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[1. CALL TO ORDER – 6:00 PM]
MEETING OF THE BERNIE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.I'M TIM VAN WOLF, AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE, ALONG WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS OF SERVING OUR COMMUNITY ON THIS BODY.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, PLEASE RISE AND WE'LL SAY THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE AND HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
FIRST FACE, THE UNITED STATES FLAG.
I PLEDGE TO FLAG THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
NOW, PLEASE FACE THE TEXAS FLAG, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
AND IF YOU'LL PLEASE JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
[2. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST]
ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA? IT'S A SHORT AGENDA.I'M HOPING NO CONFLICTS AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
HEATHER, I DON'T HAVE A SIGN IN SHEET.
DO YOU HAVE ONE FOR THIS MEETING? IF NOT, UM, ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH US ON ANY TOPIC, EITHER ON ANY ITEM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE THIS EVENING OR ON ANY OTHER ITEM.
SO EVEN IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP, WE'RE ALWAYS PRETTY FLEXIBLE ABOUT YOU COMING FORWARD AND SPEAKING YOUR MIND.
THIS LENDER'S GONNA BRING US THE LIST.
I'M SURE IT'S A LONG ONE BASED ON THE ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
NO ONE WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND, AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON ANYTHING PENDING BEFORE THE COMMISSION OF THE COMMUNITY.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA: All items listed below within the consent agenda are considered routine by the Planning and Zoning Commission and may be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of items unless there is a Commission member or citizen request, in which event the item may be moved to the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.]
RIGHT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS FOUR A, FOUR B, AND FOUR C.IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED BY CITY STAFF THIS EVENING IN THE PACKET THAT WE RECEIVED? MOTION TO APPROVE MADE BY COMMISSIONER KATE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION.
IF NOT, THEN PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE AND WE'LL REVEAL THE RESULTS.
AND THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ADOPTED UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, IT SHOWS ON MY SCREEN THE MOTION PASSED.
IT DOESN'T SHOW ON THE CONSENT AGENDA SCREEN OUT THERE FOR SOME REASON, BUT WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO ITEM FIVE A.
UM, THIS ITEM HAS BEEN POSTPONED, MR. CRANE? UH, YES, SIR.
IT'LL BE HEARD AT THE NEXT MEETING.
[5.B. Consider a request to allow on-site sewage at 123 Frederick Street.]
WE WILL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM FIVE B, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER A REQUEST TO ALLOW ONSITE SEWAGE AT 1 23 FREDERICK STREET.I BELIEVE MS. LINDER, YOU'RE UP.
UH, SO THIS ITEM ALIGNS WITH OUR STRATEGY MAP, UH, BY OFFERING QUALITY CUSTOMER EXPERIENCES.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 23 FREDERICK STREET.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1.655 ACRES, AND IT IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY MS. VICKY STRINGER.
UM, THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER RECENTLY PURCHASED IT AND IS LOOKING TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
IT HAS HISTORICALLY, UM, BEEN DEVELOPED AND USED MOST RECENTLY AS A SMALL ENGINE REPAIR.
UM, SHE IS LOOKING TO MAKE IT A PERSONAL SERVICE MULTIPLEX KIND OF SITUATION.
UM, AND BECAUSE OF THIS, IT DOES REQUIRE, UH, PLATING AND IT DOES REQUIRE ENSURING WE HAVE ADEQUATE SEWER SYSTEMS. UM, SO I'LL GO OVER A LITTLE MORE DETAIL OF THAT AND HERE IN A SECOND.
BUT FIRST I'M GONNA PUT OUT SOME BASICS ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED C3, WHICH IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
IT IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND JUST OUTSIDE OF THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
HERE IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS MAP.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ABOUT HALF OF THE PROPERTY IS COVERED WITH DPC ONE AND DPC TWO.
UM, THIS IS THE SIDE THAT ALSO GOES ALONG.
UH, OLD NUMBER NINE, UH, TRAIL.
UH, THIS DOES SEVERELY CONSTRAINT OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE DEVELOPABLE AREA.
HERE IS A SEWER MAP OF THE BROADER AREA.
UM, I'LL, I'LL DO A LITTLE CLOSER HERE IN A SECOND.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A SEWER MAIN HERE ALONG FREDERICK, ALONG MAIN AND ON OLD NUMBER NINE UP TO ABOUT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
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UH, WHERE, UH, THIS IS THE, THE CITY LIBRARY AND CITY HALL RIGHT HERE.SO HERE IS A LITTLE DIAGRAM WITH THE CURRENT SERVICE OF THE SITE.
SO AGAIN, THE SITE IS ALREADY DEVELOPED.
IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND THIS IS HOW IT CURRENTLY RECEIVES THAT SERVICE.
IF IT WAS TO CONTINUE OPERATING IN THE SAME CONFIGURATION AND THE SAME FLOW RATE AND ALL OF THAT, UM, THE CHANGES WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE HERE ON 1 23 FREDERICK, THIS ORANGE COLOR IS ONE 17 FREDERICK THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, THE RED STAR IS THE PRIVATE LIFT STATION THAT SERVICES THIS PROPERTY.
AND THE RED LINE IS A PRIVATE FORCE MAIN THAT CUTS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, DIAGONAL THROUGH FREDERICK STREET, AND THEN CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO MAIN, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE SEWER MAIN.
SO THIS IS NOT IDEAL FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
UM, WE'LL, WE'LL DIVE INTO, UH, OTHER OPTIONS.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, UM, WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY UTILITY EASEMENT, A PRIVATE UTILITY EASEMENT FOR THE SITE.
AS WELL AS THIS IS NOT IDEAL TO HAVE THIS MUCH OF A PRIVATE LINE IN A RIGHT OF WAY.
WE LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A PERPENDICULAR, UH, TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF PRIVATE LINES THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THE PUBLIC ROADWAY.
UH, HOWEVER, THIS ISN'T UNUSUAL FOR THIS AREA.
IN FACT, THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET USES A VERY SIMILAR FASHION.
UM, THIRD, THIS PRIVATE FORCE MAIN DROPS DIRECTLY INTO THE SEWER MAIN INSTEAD OF HAVING A SEWER SERVICE TO CONNECT THROUGH FIRST.
AGAIN, IF THEY WERE JUST USING THE SAME SITE AND NOT REDEVELOPING, EXCUSE ME, THE SAME STRUCTURE AND NOT REDEVELOPING, THEY'D BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE WITH THIS.
BUT OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT ALL SUBDIVISIONS WITHIN CITY LIMIT CONNECT TO THE MUNICIPAL SEWER SYSTEM.
UM, UNLESS HEREIN, UH, QUOTES, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DETERMINES THAT SUCH CONNECTION WOULD REQUIRE AN UNREASONABLE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS, ONE COMPARED WITH OTHER METHODS OF CH DISPOSAL.
SO SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED, UM, DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS SITE AND CAME UP WITH THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
SO WE'LL GO OVER EACH OF THOSE AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND, UM, THEN GET TO OUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO FIRST IS TO UPGRADE THE PRIVATE LIFT STATION AND SERVICE, UM, AND ALL SERVICE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION, BUT A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO INSTEAD OF, UM, THE RED STAR, WE HAVE A PINK STAR.
SO A UPGRADED, UH, LIFT STATION WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, UH, ULTIMATE DESIGN GROWTH.
SO DEPENDING ON HOW MANY, EXCUSE ME, HOW LARGE A DEVELOPMENT, HOW MUCH WATER FLOWS THROUGH THERE, MORE SEWERS NECESSARY.
UH, IT ALSO WILL REQUIRE A NEW UTILITY EASEMENT, PRIVATE UTILITY EASEMENT ON THE NEIGHBORING LOT HERE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A NEW SEWER SERVICE BEFORE IT CONNECTS TO THE MAIN.
AND THIS WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PIPE THAT IS UNDERNEATH THE ROAD IN THE CITY, UM, EXCUSE ME, UNDERNEATH THE ROAD.
SO THE COST ESTIMATE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IS, UH, $20,368 AND 61 CENTS.
THIS IS ONLY FOR THE LIFT STATION.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COST OF THE, UM, NEW SERVICE LINE OR OF THE NEW SEWER SERVICE.
OPTION NUMBER TWO IS TO EXTEND THE SEWER MAIN.
SO THE REASON WE CAN'T EXTEND THIS SEWER MAIN OVER, YOU KNOW, ONE PROPERTY WIDTH IS THAT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
IT WILL DAYLIGHT, IT'S GRAVITY FED SEWER.
SO THE NEXT OPTION WOULD BE TO EXTEND THE SEWER LINE FROM THE CITY HALL COMPLEX ALONG OLD NUMBER NINE TRAIL UP TO FREDERICK STREET.
THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 1,280 FEET.
UH, THE COST ESTIMATE FOR THIS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IS $175,912.
WE DO THINK THIS IS A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.
UH, WE, WE WOULD EXPECT THIS TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THIS.
UH, THIS IS THE, THE BEST LONG-TERM, UM, PRACTICE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
OPTION NUMBER THREE IS OSSF, WHICH IS, UH, A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A DIAGRAM THAT WAS CUT FROM, UH, ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT.
SO THIS SHOWS THE CURRENT STRUCTURE AND THEN ALL OF THESE THAT ARE KIND OF A DASH LINE, UM, SHOW THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT.
SO AT THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT, THIS IS WHAT
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WE'RE LOOKING AT.UH, THESE, THIS IS THE, THE, THE STRUCTURES THAT WOULD BE ON SITE.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM.
THE COST OF THIS IS ESTIMATED TO BE $15,500.
SO AS I MENTIONED, AND HERE WE CAN SEE ALL THE COST ESTIMATES TOGETHER.
SO AS I MENTIONED, THE UM, THE MAIN SEWER LINE EXTENSION IS CONSIDERED A BEST PRACTICE.
HOWEVER, UH, STAFF DOES FEEL THAT THIS FALLS INTO THE UNREASONABLE EXPENDITURES, UH, CLAUSE THAT IS IN THE UDC, THAT PNZ HAS THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE.
UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, WE ARE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING THE OSF, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM 'CAUSE WE DO FEEL LIKE THAT IS MORE OF A, UH, SHORT TERM, UH, MORE SHORT TERM THAN UPGRADING THE PRIVATE LINE WOULD BE.
AND SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL TONIGHT WITH A FEW STIPULATIONS.
ONE BEING THAT THE CITY, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE PROPERTY MUST CONNECT TO CITY SEWER SERVICES WITHIN FIVE YEARS OF THE SEWER BEING AVAILABLE.
UH, AND MUST PLAY ALL NECESSARY COSTS AND FEES AT THAT TIME.
SO IF WE GO BACK A LITTLE BIT, SO IF WE'RE LOOKING ON THIS SITE AND THIS PROPERTY UP HERE DEVELOPS AND THEY, LET'S SAY IN 10 YEARS OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER, AND THEY EXTEND THIS SEWER LINE UP TO HERE, THEN THIS PROPERTY, UH, THE IN QUESTION TONIGHT WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO CONNECT TO IT.
SO THE STIPULATION WOULD SAY WITHIN FIVE YEARS, THEY WOULD NEED TO CONNECT TO THAT.
THE SECOND STIPULATION IS THAT THE OSSF MUST COMPLY WITH ALL REQUIREMENTS AND BE PERMITTED THROUGH KENDALL COUNTY.
KENDALL COUNTY REGULATES ALL OF OUR SEPTIC SYSTEMS INSIDE CITY LIMITS OR IN THE COUNTY.
AND THE PROPERTY MUST COMPLY WITH ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY OF VERNE AND BE PLATTED.
SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE CURRENT SETUP? YES.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT BALLOON LINE, THE EXISTING SEWER LINE YOU EXPLAINED COULDN'T BE EXTENDED, BUT I DIDN'T CATCH THE REASON.
SO IF YOU EXTEND IT, IT'S GOING TO, IT'LL BE, UM, DAY LIGHTING MEANS IT'S GONNA GO ABOVE THE GROUND.
OH, THAT'S WHAT DAYLIGHT MEANS.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL BE DRIVING BY IT EVERY TIME I GO IN THAT IN AND OUTTA MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S GONNA BE TWO, THAT'S WHAT DAYLIGHTING MEANS.
I USED TO THINK DAYLIGHT WAS A GOOD TERM, BUT HERE IT'S A BAD TERM.
AND SEWER DAYLIGHT'S NOT GOOD TAKE, YOU DON'T LIKE TO SEE SEWER.
SO YOU CAN THINK OF IT THAT WAY.
UM, MS. STRING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, UM, OR EXPLAIN OR EXPOUND UPON THIS, ARE THESE STIPULATIONS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? WOULD YOU COME FORWARD PLEASE? AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY.
IF YOU WOULD JUST, WE KNOW YOUR NAME, BUT GIVE YOUR ADDRESS, WHICH WE KNOW IS ON FREDERICK STREET, BUT MY ADDRESS AT THIS LOCATION OR HOME? YEAH.
WHERE YOU LIVE BEFORE? I LIVE ON SUNDAY DRIVE.
UH, I THINK IT'S ALL REALLY GOOD.
UH, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT SOME OF IT, BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT'S, I DID NOT GO TO THEM WITH THE RIGHT DRAWING BECAUSE I'VE KIND OF BEEN BOUNCING AROUND TO SEE WHERE THE SEPTIC OR THE LIFT STATIONS WOULD GO.
SO WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA GO ISN'T DONE YET BY MY ENGINEER BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW YET.
BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE THE SETBACKS AND THE RIGHT DRIVE AND NOT BUILD OVER A SEWAGE.
AND THAT WILL COME AS I MEET WITH THEM.
WE GET THROUGH THIS AND THEN Y'ALL WILL HAVE YOUR, THE REAL, THE REAL DEAL DRAWING.
BUT YEAH, I THINK IT ALL SOUNDS REALLY PRETTY GOOD.
I'M REALLY GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THE LIFT STATION VERSUS THE SEWAGE BECAUSE I ALSO WANNA OFFER THE BACK HALF OF THAT PROPERTY FOR THE TRAIL, FOR GREEN SPACE, UH, PARKING, WHATEVER.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA BEAUTIFY IT, WHICH ALREADY HAVE CLEANED IT UP TONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN BY THERE.
AND THE GIRLS THAT WORK WITH ME IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING, WE ALREADY HAVE GIRLS THAT WANT TO GO BACK THERE AND MORE QUIET.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
ALRIGHT, MS. LINDER, ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER FROM THE COMMISSION FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT SHE MADE? COMMISSIONER KATES, I'LL, I'LL START IT OFF.
