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HEY, I LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF CHANGES.
[1. CALL TO ORDER – 6:00 PM]
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.UH, I'M TIM VAN WOLFF AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING ALONGSIDE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THE BERNIE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THIS IS OUR REGULAR APRIL MEETING.
IF YOU'LL FIRST RISE WITH ME AND WE'LL SAY THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE FIRST TO THE AMERICAN FLAG, OUR PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE TRIAL.
PLEASE FACE THE TEXAS FLAG, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, OUR PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO LEAD TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
AND NOW IF YOU'LL PLEASE JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
[2. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST]
ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST TONIGHT AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS WITH ANY ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, SIR? ALRIGHT.I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I DO HAVE SOME FOLKS SIGNED UP TONIGHT.
UH, DID I SAY YOUR NAME CORRECTLY? YES.
YOURS? YOU CAN SPEAK ON ITEM SIX A.
I DIDN'T SAY WHAT ITEM IT WAS.
DID I SAY THE LAST NAME CORRECTLY? YES.
ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? NO ONE ELSE HAS SIGNED UP, BUT OF COURSE WE'LL TAKE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS WITH THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA: All items listed below within the consent agenda are considered routine by the Planning and Zoning Commission and may be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of items unless there is a Commission member or citizen request, in which event the item may be moved to the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PULLED FROM CONSENT BEFORE WE CONSIDER THAT MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM FOUR C AND FOUR D, PLEASE.
WE DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION.
WE'LL JUST REMOVE THOSE ITEMS. FOUR C AND FOUR D FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE COMMISSION.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER ITEMS? IF NOT, THEN WE'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WITH RESPECT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING, I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER KATES, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER FRIAR.
ALRIGHT, IF YOU'LL PLEASE VOTE ON THAT, WE'LL REVEAL THE RESULTS.
UH, IT PASSES SEVEN IN FAVOR, NOT OPPOSED.
[4.C. Consider approval for The Birch at Spencer Ranch Phase 3 Final Plat a 70-lot single family subdivision generally located to the west of Spencer Road and north of State Highway.]
MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR C, WHICH LET ME GET TO ITEM FOUR C IS CONSIDER APPROVAL FOR THE BIRCH AT SPENCER RANCH, PHASE THREE.FINAL PLAT, A 70 LOT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, GENERALLY LOCATED TO THE WEST OF SPENCER ROAD AND NORTH OF STATE HIGHWAY 46, WEST OF IH 10.
FRANKIE LINDER, PLANNING DEPARTMENT GONNA DIE.
OKAY, SO THIS ALIGNS WITH OUR, UH, STRATEGY MAP WITH C ONE AND C3.
I'M SURE THE AREA, UM, IS FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF YOU.
IT'S LOCATED ON, EXCUSE ME, JUST OFF OF 46 WEST OF INTERSTATE 10.
SO TONIGHT, THIS IS A CONSIDERATION FOR A FINAL PLAT.
UM, IN THE PAST, THIS DID HAVE AN APPROVED MASTER COMMUNITY PLAN IN 2018, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN 2021 AND A PRELIM PLAT, UH, ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 22 AND THEN EXTENDED IN 24.
UH, THE FINAL PLAT TONIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THESE DOCUMENTS.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON THIS PROPERTY DESIGN, EXCUSE ME, FOR THE CITY DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.
AND A PRIMARY, UH, USE OF THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.
THERE IS A FLOOD PLAN ON THIS PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, THEY DO HAVE A CONDITIONAL, UH, LETTER OF MAP REVISION, A COMAR THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2020 A, A LETTER OF MAP REVISION LOMAR THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2024.
AND THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR AND ARE AWAITING APPROVAL OF THEIR SECONDARY LOMAR.
UM, WHAT THIS DOES, THE PURPOSE IS BASICALLY TO RECLAIM SOME OF THIS FLOOD LAND, UH, MAKE IT NO LONGER FLOODING AND SAFE.
HERE IS THE APPROVED MASTER PLAN.
THE DENSITY THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE 2.84 DWELLINGS PER ACRE.
UM, THAT, UH, COMPLIES WITH THE, EXCUSE ME, COMPLIES WITH THE MASTER PLAN AS WELL AS WITH THE RECENT REZONING CASE.
THE ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY WAS APPROVED,
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UH, LAST MONTH.IT IS R TWO N, WHICH IS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED FINAL PLAT, UH, BECAUSE IT IS BROKEN UP INTO A NORTHERN SECTION, THE SOUTHERN SECTION.
THIS IS THE, UH, NORTHERN AND HERE IS THE SOUTHERN.
SO STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THIS PLAT MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDC AND THEREFORE RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVE THE PLAT WITH THE, UM, FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
UH, ONE PRETTY STANDARD IS THAT THE RECORDED PLAT NEEDS TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ONE SHOWN TONIGHT, AND THAT IS STAMPED ON MARCH 26TH, 2025 THAT THE, UH, SECONDARY L MAR IS APPROVED PRIOR TO RECORDATION.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THESE NEXT ONES.
SO DURING THE, UM, REZONING PROCESS, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE ZONING PROCESS OF THIS, A FEW THINGS CAME UP.
UM, ONE IS, UH, DEDICATING A TRAIL EASEMENT TO THE CITY OF BURN.
UM, HOWEVER, THE FINAL LOCATION HASN'T BEEN WORKED OUT.
WE WANNA WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO FIND THE BEST LOCATION FOR THIS TRAIL EASEMENT.
SO WE ARE ASKING THAT IT BE A STIPULATION PRIOR TO RECORDING, WHETHER THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, PLAT ITSELF OR THROUGH A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT THAT IT HAPPENS.
UH, THE SECOND THAT CAME UP DURING THE, UH, REZONING CASE WAS ABOUT A WARNING LIGHT, A WARNING SIGNAL LIGHT ALONG, UM, 46.
AND SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT BOTH AGREED TO.
AND THIS IS OUR WAY TO ENSURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
UH, BECAUSE 46 IS A T ROAD, IT DOES NEED TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE TDOT REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT PHRASED THIS WAY IN THE STIPULATION.
THIS ENSURES, UM, THAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS WILL HAPPEN.
AND AS LONG AS TDOT IS AMENABLE, WE WILL BE, UM, ENFORCING THAT.
THE LAST STIPULATION, AGAIN, IS A VERY COMMON ONE.
UH, JUST THAT THE FINAL PLAT SHALL NOT BE RECORDED UNTIL ALL CLERICAL CORRECTIONS HAVE BEEN REVISED AS DETERMINED BY OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR.
AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE, UH, STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THIS MEETS ALL THE UDC REQUIREMENTS, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT P AND Z APPROVE IT TONIGHT.
THERE WERE FIVE CONDITIONS AS I RECALL.
WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? I THINK THAT MAY BE WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HARLEY WANTS TO ADDRESS IN PART COMMISSIONER HARLEY.
UM, FIRST IN THE, IN THE TIA, UM, IN THE BACKGROUND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PULL THAT UP FOR REFERENCE, BUT I CAN READ IT.
IT SAYS A FUTURE TIA WILL BE COMPLETED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL PARCELS ALONG LOCATED ALONG 46 IN PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION OF SPENCER RANCH ROAD.
ONCE A TIA IS COMPLETED FOR THESE FURNISHED PARCELS, THE DEVELOPER WILL ADD A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF STATE HIGHWAY 46 AND SPENCER RANCH BOULEVARD, IN ADDITION TO COMPLETING ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIRED TRAFFIC MITIGATION MEASURES.
IT'S STATING IN THE IAIS THAT THEY ARE UNDOUBTEDLY ADDING A LIGHT.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO IT IS, OH, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, IT'S JUST BEEN A LITTLE BIT.
SO THEY WILL BE ADDING A LIGHT ONCE IT'S WARRANTED.
UH, THE WAY IT'S WORDED THAT WAY IS BECAUSE YOU, UH, SPENCER RANCH, AS I WAS MENTIONED, IS A LARGER PROJECT THAN JUST THE BIRCH OF SPENCER RANCH.
SO AS THOSE OTHER, UH, PARCELS DEVELOP AS WE DO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT IMPACT ANALYSIS, IF IT WARRANTS IT AT THAT POINT, IT'LL BE INSTALLED.
WHAT DETERMINES WHEN THAT TIA WILL BE DONE, DONE, OR COMPLETED? THOSE TIAS WILL BE DONE AT THE TIME OF PLAT APPROVAL FOR THOSE PARCELS.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T INDICATE WHAT KIND OF LIGHT ON THE BACKGROUND OR IN THE, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR OF COMMISSION ACTION.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE MODIFIED? UH, TYPICALLY THAT WHAT THEY REFER TO AS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS WHAT THAT'S REFERRING TO.
FLASHING RED LIGHT, FLASHING YELLOW LIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE, PROBABLY GONNA BE AT THE TECH STOP.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THAT, AND IT'S DETERMINED BY WARRANTS.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS YOU HAVE, HOW MANY RIGHT TURN, HOW MANY THROUGH MOVEMENTS, HOW THEY SET IT UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HIGHLER? NO, I JUST, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF GETTING CAUGHT UP THERE ON THE, IT STATES CLEARLY THAT THEY WILL BE ADDING A LIGHT THIS, SO COMMISSIONER HIGHLER, THIS IS DIFFERENT.
NUMBER FOUR IS NOT THAT, TRAFFIC IS NOT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UM, SO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WILL, IF, IF THAT'S WARRANTED WHEN WE DO THE TIA.
SO NUMBER FOUR WAS THE RESULT OF A CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED DURING,
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UH, THE COUNCIL MEETING.I THINK IT WAS COUNCILMAN WILLISON, CORRECT? I WAS TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT.
UH, THIS IS SET, THIS IS SEPARATE.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS AND I THINK OUR ENGINEERING STAFF ACTUALLY HAS ALREADY BEGUN TALKING WITH, UH, WITH TXDOT.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT THIS REFERS TO.
ANYTHING ELSE, MR. FRIAR? SO ON THAT SAME LINE, I I, I THINK THE, THE WATERS JUST BECAME VERY MUDDY IN MY MIND.
WHAT HE READ WAS VERY MATTER OF FACT.
