONS, REQUESTS, REVISIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? UH, YOU ALL ARE PREPARED TO VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL COMMISSIONER FERRA COMES BACK NEXT MONTH? I THINK WE'RE OKAY TO VOTE.

I VOTE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT THEN.

ANY DISCUSSION? THERE ARE MOTION TO APPROVE THE RULES OF CORPSMAN SUBCOMMITTEE GUIDELINES AS PRESENTED THIS EVENING, MADE, MADE BY COMMISSIONER BUR SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.

HOLLER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL WELL, THANK YOU ALL.

THEN CAST YOUR VOTE AND WE WILL REVEAL THE RESULTS AND THEN MOTIONS TO PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

SIX IN FAVOR, NOT OPPOSED.

THANK YOU TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

AND AGAIN, MR. MCC.

YES, SIR.

ARE REALLY DOING A FINE JOB CLEANING UP MY, UH, MY INITIAL DRAFT.

AND I BORROWED HEAVILY FROM SOMETHING THAT I'D GOTTEN FROM MR. CRANE THAT I THINK HE HAD SEEN OR USED IN A PRIOR, UM, POSITION.

ANOTHER LOCALE, UM, THAT IS ALL OF THE REGULAR BUSINESS FOR THIS EVENING.

UH, TIME FOR

[6. COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION/LEGAL COUNSEL/STAFF - No discussion or action may take place]

MR. CRANE.

JUST WANTED TO, UM, UPDATE THE COMMISSION ON OUR AMENDMENTS, PARTICULARLY WITH THE, UH, FOOD TRUCKS AND NOISE.

'CAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY WORKED, UH, VERY HARD AND DILIGENTLY ON THOSE.

UH, THOSE WILL BE FOR COUNSEL FOR SECOND READING, UH, TOMORROW NIGHT.

SO THEY WERE VERY PLEASED WITH THE PRODUCT AND APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

AND I, I WANT, AGAIN, THANK COMMISSIONER HYLER, COMMISSIONER KATES AND COMMISSIONER BYRD.

ALL THREE WERE DEEPLY INVOLVED IN BOTH OF THOSE.

UH, SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT WE FINALLY WILL HAVE CROSSED THE FINISH LINE ONCE, I PRESUME COUNSEL TAKES THEIR ACTION TOMORROW EVENING AND APPROVES THOSE.

SO, THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME SPENT AS ALWAYS, THE EFFORT AND THE DUE DILIGENCE, UH, THAT YOU ALL ALWAYS BRING TO YOUR POSITION AS AN APPOINTED MEMBER OF THIS BODY.

I DO HAVE ONE FINAL THING.

I SEE MS. VARGOS OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.

WOULD YOU COME FORWARD, MS. VARGOS, AND WOULD YOU TELL US WHAT ESTEEM CERTIFICATION YOU RECEIVED RECENTLY? ? I'M NOT SURE ALL OF US ARE AWARE OF WHAT YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED IN THIS REGARD, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THAT THIS EVENING AND HAVE YOU SHARE WITH ALL OF US WHAT YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED AND HOW YOU ACCOMPLISHED IT.

WELL, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, I'M HONORED THAT, UH, YOU ALL ARE TAKING YOUR TIME TO, UM, JUST HIGHLIGHT THE RECENT CERTIFICATION THAT I RECEIVED.

UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, I, UH, RECENTLY SAT FOR AND PASSED THE A ICP, UH, EXAM.

IT WAS NOVEMBER 25TH THAT I TOOK THE EXAM RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

AND HAPPY TO REPORT THAT IT WAS A HAPPY THANKSGIVING IN OUR HOUSEHOLD BECAUSE I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO PASS THAT EXAM.

IT IS A FOUR HOUR, UM, EXAM, WHICH IS VERY LARGE IN DEPTH.

UM, I WOULDN'T COMPARE IT TO THE BAR.

UM, I KNOW WE HAVE SOME ATTORNEYS IN THE ROOM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT DOES COVER PLANNING LAW AMONG OTHER, UM, VARIOUS ASPECTS AND DISCIPLINES OF THE PLANNING PROFESSION.

AND SO IF YOU PASS THIS EXAM, AND I'LL POINT OUT THAT IT, THE STATISTIC IS SOMETHING LIKE 66% OF, UH, FOLKS PASS ON THE FIRST TRY.