AND IS, IS THERE A BUSINESS THERE? THERE IS A BUSINESS THERE.
IN FACT, UM, MS. STRINGER ALSO OWNS THAT SITE.
HOW IS, UH, UH, THEIR SEWAGE HOOKED UP THERE? THERE, UM, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
I BELIEVE THEY DO HAVE A SEWER CONNECTOR, UH, CONNECTION FROM THE SITE.
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TO THE EXISTING SITUATION HERE.UM, AS IN THEY, NO IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED UNTIL SUCH A TIME IT GETS REDEVELOPED.
IS THE, IS THE SAME, DOES THE SAME OWNER OWN 1 23 AND ONE 17 THEN? UH, PARTIALLY IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO GETTING, UH, AN EASEMENT WOULD WOULDN'T BE A REAL ISSUE THEN? UM, YEAH, I'M, UH, I THINK BY CONCERN I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT, UH, WHO DESIGNED THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, UH, HOW THAT DESIGN IS, WHAT HAPPENS TO IT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GET CONNECTED TO, UH, TO CITY SEWER.
UH, WHY THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD? I'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
UH, SO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, UM, HAS NOT BEEN PERMITTED AS OF YET.
IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH KENDALL COUNTY AND MEET ALL OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
UM, IT, AS I MENTIONED, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.
UM, THERE'S, WITH THE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, ENGINEERING AND CONTRACTOR WORK GOING INTO FIGURING OUT EACH OF THESE OPTIONS.
UM, SO WE'RE MORE AT A PRELIMINARY STAGE AT THIS TIME OUT OF, UM, UH, CONSIDERATION FOR THOSE COSTS.
UM, SINCE MS. STRINGER IS A SMALL DEVELOPER.
UM, WHAT WAS YOUR SECOND QUESTION? I'M SORRY.
WELL, THAT'S, I I THINK I'LL JUST GO WITH, WITH JUST A JUSTIFY 5,000.
I MEAN, I KNOW IN THE, IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, 5,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY.
BUT IN THE SCHEME OF A TOTAL DEVELOPMENT AND BUILD OUT, THAT'S REALLY NOT VERY MUCH.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF HEADACHES AND A LOT OF POTENTIAL, UH, PROBLEMS FOR POLLUTION OR, OR, OR, UH, LEAKAGE INTO THAT, UH, SO AREA.
SO WHY, WHY WOULD YOU EVEN CONSIDER AN INSIGHT, UH, UH, AN ONSITE SEWAGE FACILITY IF, UH, IF IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DIFFERENCE AND YOU'VE GOT, UH, NO ISSUES PROBABLY GETTING THE, UH, PRIVATE EASEMENT YOU NEED? SO FIRST, THE $20,000 COST ESTIMATE DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NEW SEWER SERVICE, THE, THE EASEMENT, IF THERE'S ANY COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AS WELL AS THE NEW LINE.
SO IT WOULD BE MORE THAN THAT.
SO IT'S MORE THAN A $5,000 DIFFERENCE.
UM, TWO, AS I MENTIONED, OPTION TWO IS CONSIDERED THE BEST PRACTICE FOR LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IN THIS CASE, UH, STAFF FEELS THAT THAT DOES MEET THE UNREASONABLE EXPENDITURE CLAUSE.
UM, AND SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE SEPTIC BECAUSE WE CAN SEE THE SEPTIC AS MORE OF A SHORT-TERM SOLUTION TO HELP THIS SMALL DEVELOPER BE ABLE TO OPEN UP HER BUSINESS.
WHILE LONG TERM, IF WE'RE LOOKING 10 OR 20 YEARS, HOWEVER FAR IN THE FUTURE THAT THAT SEWER LINE IS EXTENDED, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONNECT THEN.
SO LOOKING 30 YEARS OUT AT, FOR BURN, THE SITE HAS SEWER SERVICE AND THAT SEPTIC WOULD BE GONE.
NOW DURING THAT SEPTIC, WHEN IT SWITCHES OVER FROM SEPTIC TO THE SEWER, THEY WOULD AGAIN HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF KINDLE COUNTY.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T REGULATE SEPTIC SYSTEMS HERE IN THE CITY.
UM, MOST PLACES IN TEXAS, THOSE ARE REGULATED BY THE COUNTY.
WHAT, UM, ARE THERE ANY SEP CURRENT SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED FOR BUSINESS? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.
YOU GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME? YEAH.
WHY, WHY FIVE YEARS? THAT SEEMS LIKE IF, UH, IF THIS IS THE LEAST DESIRABLE AS FOR, FOR AN OVERALL WHY FIVE YEARS, WHO CAME UP WITH, WITH FIVE YEARS, AND WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT? SO, FIVE YEARS, UM, IS, IS BASED OFF A DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER VAN WOLFF, UM, ABOUT PUTTING SOME KIND OF TIME RESTRAINT ON THAT.
UM, WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, COMMITTED TO THE FIVE YEARS.
WE CAN MAKE THAT 10 YEARS, SEVEN YEARS, WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE IS A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME TO CONNECT ONCE THAT SEWER LINE IS EXTENDED.
I JUST THOUGHT WE SHOULD PUT SOME KIND OF TIMEFRAME ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MAGIC NUMBER IS.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY THIS BODY CAN HAVE A, A GOOD CRACK AT ESTABLISHING WHAT THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, TWO YEARS, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TIMEFRAME PLACED UPON, I THOUGHT ANYWAY.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE MS. STRINGER'S OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER CASE? CAN, CAN SOMEONE JUST GIMME A, A, A 30,000 FOOT OVERVIEW OF WHAT AN OSF SYSTEM IS, HOW IT'S SET UP AND HOW IT LEECHES OUT AND, AND, UH, UM, I COULD NOT
UM, BUT IN GENERAL, AS A OWNER OF A HOUSE THAT HAS A SEPTIC SYSTEM, SO IT GOES YOUR HOUSE PLUMBING WILL GO TO A SEPTIC TANK THAT HAS
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MULTI COMPARTMENTS IN IT, THAT'LL HELP SEPARATE SOLIDS FROM KIND OF OIL AND FAT THAT FLOATS TO THE TOP AND IT WORKS THROUGH THE BAFFLES.AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT METHODS THEN WHERE IT GETS INTO ANAEROBIC OR AEROBIC SYSTEMS. UM, WHAT'S DRAWN HERE TODAY IS KIND OF THE OLDER SYSTEM THAT MOST OF YOUR OLDER HOMES WOULD HAVE, AS I UNDERSTAND WHERE IT GOES INTO A LEACH FIELD WHERE THEY WOULD GO AND DIG LIKE PERFORATED PIPES IN YOUR YARD AND THEN THE WATER, THE CLEAN WATER WOULD TRICKLE BACK OUT INTO YOUR YARD.
UM, WHAT WE SEE MORE FREQUENTLY IN OUR AREA WITH UH, HIGH CLAY CONTENT IS YOU SEE A LOT OF WITH SPRINKLERS WHERE YOU'LL HAVE A SPRINKLER.
UM, AND IN THAT SYSTEM THERE'S ACTUALLY CHLORINE OR BLEACH GETS POURED IN TO HELP WITH THAT DISINFECTANT BEFORE IT'S SURFACE SPRAYED, UH, IN THE AREA.
BUT IN GENERAL, THOSE COMPARTMENTS HELP CLEAN THE WATER BEFORE IT'S DISPERSED OUT EITHER UNDER THE GROUND OR IN SPRINKLERS ABOVE THE GROUND.
YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, FORTUNATELY I'VE HAD JUST SOME EXPERIENCE WITH BOTH, UH, UH, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND LEACH FIELDS, UH, AND HOMES I'VE LIVED IN JUST LOOKING AT THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, ON THIS DEPICTION HERE, AND I KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN ENGINEERED OR DRAWN OUT, BUT THERE ARE 10 BUILDINGS THERE AND, UH, GOSH, THAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE KIND OF A TYPICAL SY LEACH FIELD SYSTEM FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
NOT 10 COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY SOME THAT USE A LOT OF WATER LIKE, UH, BEAUTY AND, AND UH, HAIRSTYLE.
BUT, UH, AND THE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, THE EXPERIENCE I'VE HAD WITH THEM, AND MAYBE THEY'VE GOTTEN BETTER NOW, BUT, UH, GIVE 'EM FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AND YOU'RE GONNA KNOW IT'S THERE 'CAUSE IT IS GONNA LEAVE SOME MOTOR AND, AND KILL TREES AND, AND STAIN AND, AND UH, AND MESS UP VEGETATION.
SO I'M, I'M GLAD YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT A LIST STATION BEING A BETTER OVERALL SOLUTION.
I THINK IT IS TOO BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S JUST A LOT OF ISSUES THAT COULD COME WITH THIS AND I THINK BY THE TIME IT'S ALL ACTUALLY ENGINEERED OUT AND THE COSTS ARE REALLY COUNTED, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT BIG A DIFFERENCE.
UH, MR. NEW, YOUR HONOR, COME BACK AND HAVE GOT A QUESTION OR COMMENT.
SO BEFORE I DID ANY OF THIS BEFORE THE CITY I WENT TO, UH, WHITE CLOUD AND HIM AND THE COUNTY AND A SEPTIC PEOPLE ALL CAME OUT AND I HAVE A LOT OF PAGES ON THAT AND DUG HOLES, SAW WHAT IT WAS LIKE.
AND THAT IS FOR THEY, HOWEVER MANY BATHROOMS YOU HAVE AND HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE COME IN THE FLUSHES, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S SET UP FOR.
IT IS SET UP FOR EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD BUILD.
UH, AND THEN AGAIN DOWN THE ROAD IF THAT WERE TO BE COLLAPSED AND TAKEN OUT.
I HAVE ANOTHER PROPERTY ON ADLER THAT I'VE DONE THAT WITH, WHERE THEY COME IN AND JUST TAKE IT OUT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DIDN'T GET PUT IN.
IT WASN'T IN THERE, IT WAS OKAY.
SO ONSITE SEWAGE FACILITY, ALL, HE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ON SHOWING ME THEY DUG THE HOLES, TESTED 'EM ALL, THE COUNTY ACTUALLY CAME OUT AND CHECKED THEM FOR HIM BEFORE HE, HE COVERED 'EM.
SO MR. STRING, COULD YOU GIVE A SORT OF SYNOPSIS OF WHAT YOU INTEND TO USE THIS PROPERTY FOR IN THE 10 BUILDINGS THAT ARE SHOWN? MAYBE IT'S 10, MAYBE IT'S SAY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO THE COMMISSION WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS EXPANSION PROJECT IS? YES SIR.
IT'S GONNA BE A BEAUTY, HEALTH AND WELLNESS PARK.
SO IN MY BUILDING RIGHT NOW I HAVE HAIRDRESSERS, MASSAGE FACIALIST, I'VE HEAD NAIL TECHS AND WE NEED MORE SPACE.
'CAUSE THAT'S, I STARTED THERE IN 95 WITH JUST ME CUTTING HAIR.
AND AS I'VE HAD HAD IT OVER THE YEARS, WE JUST, WE KEEP, I'VE, I'VE ADDED ON THREE TIMES TO MY BUILDING.
SO WE'VE DECIDED THE BACK COULD BE FOR YOUR QUIET FOR THE PEOPLE GETTING, LIKE RIGHT NOW THE GIRL THAT'S IN THE BUILDING THAT WAS ALREADY THERE, SHE DOES BIOMAGNETIC HEALING AND RED LIGHT THERAPY.
UH, SO OUR BACK WILL BE MORE OF A PEACEFUL, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL GET KIND OF ZENNED OUT.
YOU'LL HAVE, I'LL PLAN ON HAVING LIKE A YOGA AREA SO IT WON'T BE HIGH.
IT WON'T BE LIKE MY SALON AT ALL.
SO IN MY SALON, THE SEPTIC GOES STRAIGHT OUT TO THE SEPTIC TO THE LITTLE WHERE YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED, THE LITTLE TURN WHERE YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE IF IT'S OVERFLOWED AND THEN IT GOES STRAIGHT OUT TO THE STREET WHERE THE BACK PROPERTY IT COMES UP.
SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE HAIR SALONS AND ALL THE BOWLS THAT YOU NORMALLY WOULD HAVE WITH A HAIR SALON IN THE NEW PROPERTY? NO SIR.
LIKE I'LL HAVE LIKE TWO MASSAGE THERAPISTS IN ONE BUILDING.
I HAVE TWO FACIALISTS IN ONE BUILDING.
AND THE GIRL THAT'S IN THE BUILDING NOW, IT'S
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ONE GIRL.SO AS I BUILD THEM, IT'LL, AND I REALLY PLAN ON DOING LIKE THE ONES THAT DON'T NEED A BATHROOM.
UH, I'LL HAVE A MAN AND WOMEN'S OUTSIDE BATHROOM WHERE THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE BATHROOM BEFORE THEY GO GET THEIR NAILS DONE OR, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HIGH VOLUME.
AND THAT WHEN WADE KYLE DID THAT FOR ME, HE SAID, YOU TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WORKING THERE.
AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WE COME IN EVERY HOUR.
AND THAT'S HOW HE WORKED UP HIS LITTLE THING.
SO I THINK IT, I MEAN I WAS PRETTY THOROUGH BEFORE I WENT TO THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WENT TO THE CITY AND GOT EVERYTHING SO WE COULD DECIDE WHICH WAY TO GO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. STRINGER? FROM ANYONE? MS. FRY? MR. FRIAR FIRST I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE.
UM, I THINK MR. KATE'S ALREADY ASKED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND I'M GIGGLING AS YOU'RE JUST EXPLAINING THIS BECAUSE I WAS AT THE BEAUTY SHOP TWO WEEKS AGO AND THERE WAS A LOT OF BUZZ AMONG THE LADIES IN THERE BECAUSE ONE OF MY VERY GOOD FRIENDS GETS SOME MASSAGES THERE AS WELL.
AND SHE SAID IT'S VERY HARD TO RELAX WHEN ALL THE GIGGLING IS GOING ON BY THOSE GETTING THEIR HAIRCUTS
SO SHE SPENT ANY TIME REALLY LOUD ONES.
I TEXTED ONE GIRL THE OTHER DAY, THOSE WERE MY FRIENDS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND I SAID, I CAN HEAR EVERY WORD YOU'RE SAYING.
SO I'M GIGGLING AS YOU'RE EXPLAINING THAT.
'CAUSE THEY WERE ALL VERY EXCITED THAT THERE'S SOME COMING PLANS FOR THE, THE QUIETNESS IN THE BACK.