I FEEL LIKE IT SAID THEY HAVE TO DO A TIA AND IT SOUNDED LIKE TO ME, REGARDLESS OF THE TIAA TRAFFIC LIGHT WOULD BE PUT IN WHAT YOU JUST SAID IN THE PRESENTATION TO US, IS THAT THE CONVERT CONVERSATION BETWEEN COUNSEL AND THE APPLICANT, THEY'VE AGREED TO THIS WARNING LIGHT, BUT THE LANGUAGE SAYS WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE A POSSIBILITY THAT IS NOT A GUARANTEE OR A PROMISE.
SO NONE OF THESE SEEM VERY COHESIVE TO ME AT ALL.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S TOO, AS, AS A, MY STARK MENTIONED, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO, SO SPENCER RANCH, THIS IS THE BIRCH AT SPENCER RANCH IN GREEN.
UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ACTUALLY COVERS THE LAND IN YELLOW, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, BLUE, BLUE.
AND ACTUALLY THIS AREA IN HERE.
SO THERE'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, RELATED TO TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT DEALS WITH THIS SIGNAL RIGHT HERE, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UH, AND ONE ONCE THAT'S WARRANTED, THAT WILL GO IN AT THAT LOCATION.
WHAT, UH, WHAT THIS STIPULATION IS REFERRED TO.
NUMBER FOUR IS SOME TYPE OF WARNING LIGHT THAT THERE'S AN UPCOMING INTERSECTION ON ON HIGHWAY 46.
WE DON'T KNOW IF TEXTILE WILL APPROVE IT OR NOT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE, UM, EXPLORING WITH THEM.
I DON'T WANNA STEAL COMMISSIONER KATE'S THUNDER, 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS IS ALWAYS HIS, UM, TERRITORY, BUT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS KICKING THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT LIGHT AND AT WHAT POINT IN THE PROJECT? I THINK THAT'S A BIG CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IN EVERY PROJECT, AND I THINK THIS WAS A HUGE CONCERN THAT OUR NEIGHBORS OF THESE, OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE SAFETY OF TRAFFIC AND, AND THE LIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONTROL WE HAVE OVER THAT TODAY.
I, I WILL ADD THAT, THAT THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND DIRECTOR CRANE, YOUR EXPLANATION THERE.
SO NUMBER FOUR DOES READ INSTALLING WARNING SIGNS AND LIGHTS, IT'S SIGNS SLASH LIGHTS, UM, WHICH I REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION AS I WATCHED THAT MEETING VERY CLOSELY.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY AND CON OR CONFIRM THERE IS A WARNING LIGHT GOING IN AT 46.
I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, UH, MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND THE SIGNS WERE IN ADDITION TO THE LIGHT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN REFERENCED, THE SIGNS ARE IN ADDITION TO THE WARNING SIGNS? YES.
THEY WOULD BE THE WARNING SIGNS.
IDEALLY THEY WOULD GO IN ALMOST, WELL, DEPENDING UPON TEXTILE OF COURSE, CORRECT.
ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AS THIS DEVELOPMENT BEGINS TO BUILD OUT.
AND THEN THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WOULD GO IN WHEN THE TIA WARRANTED IT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. CRANE? THAT'S CORRECT.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER FRIAR? MR. KATES, UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT, UH, SLIDE AGAIN PLEASE? I'VE GOT, UH, SOME MAJOR CONCERNS HERE.
UH, THE LANGUAGE IN NUMBER FOUR, IF THAT'S THE LANGUAGE YOU RECOMMEND, WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST STRIKE THAT LANGUAGE.
IT MEANS NOTHING, UM, COORDINATE WITH CITY STAFF TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY.
UM, THERE, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, OKAY.
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE BY A CITY STAFF.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD IMPLORE THEM TO PUT IN LIGHTS, UH, IN MY OPINION, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, WARNING LIGHTS, UM, WARNING SIGNS HERE VERSUS A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
UH, THIS NEEDS TO SAY THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT AGREES TO PUT THOSE IN AS, AS SOON AS TXDOT APPROVAL IS OBTAINED AND THAT IT WILL BE, UH, BE TRYING TO OBTAIN THAT NOW, NOT JUST, NOT JUST TALK ABOUT IT.
NUMBER FOUR CARRIES NO WEIGHT AT ALL.
UH, AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, UH, I'LL, I'LL THROW IN MY TIA SPEECH ONE MORE TIME.
UH, IT WILL NEVER BE INSTALLED UNDER THESE GUIDELINES.
UH, THEY WILL BUILD TRACK BY TRACK BY TRACK AND NO TRACK INDIVIDUALLY WILL EVER SAY, OOPS, IT'S TIME YOU GOTTA PUT IN A, A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
EACH TRACK WILL BE DONE SMALL ENOUGH JUST LIKE THEY DID THE GAS STATION
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OUT THERE ALREADY, INDEPENDENT OF THE OTHER TRACKS.AND EACH TRACK WILL SAY, NOPE.
OH, I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR A, FOR A RED LIGHT.
SO I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THERE WILL NEVER BE A RED LIGHT PUT IN OUT THERE BASED ON A TIA BECAUSE THERE IS NEVER A CUMULATIVE EFFECT OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S ALWAYS DONE ON AN INDIVIDUAL TRACK BASIS.
SO THAT'S A RED HERRING TO THROW OUT TO SAY THAT AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT ONCE THE TIA SAYS THAT'S IT IS TIME BECAUSE TIA DIDN'T SAY IT WAS TIME TO DO IT WITH 222 HOUSES.
TIA DIDN'T SAY IT WAS TIME TO DO IT WITH A VALERO GAS STATION.
TI A'S NOT GONNA SAY IT'S TIME TO DO IT WITH A OFFICE COMPLEX.
AND THERE'S NOTHING, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN OUR, OUR STATUTES OR STATE STATUTE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO REQUIRE A CUMULATIVE EFFECT OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE WILL NOT BE A RED LIGHT PUT OUT THERE BY THIS DEVELOPER.
SO MR. CAGE, JUST TO UH, JUMP IN FOR A SECOND.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS ACTUALLY PRETTY SPECIFIC AND IT'S A CUMULATIVE EFFECT.
UH, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT IT IS A CUMULATIVE EFFECT AND THEY'VE GOT TO ADD THEM ALL UP BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, WE'VE NEVER, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH A VALERO AND THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THAT.
MS. ROGERS CAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT.
ALRIGHT, MS. ROGERS, WOULD YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS, UH, TIA ISSUE FOR US AND LET US KNOW.
I UNDERSTAND MR. KATE'S CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT PHASES, IF YOU WILL, OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT COME BEFORE US.
AND NEITHER ONE INDIVIDUALLY WILL TRIGGER A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE.
BUT COLLECTIVELY, OBVIOUSLY WITH 200 SOME HOMES THERE AND A GAS STATION IN THE FUTURE, IT SHOULD.
SO WHAT EXACTLY IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALONG THOSE LINES AND WHAT CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE AS THIS DEVELOPMENT BUILDS OUT? YES.
SO WE HAD THE SAME CONCERNS AND THAT'S HAPPENED IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN.
AND SO SINCE THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WROTE IN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T DEVELOPED PIECE BY PIECE.
AND SO IT ACTUALLY HAS IT SPLIT OUT IN THE APPENDIX OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND IT HAS THE SPECIFIC SPECIFICS ON ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY AND WHICH TRACT OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT.
AND THERE'S IT'S COLOR CODED PIECE OF LAND CORRELATING TO WHEN THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS WARRANTED BECAUSE TDOT WILL REQUIRE IT TO BE WARRANTED.
WE CAN'T JUST COME AND SAY, TDOT, WE WANT A SIGNAL HERE.
THEY, THEY HAVE TO DO THE STUDY TO SHOW THAT IT'S WARRANTED AND PROVE THAT TO TXDOT.
AND THE GAS STATION IS, REMIND ME, IS IT, IT'S NOT IN THE DA IT'S BEEN, YEAH, THE GAS STATION WAS NOT IN THE DA AND SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS DONE SEPARATELY.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING RECENT THEN? NO, IT WAS, UM, MAYBE 20, 20 18, 20 19.
SOMEWHERE AROUND, GOSH, WAS THE GAS STATION THAT LONG AGO? NO, NO.
THE GAS STATION WAS RESEARCHED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THEY, THEY HAD ALREADY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND SO IT WAS DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEY, THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WHO DETERMINES WHO, WHO KEEPS UP WITH THE CUMULATIVE EFFECT EVERY TIME THEY DO ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT? AND WHO DETERMINES WHEN THAT CUMULATIVE EFFECT WARRANTY? IT WILL BE BOTH US AND THEM.
SO WE WILL REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE A TIA CONSISTENCY WORKSHEET.
UM, THEY'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE A TIA WHENEVER THEY START DEVELOPING.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T HAD A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO SUBMIT A TIA BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T REALLY STARTED DEVELOPING YET.
BUT YET THE SECOND THEY START DEVELOPING THAT, ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS IS, IS GONNA BE, WELL, THAT GIVES T OF COMFORT THAT THERE IS PROVISION FOR CUMULATIVE EFFECT.
'CAUSE THAT'S BEEN THE WAY AROUND ALL ALONG.
AND IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE SINGLE FAMILY ALREADY, SO IT'LL BE ACCUMULATING ON TOP OF THE SINGLE FAMILY.
UH, BACK TO POINT NUMBER FOUR.
UH, HAVE YOU GUYS LEGAL GOT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW THAT COULD BE FIRMED UP TO WHERE IT'S NOT EXPLORING? AND POSSIBLY, AND MAYBE WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
UH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN AND LET, UH, MARIA, SO TWO THINGS.
ONE, THIS WAS A VERBAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, WILSON.
THE, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF TEXT O WILL APPROVE IT.
SO WE CAN'T SAY SHALL INSTALL LIGHT IT WARNING LIGHTS IF TDOT DOESN'T APPROVE IT.
NO, I SAID MAKE IT SUBJECT TO TDOT APPROVAL.
WE CAN WE DO SOMETHING BUT ALSO MAKE IT, MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO START RIGHT AWAY, NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN START IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR.