UM, IT IS, YOU KNOW, JUST CERTIFYING THAT YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND, UM, PROFESSIONAL SKILLSET TO PERFORM AS A CERTIFIED PLANNER.

AND SO I AM, UH, FORTUNATE THAT MY, UM, PLANNING DIRECTOR AND ALSO THE ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR, FRANKIE, WERE

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UM, THEY DID ENCOURAGE ME TO SIGN UP FOR A COURSE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND ENCOURAGING OF THE PREPARATION WORK.

AND I WILL ADD, UM, IF I MAY, THAT IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN FOUR TO SIX MONTHS OF STUDY PREPARATION.

SO, UM, A LONG, A LONG STUDY, UH, PERIOD, BUT A FRUITFUL ONE.

AND SO I'M HAPPY TO, UM, HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL AND THANK YOU.

SO THIS WAS YOUR FIRST TIME SITTING FOR THE EXAM? YES, IT WAS MY FIRST TIME.

AND I WILL SAY THAT IT WAS A PROFESSIONAL GOAL THAT I'VE HAD FOR 10 YEARS, BUT IN THOSE 10 YEARS I'VE HAD CHILDREN, I'VE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN, TAKEN SOME TIME, UM, AWAY FROM MY CAREER AND SO DID NOT GET TO, TO DOING IT UNTIL, UNTIL NOW.

AND SO VERY PLEASED AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT NEWS WITH YOU ALL.

SO THANKS AGAIN FOR THE RECOGNITION.

YOU SHOULD BE PLEASED.

CONGRATULATIONS.

I THINK.

THANK YOU.

WONDERFUL.

ACCOMPLISHED THAT ONE PROFESSIONAL GOAL THAT YOU SET FOR YOURSELF.

I KNOW PROBABLY OTHERS, UM, NOT SURE MR. MCCAMEY WOULD AGREE WITH ME.

THE PASSAGE RATE FOR THE BAR EXAM FOR FIRST TIME TAKERS IS WAY HIGHER THAN 66%.

SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOUR EXAM WAS HARDER THAN OURS.

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UM, POSSIBLY WE HAD THE BARBER EXAM TO RELY UPON AND TO GET READY FOR IT.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD FOUR TO SIX MONTHS OF INTENSIVE STUDY AND, AND DILIGENCE TO GET READY FOR THE EXAM.

SO, UH, THAT'S TRUE.

NO DOUBT.

IT WAS, UH, IT WAS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

AND CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN FOR PASSING YOUR FIRST TIME OUT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND YES, AND I'M HONORED TO JOIN THE LIKES OF NATHAN CRANE, WHO IS A ICP CERTIFIED AND ALSO FRANKIE AS WELL.

SO IN GOOD COMPANY FOR SURE.

THE THREE OF YOU ARE.

ALL RIGHT.

TERRIFIC.

WHAT OUR PLANS FOR THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENT, MR. CRANE, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT.

OKAY.

THAT'S ALL WE CAN ASK FOR.

CONTINUING EDUCATION IS A GREAT INVESTMENT OF TIME AND RESOURCES, SO THANK YOU ALL.

I'M DELIGHTED TO HAVE, UH, HAVE YOU JOIN THE, THE RANKS OF THOSE WITH A ICP CERTIFICATION HERE IN BERNIE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING TO ALL.

ANYTHING ELSE MR. CRANE? NO, SIR.

APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME AND COMING, ESPECIALLY YOU HAVE A SHORT MEETING.

A LOT OF TIMES FOLKS SAY I DON'T NEED TO BE THERE, SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING.

AND, UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER FRIAR COULDN'T MAKE IT BECAUSE SHE'S IN HAWAII, SO WE'LL LET THAT PASS FOR THE TIME.

DANG.

AND WAIT FOR THOSE WONDERFUL SNORKELING PICTURES OR WHATEVER SHE'S DOING UP IN HAWAII.

AS LONG AS SHE BRINGS US CANDY.

I'M GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT RECENT EARTHQUAKE BECAUSE SHE WAS THERE.

WASN'T THERE AN EARTHQUAKE IN HAWAII JUST TODAY OR YESTERDAY? UM, I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE WAS, HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.

ONE, ONE, SOME POTENTIALLY.

MAYBE I'M, MAYBE YOU'RE WRONG ON THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, UH, NO FURTHER BUSINESS THAN WE'RE ADJOURNED FOR THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.

NO LESS THAN 15 MINUTES.

RECORD.