AND I WAS IN THERE, THE GIGGLES IN THE FRONT, MY FACE OR FACIAL DONE AND IT WAS LIKE YOU COULD HEAR EVERYTHING IN THERE.
BUT IT IS A CUTE LITTLE HOUSE.
I, I CAN, I CAN SEE WHAT SHE'S DESCRIBING IN THE BACK
COMMISSIONER FEN, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, CAN WE BALLPARK WHAT THE REMAINDER OF THAT WORK IS GONNA ENTAIL OR COST? DO WE KNOW? COULD WE EVEN GET CLOSE FOR THE PRIVATE FOR OPTION ONE? FOR OPTION ONE? UM, ARE WE TALKING A HUNDRED THOUSAND? ARE WE TALKING 8,000? WE WOULD PROBABLY BE TALK, I MEAN DON'T HOLD ME TO IT, BUT SOMEWHERE AROUND THE $10,000.
SO THAT WOULD PUT OPTION ONE AT ABOUT 20 5K.
SO ABOUT, OKAY, SO ABOUT DOUBLE OPTION THREE.
NOW IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS STILL SOME ENGINEERING WORK GOING ON, SOME PLANNING ENGINEERING WORK LOOKING.
YOU SAID THAT ENGINEERS ARE HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE SET.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT SETBACKS, 'CAUSE I'M WILLING TO BUILD WHATEVER I CAN BUILD.
LIKE IT MAY NOT BE 10 BUILDINGS, IT MAY BE EIGHT.
IT, I'VE ALREADY BOUGHT TWO THAT I'M WAITING TO BRING ON TO ATTACH TO THE OTHER ONE.
SO I CAN JUST LIKE SIT FOR A WHILE AND THEN GO THROUGH AND SEE WHAT ALL WE CAN ACTUALLY DO.
AND WITH THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, I DON'T HAVE TO DO EITHER OF THE, ANY OF THE SEPTIC.
'CAUSE THE SEPTICS WORKING FOR THREE BATHROOMS. SO WOULD IT BE PRUDENT TO MAYBE TABLE THIS AND COME BACK TO US WHEN YOU KNOW MORE WHAT, I MEAN WHAT'S THE SENSE OF URGENCY AT THE MOMENT? THERE ISN'T, AND LIKE I WAS EXPLAINING TO FRANK DEAN, I FEEL LIKE I'VE PUT THE BUGGY BEFORE THE HORSE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO BUILD ON TOP OF.
'CAUSE IF I HAVE A SEPTIC, I CAN'T GO NEAR THAT.
IF I DO ANOTHER LIFT STATION, I DON'T WANNA BUILD ON THAT.
SO FOR THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AFTER THE FIRST TWO COME ON THOSE THREE, THEN ALL THOSE ARE GONNA MATTER WITH MY ENGINEER AND IN SEPTIC AT THAT POINT.
SO MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU, THAT WE APPROVED OPTION THREE AND THEN YOU ALL COME BACK SIX MONTHS FROM NOW AND GO, YOU KNOW WHAT OPTION ONE WAS ACTUALLY THE BETTER OPTION.
SO MAYBE AGAIN, TABLING IT AND COMING BACK WHEN YOU KNOW MORE, UM, BECAUSE MAYBE OPTION ONE ISN'T GONNA BE MUCH MORE THAN OPTION THREE AND IT DOESN'T AND IT MAYBE PREVENTS SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD HAVE.
DID YOU SAY THERE WAS AN URGENCY OR THERE WAS NOT AN URGENCY? MS. STRINGER ON THIS, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT AN URGENCY FOR ME TO PUT A SEPTIC IN.
OR PUT ANOTHER LIFT STATION UNTIL PHASE TWO COMES AROUND.
SO YOU'VE GOT SOME TIME IF, IF THAT WAS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION? YES SIR.
TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION WITH YOUR ENGINEERS AND FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANNA DO AND HOW AS, AS LONG AS I KNOW GOING INTO THIS SURE.
ONE OF THOSE, I CAN DO ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA MATTER WHERE I PUT THE BUILDINGS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE OPTION ONE IS PROBABLE AND OPTION THREE IS POSSIBLE.
SO IT SOUNDS, FIRST PROB WAS WHAT IT SOUNDS BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION THAT OPTION ONE IS PROBABLE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, ASSUMING IT DOESN'T GET COST PROHIBITIVE MM-HMM
AND THEN OPTION THREE IS POSSIBLE.
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ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.SO I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THOSE TWO OPTIONS COULD BE IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY ADD, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT IS THE PLATTING PROCESS.
UH, WHICH THIS WOULD IMPACT THAT.
UH, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE SENSE OF URGENCY.
THE DESIRE WAS TO MOVE FORWARD TO SEE IF THIS WAS EVEN AN OPTION BECAUSE IF, IF, UH, ON SITE SEWAGE FACILITIES IS NOT AN OPTION, MOST LIKELY IS RETHINKING THE, UH, WHAT SHE CAN AND CAN'T DO ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT THIS WAS THE FIRST STEP IN THAT REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, CHRISTIAN KATES, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER THOUGHT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT PUTTING YOU IN AN, IN A, UH, IN A BAD POSITION FINANCIALLY DOWN THE ROAD.
IF YOU, IF SHE, AND THIS IS FOR STAFF, IF SHE WENT WITH OPTION ONE AND UH, LIFT STATION INTO A CURRENT SEWER LINE, UH, IF THAT, UH, OTHER LINE WAS BUILT DOWN THE TRAIL AT A FUTURE POINT IN TIME, THERE WOULD BE NO REQUIREMENT FOR HER TO ABANDON THE LIFT STATION AND TIE IN TO THE NEW SEWER LINE.
WOULD THERE? AS LONG AS IT'S FUNCTIONAL? NO, THEY, I MEAN THE ONLY TIME THEY WOULD HAVE TO IS IF IT FAILED.
SO THIS WOULD, IF IF SHE DID OPTION ONE, SHE WOULD BE DONE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD NOT MATTER WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE OTHER SEWER LINE.
THERE WOULD BE NO COST COMING DOWN THE ROAD TRYING TO PICK IT.
BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, UH, CONNECTING TO THAT SEWER LINE IS CROSSING A-A-D-P-Z IN A, IN A PRETTY LOW WATER CROSSING AREA TOO WITH A, WITH A SEWER LINE TO GO THROUGH THERE.
AND SO THAT WOULD PREVENT HAVING TO TEAR, TEAR UP AN AREA THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO KEEP KIND OF PRISTINE DOWN THERE.
AND THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
'CAUSE I SPEND 20,000 OR YOU KNOW, I WANNA AT LEAST BE ABLE TO USE THAT FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS BEFORE I ABANDON IT.
BUT IF, IF OPTION ONE IS THE BEST OPTION, ALL THAT'S, NO, I MEAN NONE OF THAT COMES INTO PLAY.
I GUESS FOR SOME OF US, I'M HEARING FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE TOTAL COST OF ONE WILL BE.
WE KNOW APPARENTLY THE TOTAL COST OF THREE IS ABOUT 15,500.
AND SO I GUESS THEY'RE WANTING A BETTER COMPARISON TO KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THE ALL IN FOR OPTION ONE IS.
BECAUSE FOR YOU, THAT'S GONNA BE A ONE TIME EXPENSE.
IF YOU INCUR THE COST OF ITEM THREE AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, MORE THAN LIKELY YOU'LL HAVE TO CONNECT TO THE CITY, WHICH IS GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE, WHICH MIGHT TAKE THE COST OF IT BEYOND WHAT OPTION ONE MIGHT BE TODAY.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING, WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMISSION? AND I CAN GET, I CAN DO THAT.
I CAN UH, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, MEET WITH THE CITY, DO MY PERMITTING FOR THOSE BUILDINGS, GET THOSE UP AND THEN MEET WITH THE, BECAUSE THAT 15,000 IS JUST THE SEPTIC.
THAT'S NOT CONNECTING AS WELL.
SO I CAN GET CLOSER ON NUMBERS ON BOTH OF THOSE DOWN THE ROAD.
MR. HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU NEED OR YOU WANT TO TAKE TO DO THAT? UH, CAN YOU DO IT WITHIN 30 DAYS SO WE CAN TAKE THIS UP AGAIN NEXT MONTH? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE LONGER? I, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE LONGER.
FOR REASON BEING, I, I, I THINK I'M GONNA MEET WITH THEM AND TRY TO GET MY PERMITTING FOR THOSE BUILDINGS, GET THOSE UP AND RUNNING AND THEN TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND MAKE, 'CAUSE I MET WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL ON WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN GET WITH MY ENGINEERS AND THEN TAKE ALL THAT, FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST AND THEN COME BACK TO Y'ALL WITH, HERE'S A SEPTIC, HERE'S A LIFT STATION.
HERE'S WHERE WE WANNA PUT THINGS.
OKAY, WELL WE CAN TABLE THIS INDEFINITELY UNTIL YOU'RE READY TO GO FORWARD.
IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU'D BE AGREEABLE TO TONIGHT.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
WHETHER WE DO THE PROCEED AS SUGGESTED, UH, WE STILL HAVE TO PLOT THE PROPERTY.
SO WHETHER WE PROCEED AS SUGGESTED AND CONTINUE IT TO DO THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, WE STILL NEED TO PLOT THE PROPERTY.
OH, CAN MY ENGINEER COME UP? ALRIGHT, SO GIVE YOUR YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE, SIR.
I LIVE AT 2 9 1 7 8 ROCK CANYON IN BULVERDE, TEXAS.
BUT I WORK FOR MCIN HOOVER ENGINEERING HERE IN BURNIE.
UM, MY ONE QUESTION WITH THE PLATING REQUIREMENT WOULD JUST BE WHAT TRIGGERS THAT, I GUESS FOR THE BUILDINGS AND IF, IF WE'RE, AND MY OTHER CONCERN WOULD BE IF WE'RE GOING WITH OPTION ONE, WOULD THAT REQUIRE, OR IS THAT CONSIDERED A PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT CONSIDERING IT'S PARTIALLY IN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY?
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GOOD QUESTION.UH, DON'T
UM, WHAT TRIGGERS IT IS IT'S A PORTION OF TWO DIFFERENT LOTS.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PORTION OF TWO DIFFERENT LOTS.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THE TWO DIFFERENT LOTS WE'RE SPEAKING OF THOUGH? SO, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR LOT 16, IT INCLUDES, IT'S ONLY A PORTION OF LOT 16.
UM, I DON'T HAVE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, MR. CRANE, DO WE NEED TO RESOLVE WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS SEWER BEFORE THEY PLA OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE RESOLVED AFTER THE PROPERTY'S BACK? ASSUMING THE, UH, PRIVATE LIFT STATION CAN HANDLE WHAT'S THERE, WE CAN, UH, PROCEED AND, AND ADDRESS THE PLATTING WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, AT TOMORROW OR, OR THE NEXT DAY.
SO MR, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING MR. CRANE IS SAYING IS THAT, UM, YOU CAN PLAT NOW WITHOUT DECIDING WHETHER IT'S OPTION ONE OR THREE, BUT IF, IF OPTION ONE, IF THE CURRENT LIFT STATION DOESN'T SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS THAT MIGHT BE IMPOSED UPON THE SEWER WITH THE ADDITION OF THE TWO NEW BUILDINGS, UH, THEN WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY WE'RE GONNA GO SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
NOW FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE TWO BUILDINGS AREN'T GONNA BE PUTTING MUCH OF A STRAIN ON YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM.
AND WHEN I HAD IT REDONE WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, I MADE SURE HE, HE TOLD ME THIS WILL HANDLE THREE TOILETS, THIS MANY PEOPLE.
SO WHAT I HAVE THERE NOW WILL HOUSE THOSE TWO OKAY.
YOUR ENGINEER WILL HAVE TO ATTEST TO THAT I'M SURE.
SO HE'LL UH, HE'LL PAY CAREFUL ATTENTION TO THAT.
AND, UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED TO REPL IF I'M JUST DOING THAT.
IF I'M GONNA CHANGE EVERYTHING I WOULD NEED TO, THAT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S WHERE I'M CONCERNED.
YEAH, WE, WE CAN MEET WITH YOU RIGHT AFTER THIS AND GO OVER THAT WITH YOU.
THAT'D BE HELPFUL I THINK AS WELL.
YEAH, JUST A POINT OF, UH, CONFUSION FOR ME FROM WHAT MR. CRANE JUST SAID.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE STARTED THIS WAS THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT, UH, PROVIDED COSTS FOR THE LIFT STATION AND FOR THE ONSITE, UH, SEWAGE.
UH, WERE BOTH BASED ON WHAT YOUR BUILD OUT WAS ANTICIPATED BUILD OUT LIKE THAT'S CORRECT.
FIVE ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT? THE ROAD, BECAUSE YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS WAS AN ADEQUATE LIFT STATION, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE LIFT STATION THAT'S PRICED HERE IS AN ADEQUATE LIFT STATION.
SO THE, SO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW IS FOR TWO, UH, SMALL BUILDINGS IN ADDITION TO THIS BUILDING ON THE SITE.
WHAT WE HAVE TO DETERMINE IS IF THIS EXISTING PRIVATE LIFT STATION CAN ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL FLOWS FROM THE OLD, UH, SMALL ENGINE REPAIR AND THESE TWO BUILDINGS, IF IT CAN, WHICH WE'VE BEEN TOLD, IT CAN, THEN WE CAN PROCEED ANY ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS OFF OF THAT WOULD REQUIRE OKAY.
AN UPGRADE EITHER IN THE LIFT STATION OR THE, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM.
SO THAT'S WHERE MY MISUNDERSTANDING WAS.
YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT THE BID PRICE FOR A LIFT STATION ADEQUATE TO, TO UH, HANDLE THE BUILDING.
OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER KATES? NO.
COMMISSIONER BIRD? YEAH, I'VE GOT SOME, BUT I'M TRYING TO ORGANIZE MY THOUGHTS AFTER COMMISSIONER KATES TOOK ALL OUR TIME.
UM, WELL, SO I'VE, I JUST SOLD, I SAY I JUST SOLD, UH, NOT TOO LONG AGO I SOLD A PROPERTY ON OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD THAT WAS, UM, ON A SEPTIC AND UM, KIND OF WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE SAME PAINS THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH NOW AS FAR AS PLATTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT I JUST CLOSED ON A PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY ON A SEPTIC.
AND I REACHED OUT TO THE CITY TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY, UM, POSSIBILITIES OF WHEN SEWAGE WILL EXTEND OUT THERE.
AND I THINK THE, THE ANSWER WAS IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON.
SO I'M STAYING ON AN ONSITE SYSTEM.