UH, I THINK THERE MUST BE, YEAH, WE CAN REVISE, WE CAN REVISE IT THAT WAY.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I THINK MS. STARK HAD SAID THE CITY ENGINEERS, WELL, MS. ROGERS, YOUR CITY ENGINEER, HAVE YOU ALL APPROACHED TECH STOP WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF INSTALLING TWO WARNING SIGNS, WARNING MOTORISTS TRAVELING IN EACH DIRECTION OF THIS UPCOMING INTERSECTION? SO JEFF CARROLL WAS GOING TO REACH OUT TO TECH STOP? YEAH.
YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT, WHAT
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HIS UPDATE, MY COMMENT CAME FROM MM-HMMWAS THAT JEFF, UH, ACTUALLY SENT AN EMAIL AND SAID THAT HE WAS, WAS EITHER ALREADY HAD DONE IT OR WAS HE HAS LIKE A MONTH MONTHLY CALL.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE A MONTHLY CALL WITH TDOT? SO HE SPEAKS WITH, HE'S ALWAYS GOT HIS LIST OF THINGS AND THAT HE WAS GOING TO ALREADY REACH OUT, BEGIN REACHING OUT AND DISCUSSING IT WITH THEM AND JUST LAYING THE GROUNDWORK AND SEEING WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE.
WELL, I I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT LANGUAGE CHANGE TO, TO, THEY WILL INSTALL THAT UPON TEXTILE APPROVAL.
AND THEN, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP LAST TIME.
ARE THERE ANY NON-CONFORMING LOTS IN THIS NOW THAT IT'S BEEN ZO UH, R TWO N, MS. LINDER? YES.
MS. ROGERS? YES, THERE ARE SOME NONCONFORMING LOTS, HOWEVER, THEY ARE CONSIDERED LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING, SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED.
CAN YOU EXPOUND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? BECAUSE I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING IT SOUNDED LIKE NON-CONFORMING LOTS WOULD ALWAYS, UH, HAVE A, HAVE AN ASTERISK OVER THEM.
UM, CALLING THEM LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING IS THE ASTERISK.
UH, SO BASICALLY THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP BECAUSE, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR SO MANY YEARS AND THEY DO CONFORM WITH, UH, THE MASTER PLAN, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, ALL OF THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE CONSIDERED LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING.
SO IN THE FUTURE, IF SOMEBODY PURCHASES THESE HOMES, UM, AND THEIR MORTGAGE DOES, UM, A REBUILD LETTER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY WILL HAVE TO GET A LETTER FROM US SAYING THAT THEY'RE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING.
UM, AND THEY COULD REBUILD IF NECESSARY.
SO CHANGING FROM R TWO M TO R TWO N REALLY HAD NO IMPACT.
THE FINAL PLAT TONIGHT, UH, HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF LOTS AS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, IN 22 AND 24.
BECAUSE I DON'T EVER WANT KIND OF A SMOKE AND MIRRORS, UH, IMPRESSION FOR OUR CITIZENS TO THINK THAT SOMETHING WAS DONE THAT REALLY WASN'T DONE.
AND SO CHANGING THE ZONING REALLY HAD ZERO IMPACT ON THIS.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER KATES.
I, I TOO HAD THE SAME CONCERN, UH, THAT COMMISSIONER CATES AND COMMISSIONER HYER COMMISSIONER FRIAR HAD WITH NUMBER FOUR.
I DON'T THINK IT DOES ANYTHING.
IT, I DON'T THINK IT ACCURATELY REFLECTS THE COMMITMENT THAT COUNCILMAN WILLISON GOT FROM THE APPLICANT AT CITY COUNCIL.
IT WASN'T JUST A COMMITMENT MR. CRANE, BETWEEN MR. WILLISON AND THE APPLICANT.
IT WAS BEFORE THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL.
I WENT BACK AND REVIEWED THAT AGAIN.
I REVIEWED IT AGAIN PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
AND I BELIEVE, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO STATE THAT THE APPLICANT AGREED TO COOPERATE WITH CITY STAFF IN APPROACHING TDOT TO GAIN APPROVAL FOR TWO WARNING SIGNS, FLASHING LIGHTS, WHATEVER IT IS FOR MOTORIST TRAVELING IN EITHER DIRECTION TO WARN OF THE INTERSECTION UPCOMING.
AND SO I THINK I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT NUMBER FOUR REALLY AS STATED MEANS NOTHING.
SO IF WE APPROVE THIS PLA TONIGHT WITH THESE FIVE CONDITIONS, I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT THE FOURTH CONDITION STATES SOMETHING LIKE THE FOLLOWING, APPLICANT SHALL COOPERATE WITH CITY STAFF TO INCLUDE ANY REQUIRED COST SHARING IN APPROACHING TXDOT WITH A REQUEST TO INSTALL TWO WARNING SIGNS, LIGHTS ON HIGHWAY 46 TO WARN MOTORISTS TRAVELING IN EACH DIRECTION OF THE UPCOMING INTERSECTION BETWEEN HIGHWAY 46 AND SPENCER RANCH BOULEVARD.
I CANNOT MAKE A MOTION, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION TONIGHT ON THIS ITEM AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HYLER? ALRIGHT.
AND COMMISSIONER HAR, WHAT IS YOUR MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE AMENDMENT TO COMMISSION ACTION NUMBER FOUR THAT YOU JUST, UH, UH, ANNOUNCED.
DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED, BUT, WELL, I DON'T EITHER.
I'M NOT SURE I CAN SAY IT AGAIN.
UM, BUT I'M SURE WE'VE GOT A RECORDING OF THIS.
SO, UM, WHATEVER IT WAS I STATED, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE RECORDING AND PULL THAT OUT.
AND, AND I THINK YOUR MOTION IS TO APPROVE WITH THE FIVE CONDITIONS WITH THE CAVEAT BEING THAT THE CONDITION NUMBER FOUR WOULD BE AS I SUGGESTED IT JUST A MOMENT AGO.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER FRIAR.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, CAST YOUR VOTE AND WE'LL REVEAL THE RESULTS.
WE HAVE SEVEN IN FAVOR AND UNOPPOSED.
THE MOTION, UH, MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOLLER.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FRIAR PASSES.
[4.D. Consider approval for a 30-day time extension for Chase Bank Major Development Plat located at 441 West Bandera Road.]
FOUR D, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL FOR A 30 DAY TIME EXTENSION FOR CHASE BANK, MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PLAT LOCATED AT 4 4 1 WEST BENDERA[00:25:01]
ROAD.UM, MS. LINDER, IF YOU'LL JUST BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THAT.
I THINK COMMISSIONER HARLOW JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT SIGNAGE, BUT GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN.
THEN WE'LL GET TO THE ISSUE OF SIGNAGE.
UH, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS ONE.
UM, HOWEVER, IT IS A ONE LOT DEVELOPMENT PLAT, UM, LOCATED ON BANDERA ROAD, UM, UH, NEAR I 10.
AND THIS IS WHERE THE OLD SHELL STATION WAS, CORRECT? EXACTLY, YES SIR.
WELL MUCH BETTER USE THAN SHELL, UM, BUT I KNOW COMMISSIONER HOT HAD A QUESTION ABOUT SIGNAGE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO, WELL MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE, UM, REQUEST ITEM NUMBER TWO.
IT WILL AND USE THIS AS A, AS A OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT.
UM, THE EXTENSION WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS OUTSTANDING COMMENTS AND ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH ALL CITY REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WHAT ARE THOSE CITY REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY'RE, UM, NOT COMPLYING WITH OR UNAWARE OF AT THIS POINT? SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING, UM, WITH THE CITY THROUGH THEIR PLAT APPROVAL AS WELL AS THROUGH THEIR LOC APPROVAL.
UM, AT THIS TIME THE, THE, THERE'S SOME MINOR COMMENTS FOR THE PLAT AND, UH, THE LOC IS PENDING, UM, APPROVAL, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVABLE OR APPROVED BEFORE ELAC CAN BE APPROVED.
THAT IS PART OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AS TO THE SIGN THAT YOU MENTIONED, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AS WELL ABOUT REMOVING IT.
UM, AND THAT WILL BE, UM, THEY'VE ASKED TO, TO PUSH THAT BACK TO THE BUILDING PHASE.
SO IT WILL BE REMOVED BEFORE THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED.
THAT WAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MOBILIZE AND DEMOBILIZE CREWS TO TAKE DOWN THE SIGN, BUT IT WILL BE REMOVED.
AND MAYBE THIS IS WHY WE OPENED IT UP AND PULLED IT OFF THE CONSENT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE SIGN COME DOWN BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE HAPPEN, UM, RATHER THAN, THAN, UH, WAITING TILL CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE, UM, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO JUST MY PERSPECTIVE, CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY HERE TO MM-HMM HERE TO ALLOW FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO, TO SHARE ANY OF THEIR THOUGHTS.
BUT, UM, THE SIGN'S BEEN NON-CONFORMING, UM, FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME AND BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE IS, UH, BROUGHT FORWARD, I'D LIKE TO HEAR A COMMITMENT FROM THE DEVELOPER TO REMOVE THE SIGN.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONER HIGHLER'S AT THIS POINT SINCE THIS IS JUST AN EXTENSION OF TIME, CORRECT? UM, UM, IT'S, IT'S A SUGGESTION CLEAR TO THE APPLICANT.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE TODAY? I BET.
WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? LET'S JUST DO IT THIS WAY.
UM, DID YOU'LL COME FORWARD? STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE AT 57 41 ABBEY DRIVE IN NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA.
OH, YOU CAME ALL THE WAY FROM NEW ORLEANS.
WELL I'M SURE GLAD YOU GOT A CHANCE TO SPEAK THEN.
IS THIS YOUR TRIP TO BERNIE? OH NO, I'VE BEEN HERE LOTS.
YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE SITE AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF? YES.
COME TO CHECK ON IT TO MAKE SURE THE SHELL WAS ACTUALLY COMING DOWN AND THAT THEY HAD DONE EVERYTHING THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL BEFORE WE DID OUR PART.
AND THE GENTLEMAN, WOULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? YES.
UH, MATT CRAIG, 2080 NORTH HIGHWAY 360 IN GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS.
OKAY, SO YOU BOTH TRAVELED WELL, OKAY, GOOD.
I MEAN, I WE'RE DELIGHTED THAT IT'S GONNA BE A CHASE BANK AND NOT A GAS STATION.
UM, I THINK YOU PROBABLY CAN TELL WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE SIGN HAS BEEN AN EYESORE FOR THIS COMMUNITY FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND I KNOW YOU'LL, YOU'VE GOT PLANS TO ADDRESS IT.
I THINK COMMISSIONER HIGHLAND'S COMMENTS IS SOONER IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN LATER.
UM, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE? UH, AS FAR AS ADDRESSING THAT REMOVAL? THAT SIGN IS ACTUALLY ALREADY IN THE BID SET THAT WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN THE CONTRACTOR ON BOARD TO HAVE IT REMOVED.
AND IT IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT IS COMING DOWN.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA START BUILDING A NEW BUILDING AND THEN TAKE DOWN THAT HIGHWAY SIGN.
'CAUSE IT IS, I DON'T WANT IT TO CAUSE DAMAGE TO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING UP.
SO IT WILL BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT COMES DOWN BEFORE WE START DIGGING.
ANY TIMEFRAME PROPOSED TIMETABLE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HOLD YOU TO IT, BUT WHAT WAS YOUR BEST GUESSTIMATE? CONSTRUCTION I KNOW IS ALWAYS LOOSE AS SOON AS WE GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
AH, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET THROUGH YOUR PLA AND YOUR LSCS.
THAT IT OKAY, MR. CRANE, YOU'RE LISTENING A WHILE.
AND WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE NEW SIGN? UM, THE NEW SIGN IS A SMALLER, WHAT CHASE CALLS A BLADE SIGN, WHICH IS ABOUT 25 FEET TALL AND IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET WIDE VERTICAL.
AND IT'LL BE SITTING ON THAT SAME GENERAL AREA, BUT OUTSIDE OF THE EASEMENTS.
SO IT'LL BE ON THE HIGHWAY SIDE.
OTHER QUESTIONS? WELCOME COMMISSIONER FRIAR.
THIS PROBABLY IS A QUESTION MORE FOR STAFF THAN YOU GUYS, BUT I'M GOING BACK IN MY BRAIN TO WHEN WE DISCUSSED A FEW MONTHS AGO, GETTING RID OF THESE PYLON SIGNS IN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
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WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WHEN I'VE VERY BRIEFLY JUST LOOKED AT THAT SITE THAT DENNY'S AND TACO CABANA AND ALL OF THEM WOULD BE IN ONE THAT WOULD BE IDEA MONUMENT SIGN IDEA.IS THAT WHAT THEY WERE CALLED OR YEAH, WE, THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL FOR IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND DO A, WHAT WE CALL FREEWAY PYLON SIGNS AT THAT INTERSECTION, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO REMOVE ANY SINGLE TENANT SIGNS AND COMBINE IT INTO ONE PILOT.
FREEWAY PYLON, MULTI-TENANT SIGN.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS AN ONSITE SIGN VERSUS THE, UH, FREE THE FREEWAY PYLON.
WHAT YOU HAVE UP THERE IS BASICALLY A FREEWAY POLE SIGN RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
WHICH OUR CODE DOESN'T ALLOW ANYMORE.
WHAT THEY'LL NEED TO DO IS COMPLY WITH OUR, UH, EXISTING CODE, WHICH BASICALLY NOT, BASICALLY IT LIMITS TO A MONUMENT STYLE SIGN.
I HAD SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN MY MIND ON 20 AND MONUMENT SIGN IS LIMITED 25 FEET I WOULD GUESS BASED ON WHAT WAS YES.
AND YOU CAN GO UP TO 35 IF YOU DO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND ALL OF THAT.
LAURA NEVER ASKED A QUESTION, DOESN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW YOUR OPINION OF OUR SIGNED CODE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF OUR SIGN REQUIREMENTS ALONG THE, UH, SCENIC CORRIDOR I 10 CORRIDOR, WHICH IS A OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR US? I DON'T FILTER WELL, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME.
MY FILTER IS GOING TO SAY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT OF A SIGN ALONG AN INTERSTATE THAT WILL NOT BE SEEN FROM THE INTERSTATE.
BUT YOU'RE ON A HILL THAT'S NO IF IF YOU GO ON, IF YOU GO ON I 10, IF YOU'RE COMING UP, YOU WILL NOT SEE A SIGN BECAUSE THE HIGHWAY ITSELF IS THAT HEIGHT OR HIGHER THAN WHAT YOUR HEIGHT RESTRICTION ALLOWS.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS.
AND I'M A HAPPY CUSTOMER OF CHASE, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR, OUR CHASE FRIENDS? THANK YOU BOTH FOR TRAVELING SO FAR TO COME TO THIS EVENING.
ALL RIGHT, SO, UM, ITEM STILL BEFORE US TO CONSIDER APPROVAL FOR A 30 DAY TIME EXTENSION FOR CHASE BANK MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PLANT, LOCATED AT 4 41 WEST BENDERA ROAD.
THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER BY SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER FRIAR.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE THEN AND WE'LL REVEAL THE RESULTS AND THAT, UH, THAT PASSES SEVEN IN FAVOR AND UNOPPOSED.
SO 38 TIMES EXTENSIONS GRANTED.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN I GUESS IN 30 DAYS.
[5.A. A request for a Special Use Permit (SUP) to allow automobile parts and parts sales (O’Reilly Auto Parts) in the C2 Zoning District within the Entrance Corridor Overlay District located at 1032 North Main Street.]
NUMBER FIVE, A REGULAR AGENDA REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW AUTOMOBILE PARTS AND PARTS SALE AT O'REILLY AUTO PARTS IN THE C TWO ZONING DISTRICT WITHIN THE ENTRANCE COURT OR OVERLAY DISTRICT LOCATED AT 10 32 NORTH MAIN STREET.ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS JOAN MARIE ANDRADE AND I'M A PLANNER HERE WITH Y'ALL.
UM, THIS PROJECT ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGY MAP BY OFFERING QUALITY CUSTOMER EXPERIENCES AND COLLABORATING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 10 32 NORTH MAIN STREET WITHIN THE EXISTING LIVE OAK SHOPPING CENTER.
THE PROPOSED TENANT SPACE IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND WAS MOST RECENTLY OCCUPIED BY DUKE'S BAR.
ON THE MAP, YOU CAN SEE I MARKED IT WITH A RED, UH, PINPOINT TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE PROPOSED, UM, O'REILLY WILL BE.
AND THIS IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
ACCORDING TO THAT, THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS AUTO ORIENTED COMMERCIAL, WHICH SUPPORTS USES LIKE VEHICLE RELATED SALES AND SERVICES.
THE SITE IS ZONED C TWO TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL AND LIES WITHIN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SURROUNDING ZONING INCLUDES C TWO C3, R TWO M AND CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
UH, THIS IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS MAP AND THERE ARE NO KNOWN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS AFFECTING THE SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IT'S NOT LOCATED WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN OR ANY DRAINAGE PROTECTION ZONE.
UM, THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES FACADE IMPROVEMENTS CONSISTENT WITH O'REILLY BRAND STANDARDS, UM, INTERIOR UPGRADES FOR RETAIL AND STORAGE, AND A TENANT SPACE OF 8,400 SQUARE FEET.
THE BUILDING HEIGHT WILL BE 19 FEET TALL WITH PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
ALL LIGHTING WILL COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S DARK SKY ORDINANCE WITH REGARD TO ACCESS, CIRCULATION AND PARKING ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED VIA THREE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS.
AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THESE LIGHT BLUE ARROWS TWO ON NORTH MAIN STREET AND ONE ON FABRI STREET.
THE SITE OFFERS 48 PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING TWO A DA SPACES AND BENEFITS FROM A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT PROVIDING A TOTAL OF 199 SHARED SPACES.
ENVIRONMENTAL AND UTILITIES CONSIDERATIONS.
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NO INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVER, RESULTING IN MINIMAL STORM WATER IMPACT.LANDSCAPING WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
EXISTING UTILITIES ARE SUFFICIENT TO SERVE THE YOUTH WITH NO NEW EXTENSIONS PROPOSED.
TO RECAP, THE PROPOSED USE ALIGNS WITH THE COM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT COMPLIES WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT AND OVERLAY STANDARDS AND PRESENTS NO IDENTIFIED DESIGN ACCESS OR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.
A BURNING NEIGHBORHOOD DISCUSSION WAS HELD FOR THIS PROJECT ON FEBRUARY 18TH, 2025 WITH TEXT MESSAGE NOTIFICATIONS SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS IN A GEO-TARGETED AREA SURROUNDING THE PROJECT NOTICE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
PUBLIC HEARING WAS PUBLISHED IN THE BERNIE STAR ON MARCH 23RD.
LETTERS WERE SENT TO 29 PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROJECT, AND THE PUBLIC NOTICE WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY ON MARCH 11TH, 2025.
RESIDENT SUBMITTED WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST BASED ON ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN AND COMPLIANCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN THE UDC FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ACCEPT THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW AUTOMOBILE PARTS AND PARTS SALES IN THE C TWO ZONING DISTRICT AND ENTRANCE CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT LOCATED AT 10 32 NORTH NORTH MAIN STREET.
UM, THESE ARE THE MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION, BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, WE HAVE OUR APPLICANT TEAM AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
OKAY, LET'S BRING FORWARD MS. ANDRADE.
UM, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSION, GRIFFIN BOBBIT, 2 2 1 5 WEST CHESTERFIELD, UH, BOULEVARD, SPRINGFIELD, MISSOURI.
HAVE THE OTHER APPLICANT'S BEAT ON.
OH YEAH, TRAVEL
YEAH, IT WAS A GOOD DAY OF TRAVEL, UM, BUT HAPPY TO BE HERE.
UM, ON BEHALF OF KINETIC DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO O'REILLY AUTO PARTS.
UM, THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
STAFF HAS BEEN FANTASTIC THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF HOOPS TO GO THROUGH, UM, DURING THESE, AND SO WE DO THIS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT, UM, YOUR STAFF HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL, SO I JUST WANNA COMMEND THEM FOR THAT AND YOU GUYS FOR GIVING THEM THE, THE KEYS TO SUCCESS THERE.