AND SO I GUESS MY POINT IS, IS THAT, THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE COMMON THAN NOT IN SOME OF THESE OUTLYING AREAS AROUND THE CITY THAT, UM, THAT AREN'T RECEIVING
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CITY SERVICES.UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOU PAY THE SAME TAX DOLLARS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE PAYS.
AND, AND SO AS A, AS A CITY, I WOULD THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO OUR, OUR, UH, OUR BUSINESSES AND, AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT'S, THAT'S POSSIBLE BUT NOT POSSIBLE.
SO I WENT OUT TO THE PROPERTY THIS MORNING AND, AND LOOKED AT IT AND WAS, HAD VERY SIMILAR THOUGHTS TO COMMISSIONER KATES ABOUT ONSITE SEWAGE OLD NUMBER NINE.
UH, BUT THEN I ALSO HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT LIFT STATIONS.
'CAUSE I'VE OWNED PROPERTIES WITH LIFT STATIONS ON 'EM TOO.
I MEAN, IT'S SOMETIMES IT WORKS, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
UM, SO THEN I KEEP GOING BACK TO WHAT'S FAIR AND REASONABLE TO ALL CONCERNED PARTIES AND, UM, I I KIND OF CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NICE THING ABOUT AN ONSITE SYSTEM IS IT DOES CREATE AN UNDEVELOPABLE BUFFER BETWEEN WHAT'S GOING IN THERE AND THE OLD NUMBER NINE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD ON A LEACH FIELD.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING THAT IT, THAT IT WAS A LOW USE, UH, APPLICATION.
UM, CAN'T READ MY OWN WRITING NOW.
AND THEN I, I WAS ALSO WONDERING IF, IF WE COULD LEAVE SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE CURRENT SYSTEM AND THEN JUST ADD THE NEW BUILDINGS TO THE, TO THE ONSITE SYSTEM TO MINIMIZE ITS USE EVEN MORE.
AND IF THAT WOULD BE A RE A REASONABLE, A FAIR AND REASONABLE OPTION TO MOVE FORWARD.
BECAUSE FINALLY THE LAST THING IS, AND NO DISRESPECT TO COMMISSIONER TO THE SCENE, BUT I ABSOLUTELY DETEST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND TALKING ABOUT IT LATER.
BECAUSE TIME IS THE ONE THING WE CAN NEVER GET BACK.
THAT'S FOR THE PERSON DEVELOPING FOR US, SHOWING UP AND MEETING HERE.
AND, UM, IF THERE'S A REASONABLE AND FAIR SOLUTION THAT DOESN'T CAUSE ANY HARM TO, UH, TO ANYONE, THEN, THEN I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE US TO, TO LOOK FOR IT.
AND THEN THE LAST THING I WAS GONNA ASK, AND I ALREADY SAID THIS WAS GONNA LAST ON THE PUMP STATION IS FOR THIS IS FOR THE ENGINEERS, IS A 45 DEGREE TURN REASONABLE IN A PUMP STATION THE WAY THEY'VE GOT IT DRAWN, UH, I MEAN THE WAY THEY HAVE IT DRAWN, THE THE 45 DEGREE ANGLE WOULD PROBABLY BE A Y FITTING, YOU KNOW, A SEWER Y FITTING WHERE IT'S, IT, IT MAKES A, IT MAKES A, OR WELL ARE YOU TALKING THE 90 DEGREE TURN MAYBE? MM-HMM
THEY MAKE IT IN, THEY MAKE IT WHERE IT WORKS WITH A PLUMBING CODE.
WHICH I JUST HAD TO REPLACE, REPLACE ONE IN COLORADO THAT DIDN'T WORK
AND MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE IS THE LINE COMING UNDERNEATH THE STREET WOULD BE A TYPICAL CITY OF BERNIE SEWER LATERAL THAT WE ARE JUST TYING INTO SO IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, MEET THE STANDARDS OF CITY UTILITIES.
SO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M CONVINCED THAT GOING TO A LIFT STATION, UM, IS ANY BETTER THAN ULTIMATELY GETTING IT TO A LINE THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE AT SOME REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME AS WE DEVELOP THE CITY, UH, FOR OUR CITIZENS AND, AND FOR OUR BUSINESS OWNERS.
AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUST SEEM THAT IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO ALLOW A, AN ONSITE SYSTEM FOR A PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL WE FULFILL THAT OBLIGATION OF EXTENDING THE LINE AS A CITY AND OFFERING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR CITY SERVICES TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR CITIZENS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
COMMISSIONER LEMOYNE, ANY THOUGHTS? UM, I JUST HAVE ONE I'LL ADD BECAUSE I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER BIRD HAS TOUCHED ON SOMETHING.
IT'S HARD DEFY GRAVITY, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT A LIFT STATION DOES, RIGHT.
I MEAN, UM, SIMILAR TO, TO COMMISSIONER BYRD'S DILEMMA, WE, UH, WE HAD A NEW BUILDING CONSTRUCTED ON OUR PROPERTY IN FREDERICKSBURG WITHIN 50 FEET OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE WITH A SEPTIC, BUT IT WAS DOWNHILL FROM THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE.
AND RATHER THAN TAP INTO THAT EXISTING SEPTIC WITH A LIFT STATION, WE OPTED TO PUT A WHOLE NEW SEPTIC IN JUST FOR THAT SEPARATE BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ONLY 25, 35 FEET AWAY.
UM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEFY GRAVITY, WHICH GENERALLY DOESN'T TURN OUT TOO WELL.
SO THERE IS SOME, THERE IS SOME VALUE COMMISSIONER BIRD TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
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I'M CURIOUS, UM, AND MAYBE MR, YOU CAN SHARE SOME LIGHT ON THIS.HAVE YOU HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THE EXISTING LIFT STATION IN TERMS OF IT BEING FUNCTIONING PROPERLY OR, OR EASE OF MAINTENANCE? I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN SO FAR SINCE I HAD IT REDONE AND FIXED.
BUT WHEN I, WHEN I BOUGHT THE BUILDING, YOU COULD TELL IT HADN'T BEEN USED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS NO GOOD AT ALL.
AND MY PLUMBER CAME OUT, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, PUT A FEW THINGS IN, FIXED IT AND IT'S BEEN AWESOME.
UH, AND LIKE HE SAID, YOU CAN HANDLE SO MANY FLUSHES AND THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT.
SO I'M REALLY GOOD RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN AS WE ENGINEER AROUND IT AND SEE WHAT ALL I CAN ADD AND WHAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE WITH FIRE MARSHAL AND Y'ALL'S SETBACKS, THEN WE WOULD GO TO ANOTHER LIFT STATION OR THE ONSITE SEPTIC.
WITH ALL DUE DEFERENCE TO COMMISSIONER BIRD'S COMMENT ABOUT TACKLING AT THE MOMENT, UM, TIME SOMETIMES DOES PRESENT OURSELVES WITH MORE INFORMATION AND BETTER INFORMATION ABLE TO MAKE A BETTER DECISION.
IT FROM, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S AN URGENCY TO THIS.
THE TWO NEW BUILDINGS LIKELY CAN GO THROUGH YOUR, YOUR, UH, GLORIOUS LIFT STATION THAT'S BEEN REWORKED AND REVAMPED.
UM, AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN BE, YOU CAN, YOUR ENGINEER CAN BE PUTTING SOME FINER POINTS AND PENCILING IN SOME, SOME MORE SPECIFIC NUMBERS ABOUT HOW, HOW OPTIONS ONE AND THREE DIFFER IN TERMS OF COST.
AND THEN I THINK WE'LL ALL HAVE BETTER INFORMATION UPON WHICH TO MAKE A DECISION THAT'S REASONABLE.
CLEARLY NO ONE IS SUGGESTING YOU'VE GOTTA SPEND THE $175,000 NOW TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SERVICE SYSTEM.
THAT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE, I THINK EVERYBODY'S ESTIMATION.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND THE BETTER ALTERNATE SOLUTION TO THAT, UM, WORKING WITH YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I, I HATE TO DO THIS MR. CASE, I HATE TO DO THIS.
I'M SORRY,
UH, DO YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT IF YOU COULD HANDLE THIS WITH A LEACH FIELD OR WOULD IT HAVE TO BE AN AEROBIC SYSTEM? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON ME AS TO WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTED.
IT IT, ACCORDING TO MY GUY, OKAY.
I'M NOT A LICENSED PLUMBER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT I BELIEVE THEY COULD PROBABLY DO EITHER WAY MAYBE.
UM, BUT I, YEAH, I'M NOT A, I DON'T DESIGN SEPTIC SYSTEMS ON A DAILY BASIS.
SO IF I, I, I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BYRD.
I DON'T LIKE KICKING CANS DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT, UH, IF THE CAN IS KICKED, CAN THAT BE A QUESTION THAT IS ANSWERED DEFINITIVELY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE LEACH FIELD OR AN AEROBIC SYSTEM IF YOU COME BACK? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU IT WOULD BE A LEACH FIELD.
'CAUSE WHEN I WENT THROUGH WADE CLOUD, HE, 'CAUSE I DON'T LIKE AEROBICS, SO I SAID WHEN I START, YOU MAKE SURE I CAN DO THIS AND DO IT RIGHT OR I DON'T WANNA DO IT.
YOUR QUESTION, I, I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANOTHER WORD.
YOU SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR
UM, WELL I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, IF SOMEONE WILL MAKE ONE AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED ACCORDINGLY.
SO WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I, I HAVE TO CASE FOR NOW HOW YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA SEND YES.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO, UH, POSTPONE IT, UM, INDEFINITELY.
DOES THAT REQUIRE A MOTION? UH, IT, IT WOULD I THINK YES.
TO TABLE IT FOR A A PERIOD OF TIME.
IS IS THAT A MOTION TO BE CONSIDERED? IS, I MEAN IS THAT STILL WHERE YOU ARE? SAY THAT AGAIN SIR.
WOULD YOU SAY, SO YOU DIDN'T YELL AT ME.
UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TABLING THIS, UH, MATTER MS. STRINGER, UM, WITH THE PRESUMPTION THAT YOU CAN DO THE TWO NEW BUILDINGS WITH THE LIFT STATION YOU'VE GOT.
BUT GOING BACK AND GETTING SOME BETTER INFORMATION ABOUT THE COST FIGURES FOR OPTIONS ONE AND THREE AND THEN COMING BACK TO US, I WOULDN'T MIND DOING THAT AT ALL.
THAT WAY WE COULD HAVE THE BUILDINGS DRAWN OUT THE SEPTIC VERSUS THE LIFT STATION AND THAT WAY I WOULD, PLUS I WOULD KNOW EXACTLY AND I'VE GONE THROUGH WHATEVER I NEED TO DO.
WHEN YOU PUT THAT INTO A MOTION THAT, THAT IT'D BE TABLED UNTIL MS. STRINGER COMES BACK TO US AND SAYS SHE'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS DETERMINATION.
I THINK THAT'S MADE BY COMMISSIONER KATES.
IS THAT YOUR MOTION, SIR? YES.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BYRD.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE AND WE'LL REVEAL THE RESULTS AND THE MOTION TO TABLE HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
SO GOOD NEWS, MS. STRINGER, YOUR TAKEAWAY IS WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK YOU TO SPEND $175,000 TO CONNECT TO THE CITY SEWER.
UM, JUST COME BACK TO US WHEN YOU'RE READY WITH MORE INFORMATION AND, AND BETTER TUNED TO NUMBERS ON OPTIONS ONE AND THREE AND THEN WE'LL WORK WITH YOU TO DETERMINE WHAT'S BEST.
WE APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR INVESTMENT AND WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US.
[6.A. Discuss a potential request for a special use permit (SUP) to allow a drive-thru in SoBo District located at Commons at Menger Creek.]
NEXT UP I BELIEVE IS ITEM SIX A.UM, MS. LINDER, ARE YOU TAKING THIS OR IS MS.
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RIGO IS TAKING THIS? UH, I WILL BE DOING THE INTRODUCTION TO IT, YES.OR NATHAN, SINCE HE JUST GOT A OH, OKAY.
THIS IS TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A DRIVE THROUGH IN SOBO DISTRICT LOCATED AT COMMONS AT ME CREEK.
SO, UM, AS YOU SAID, THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR A POTENTIAL REQUEST.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN OFFICIAL, UM, APPLICATION AT THIS TIME.
UM, HOWEVER, THE DEVELOPER HAS REACHED OUT WANTING TO GET MORE INPUT FROM THE ENTIRE P AND Z, UM, ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF PUTTING A DRIVE-THROUGH IN THERE.
SO TONIGHT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, UH, I I'M GONNA DO AN INTRODUCTION TO THE PROPERTY, UM, TALK ABOUT THE FLUME A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN SHOW YOU A SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN AND RENDERINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER.
SO THIS ITEM ALIGNS WITH OUR STRATEGY MAP BY OFFERING QUALITY CUSTOMER EXPERIENCES AND COLLABORATING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO ENHANCE QUALITY OF LIFE.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE AREA WE ARE LOOKING AT.
IT IS, UM, COMMONS, UH, I'M SORRY, UM, MANGER COMMONS, EXCUSE ME,
THIS IS MAINE AND THIS IS OLD SAN ANTONIO.
UM, AND THIS IS GALLANT FOX, UM, CUL-DE-SAC IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THIS IS AN AUTO ORIENTED COMMERCIAL AREA.
THE BROADER AREA IS HOWEVER, WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR ZONING MAP, IT IS ZONED C TWO TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND IS WITHIN, UM, THE SOBO OVERLAY DISTRICT.
HERE IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS MAP.
THERE IS NO DPZ ON THE PROPERTY, HOWEVER IT IS WITHIN THE S FLOODPLAIN.
UM, JUST A LITTLE DISCLAIMER, THE SITE PLAN IS FOR P AND Z DISCUSSION ONLY.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, NO APPLICATION'S BEEN SUBMITTED AND THIS PLAN HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED FOR FULL COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE REGULATION.
UM, WHEN WE COME WITH AN ACTUAL SUP, UH, THE SITE PLAN GOES FOR A FULL REVIEW ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS.
SO IF THIS SITE LOOKS A LITTLE FAMILIAR, THAT'S BECAUSE THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE CHRISTIAN BROTHERS, UM, SUP PROPOSAL WAS.
SO AS YOU'RE PERUSING IT, I WILL GO AHEAD AND INVITE THE DEVELOPER, UM, AND THEIR TEAM TO COME ON DOWN.
PLEASE COME FORWARD AND IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
GOOD EVENING, MARK SANTOS, LJA, ENGINEERING 98 30 ADE 7 8 1 5 4.
PIPER GLEN DRIVE IN B CAVE AND I'M THE DEVELOPER.