UM, I DO WANNA BRING UP A SPOT OF REAL ESTATE REAL QUICK, UM, AND MICHAEL TO HAVE HIM KIND OF TALK ABOUT, UM, THEIR EXPERIENCE IN THIS PROJECT, UM, AND SURROUNDING PROJECTS AND KIND OF WHAT THEY WANNA DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
UH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL JERSON.
UH, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERSHIP.
UH, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THREE THINGS THIS EVENING.
I WANTED TO INTRODUCE OUR TEAM THAT'S, UH, SPEARHEADING THIS PROJECT.
I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT A FEW PROJECTS THAT WE, WE'VE RECENTLY DONE, UH, IN SOUTH TEXAS.
UM, AND THEN I WANTED TO MENTION SOME OF THE, UH, IMPROVEMENT I ITEMS WE PLAN ON DOING WITH THE PROJECT.
UH, THE THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEARHEADING THIS PROJECT ARE MYSELF, PRICE, LAKIN, AND THOMAS TING.
UM, THOMAS IS TRAVELING, SO HE COULD NOT BE HERE.
I'M A RESIDENT OF BERNIE, UH, PRICE'S WIFE HAS ACTUALLY WORKED IN BERNIE FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE COLLECTIVELY HAVE ABOUT 75 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN RETAIL REAL ESTATE.
UM, WE, WE SPECIALIZE IN, IN RETAIL.
UH, AND WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
UM, A FEW PROJECTS TO MENTION.
UH, WE DID A, UH, BUILD TO SUIT FOR AT T AND U VALLEY, TEXAS.
UH, IT'S A SINGLE TENANT BUILDING.
UM, WE WERE INVOLVED IN THE LIVE OAK, UH, UM, IT WAS A LIVE OAK DEVELOPMENT IN LIVE OAK, TEXAS.
UM, WE ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE LIVE OAK CONVENTION CENTER, WHICH WAS AN OLD HANDY DAN FROM THE CITY.
UH, AND WE GAVE THE CITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO, KIND OF FULFILL A DREAM, WHICH WAS TO BUILD A, A CONVENTION CENTER RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS.
SO THAT INCLUDED, UM, FIVE PARCELS AND, UM, WE DID STARBUCKS, WE DID BURGER KING, ET CETERA.
UM, THE NEXT DEAL WE DID WAS A DOLLAR TREE, UH, PROJECT IN LAREDO, TEXAS.
UM, THAT PROJECT IS, UH, I THINK FIVE YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT.
UM, WE HAVE OTHER, OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, UM, IN SMALLER COMMUNITIES LIKE BERNIE.
UM, WE'VE BOUGHT, UH, A PROJECT IN MANHATTAN, UH, UH, KANSAS.
UM, AND THEN WE BOUGHT A PROJECT IN CHAMPAIGN, ILLINOIS.
SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH INTERACTING WITH COMMUNITIES, UNDERSTANDING THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF BEING GOOD, UH, CITIZENS, NEIGHBORS, AND, AND PARTNERS.
SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, FIRST OF ALL,
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AGAIN, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT BEING A PART OF THIS PROJECT.UM, BEING A RESIDENT IN BERNIE, I'VE DRIVEN BY THIS PROJECT FOR SEVERAL YEARS, SCRATCHED MY HEAD AND JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON.
UM, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO, UH, PURCHASE THE PROJECT IN DECEMBER OF 24.
UM, I'M SURE YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT.
IT'S, IT'S A NORTH BURN, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, IT HAS HAD VERY LITTLE LOVE AND CARE.
UH, THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A FEW SIMPLE THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE TO THIS PROJECT THAT WILL ENHANCE IT.
UH, AND, AND, AND WE WILL BE PROUD OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SOME OF THOSE THINGS INCLUDE LANDSCAPING AND MAINTENANCE.
UM, WE NEED TENANTS TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUALLY, UH, MAINTAIN AND LANDSCAPE THE PROJECT.
UM, TREE CANOPY MANAGEMENT, UH, EXTERIOR UPGRADES, UM, POWER WASHING, WHICH SOUNDS PRETTY SIMPLE, BUT AGAIN, THAT HAS TO DO WITH HAVING TENANTS IN THE PROJECT AND BEING ABLE TO CONTINUALLY MAINTAIN THE PROJECT AND CLEAN THE PROJECT.
UM, WE PLAN ON, UH, PAINTING THE PROJECT, UH, DOING SOME, UH, PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, WHAT ELSE? UM, SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A ORDINANCE WITH LIGHTING IN THE CITY WE WILL COMPLY WITH WITH THAT LIGHTING ORDINANCE.
UM, UH, AS FAR AS SIGNAGE IS CONCERNED, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PYLON IS LIT.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAN, THAT IT'S PAINTED, ET CETERA.
THERE IS SOME, UH, PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.
UM, THE PROJECT WILL BE RES STRIPPED.
UM, UH, VACANCY ACTIVATION, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO PROVIDE SERVICES AND RETAILERS TO THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE ALL OF OUR CAREER.
WE'VE, WE'VE BOUGHT PROJECTS LIKE THIS, UH, WE'VE IMPROVED THEM.
WE'VE PUT TENANTS IN THE PROJECT.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT.
AND WE'RE ALSO, UM, PRETTY GOOD AT, AT, UH, AT, AT, YOU KNOW, FULFILLING THAT.
UM, AND, UM, PARKING LOT ENHANCEMENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST KEEPING THE, THE, THE, UM, THE CURBS PAINTED, MAKING SURE THEY'RE SAFE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR, FOR, UH, THE COMMUNITY.
I WANTED TO CLOSE OUT AND JUST EXPRESS, UM, AND STRESS THAT WE'RE VERY EXCITED IN BEING PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE WANT TO HELP BUILD THE NORTH SIDE OF BERNIE.
UM, AND WE WANT TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, BE PROUD OF THIS PROJECT AND, AND, AND PROVIDE SOMETHING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO, JUST TO TALK ON SOME OF THE SPECIFICS, AND SOME OF THIS IS KIND OF, UM, DUPLICATED, SO I'LL TRY NOT TO, UM, DO TOO MUCH OF THAT.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE OLD DUKES BAR.
UM, AND AS STAFF, UM, DIDN'T MENTION THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE BEING ADDED.
UM, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, SO NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THERE.
UM, AND THE NOISE LIGHTING AND ENVIRONMENTAL ARE NOT BEING IMPACTED, UM, ABOVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE, UM, OUTSIDE OF YOUR GUYS' UDC, UM, I DID HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE.
HERE WE ARE, EIGHT TO NINE IN OPERATING HOURS.
I THINK WE HAD EIGHT TO SIX IN STAFF.
UM, TYPICALLY WE SEE ABOUT 150 TO 200, UH, CUSTOMERS A DAY.
UM, AT BOTH THE EXISTING LOCATION AND, YOU KNOW, SURROUNDING STORES OF THIS SIZE.
WE TYPICALLY DO ABOUT $2 MILLION AT A STORE.
UM, WHICH AGAIN, JUST ALLOWS US TO POUR BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE'RE VERY COMMUNITY ORIENTED AND CONTINUALLY DO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME O'REILLY STAFF HERE.
UM, AND THEY CAN TALK ABOUT JUST HOW OFTEN THEY GET, YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL CLUBS, THE LOCAL SCHOOLS THAT ARE ASKING FOR DONATIONS AND HOW WILLING THEY'RE TO DO THAT.
AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY ENJOY.
UM, YOU KNOW, O'REILLY IS A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY.
THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, RELATIONSHIPS LIKE THIS WITH THE LANDLORD ARE SO KEY TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND BEING A DRIVER OF AN AREA THAT'S A LITTLE UNDERSERVED.
SO, UM, SOME ASSETS THAT WE ALWAYS LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS, UM, OUR STAFF ARE ALWAYS TRAINED TO DO WINDSHIELD WIPER REPLACEMENTS.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE EXTENT OF OUR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIRS.
UM, WE DO DO BATTERY TE BATTERY AND ALTERNATIVE TESTING.
UM, AND THEN SAFETY CLEAN IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE PROVIDE AS A COMMUNITY SERVICE, UM, ASPECT.
SO THAT'S A COMPANY THAT WE BRING IN, UM, THAT ALLOWS US TO COLLECT USED OIL, UH, OIL.
A LOT OF OTHER PLACES DON'T HAVE THAT, SO THAT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL THING THAT WE DO.
UH, IN ORDER TO, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT GOING INTO LOCAL RIVERS AND DITCHES.
UM, THERE, UM, THIS IS SHOWN AGAIN, UM, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO REVITALIZE THE CENTER, UM, WITHOUT JUST BEING TOO STARK.
SO THIS IS A WAY FINDING PIECE FOR O'REILLY, SOMETHING THAT IS WELL RECOGNIZED, UM, AND WITHIN YOUR CORRIDOR AND YOUR OVERLAY, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY BE A NICE ANCHOR TO THAT CENTER.
UM, BUT WHILST WITH STAYING OF THE CURRENT AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING SIGNAGE, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN CONVERSATION ON THIS, UM, THIS COMPLIES
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WITH EXACTLY COMMISSIONER, WHAT YOU WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT THERE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE MULTI-TENANT SIGNAGE.THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE PLAN TO DO HERE, IS JUST REVITALIZE THAT EXISTING SIGN, UM, WITH AN INFILL THERE.
BUILDING SIGNAGE, AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
UM, THIS IS ALL IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR UDC.
THIS IS STANDARD O'REILLY SIGNAGE.
UM, IT IS LIT, IT'S A BOX SIGN, UM, AND FITS WELL WITHIN YOUR GUYS' GUIDELINES.
UM, WE DO HAVE A SITE PLAN HERE, UM, THAT JUST KIND OF SHOWS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UM, TWISTED HERE.
UM, BUT JUST AN EXERCISE THAT WE WORK THROUGH WITH STAFF JUST TO KIND OF SHOW THAT SHARED PARKING THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, WITH THE ENTIRE CENTER TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AMPLE PARKING, UM, FOR NOT ONLY NOW BUT FOR THE FUTURE AS WELL AS OTHER TENANTS MOVE IN THE ELEVATION.
UH, THE CAVEAT I GIVE HERE IS MOST OF THIS ELEVATION IS BLOCKED BY AN, AN ADJOINING BUILDING.