UH, I'M THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH KIMLEY HORN, UH, 1302 ASTOR PLACE, AUSTIN, TEXAS.
AND LOTS OF ENGINEERING POWER HERE THIS EVENING.
ALRIGHT, WHO'S GONNA BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF YOUR GROUP? UM, WE KIND OF GOT SEGUED IN.
UM, SO IN SUPPORT, THE AREA IS HERF ROAD, MANGER CREEK, NORTH SIDE OF HERF ROAD.
UM, IT IS A PARCEL OUT OF UNIT 11.
UM, IT IS THE SAME CHRISTIAN BROTHERS LOT FROM THE PREVIOUS SUP UM, EFFORT.
OKAY, SO I'M REVEALING A LITTLE TOO MUCH HERE.
SO THIS IS A DATED FLOODPLAIN.
UM, LJA IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON A KMAR STUDY, UH, WHERE WE RESTRICT THE FLOODPLAIN TO THE SOUTH OF HERF ROAD.
SO THERE IS NO FLOODPLAIN IN THIS AREA WHERE THIS PARTICULAR LOT IS.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, AND WE STILL ARE GOING THROUGH THAT EFFORT WITH, UM, FEMA.
AM I GOING BACKWARDS? ALL RIGHT, SO WE GOT THE SITE PLAN HERE.
UM, SO THE SUBJECT IS THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO, UH, DRIVE THROUGH IS NOT ALLOWED BY RIGHT, UM, FOR THIS ZONE, BUT IT CAN BE ALLOWED THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, IT IS TO BE PROPOSED A STARBUCKS WITH SOME RETAIL SPACE.
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IS GONNA BE TO THE REAR AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS DISCUSSION.UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER ISSUES THAT WE DID WANNA BRING UP.
THAT'S WHY KIMBERLY HORN TRAFFIC IS HERE.
UM, WE DID WANT TO PROPOSE TO SHIFT THIS DRIVEWAY ACCESS OVER TO THE CENTER OF THE LOT LINE FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
UM, AS OF NOW WE HAVE IT APPROVED, UH, ABOUT A 50 FEET TO THE LEFT.
UM, AND WE ARE RIGHT THERE AT APPROVAL.
I JUST NEED TO SUBMIT THE CONSTRUCTION RELEASE PERMIT ON THAT.
UM, THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE TOPIC THAT YOU GUYS DECIDE ON AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEWS WITH THE CITY.
UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DID WANT TO MENTION.
UM, SO YEAH, SO STARBUCKS DRIVE THROUGH, UM, AND WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IS SCREEN IT ALL.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE MEDIUM TO LARGE TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE TO THE REAR, MEDIUM TO LARGE SHRUBBERY TO THE REAR.
UH, WE HAVE THE BUILDING FACADE TO THE FRONT SO ALL THE, ALL THE PARKING AND THE ACTUAL DRIVE THROUGH WILL BE SCREENED HEAVILY FROM HERF ROAD, FROM THE FRONT OUT OF VIEW AND ALSO FROM THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE REAR.
SO THAT EYESORE WON'T, WON'T REALLY BE AN EYESORE.
IT'S IT'S GONNA BE SCREENED, NATURAL SHRUBBERY ORGANIC.
IT'S GONNA HAVE A REAL NICE PLEASANT VIEW FROM THE PASSING STREET AND FROM THE REAR.
WE FEEL IT'S GONNA PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, THE WALKABILITY AND, AND THE, THE STREET, THE, THE AUTO ORIENTED AND, AND NIGHTLIFE AND OUTDOOR EATERY VISION THAT WE HAD FOR THIS AREA, UM, IN SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR.
UM, SO YES, SO THIS IS GONNA BE LOT 11 A AND 11 B.
AND IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY, WE IF IF APPROVED WE WOULD GO INTO A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT GOING FOR BOTH LOTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO DO.
UM, I THINK THE STARBUCKS WOULD GO FIRST.
WE'D FOLLOW SHORTLY WITH THE SECOND.
SO IT'S GONNA BE DRIVE THROUGH ON EACH LOT.
UM, THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF REALLY, REALLY NICE 3D RENDERING OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A POCKET PARK HERE IN THE BACK, UH, WITH BENCH SEATING.
WE'VE GOT A FOUNTAIN, UM, WE HAVE OUTDOOR PATIO SEATING.
SO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS GONNA BE LIKELY A CHIPOTLE WITH A DRIVE THROUGH, NOT A CHIPOTLE.
I'M GOING, UM, UM, OFF OF TAB.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR A NEW USER.
NEW USER POTENTIALLY STILL THE SAME, UH, DRIVE THROUGH AS WELL WITH SOME RETAIL.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST A BROAD OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
WE THINK IT'S, WE THINK IT'S RIGHT ON POINT WITH THE VISION FOR THIS AREA.
JUST SOME MORE RENDERINGS FROM THE FRONT.
UH, THE BUILDING FACADE OF THE STARBUCKS, LITTLE BIT ZOOMED OUT, REAL ORGANIC LOOK.
LOT OF GREENERY, LOT OF SHRUBBERY, LOT OF LANDSCAPING.
UM, WE THINK IT'S ON POINT WITH THE VISION FOR THIS AREA.
IF WE COULD JUST GET A GOOD VIBE, A GOOD FEEL FOR WHAT YOU GUYS TAKE WOULD BE ON A DRIVE-THROUGH.
AND WE UNDERSTOOD THAT A-H-T-O-S-U-P WAS JUST APPROVED FOR THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, OF HERF ROAD.
SO I, I BELIEVE THAT WAS JUST PASSED.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEATING, GREAT VIEWS, RELAXING, TALKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT IN THIS AREA AND OUR INVESTOR HERE IS HOPING TO GET SUPPORT ON A DRIVE THROUGH FOR THIS AREA, AND WE JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT Y'ALL'S TAKE IS ON THAT.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF, MS. SLENDER, ANYTHING ELSE FROM CITY STAFF, MR. CRANE, ANYTHING? UH, NO.
UH, FIRST I APPLAUD YOU FOR COMING, UM, PUTTING THE HORSE BEFORE THE CART ON THIS, UM, TO GET OUR SENSE.
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UM, I WILL JUST ASK IF, DO YOU HAVE AN EXECUTED LOI WITH STARBUCKS? I I DO.UM, THAT STARBUCKS VISION THAT YOU SHOWED, I, I THINK PERSONALLY IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN SOBO.
AND I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT LOI, BECAUSE I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SORT OF GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE COMMISSION THAT, HEY, THAT THE SUP LOOKS VERY FAVORABLE FOR A STARBUCKS, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT GETS FLIPPED TO A JACK IN THE BOX.
NOW JACK IN THE BOX, I LIKE JACK IN THE BOX
UM, IN FACT, I'VE DRESSED UP AS JACK BUT'S A LONG STORY.
BUT IN ANY CASE, UM, THAT WOULDN'T BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ENVISION FOR SOBO STARBUCKS, I THINK IS, BUT I'M, IN MY OPINION, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THAT POINT AS WELL.
MR. KATES, I'M AFRAID TO SAY ANYTHING.
NO, JUST YOU GOT, I JUST GAVE YOU THE FLOOR WITH MR. KATES.
UH, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
I THINK YOU HAVE, UH, COME FORTH WITH A VISION THAT, UH, WE'VE TRIED TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, STATE THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS FOR THIS.
ONE THING THAT I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH, AND I APPLAUD YOU ALL, THE STACKING, IS FROM THE REAR AWAY FROM HERF, UH, AS A, UH, BERNIE RESIDENT WHO HAS TO GO BUY THE CURRENT STARBUCKS EVERY TIME I GO HOME.
BUT I REALLY LIKE THE WAY YOU HAVE ALL THE STACKING COMING FROM THE REAR AWAY FROM HERF AND, AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD DESIGN AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT.
UH, I'VE GOT NOTHING BUT PRAISE FOR THIS GUYS.
UM, I THINK IF WE GO BACK TO THAT OTHER PICTURE WE WERE JUST ON NO, THAT ONE THERE.
SO IT WAS, SO STARBUCKS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, HAS OVER 30% MARKET SHARE, WHICH, UM, AND YOU HAVE A CURB CUT ON HERF ROAD.
IS THERE ALSO A DRIVE GOING OUT THE BACK TO THAT CUL-DE-SAC DOWN BY THE VETERINARY? THERE IS.
SO WITH THE S SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, UH, WITH APPROVAL, WE WILL PROPOSE TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING GALLANT FOX CUL-DE-SAC TO THE EAST, BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, RIGHT.
MR. LEMO, I LIKE THE, I LIKE THIS VISION.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION, AND THIS MAY BE FOR THE CITY, BUT IS THERE A SIDEWALK, ISN'T THERE AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE OF HERF? AND WOULD THAT REMAIN, OH, MS. LEONARD, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S A OH, OKAY.
THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T SHOW IT HERE, BUT JUST, UM, SO IF WE TAKE A LITTLE LOOK BACK HERE AT THE VICINITY, UM, THERE IS A SIDEWALK CURRENTLY THERE.
THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN IT.
OF COURSE, SOBO IS SUPPOSED TO BE A, A WALKABLE AREA, SO THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN, UM, IN FACT, ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, IF DURING CONSTRUCTION A SIDEWALK IS DAMAGED, THEY WOULD NEED TO REPAIR IT.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER MO? COMMISSIONER FERRARE.
I SAT ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND WE HAD MANY, MANY, MANY MEETINGS AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME TOGETHER AND TALKED A LOT ABOUT WHAT WE FELT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE THERE THAN CHRISTIAN BROTHERS.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS NAILED IT.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR TAKING ALL THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
YEAH, AESTHETICALLY, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
UM, SO KUDOS TO THE DESIGNERS.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST REALLY, REALLY PRETTY.
UM, IN TERMS OF A DRIVE-THROUGH, I KNOW THAT ONLY BECAUSE I, I LIKE MY OCCASIONAL TURKEY ORIGINAL SCHLOTZKY'S.
I KNOW THERE, THERE'S A DRIVE THROUGH PROBABLY ABOUT A HUNDRED YARDS, UM, TOWARDS MAIN STREET ON THERE.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A TRAFFIC PROBLEM THERE.
UM, BUT I KNOW STARBUCKS IS A WHOLE LOT MORE POPULAR THAN SCHLOTZKY'S.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S ROOM FOR A QUEUE OF 11 VEHICLES.
MAYBE A QUESTION FOR THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WAS THAT ENVISIONED WITH PARTNERSHIP OF STARBUCKS, UM, THEIR, UM, I GUESS, UM, CAPACITY, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY PROJECT WOULD BE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES AND THE DRIVE THROUGH AT THE, AT THE BUSIEST TIME OF DAY.
I'LL, I'LL LEAD OFF WITH THE EASY QUESTION AND SEE IF, IF, UH, IF BEN HAS ANY MORE TO ADD TO IT, BUT I'M CURRENTLY DEVELOPING A STARBUCKS IN B CAVE RIGHT NOW, AND IT SHOULD BE DONE ON THE 17TH, SO WE'RE ALMOST READY TO OPEN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC WAS A, A BIG DISCUSSION AND THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT IT'D BE GOOD IF BEN ATTENDED TONIGHT IN CASE THOSE QUESTIONS CAME UP.
BUT WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE DID ON THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR, WHAT WAS SURPRISING IS THAT, THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO STOP IN AND GET THE COFFEE ARE, ARE POPPING IN ON THE WAY TO SOMEWHERE THEY'RE ALREADY GOING.
MEANING THAT IT WASN'T A HUGE NEW TRAFFIC GENERATOR, IT WAS JUST MERELY PEOPLE POPPING IN AND GETTING COFFEE ON THE WAY TO WORK, OR THE WAY TO, OR, OR BACK FROM DROPPING THEIR KIDS OFF FROM SCHOOL WHEREVER THEY WERE ALREADY PLANNING ON GOING.
UM, OF COURSE THERE WILL BE SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL LEAVE THEIR HOUSE, GO GET THEIR COFFEE AND GO BACK HOME, BUT IN MOST SITUATIONS IT'S ALREADY TRAFFIC THAT'S
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GOING PAST, UM, ON HERFF ROAD ALREADY.UM, AS FAR AS THE DRIVE, DRIVE-THROUGH, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME INTERESTING STUDIES THAT ALSO CAME FROM, FROM STARBUCKS.
THIS DATA IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW ARE ALSO DOING THE MOBILE PICKUP ORDER.
AND IF YOU SEE ON THE THE SITE PLAN, WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE, UH, SIX SPOTS, UH, AT THE FRONT ACROSS FROM THE PATIO.
AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL DO IS THEY'LL ACTUALLY, THEY'LL ORDER THEIR, THEIR STARBUCKS ON THEIR APP, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR FAVORITES AND THEY'LL JUST CLICK IT WHEN THEY'RE FIVE MINUTES OUT AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY PULL INTO THE MOBILE PICKUP AND THEY'LL WALK IN AND GRAB IT OFF THE SHELF.
AND WE'RE FINDING THAT THAT IS BECOMING, UH, VERY POPULAR BECAUSE PEOPLE ACTUALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY, IN A LOT OF CASES, IT'S FASTER THAN, THAN WAITING IN THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH LINE BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE YOU WAITING FOR LEMON CARS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PLACE YOUR ORDER AND IF TO MAKE IT AND YOU PICK IT UP SO IT'S FASTER.
BUT IT ALSO CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF MOMENTS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SO PEOPLE CAN POP IN, MAYBE SAY HI TO A COUPLE FRIENDS OR NEIGHBORS, UH, IN AND OUT, AND, UH, GET A LITTLE BIT OF THAT SOCIAL INTERACTION, GET BACK TO THE CAR AND LEAVE.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T VISUALLY SHOW IT, I MEAN, YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 16 SPOTS OF DRIVE THROUGH PICKUP, UH, ON HERE VERSUS PEOPLE PARKING AND GOING IN.
UM, AND SO THAT'S REALLY, UM, SOMETHING TO, TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE OVERALL IMPACT OF, OF THE DRIVE THROUGH OR PICKUP.
UM, AND THEN, UM, SO, BUT FROM THE OVERALL, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT, UM, BEN, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS WAS REALLY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN, HOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SORT OF ADDING TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN THE MASTER, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO JUSTIN TOUCHED ON A LOT OF THE GOOD POINTS THAT STOLE MY POINTS THERE.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE LIKE THOSE ONES.
I THINK ANOTHER, A FEW THINGS BEFORE I GET TO THAT, THAT WORKS IN THIS SITE'S, UM, FAVORS THAT WE DO WANT THIS TO BE WALKABLE, RIGHT? THERE'S APARTMENT COM COMPLEXES BEHIND IT.
I THINK SOME PEOPLE WILL WALK TO GET THEIR COFFEE, WHICH MAKES THE SITE EVEN BETTER, UM, FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.
AND THEN THE OTHER POINT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE USERS THAT ARE COMING IN HERE, STARBUCKS IS LIKELY GONNA BE THE ONLY TRAFFIC GENERATOR THAT'S THERE IN THE MORNING, SO THEY'LL HAVE MORE ROOM.
YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, IF I SEE A 11 CAR DRIVE THROUGH LINE, I'M PROBABLY GONNA PARK AND GO INSIDE OR GET MY APP OUT AND ORDER.
THERE'S GONNA BE AMPLE PARKING AT THAT TIME BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT CHIPOTLE ANYMORE, BUT WHATEVER, UM, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A LUNCH SPOT THAT COMES IN THERE AND STARBUCKS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, FIZZLED OUT BY THAT TIME.
UM, AND, AND EVEN THE RETAIL, A LOT OF THE RETAIL PROBABLY WON'T OPEN TILL NINE OR 10 IN THE MORNING MM-HMM
AND BY THEN YOUR, YOUR BIG TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, MORNING COFFEE ROUTE SHOULD BE DONE.
IT'S, IT'S, AND SO IT'S, IT'S A GOOD BALANCE OF YEAH.
OF THE HIGH IMPACT OF TRAFFIC FLOW.
IT'S VERY THOUGHTFUL PLANNING.
THEY'RE GONNA INTERACT VERY NICELY TOGETHER AND USE EACH OTHER'S LOTS AND, YOU KNOW, NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE A BUNCH OF EMPTY PARKING SPOTS ALL DAY LONG, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WILL, WILL HELP THAT.
UM, YOU WANT A SPOT AVAILABLE, BUT YOU DON'T WANT 90% OF THE SPOTS AVAILABLE ON THE SIDE.
THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD SEGUE INTO THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK A BIT ABOUT WITH, WITH PLANNING.
UH, YOU KNOW, MARK TOUCHED ON, OBVIOUSLY WE WE'RE HERE, THE BIG DISCUSSION ITEM'S, SUP, UM, AND THE SECOND ONE IS OUR ENTRANCE TO REALLY MAXIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENT EFFICIENCY AND FUNCTIONALITY OF THESE SITES.
IT, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO HAVE THAT ENTRY COME IN BETWEEN THE TWO LOCKS.
HYPOTHETICALLY, IF IT CAME TO THE, TO THE, TO THE WEST WHERE CURRENTLY PLANNED, UM, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THE ADDITIONAL RETAIL WITH THE STARBUCKS.
I'D LOSE THE SEVEN PARKING SPACES IN THE FRONT, WE'D LOSE THE, THE SPOTS WITH THE HANDICAP, I'D LOSE THE WHOLE ROW OF 10, STARBUCKS WOULD HAVE BECOME A STANDALONE, AND NOW OF A SUDDEN YOU LOSE THAT, UH, MORE OF THAT DYNAMIC, UM, UM, COMMUNITY BUSY ENGAGEMENT, NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL WHERE YOU CAN GET PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA MEET AND BUMP AND GATHER.
AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE, THE VISION FOR BERNIE.
AND SO WITH, WITH STARBUCKS, THEIR PATIO SPACE, IT'S LITERALLY THREE TIMES BIGGER THAN WHAT THEY REQUIRE, AND THAT'S ON PURPOSE.
UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THE SPACE WHERE IF THE WEATHER'S NICE, PEOPLE CAN HANG OUT THERE, MEET PEOPLE FOR COFFEE, FOR A MEETING, MEET FRIENDS OR NEIGHBORS, HAVE A BUSINESS MEETING THERE, AND IT CAN BE PART OF THAT SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT.
AND WE'RE REPLICATING THE SAME ON THE OTHER SIDE, IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE PATIO OF THE RESTAURANT USE.
SO WE WANNA BRING A USER IN THERE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS YET, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, FAST CASUAL, THAT'S NICE, NICER THAN JACK IN THE BOX.
THIS IS AN ASSET THAT, THAT I PLAN TO OWN LONG TERM.
AND SO I WANT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE NICE AND WE CAN BE PROUD OF, AND IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING REALLY EXCITING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A, A PATIO SPACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN HANG OUT, SOCIALIZE, UH, PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN WALK, YOU KNOW, OR THERE'S ALREADY APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH.
THE MASTER PLAN IS FOR ANOTHER APARTMENT COMMUNITY TO THE SOUTH.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S OVER 600 UNITS THAT CAN WALK RIGHT TO THIS FACILITY FOR LUNCH OR COFFEE OR THE RETAIL USE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
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TO COME FULL CIRCLE WITH THAT.UM, THE THIRD THING THAT I THINK IS, UH, KIND OF AN IDEA THAT WE HAVE, THAT I THINK EVERYONE HOPEFULLY IS EQUALLY AS EXCITING TO GET ON BOARD WITH, IS THE PROPOSAL OF PUTTING PARKING SPOTS BEHIND THE CONNECTING ROADS OF THESE CUL-DE-SACS.
AND THE POINT OF THAT WOULD BE WE WOULD DESIGNATE THOSE AS EMPLOYEE PARKING.
NOW EMPLOYEES FOR MOST OF THESE RETAIL AND THE RESTAURANT AND STARBUCKS, THEY WILL SHOW UP IN THE MORNING.
THE CAR'S GONNA SIT THERE ALL DAY, AND THEN THEY LEAVE AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE STUDIES ON THESE SORT OF COMMUNITY RETAIL CENTERS.
WE WANT, UH, IT TO FEEL VIBRANT, UH, ENGAGING AND, AND FUN AND EASY FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO POP IN, HANG OUT, FIND THEIR PARKING SPOT, BE COMFORTABLE AND LEAVE WHEN THEY WANT.
AND IF IT'S CLUTTERED UP WITH 14, 15 EMPLOYEES PARKED, YOU KNOW, CARS, IT JUST MAKES IT THAT MUCH HARDER TO NOW YOU'RE PULLING IN, THERE'S A CAR BEHIND YOU, YOU CAN'T BACK UP, YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND YOUR SPOT.
AND SO WE JUST THOUGHT FROM A FUNCTIONAL STANDPOINT, LET'S PUT THOSE CARS THERE, THEY CAN PARK, IT FREES UP THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT TO, TO REALLY MAKE IT A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR THE USER.
AND THEN THOSE EMPLOYEE CARS ARE THERE.
AND I THINK THERE'S A, A FIVE FOOT SORT OF VARIANCE THAT WE, WE WOULD NEED FOR THAT TO WORK.
BUT IN RETURN, WE WOULD DO QUITE A BIT.
UH, ONE, WHICH MARK TOUCHED ON AS WE DO A REALLY NICE HEAVY LANDSCAPE BUFFER, WE'LL PUT IN ANY ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS THAT ARE NEEDED AND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY COMMITTING TO IS DOING A COMMUNITY POCKET PARK.
I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE OWNER OF THE, THE LAND THAT I'M BUYING THIS FROM, WHO ALSO OWNS THE LOT TO THE EAST, AND HE'S ALSO COMMITTED TO DOING THE MIRROR IMAGE OF THAT ON THE, THE NEIGHBORING LOT.
SO THAT WOULD BE DOUBLE THE SIZE OF WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE.
AND I, YOU KNOW, AFTER HAVING, UM, TALKS WITH, WITH NATHAN AND THE REST OF THE TEAM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT IN WHATEVER THE CITY VISION'S THERE.
IF IT'S, UH, TREES AND BENCHES OR IF IT'S A WATER FEATURE OR IF IT'S ART OR EVEN A, A KIDS' PLAYGROUND, WHATEVER THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WE WILL INVEST THAT INTO THAT POCKET PARK.
AND SO, AGAIN, SO WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE SPACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN NOT ONLY COME GET COFFEE OR GET SOMEBODY TO EAT OR GET SOME SOMETHING DONE WITH THE RETAIL, WHETHER IT'S HAIR OR, OR, OR ANY SERVICES, BUT THEN MAYBE HANG OUT A LITTLE LONGER AND THEY CAN GO TO THE POCKET PARK, RELAX, MAYBE EAT THEIR LUNCH THERE, AND PEOPLE ARE WALKING THEIR DOGS AND IT CAN BECOME, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE OF AN ENGAGING SPACE THAN JUST THE TYPICAL RETAIL THAT YOU SEE IN MOST SUBURBIA.
UM, SO THOSE WERE THE, THE THREE THINGS THAT I THINK WE REALLY WANT TO GET A IDEA OF YOUR, YOUR OVERALL SENSE OF, OF, OF WHAT YOU THINK BEFORE WE START SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF TIME AND COME BACK SEVERAL MONTHS FROM NOW TO, TO REALLY ASK THE FINAL QUESTION.
SO, SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
THIS STRIKES ME AS A SITE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND, UM, RATIONALIZED.
I MEAN, TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE SPACE, THE FLOW BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS LOOKS, LOOKS GOOD TO ME.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE PUT PLENTY OF THOUGHT INTO THIS AND, AND YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT FOLKS WORKING WITH YOU.
THE ONE THING I WOULD CAUTION YOU ON IS THIS BODY'S NOT REALLY ACCUSTOMED TO GIVING A BLANK CHECK ON AN SUP.
SO WITH RESPECT TO THAT SECOND SITE WHERE YOU HAD PEPPERS IN THE DRAWING, UM, COME TO US WITH A SPECIFIC USER, UM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT SUP, YOU'VE GOT A SPECIFIC USER FOR THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS STARBUCKS.
AND I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM US THAT WE ALL FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THAT.
AND BY THE WAY, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA DO VERY WELL BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HERF.
EVERYBODY COMING INTO TOWN FROM 46 EAST, GOING TO SAN ANTONIO TO WORK IN THE MORNING IS GONNA BE GOING BY YOUR STARBUCKS AND YOU SHOULD DO VERY, VERY WELL.
UM, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT ROUGHLY 600 MULTIFAMILY UNITS YOU MENTIONED, THEY'RE ALL INDIAN FOOD FANS.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN INDIAN FOOD RESTAURANT, MAYBE THAT YOU COULD PUT RIGHT WHERE PEPPERS IS NOW, AND YEAH, THEY'LL DO WELL THERE AS WELL.
WELL, I'M AN INDIAN FOOD FAN TOO, BUT I, I TAKE GOOD AUTHORITY THAT, SO EVERYBODY ELSE LIVES AROUND THIS PLACE, SO YEAH, THAT'D BE A GREAT, GREAT IDEA AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
YEAH, NO, IIII APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, I THINK, WAS THERE, WERE THERE TRAFFIC ITEMS BESIDES, I I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
THE ONE THING I WANTED TO TOUCH ON IS THERE'S BEEN A TIA DONE FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, SO IT'S BEEN REALLY THOUGHT OUT, NOT JUST FOR THIS ONE SITE, BUT RIGHT.
WHAT'S THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT GOING TO BE? AND THIS FITS RIGHT INTO THE PLAN.
IT'S CONSIDERED IN PHASE ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
IF, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE TIAI CAN DO THAT, BUT IT'S THERE.
IT'S, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN LAND USE AND IT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE END USER'S GONNA BE, SO THEY GUESS, BUT THEY GUESS REALLY WELL ON THIS ONE, WHENEVER I WAS LOOKING AT IT.
SO IT, IT'S ALL IN LINE WITH THE ORIGINAL TA THAT WAS COMPLETED WHEN THE PROJECT FIRST KICKED OFF OR THE, THE OVERALL, UM, AREA.
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UM, JUST LIKE MS. STRINGER BEFORE YOU, WE APPRECIATE YOU INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY.WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WHEN YOU'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
WELL DONE, MARK AND JUSTIN, THANK YOU.
[6.B. Discuss 2024 Citizen Survey Results]
ITEM.LAST ITEM IS THE 2024 CITIZEN SURVEY RESULTS.
SO WHO MR. CRANE IS, IS THAT, OH, MS. STARK, IS SHE GIVING US THAT THUMBNAIL SKETCH? TERRIFIC.
CHRISTY STARK, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
UM, SO I'LL DRIVE US THROUGH THIS ONE TONIGHT.
UM, I LAUGHINGLY SAID I'LL COME DOWN HERE AND STAND UP SO IT WON'T GET TOO LONG-WINDED ON THIS THING.
UH, SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH, UM, OUR PRESENTATION, THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS REALLY GO THROUGH HOW ANYONE CAN GO AND LOOK AT THE INFORMATION FROM THE CITIZEN SURVEY.
SO IF THEY GO TO OUR, IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND TO DEPARTMENTS, OUR COMMUNICATIONS, UH, PAGE, UM, THAT IS WHERE WE, UH, THAT'S THE HOME OF OUR COMMUNITY SURVEY.
AND IF YOU, YOU GO AHEAD AND CLICK ON THE SIDE THAT SAYS COMMUNITY SURVEY.
THIS IS THE THIRD SURVEY THAT WE'VE DONE SINCE, UH, SINCE 2020.
SO THERE WAS ONE IN, AT THE END OF 21 AT THE END OF 23, AND THEN, UM, OR REALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF 21, THE BEGINNING OF 23, AND THE VERY END OF 24.
SO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE 2024 SURVEY TONIGHT.
SO WHAT THIS DOES, IT REALLY, IT PROVIDES A, UH, IT GAUGES THE SATISFACTION WITH CITY FACILITIES, THE QUALITIES AND BENEFITS THAT ARE PROVIDED WITHIN THE CITY, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH, OUR SAFETY AND SECURITY, MOBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT GIVES US AN OVERVIEW AND ACTUAL DATA FROM THOSE WHO FILL OUT THE SURVEY.
UH, INTERESTINGLY, IF YOU GO DOWN, YOU CAN SEE THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE FOLKS WHO COMPLETED THAT, UH, MORE FEMALES THAN MALES.
UH, BERNIE IS A HISTORICALLY, UH, OLDER SOCI, YOU KNOW, OLDER, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC.
AND SO YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS, WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF 18 TO 29 YEAR OLDS WHO FILLED THIS OUT.
SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE, UM, IN THE HIGHER AGE BRACKETS.
AND THEN ALSO, IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO SEE THE LENGTH OF TIME WE BROKE IT OUT FROM ANYONE WHO POTENTIALLY HAD JUST MOVED TO BERNIE, TO THOSE WHO HAD LIVED HERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT.