UM, AND SOME TREES AND SHRUBBERY ON AN ADJOINING PROPERTY.
SO THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE A REALLY BIG WALL, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE IT.
AND THEN OUR FLOOR PLAN, THIS IS KIND OF MY LAST GRAPHIC.
UM, THE REASON THAT WE ALWAYS SHOW THIS IS TO SHOW THAT WE TRULY ARE A RETAIL CENTER.
THERE'S NOT A CAR IN HERE, THERE'S NOT LIFTS, THERE'S NOT JACKS, UM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS, GOES TO SHOW THE AMOUNT OF FIXTURES AND SHELVING THAT WE HAVE IN A STORE, UM, AND TO SHOW THAT WE ARE TRULY A RETAIL USE.
UM, IN CLOSING, YOU KNOW, WE DO THIS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, KINETIC HAS BEEN BLESSED TO WORK WITH O'REILLY FOR YEARS NOW.
UH, WE'VE DONE DOZENS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THESE PROJECTS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, OUR MISSION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT O'REILLY IS A LARGE COMPANY, UM, DOES EVERYTHING IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR GUYS' CODE, THE STATE CODE AND THE FEDERAL CODE.
SO THAT IS WHAT WE CONTINUALLY TO DO.
WHETHER THAT'S LIGHTING, TAS IS A GUIDING FORCE IN OUR RESTROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THOSE ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS MET, UM, HEIGHTS AS WELL.
I KNOW IT'S NOT A PART OF THIS, UM, BUT IT JUST GOES TO SHOW, UH, THE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT O'REILLY IS DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS WELL ENCLOSED, UM, MATCHES THE BUILDING, UM, AND IS IN A NICE MATERIAL.
UM, WE, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A PART OF THE PROCESS, UM, AND THE BUILDING PERMIT AND BUILDING AND SIGNAGE PERMITS ARE TO FOLLOW.
BUT, UM, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS' TIME.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT OUR SIGN ORDINANCE, BUT I, I WILL ASK YOU, IS THIS THE SPACE THAT HAS THE DOCK IN THE BACK? YES, IT IS.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE GONNA CLEAN ALL THAT UP? I MEAN IT'S THAT'S CORRECT.
IT'S BEEN AN EYESORE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
SO WE WILL USE REAR LOADING, UM, FOR THAT DOCK, UM, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE SEMIS PULLING IN AND OUT THE FRONT OF THE PARKING LOT AND BLOCKING OTHER TENANTS OR BLOCKING CUSTOMER SPACES.
ALRIGHT CHRISTOPHER, I WANNA FIRST SAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BELIEVING I CAN'T SEE Y'ALL OVER THERE.
THANK YOU FOR BELIEVING IN THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A LONG TIME FOR SOME OF OUR PROJECTS MAYBE THAT WEREN'T POSITIONED WHERE WE THOUGHT THEY WERE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR OUR TOWN TO CONSIDER THE NORTH END.
SO THANK YOU FOR REVITALIZING THAT.
UM, I THINK ANYTHING YOU DO THERE IS GONNA LOOK BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD FOR A LONG TIME,
SO, BUT I WOULD JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT.
UM, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AND ASKING FOR A HILL COUNTRY FEEL, HILL COUNTRY.
LOOK, OBVIOUSLY THE BRIGHT RED OF THE O'REILLY FRONTAGE IS MAYBE NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HILL COUNTRY ESQUE, BUT JUST A CONSIDERATION AS YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IMPROVING THE, THE, THE ENTIRE PROJECT THERE.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER FERAR? THAT'S IT.
I MEAN, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, IS THE OTHER O'REILLY'S GOING AWAY? NO.
SO THEY'LL BE BOOK YOU'LL BE BOOKEND AND CORRECT BURNING.
O'REILLY SPECIALIZES IN, IN THIS KIND OF PROJECT.
EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID IS BEING AN ANCHOR, UM, BOTH IN A CENTER AND IN AN AREA OF TOWN THAT'S A LITTLE UNDERSERVED.
SO YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT STORE IS DOING VERY WELL AND HAVE NO INTENTIONS TO CLOSE IT ANYTIME SOON.
THE, UM, SHIPPING AND RECEIVING.
SO YOU'RE GONNA UTILIZE THE DOCK IN THE BACK? YES.
SO I'M ASSUMING, IS THAT PAVED NOW OR IS THAT KALICHI? I THINK IT PAVED ESQUE.
IT WAS PAVED AND I THINK THAT IS PART OF SOMETHING.
PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE, FRANKLY IS A MESS AT THE MOMENT, BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'VE GOT THERE.
SO I'M SORRY TO HAVE SKIPPED OVER THAT.
WE ARE, UH, WE PRESENTLY HAVE AN ENGINEER THAT'S DESIGNING THAT, THAT REAR PORTION OF THE, THE LOADING AREA, WHICH IS COMPLETELY OVERRUN BY WEEDS AND FAILING PAVEMENT.
AND SO THAT WILL BE, UH, THAT WILL BE REPLACED WITH CONCRETE.
UH, AND IT WILL AESTHETICALLY IT WILL LOOK MUCH BETTER.
THE FENCE IS COMING DOWN, UH, AND IT IT WILL BE MAINTAINED, BUT WE TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT.
YEAH, NO, THANK YOU FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT.
IT, IT'S, UH, IT LOOKS ALMOST INNER CITY CHICAGO WHEN YOU DRIVE BY
SO, SO JUST IN ADDITION TO THAT, TO THAT QUESTION, UM, WHEN DO Y'ALL, DO Y'ALL RECEIVE PARTS WEEKLY? UM, USUALLY USUALLY DAILY.
DO Y'ALL GET THOSE DURING OPERATING HOURS? DO THEY DO
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TRUCK SCHEDULE.IT DEPENDS ON TOTALLY ON TRUCK SCHEDULE.
YEAH, GO IF WE'VE GOT A REGIONAL MANAGER HERE THAT CAN KIND OF ANSWER THAT A LITTLE BETTER AS WELL.
IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS TOO, MA'AM.
UH, MY NAME IS KATHY GARCIA AND I'M ACTUALLY NOT THE REGIONAL MANAGER.
UM, UH, BUT UM, MY RESIDENCE IS 1903 DEL HAVEN, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
SO I ACTUALLY LIVE IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT I TRAVEL ALL THE WAY OUT TO INGRAM, TEXAS.
SO JUST TO ANSWER A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS TOO ABOUT THE, UH, BRIGHTNESS OF THE RED, UH, WE ALSO OWN THE HE LOTUS AREA.
UM, I ALSO, UM, FORESEE THAT THAT LOCATION AND THEY ASKED THE SAME THING ALSO.
SO WE KIND OF TONE DOWN THE RED COLOR IN THAT AREA.
SO WE HAVE, UH, FREDERICK, FREDERICKSBURG, TEXAS, UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, THE NEW LOCATION, INGRAM, TEXAS AND KERRVILLE, TEXAS.
SO WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS OF REQUESTS AND WE HAVE, UM, ALSO GONE THROUGH THAT ALSO.
AND WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? I'M SO SORRY.
IT WAS HOURS OF HOURS OF LOADING PRODUCT.
AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, SO FAB, WHICH ORDERS THE BACK, WHAT'S, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE A STATIC TO SEE YOU GUYS COME IN.
BUT ON THE OPERATING SIDE, IF, IF YOU GUYS ARE DROPPING PARTS AT 1:00 AM AND THERE'S RESIDENTIAL BACK THERE AND YOU'RE DOING A THREE POINT TURN, WHETHER IT'S AN 18 WHEELER OR A BOBTAIL, WHATEVER, YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL USE FOR 18 WHEELER FOR DROPS, BUT, UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF, IF THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE BACK THERE MM-HMM
TO SAFELY MANEUVER AND ALSO WHAT YOUR HOURS OF OPERATIONS OR DROPS WERE BECAUSE 18 WHEELERS ARE LOUD.
THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, AND AND SHINING THE HEADLIGHTS ON.
I THINK THERE'S A, A LARGER PROPERTY KIND OF ON ONE SIDE AND, AND THEN THERE'S THE, THE OTHER, UH, TRIPLEXES OR SOMETHING OVER AROUND.
BUT JUST WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMITS, ONE OF, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT WE DO NO HARM OR DISTURB MM-HMM
AND, UM, SO I WAS, I WAS CURIOUS AS TO YOUR HOURS OF OPERATIONS FOR 18 WHEELER DELIVERIES AND IF THAT COULD BE A ADJUSTED ADJUSTED YES.
UM, LIKE RIGHT NOW THE BERNIE CURRENT LOCATION RIGHT NOW HAS AN RV PARK RIGHT BEHIND IT.
UM, WE'VE TAKEN ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ALSO.
SO ROUTING IF NEEDED, IF NEED BE, WE DO NEED TO CHANGE HOURS OF OPERATION, OF DROP DROP OFFS.
WE DO HAVE A MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, THERE IS NO TRUCK ON SUNDAY AND MONDAY, UM, WE DO GET DELIVERIES, UH, NIGHTLY SOMETIMES AT 12 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
THE LATEST PROBABLY ABOUT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
UM, SO JUST DEPENDING ON AREAS, BUT THEY WOULD BE ROUTED DIFFERENTLY.
UM, I'M PRETTY SURE WE'D ROUTE IT WITH THE NEW, WITH THE, THE BERNIE THAT CURRENTLY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE WOULD JUST LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE.
MY CONCERN TOO, WAS THE 18 WHEELER COMING INTO THAT BACK AREA.
UM, SO FROM SECOND'S PRETTY TIGHT.
FROM WHAT I'M TOLD, UM, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KIND OF CLEAN UP THAT AREA AND KIND OF SEE IF WE NEED TO REMOVE THE FENCING IN THAT AREA SO THAT THAT 18 WHEELER WOULD HAVE, UH, ENOUGH ROOM TO GET BACK THERE SAFELY.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO TO A, A, LIKE A HOT SHOT TYPE FOR? I I, I MEAN I KNOW IT'S MORE EXPENSE FOR BERNIE ONLY, BUT, UM, I MEAN WE'VE GOT REQUIREMENTS AROUND TRASH PICKUP AND THE COMPANIES THAT WE USE AND THEIR TRUCKS AND HOURS AND, UM, TO WHERE WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING MORE MANAGEABLE.