UH, ONE THING THAT WE DID THIS YEAR, SO WE, I THINK WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IN BERNIE, UH, AS FAR AS THE DEPTH AND BREADTH OF OUR, UH, ZIP CODE.
SO WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE 22, 23, 20 4,000 PEOPLE IN BURN.
UM, BUT THE GREATER BERNIE AREA OR GREATER KENDALL COUNTY AREA ENCOMPASSES AS MANY AS, AS POTENTIALLY 80,000 PEOPLE.
SO, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT FEEL LIKE THEY ARE PART OF THE BERNIE COMMUNITY.
UH, WE KNOW THAT, UM, IT PROVIDES CHALLENGES BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT COME AND USE OUR, OUR FACILITIES, OUR RESOURCES HERE IN THE CITY, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE AN OPINION, AND, AND THEY VISIT OUR CITY.
THEY SPEND MONEY HERE, THEIR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL HERE.
AND SO THIS YEAR WHAT WE DID WAS EMBRACE, UM, REALLY TAKING A DEEPER DIVE INTO WHERE THE FOLKS LIVED WHO COMPLETED THE SURVEY.
SO BEFORE YOU HAD YOUR, UH, FIVE DISTRICTS THAT WERE OUR CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS, AND THEN EVERYONE ELSE WHO COMPLETED THE SURVEY WAS JUST KIND OF LUMPED TOGETHER IF YOU WEREN'T WITHIN ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
SO WHAT WE DID, UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THIS YEAR THAT, UH, WE HAD A TOTAL OF, IT WAS ABOUT ALMOST 1600 SURVEYS THAT WERE, THAT WERE COMPLETED.
UM, A LITTLE JUST RIGHT OVER 400 OF THOSE WERE FOLKS THAT LIVED OUTSIDE THE, UH, CITY LIMITS OF BERNIE, AND WHICH IS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT.
UM, WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY TELL IF THEY, UH, THEY LIVE IN THE ESPERANZA AREA, IF THEY'RE ON THE WEST SIDE OF 46, IF THEY'RE MORE UP TOWARD THE COMFORT AREA, UM, OR IF, UH, THEY'RE MORE AROUND THE, THE MI LMOS AREA.
SO, UH, AND WE, AND THAT WAS VERY, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU HOW THAT'S USEFUL AND ACTUALLY REALLY DRILLS DOWN INTO DATA AS WE GO THROUGH, UH, THE SURVEY.
SO THE TOP TWO CONCERNS THAT, THAT, UM, OUR RESPONDENTS HAD, UH, PERTAINED TO THE MO TO MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN ALSO GROWTH WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
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THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WHAT FOLKS WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF BERNIE, WHO ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT CONGESTION AND, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERNS THAT THEY RUN INTO, INTO, DURING THEIR DAILY, UH, COMMUTE, IF THEY'RE TAKING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL, IF THEY'RE GOING TO WORK, IF THEY'RE GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE.AND THE DIFFERENCE IN, IF YOU ARE COMING IN FROM OUT OF TOWN OUTSIDE, UH, BURNING PROPER, UH, YOU'RE VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, CONNECTIVITY, HOW EASY IS IT TO GET TO MOVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY? AND SO IT'S A MORE, IT'S A MORE BROAD VIEW, UH, APPROXIMATELY 35% OF OUR TOTAL COMMENTS.
SO WE HAD TWO QUESTIONS ON THE SURVEY.
UH, TWO AREAS FOR FOLKS COULD PROVIDE WRITTEN FEEDBACK AND JUST TYPE IN WHATEVER THEIR THOUGHT WAS.
UH, 35% OF THOSE PERTAIN SPECIFICALLY TO MO MOBILITY ISSUES.
UM, AND TALKING ABOUT BUILDING ROUTES TO EAST CONGESTION, WIDENING ROADS, ENHANCING TRAFFIC LIGHT, UH, SYNCHRONIZATION AND IMPROVING, UH, PEDESTRIAN CYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO JUST, UH, GENERAL FEEDBACK, POSITIVE SENTIMENT EXPRESSED BY RESIDENTS.
UH, AND, AND THIS SURVEY WAS VERY MUCH, IT, IT HAD A POSITIVE VIBE.
SO PEOPLE LOVE BERNIE, THEY LOVE LIVING HERE, BUT THEY ALSO DON'T MIND, UH, PROVIDING THEIR HONEST FEEDBACK ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT MAYBE THEY SEE AS CHALLENGES OR THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO, UH, CONCENTRATE ON.
UM, AND ONE OF THOSE WAS THE RAPID GROWTH THAT THAT CONTINUES TO, UH, YOU MIGHT SAY THREATEN OUR CHARACTER, BUT IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THE WONDERFUL, UH, HILL COUNTRY AREA THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO COME TO.
AND WE'RE ALSO POSITIONED IN THAT TRIANGLE OF GROWTH WITHIN TEXAS.
UM, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE HAD SOME REALLY INTERESTING, UH, A BIT OF A DICHOTOMY.
UM, OF COURSE, EFFECTIVE GROWTH MANAGEMENT, THERE'S ALWAYS AN EMPHASIS ON WATER CONSERVATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE READINESS.
UH, FOLKS ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEEK MORE COMMUNICATION ON CITY PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY OUR BOND PROJECTS AND MOBILITY PROJECTS.
BUT HERE WAS A DICHOTOMY ON THE HOUSING.
UM, SO, UH, THERE WAS, AS YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THIS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU HOW TO ACTUALLY, UH, FILTER THROUGH SOME OF THESE COMMENTS.
UH, SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE ADVOCATING, YOU KNOW, NO MORE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, NO MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED THE RENTAL UNITS ON HIGHWAY 46, WHILE ANOTHER SEGMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, REALLY EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HAVING HOUSING ALTERNATIVES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS, UM, THAT WE'RE, AND, AND FOLKS ARE NOT AFRAID TO LET US KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.
SO, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN GO DOWN, UH, AND ACTUALLY, UH, ACCESS OUR COMMUNITY SURVEY DASHBOARD.
AND THIS IS WHERE ALL THAT THE INFORMATION IS HOUSED.
SO THIS IS A REPORT, IT'S AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE TO CLICK THROUGH THIS.
UM, IF YOU SEE OVER HERE ON THE SIDE, THESE ARE THE ACT, THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND THE DIFFERENT DATA, UH, THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO GO THROUGH.
UM, WE LOOK HERE AT THE AREA PARTICIPANTS.
THIS JUST SHOWS YOU ALL THE DIFFERENT REGIONS, UH, ONE THROUGH FIVE.
THESE REGIONS ARE OUR CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS, AND THEN SIX THROUGH NINE, THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
HERE IS A, AN INTERESTING SLIDE.
THIS IS ONE THAT WE GO OVER, UM, EACH TIME WE, IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE.
UH, THIS IS THE, UM, SO THIS QUESTION WAS ON A SCALE FROM ZERO TO 10, HOW LIKELY ARE YOU TO RECOMMEND THE CITY TO A FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER AS A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE? UH, SO YOU SEE THE SCORE THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE HEART.
THIS IS CALLED A NET PROMOTER SCORE, AND IT'S NOT A PERCENTAGE, IT'S A, UH, RETAILERS USE THIS, UH, THIS SCORE, UH, EXTENSIVELY.
IT ACTUALLY MEASURES CUSTOMER LOYALTY AND SATISFACTION WITH EITHER YOUR PRODUCT, AND IN THIS CASE, IT'S, IT'S THE LOYALTY AND SATISFACTION THAT THEY HAVE WITH LIVING IN, UH, THE CITY OF BURN.
SO IF YOU NOTICE OVER HERE ON THE SIDE, THESE ARE YOUR DEMO FILTERS.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN FILTER EACH PAGE, UH, BY MALE OR FEMALE, UH, WHAT AGE THE PERSON WAS WHO, WHO ANSWERED THIS QUESTION, THE TIME IN THE CITY.
SO THIS IS, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SELECT ALL.
SO ALL PARTICIPANTS, THE PROMOTER SCORE, YOU SEE IT GOES UP.
SO OUR PROMOTER SCORE IS 59, WHICH IS EXTREMELY GOOD.
UM, YOUR PROMOTER SCORE CAN GO NEGATIVE 100 TO POSITIVE 100.
SO ANYTHING 25, YOU THINK 25 OR 30 WOULDN'T BE THAT GOOD.
WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT YOU CAN GO AS LOW AS NEGATIVE 100, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SCORE.
SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A PROMOTER SCORE OF 59 WHEN WE, UH, INCLUDE ALL THE RESPONDENTS.
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IS IF YOU LOOK HERE AT THE BOTTOM, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU'VE GOT 32% OF THE RESPONDENTS, UH, IN THE SOMEWHAT POSITIVE CATEGORY, AND THEN 47% IN THE STRONGLY POSITIVE CATEGORY.SO YOU'VE GOT ALMOST 80% OF THE FOLKS WHO ANSWERED THIS QUESTION, YOU KNOW, HAVE A VERY POSITIVE VIEW OF LIVING IN BURN.
SOME OTHER AREAS THAT YOU MAY WANNA, WANNA GO THROUGH AND DELVE INTO A LITTLE, A LITTLE, UH, DEEPER THE CITY AMENITIES.
SO THIS QUESTION WAS, LOOK OVER ALL THE CITY AMENITIES IN WHICH TOO, UH, SHOULD THE CITY DEVOTE MORE TIME AND RESOURCES TO ENHANCE.
UH, WHAT YOU NEED TO NOTICE IS THAT, SO CITY PARKS AND OPEN SPACES, SO 49, UH, 49% OF THE FOLKS WHO ANSWERED THIS QUESTION SAYS, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO THEM.
THEN GO OVER TO THE SIDE AND ALSO LOOK AT THE, UH, RATING PERCENTAGE.
SO OF THAT 49%, 43% THOUGHT IT WAS VERY GOOD.
UH, 42 THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY, AND ONLY 15% THOUGHT IT WAS POOR OR VERY POOR.
SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST.
COMPARE IT, COMPARE IT TO MAYBE THE CITY POOL.
SO ONLY 12% OF THE FOLKS WHO, UH, ANSWERED, ANSWERED THIS QUESTION, UM, THOUGHT THIS WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
YET, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEIR DISSATISFACTION IS PRETTY HIGH WITH THAT AMENITY.
SO WHILE THE SIT, WHILE THE DISSATISFACTION IS HIGH, THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT THINK THAT IS A HIGHER PRIORITY IS PRETTY LOW.
SO, UH, WHAT WE DO IS WE GO THROUGH, AS CITY STAFF, IS CITY COUNCIL, AND USE THIS INFORMATION AS A PLANNING TOOL TO LOOK FORWARD AND SEE, OKAY, WHAT ARE THE HOT BUTTONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY? WHAT DO THEY WANT MORE OF? WHAT ARE THEY PLEASED WITH? YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE EXPAND IN THOSE AREAS? AND THEN ALSO, HOW CAN WE, UH, POTENTIALLY DEVOTE MORE RESOURCES TO AREAS THAT, UH, COULD USE A LITTLE BIT MORE TENSION, GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND, UH, NOTICE THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT, SO THAT WE ASK THE RESPONDENTS TO TELL US, HEY, WHICH TWO OF THESE ISSUES, UH, SHOULD THE CITY DEVOTE MORE TIME AND RESOURCES TO ENHANCING? AND YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, MANAGING GROWTH AND DENSITY OF THE CITY, UH, THROUGH LAND USE AND ZONING CODES, UH, 56% SAID THAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT.
UH, MAINTAINING THE CITY'S UNIQUE COMMUNITY CHARM.
AND, UH, 43% OF OF THE FOLKS WHO FILLED THE SURVEY OUT SAID THAT WAS THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, TOP THEIR SECOND MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE.
SO YOU CAN SEE AS YOU GO THROUGH HERE, UM, WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR RESIDENTS, AND THEN ALSO HOW THEY FEEL, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT THE RATING IS AND HOW WE'RE DOING IN THOSE AREAS.
AND YOU CAN ALSO, AGAIN, YOU CAN GO OVER AND YOU CAN DECIDE, OKAY, I WANNA SEE.
AND, UM, I JUST WANNA SEE WHAT FOLKS THOUGHT THAT WERE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
AND SO THEN IT CHANGES ALL YOUR PERCENTAGES AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO FOLKS WHO ARE COMING INTO BERNIE.
THEN YOU CAN CHANGE IT BACK AND SEE WHAT'S, UH, COMPARATIVELY TO THOSE WHO, UH, ARE OUT ARE LIVING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE COMMENTS TOO.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THIS IS, AND YOU CAN DOWNLOAD ANY OF THIS INFORMATION THAT YOU WANT.
UH, THE MOBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT WAS, UH, A QUESTION THAT WE ASKED THAT, UM, WE ALLOWED THEM TO, UH, GIVE US A COMMENT, COMMENTS ON.
SO THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT, UH, THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT TOPICS, UH, THINGS THAT PEOPLE MENTIONED.
SO TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND CONGESTION IS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.
SO 53% SAID THIS IS THEIR MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE.
UM, AND SO WHAT YOU CAN DO THEN IS GO DOWN AND, AND GO TO THE DETAIL, WHICH IS RIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT.
UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT HERE AT THE TOP, YOU CAN FILTER IT TO TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND CONGESTION AND SEE EVERY SINGLE COMMENT THAT WAS WRITTEN.
AND YOU CAN ALSO DOWNLOAD THAT REPORT.
SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN, UM, DIG DOWN DEEPER.
AGAIN, YOU CAN LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO IS IN, IN THE CITY LIMITS, WHO IS IN A CERTAIN REGION.
IT'S VERY USEFUL FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SEE WHAT THEIR CONSTITUENTS, UM, IN THEIR REGION ARE SAYING.
AND THEN WE ALSO JUST, WE HAD A, JUST A BASIC CATCHALL QUESTION THAT WAS ANYTHING MORE TO SAY.
AND, UH, THE MAIN TOPICS THAT CAME UP, UH, FROM THE RESIDENTS AND, AND FROM FOLKS WHO FILLED OUT THE SURVEY WAS, UH, HIGH, HIGH DENSITY HOUSING AND POPULATION GROWTH, TRAFFIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNICATION.
AND THEN YOU CAN JUST SEE THE REST OF
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THE LIST.SO YOU CAN, UH, GO DOWN AND DRILL DOWN AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMENTS WERE FOR EACH OF THESE TOPICS.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? SO ALL THIS DATA IS OUT THERE AVAILABLE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN STAY IT, GET IN IT AND GO AS, AS LONG OR SHORT AS YOU WANT.