OH YES, DEFINITELY WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT ALSO.
THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS YOUR, YOUR CORES, BATTERIES AND, AND STUFF.
IS THAT ALL STORED INSIDE? THAT'S ALL STORED INSIDE? YES, SIR.
AND WE DO DELIVER THOSE AS THE TRUCK PICKS UP NIGHTLY TOO.
THEY DO GET SHIPPED OFF NIGHTLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR ONE? UH, MR. SENNO? YES.
UM, ECHO, WELL I THINK IT'S PROBABLY FOR EVERYONE, BUT, UH, ECHO WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONER SAID ABOUT, UH, APPRECIATING THE ATTENTION TO THAT PART OF TOWN.
UM, ONE QUESTION MIGHT EVOLVE INTO MORE, BUT, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE O'REILLY MIGHT BE THE FIRST PROJECT WITHIN THE BROADER PROJECT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE AS IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, THE VISION IS FOR MORE TENANTS TO COME IN AND THEN START TO, UH, FILL IT OUT.
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UM, DESIGN STANDARDS FOR O'REILLY.HOW WILL THAT BLEND WITH THE REST OF THE PROJECT? ARE THERE COMMON DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA TIE IT ALL TOGETHER SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU JUST KIND OF PUT THINGS TOGETHER AS, AS THEY CAME ALONG? YES.
SO THE RED IS REALLY OUR STATEMENT PIECE.
UM, BUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING THAT IS KIND OF GETTING OUTFITTED ON OUR TENANT SPACE, UM, HAS BEEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE LANDLORD.
SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S GOT A COHESIVE LOOK.
UM, WITH, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF PAINTING, UM, SOME EFIS UPGRADES I THINK WE REMOVED TO CANOPY, UM, AND AN AWNING THERE, UH, AS WELL.
SO MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT CONSISTENT BRANDING, UM, ACROSS THE, THE ENTIRE CENTER.
IS THE COMMON, UM, ELEMENT GOING TO BE THE EXISTING BRICK FACADE AND THE METAL? YEAH, I DON'T, DON'T FORESEE THE STONE, UM, GOING AWAY, BUT I DO THINK THAT MOST OF THE AWNINGS WILL BE GONE, UM, AS TENANTS COME IN AND USE THOSE FOR SIGNAGE.
SO THE, THE THOUGHT IS THAT, UH, THE, THE AWNING, THE METAL METAL I GUESS, UM, YEAH.
AWNING FACADE THAT'LL BE REPLACED.
BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE KEEP KIND OF THE HERITAGE OF THAT STONE, UM, THAT'S ON THE BUILDING NOW.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER SENIO? COMMISSIONER? YES.
THESE QUESTIONS MAY BE MORE ALIGNED FOR CITY STAFF.
UM, FIRST ON THE PARKING, I THINK IT, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE INGRESS EGRESS, UH, THAT'S IN YOURS AND THAT MAY BE ON CITY PRESENTATION.
SO IN, IN THE A IS IT REFERENCES THREE POINTS, UM, FOR INGRESS EGRESS AND IT REFERENCES ONE ON, UH, NORTH SCHOOL STREET.
IS THAT NOT IN INTENDED TO BE USED? NO, I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A TYPO.
THERE ISN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN INGRESS OR EGRESS ON SCHOOL STREET.
I MAY BE MISTAKEN, BUT THERE WAS, UM, DID I, IM PRETTY SURE THERE IS.
IS THERE, YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE THERE IS.
AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF A CHANGE THAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED OR NO, THERE'S NO CHANGE.
THAT WOULD JUST BE AN ERROR ON, ON MY PART FOR THE, FOR THE STAFF REPORT.
AND THEN WHAT IS THE TOTAL OF THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER.
WHAT'S THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE? I, I, I LOOKED AT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND IT STATED 57,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND SO THEN THIS IS ALONG THE LINES OF PARKING.
UM, WELL, LET ME ASK THIS FIRST QUESTION OR NEXT QUESTION.
UM, OF ALL OF THE BUSINESS, IT WAS REFERENCED THAT THERE'S A, A PARKING SPOT FOR EVERY 175 SQUARE FEET.
OF GROSS FLOOR AREA? THAT'S, UH, WELL, THAT'S BASED ON OUR CURRENT PARKING, UH, MINIMUM PARKING REGULATIONS.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW LONG THIS SHOPPING CENTER HAS BEEN IN OPERATION AND WHETHER IT WAS HELD TO THAT SAME STANDARD WHEN IT WAS DEVELOPED.
UM, APPLYING THAT METHODOLOGY, I THINK IT'S STATED THAT THERE'S CURRENTLY 199 SPACES AND WITH 175 SQUARE FEET, THERE WOULD BE A NEED FOR 329, UM, SPACES.
SO IT, IT'S NOT A CONCERN NOW.
BUT WHEN YOU FACTOR IN DOLLAR TREE, WHICH IS KIND OF IN THE CORNER THERE, AND THEN O'REILLY AND WE START TO BUILD OUT OTHER SPACE, IS, IS THERE ENOUGH PARKING, UM, NOT NECESSARILY FOR THESE TWO, BUT FOR THESE OTHER BUSINESSES? OR IS THE 175 SQUARE FEET DIFFERENT FOR OTHER BUSINESSES? SMALLER SPACES, LARGER SPACES? I DON'T, EXCUSE ME, KNOW THAT PART OF THE UDC? YES.
I THINK THE ONLY, UM, USE THAT WOULD CHANGE IS IF THERE WERE A, UM, A RESTAURANT THAT MADE UP MORE THAN 25% OF THE OVERALL USAGE, THEN THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER, UM, WE WOULD CONSIDER IT SORT OF AS AN ILLEGALLY NON-CONFORMING USE IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH PARKING IS AVAILABLE.
UM, WELL, I WE'RE TAKING IT AS IT IS 'CAUSE IT'S A, IT'S ALREADY A BUILT OUT SHOPPING CENTER.
SO WITH, UM, EVERY TENANT THAT COMES IN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHARING, IT'S A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT.
THE ONLY TIME WE WOULD, I THINK, REQUIRE MORE PARKING OF THEM WOULD BE THROUGH, IF THEY WERE TO HAVE A LARGE RESTAURANT COME IN.
OTHERWISE, ANY OTHER USE THAT COMES IN, UM, WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH KIND OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, USE TYPE.
SO THEN THE, THE REFERENCE ON PARKING AND, AND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT DON'T REALLY APPLY TO THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
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I AM NOT FOLLOWING, I'M SORRY.WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, IT WAS REFERENCED IN THE A IS THAT, HEY, THERE'S, UM, AMPLE PARKING AND YES.
IN REVIEWING THAT, UM, AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE TOTAL SHOPPING CENTER.
AND SO THERE ACTUALLY IS NOT SO WHEN, WHEN IT COMES, BUT, SO THEN, YES, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR LINE OF THOUGHT IS GOING.
I I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE CAN ONLY EVALUATE THE USE AND WHAT'S RE WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THE USE.
SO FOR O'REILLY AUTO PARTS TO GO IN, THEY NEED AT LEAST 48 PARKING SPOTS, TWO OF WHICH ARE A DA.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO WRITING THE STAFF REPORT AND, UM, AND EVALUATING WHETHER THE SPECIAL IT MEETS ALL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, I CAN ONLY DO IT FOR THE USE.
IT'S NOT FOR THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER, JUST, UM, THE ONE PARTICULAR USE THAT REQUIRES OKAY.
AND THEN, DO WE KNOW, DO WE HAVE AN APPROXIMATE NEED OR USAGE THAT THE DOLLAR TREE WOULD HAVE? THEY DID NOT HAVE TO COME FORWARD.
THEY DO FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, I THINK SINCE THEY DON'T NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THEY'RE CONSIDERED JUST GENERAL RETAILING, WHICH FITS IN THE, UH, SHOPPING CENTER USE TYPE FOR THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
SO IT WOULD BE BASED ON THEIR, UM, THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE, ONE FOR EVERYONE.
AND THEN THE, THE, THE 8,400 SQUARE FEET, IS THAT, UM, ALL RETAIL SPACE, OR IS IT WAREHOUSE SPACE AS WELL? NO, IT, IT, IT'S ALL RETAIL.
I THINK I ALSO WANNA SAY LIKE I'M, THIS IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT MM-HMM
FOR THE AREA, SO DON'T BE NERVOUS THAT I'M BEING VERY DETAILED ON PARKING.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK FURTHER DOWN THE LINE.
YOU HAVE DOLLAR TREE AND O'REILLY, AND THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE.
AND THEN DO WE HAVE A A, A PARKING SITUATION OR TRAFFIC? I'M ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS THE FOUR CORNERS, UM, WHICH IS A PROBLEMATIC INTERSECTION.
IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT GONNA BE IMPACTED BY THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT NECESSARILY, BUT IT'S A, UM, IT'S NOT A DESIRABLE AREA TO GET STUCK IN DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, REALLY, IF IT'S 178 CUSTOMERS PER DAY, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 15 VISITS PER HOUR.
SO IT'S NOT, UM, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
BUT I WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY THOSE QUESTIONS, UM, AND SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I WAS TRYING TO DO SOME DILIGENCE THERE.
UM, REALLY, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I'M SUPPORTED, SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE PROJECT AND THE ANYTHING I CAN, SO AGAIN, WE, WE DO THIS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
I BET I GET THIS PARTICULAR COMMENT MORE THAN ANY OTHER, THIS AND OIL ARE THE TWO QUESTIONS THAT I GET THE MOST.
UM, SO SHARED PARKING IS A HUGE THING FOR US.
SO WE WRITE IT INTO ALL OF OUR LEASES, UM, BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS IT A CONCERN FOR YOU GUYS, BUT IT'S A CONCERN FOR US.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A A HUNDRED OTHER TENANTS THAT ARE TAKING UP ALL OF OUR PARKING.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR REAL ESTATE TEAM, YOU KNOW, LOOKS AT VERY CAREFULLY.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE CIVIL ENGINEERS THAT LOOK AT IT AS WELL AND KNOW KIND OF THE O'REILLY, UM, NEEDS.