UH, YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN EACH OF OUR, OUR AREAS WITHIN THE CITY OR OUTSIDE THE CITY AND REALLY GET A GOOD PICTURE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, OF, OF HOW FOLKS ARE FEELING, WHAT KIND OF SATISFACTION LEVEL THEY HAVE, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THEIR MIND, WHAT DO THEY WANT TO SEE US LOOK AT? IT'S A FANTASTIC TOOL AS WE GO INTO THE BUDGET SEASON.
UH, ALSO AS WE LOOK AT, UH, CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIES, THIS IS SOME OF THE DATA THAT, THAT, UH, THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS USE, UH, TO DETERMINE WHAT THOSE ARE.
AND SO IT'S A WONDERFUL PLANNING TOOL AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FOUND TO BE VERY VALUABLE.
WE, UH, CONCENTRATE ON DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE HISTORICAL DATA THAT IS WITHIN THE REPORT, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THIS, THIS YEAR THERE WERE NEW QUESTIONS AND MAYBE WE DIDN'T ASK SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WE DID LAST YEAR BECAUSE WE COULD SEE THAT THE FOCUS, UH, YOU KNOW, NEEDED TO GO IN A FEW DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
SO ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER? WELL, THANK YOU MS. STARK FOR THE GREAT PRESENTATION.
IT'S NICE TO KNOW HOW YOU WORKED THROUGH THIS ON THE CITY WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN REALLY DIG DOWN AS DEEP AS YOU WANT TO GO INTO THESE RESPONSES TO FIND OUT HOW CITIZENS ARE FEELING ABOUT THE VARIOUS ISSUES, UM, THAT WE QUESTION THEM ABOUT.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR WALKING US THROUGH THIS TOOL, WHICH IS, I, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, A FANTASTIC TOOL FOR COUNCIL CITY STAFF TO USE WHEN PLANNING BUDGETS AND, AND, UM, UM, MANAGING THE GROWTH OF THE CITY GOING FORWARD.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MS. STARK ON HER PRESENTATION THIS EVENING? WHICH AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO DO SO.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, HOW DID THE RESPONDENTS COMPARE TO THE LAST TWO SURVEYS? ARE WE GETTING GOOD FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS OVERALL? UM, OUR, THE FOLKS WHO FILL THE SURVEY OUT ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THE CITY OF BERNIE.
I THINK THAT, UM, PROMOTER SCORE, THE NET PROMOTER SCORE, UM, IT WENT UP THIS YEAR.
I'M SORRY, I SIGNIFICANTLY, I'M THE, JUST THE, THE, THE GROSS NUMBER.
LIKE YOU SAID, WE HAD WHAT, 1600? WE HAD 1600 I THINK WE HAD LAST YEAR, MAYBE 1200, UH, FOLKS WHO FILLED IT OUT AND REAL.
AND WHAT WAS SO VALUABLE, I THINK THIS YEAR IS THAT YOU DIDN'T JUST HAVE PEOPLE, JUST THAT GROUP, OKAY.
YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THEY LIVE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, UH, A HUGE, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? EVEN SO ALL OF OUR FACILITIES, OUR BALL FIELDS, OUR PARKS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A RESOURCE FOR THE GREATER KENDALL COUNTY AREA.
THEY'RE NOT JUST A RESOURCE FOR OUR RESIDENTS WHO PAY TAXES IN THE CITY OF BURN.
AND SO IT REALLY HELPS US TO SEE WHAT AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT ARE, UH, DO THE BALL FIELDS, UM, HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, UM, IMPACT ON, AND WHAT AREAS DO THEY NOT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
AND WE'VE, WE HAVE, THANKFULLY WITH THE THIRD YEAR, YOU, YOU GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND YOU FINE TUNE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
UM, IF YOU WANNA SEE WHAT THE SPECIFIC QUESTION IS FOR EACH OF THE RESULTS, YOU CAN SEE THAT AT THE BOTTOM OF EACH PAGE.
I DON'T THINK I SAID THAT, BUT I JUST READ SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OFF.
I THINK AS YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT WAS THAT THEY WERE ANSWERING MR. BIRD.
YEAH, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
SO, UM, WHEN I FILL OUT A SURVEY, I USUALLY GET ONE OR ONE OF TWO RESULTS.
ONE IS I GET NOTHING, I HEAR NOTHING BACK.
AND THE OTHER IS THE OWNER CALLS ME.
WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? WHERE DO WE FALL ON THAT SCALE OF, OF, SO WE HAVE THESE 1600 THAT, THAT RESPONDED.
WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT? WHAT'S THE MESSAGE? WHAT DO WE SEND BACK TO THE COMMUNITY? WELL, THEY GOT A MESSAGE, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR COMPLETING THE SURVEY.
YOU KNOW, AND I BELIEVE IT, IT EVEN REFERENCED THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE RESULTS WOULD BE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE.
I DON'T THINK WE SENT ANYTHING BACK.
UH, THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS FILLED THIS OUT.
SO, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF FOLKS THAT, THAT RESPONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER EMAILS.
SO A LOT OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS SENT EMAILS OUT TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
YOU KNOW, THEY MAY BE FOLKS WHO HAVE ASKED THEM ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE HAD A LOT OF, A LOT OF RESPONDENTS FROM THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS INFORMATION, IT DOES NOT GO DOWN.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TAKEN DOWN FROM THE WEBSITE.
WE STILL HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM 2021, SO ANYONE CAN GO ON AND, AND, AND LOOK AT THIS.
UM, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND SEE.
WE MAY HAVE SENT, THEY MAY HAVE SENT THEM AN EMAIL BACK IF THEY SENT US AN EMAIL.
UM, I CAN CHECK ON THAT, BUT, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT FOR SURE 'CAUSE I'M NOT POSITIVE, BUT, UM, WE DO KEEP IT UP ON THE WEBSITE INDEFINITELY.
YEAH, WHAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT WE'RE LISTENING AND, AND THANK YOU MM-HMM
AND DO YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THE PLANNING AND THE SOLUTION AND INVITE THEM INTO THESE
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ENVIRONMENTS WHERE, WHERE YOU CAN GIVE YOUR INPUT AND COME TO THE MEETINGS AND, UM, IT'S A LOT THAT CAN BE DONE WITH IT.YEAH, AND THIS ONE WAS A LITTLE LONGER THIS YEAR, SO, UM, WHEN I FINISHED MINE, I TOLD BEN, I SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS ONE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAN EIGHT MINUTES.
SO, UM, BUT IT WAS REALLY GOOD INFORMATION AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU ENJOYED BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK.
SO WELL, FOR THOSE THAT DID IT, THAT DID TAKE THE TIME TO RESPOND.
LIKE YOU, MR. ARC, WHO MAY BE WATCHING THIS EITHER LIVE OR ON VIDEO, UH, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN YOUR ENGAGEMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
OBVIOUSLY WE TAKE THESE COMMENTS SERIOUSLY AND, AND, UH, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS POLICIES AND, AND, UH, MASTER PLANS ACCORDINGLY BASED ON WHAT WE SEE.
AND I THINK WE AS A BODY, UH, CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN VERY SENSITIVE TO DENSITY ISSUES AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT ISSUES.
AND SO THAT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER FRIAR, COMMISSIONER SEN, ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT AVENUES WERE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO FIND THE SURVEY? I HAVE THAT.
UM, SO WE DID A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA, AND I HAD A LIST OF THIS, BUT WE DID A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, AND ASKING PEOPLE TO, UM, ACTUALLY FILL IT OUT IF PEOPLE HAD FILLED IT OUT BEFORE, I BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY, THEY GOT A LITTLE TOUCH.
UH, THEN OF COURSE, OUR CITY COUNCIL HAD SENT OUT A LOT OF, UM, EMAILS TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
SO, UH, AND IT WAS AVAILABLE, UM, ANYWHERE WE WENT.
WE TOLD PEOPLE ABOUT IT TOO, ANNOUNCED IT AT COUNCIL MEETINGS AND AT DIFFERENT, UH, COMMUNITY SETTINGS.
UM, IT WAS AVAILABLE DURING DECEMBER.
SO, UM, WHAT WAS, WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED A HUGE, UM, NUMBER OF RESPONDENTS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD POOL TO GIVE YOU THE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO, UH, MAKE A GOOD, MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE.
I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU REALLY ONLY NEED ABOUT 600, UH, RESPONDENTS.
SO WE FELT REALLY GOOD ABOUT THE WIDE RANGE OF INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED, NOT ONLY FROM WITHIN THE CITY OF BERNIE, BUT ALSO WITHIN THE GREATER, UH, KENDALL COUNTY AREA.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, HOW, WHAT DID, DID WE HAVE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL PERCENTAGE OVER THE AGE OF 65? LET'S LOOK, THE REASON I ASK IS 'CAUSE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SAN ANTONIO'S, UH, SENIOR POPULATION IS ABOUT 19% OF THEIR TOTAL POPULATION, AND BERNIE'S IS ABOUT 23%.
WE HAD, UH, 24% OF OUR, OUR FOLKS WERE 70 OR OLDER, UH, 24% WITHIN 60 TO 69, AND THEN, UH, 20% FROM IN EACH OF, FROM 40 TO 59.
WE HAVE A LOT OF EMPTY NESTERS IN BERNIE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
THIS GOES OUT IN DECEMBER OF EVERY YEAR? IT VARIES.
SO WE HAVE, UM, UH, IN, I THINK THE FIRST TWO SURVEYS WERE DONE IN JANUARY OF EACH YEAR.
UM, BUT THIS YEAR WE REALLY WANTED TO HAVE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE FOR OUR WINTER WORKSHOP WITH COUNCIL.
AND SO WE MOVED IT UP A LITTLE BIT IN DECEMBER.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT COMPETITIVE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY HAS GOING ON IN THE HOLIDAYS, BUT OUR, OUR RESPONSE WAS FANTASTIC AND IT DIDN'T TAKE VERY LONG FOR PEOPLE TO RESPOND, SO WE KEPT IT OPEN, BUT THE MAJORITY OF OUR RESPONSES WERE IN PROBABLY THE FIRST 10 DAYS.
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
IT'S, IT'S BUSY FOR FOLKS IN DECEMBER.
IT'S, BUT WE HAD A GOOD, GREAT RESPONSE, SO CLEARLY THEY TOOK THE TIME TO DO IT ANYWAY AND WE MOST APPRECIATE THAT.
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THE COMMISSION, UH, PLEASURE OR LEGAL, UH, STAFF? ANYTHING ELSE? MR. CRANE? YES, SIR.WE HAVE ONE, UH, MORE FOR YOU.
UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, UH, THAT WE'RE REVISING IN AN, IN AN EFFORT TO GET BETTER AT WHAT WE DO.
UH, WE'VE MADE A CHANGE IN OUR ORGANIZATION.
UH, LIZ VAL, WHO YOU HAVE MET, IS NOW, UH, WHAT WE CALL A DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.
AND HER RESPONSIBILITY IS GOING TO BE WORKING WITH, UH, PARTICULAR DEVELOPERS, UH, WITH, UH, COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WITH THOSE THAT ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS TO HELP THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CHANGE AND, UH, WILL HELP IMPROVE OUR CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, UH, TO THE, UH, FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.
UH, APOLOGIES SHE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.
SHE HAD A CONFLICT, PRIOR CONFLICT, BUT UH, WE WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW AND SHE'LL BE GREAT AT IT.
SHE'S GOT THE RIGHT PERSONALITY.
WE DISCUSSED THAT DURING THE UDC UH, PROCESS.
UH, COMMISSIONER CASE WILL RECALL OUR SUBCOMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT AN OMBUDSMAN TO HELP WITH THE PROCESS AND FACILITATE THAT FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT.
SO THIS IS A GREAT, A GREAT IDEA AND A GREAT, UH, SUGGESTION.
UM, I JUST WANT LET YOU GUYS KNOW AND STAFF KNOW THAT, UM, HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE SARAH
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V WHATEVER.I CAN'T SAY HER LAST NAME ANYWAY, I DON'T THINK SHE'S HERE TONIGHT.
BUT, UM, I'M WORKING WITH A FAMILY MEMBER ON A CHALLENGING PROJECT HERE IN THE CITY AND WE REQUESTED A MEETING WITH SARAH AND NOT ONLY DID SARAH COORDINATE THAT MEETING, BUT SHE BROUGHT IN LIKE ONE OF EVERYBODY FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT WE WERE SURPRISED BY.
AND IT WAS SUPER, SUPER HELPFUL AND I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR HER, HER LEADERSHIP AND TAKING THAT ON.
AND SHE HAD NOTES FOR DAYS FOR US SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SCRIBBLE NOTES, WE COULD LISTEN AND PAY ATTENTION AND SHE HAD EVERYTHING ALREADY READY FOR US, OUR NEXT STEPS, WHAT TO DO, WHO TO CALL, AND IT WAS SUPER IMPRESSIVE.
THANKS FOR SHARING THAT WITH US.
WE'RE DELIGHTED BY CITY STAFF AND TYPICALLY AT THE END OF THESE MEETINGS I LIKE TO CELEBRATE AND APPLAUD STAFF SUCCESSES, AWARDS, HONORS.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, UH, AT THE END OF THIS MEETING, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST TAKE THE TIME TO APPLAUD THIS BODY.
UM, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT RECALL SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE ELECTED NOT TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL THAT, UH, CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AUTOMOTIVE GO IN SOBO, NOT TO KNOCK CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AUTOMOTIVE.
IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT, IT'S A GREAT COMPANY, JUST LIKE JACK IN THE BOX, GREAT COMPANY, GREAT PRODUCT, BUT WE JUST FELT LIKE THAT WASN'T THE RIGHT PLACE.
SOBO WASN'T THE RIGHT LOCATION.
SO GIVEN THAT WE DID THAT TONIGHT, WE GOT TO HEAR FROM A DIFFERENT USER, WHICH WE THINK IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE ENVISION FOR SOBO.
SO, YOU KNOW, NO ONE GETS CREDIT FOR THE DOGS THAT DON'T BARK, BUT, UH, WE OUGHT TO PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK BECAUSE THE DECISION WE MADE MONTHS AGO HAS ENABLED ANOTHER USER TO COME IN THIS EVENING AND WE THINK BRING A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT IN A MUCH MORE CONSISTENT PRODUCT SOBO THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.
SO THANKS TO EACH OF YOU FOR YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND DECISION MAKING AND THOROUGHNESS WHEN IT COMES TO CONSIDERING THESE SORTS OF THINGS FOR THE CITY OF BERNIE.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, THEN WE WILL ADJOURN.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH, SAME TIME, SAME PLACE.
THANK YOU FOR MY BIRTHDAY PRESENT.