UM, AND THAT, THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE NATURE OF IT.
UM, WE REALLY WORK WITH THE LANDLORD A LOT TO SAY, HEY, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN, UM, THINGS THAT ARE ALL GONNA BE AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, DOLLAR STORES OR STUFF LIKE THAT ARE VERY CONSISTENT WITH US.
UM, SO THEY'RE VERY SPREAD OUT.
UM, SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ALL JAMMING INTO A TWO HOUR WINDOW ON A WEDNESDAY.
IS, IS KIND OF OUR, OUR ASK OF THEM AS WELL.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER? HOTTER.
THAT'S ALL, ALL GOOD QUESTIONS.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
UM, CAN I ASK THE FUTURE REGIONAL MANAGER TO COME BACK UP HERE FOR A SECOND?
I THINK YOU MADE A COMMENT, AND I'LL WAIT TILL YOU GET THERE, ABOUT MAKING DELIVERIES AT MIDNIGHT AND 2:00 AM IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE WITH THIS LOCATION? UM, I WAS JUST ASKING THE ASSISTANT MANAGER TOO.
WE DID, UM, CHANGE THE ZONE THERE TILL, AND THEY ACTUALLY GET THEIR DELIVERY AT 10 O'CLOCK.
I, I'D FEEL MUCH BETTER ABOUT THAT.
AND I WONDER BECAUSE THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL NOT FAR FROM HERE.
IF I WERE LIVING THERE, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T WANT HERE AIR BRAKES, BIG BRAKE LIGHTS, WHATEVER IT IS.
BRAKE LIGHTS AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, ANY OBJECTION IF WE LIMITED HOURS OF DELIVERY FROM, LET'S SAY BETWEEN 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH PRACTICE AND, AND BE, UM, ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? YES.
WE'RE GOOD WITH WHATEVER THE NEEDS ARE.
I CAN SEE WHY SHE'S GONNA BE A FUTURE REGIONAL.
ALWAYS WILLING TO WORK WITH US.
THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN I'VE GOT, IS I WANNA BE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE DELIVERIES AT MIDNIGHT OR 2:00 AM AND SUP GIVES US THE RIGHT TO PUT A RESTRICTION ON THAT.
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SHE SAID THAT 10:00 PM CUTOFF IS SUFFICIENT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 7:00 AM IN THE MORNING, 10:00 PM AT NIGHT.SO OUR EXISTING RESIDENTS THERE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ODD HOUR DELIVERIES.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, IS THERE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE SUP, MR. CHAIRMAN? MAYBE ONE MORE COMMENT? SURE.
UM, IN A, IN ALIGNMENT WITH COMMISSIONER FRIAR'S REQUEST TO SOFTEN THE, THE RED COLOR, HOW, HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT INCLUDING THAT IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? KNOWING I I, I, I DON'T KNOW MY, I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SHADES OF RED.
WELL, THEY GAVE US THE, IT WAS A SHERWIN WILLIAMS POSITIVE SHADE, WASN'T IT? IT WAS, IT WAS LISTED IN THE MATERIALS.
UM, IS THAT YOUR STANDARD O'REILLY RED? THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR, OUR BRAND STANDARDS, YES.
UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THEIR DESIRE TO, TO MAINTAIN BRANDING.
UM, THE REST OF THE STONE FACADES GONNA STAY AS IT IS JUST CLEANED.
WE'VE CLEANED AND, AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF PAINT, UM, TO, TO MATCH THAT.
'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME EXISTING AREAS THAT WILL NOT, THAT ARE NOT SEEN RIGHT NOW.
NOW HERE'S A GOOD QUESTION, THOUGH.
I'VE SEEN MANY REDS THAT WILL FADE IN THE TEXAS SUN.
YOU'RE FROM MISSOURI, YOU DON'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN TEXAS.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FADING REDS.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, HOW O'REILLY ADDRESS THAT? I THINK ABOUT, UH, 14% OF OUR 6,300 LOCATIONS ARE IN TEXAS.
SO, UH, TEXAS SUN IS SOMETHING WE DEAL WITH OFTEN.
UM, WE HAVE, WE, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIALS THAT WE USE ARE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT, UM, FOR DURABILITY.
BUT ALSO WE HAVE A, A REVOLVING MAINTENANCE TEAM THAT GOES AROUND AND TAKES CARE OF THOSE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY FADING.
I MEAN, THE, THE SOUTH SIDE STORE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE.
I MEAN, I DROVE BY AGAIN TODAY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THAT TO BE COHESIVE.
UM, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S KNOWN AND SEEN.
THOUGHTS, OTHER THOUGHTS? THAT RED'S ALREADY IN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR OR ON ONE END OF TOWN, YOU THE OTHER THAT'S WE'RE BOOKING.
SO THIS, WE'RE CLEARLY AT RED COUNTY, SO THERE YOU GO.
YOU KNOW, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UM, WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BYRD, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER C.
DOES YOUR MOTION INCLUDE IT? IT INCLUDES, UH, DELIVERY HOURS TO BE, UH, AMENDED TO 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM ALRIGHT.
AND THAT'S, YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH THAT.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO.
PERFECT THEN LET'S CAST THOSE OUT AND WE WILL REVEAL THE RESULTS.
ALRIGHT, PASSES SEVEN IN FAVOR AND UNOPPOSED.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE 'CAUSE I LIVE WITHIN A MINUTE OF HERE, SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE ALL THIS COMING TO FRUITION.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR TRAVELING, COMING DOWN THIS EVENING.
[6.A. Discuss future land use and proposed development of 727A Johns Road.]
UP, UH, IS A DISCUSSION ITEM SIX A, UM, DISCUSS THE FUTURE LAND USE AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF 7 27 A JOHNS ROAD.AND, AND I, I, BY THE WAY, JUST AS A BACKGROUND, 'CAUSE COMMISSIONER KATES REACHED OUT TO ME THIS MORNING AND I REACHED OUT TO COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, TO, UH, DIRECTOR CRANE, UH, TO INCLUDE SORT OF A GENERAL HISTORY OF THE WHOLE AREA AND THE PLATTING, UH, HISTORY OF NOT JUST THIS PROPERTY, BUT THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT, ESPECIALLY THE ONE I THINK MR. KATES.
IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND IH 10 ON THE EAST SIDE OF IH 10.
MS. LEONARD, I WANNA STEAL YOUR THUNDER BOOK.
SO, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, WELL FIRST, THIS IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR STRATEGY MAP WITH C ONE AND C3.
UM, SO AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM TONIGHT.
UM, THIS IS 7 27 A JOHNS ROAD.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS CARTER FELD HOFF, UM, AT CENTRAL LINE ENGINEERING AND CONSULTING.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS MR. SPINELLI.
UM, THE CURRENT USE IS MOSTLY UNDEVELOPED.
HOWEVER, THERE IS, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON SITE THAT IS, UM, NOT REALLY, UM, HABITABLE, UM, HERE, EVEN THOUGH THE ADDRESS IS JOHNS ROAD.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S ACTUALLY OFF OF JOHNS ROAD BETWEEN, UM, VILLAS AT HAMPTON AND, UM, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX HERE.
AND I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE TRACT THAT YOU WERE POINTING OUT BETWEEN ATTEN AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TONIGHT.
UH, SO THE PROPERTY OWNER IS INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY.
UM, THEY HAVE STARTED ANNEXATION AND ZONING PROCEDURES.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, UH, THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO PAUSE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE LAND USE WA WAS IN ALIGNMENT, THAT Y'ALL'S VISION
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AND HIS VISION FOR THE SITE IS IN ALIGNMENT.SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT NIGHT.
SO HERE IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
AS A REMINDER, EVERY PROPERTY INSIDE, UH, BAYTOWN CITY LIMITS AND IN OUR ETJ, UM, HAS A FLA, UH, EXCUSE ME, A FLUME, A FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION.
THIS PROPERTY IS TRANSITIONAL RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS SEEN AS A BUILDING BLOCK TO ZONING.
SO THIS WAS ADOPTED IN, UM, 2020 WHEN THE NEW UDC WENT THROUGH, EXCUSE ME, IN 2018, UH, RIGHT BEFORE THE NEW UDC WENT THROUGH AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN.
SO THIS PROPERTY TONIGHT, AGAIN, STILL IN THE GREEN, IS TRANSITIONAL RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH OF IT.
IT'S ALSO TRANSITIONAL RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S THIS ORANGE COLOR TO THE EAST.
IT CONTINUES THIS TREND OF TRANSITIONAL RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS THIS BLUE IS PUBLIC AND INSTITUTIONAL TO THE SOUTH.
WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL THAT'S THIS YELLOW.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE YELLOW AND THE ORANGE ON HERE.
AND TO THE WEST WE HAVE AUTO ORIENTED COMMERCIAL.
SO TRANSITIONAL RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE DESIGNED FOR HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING, UH, WITH A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES, DISTINCT FROM LOWER DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.
AGAIN, THAT'S THIS YELLOW DOWN HERE.
UM, THESE AREAS ARE AUTO ORIENTED WITH STREETS, DRIVEWAYS, PARKING, AND GARAGES AS DOMINANT FEATURES AS MOST PLACES ARE IN TEXAS.
UM, THEY, THIS AREA, THE TRANSITIONAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, SHOULD SERVE AS A BUFFER BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, THE YELLOW, AND MORE INTENSIVE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, SUCH AS, UH, THE AUTO ORIENTED COMMERCIAL ON I 10.
SO WITH THAT, YOU CAN SEE WHY IN 2018 THESE WERE THE DESIGNATIONS THAT WERE SELECTED FOR THE AREA.
UM, WE HAVE HIGHER COMMERCIAL, WE HAVE, UM, HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN WE HAVE LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
SO PRIMARY LAND USES IN THIS TRANSITIONAL RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY ARE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, PERSONAL CARE AND PARKS.
SECONDARY LAND USES ARE, UM, ASSEMBLY USES SUCH AS SCHOOLS, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED BED AND BREAKFAST AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT WITHIN CITY LIMITS, UH, AT THIS TIME THAT ANNEXATION HAS BEEN REQUESTED, BUT IT IS NOT WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
UM, ALL THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING IT IS WITH WHERE MY CURSOR GO.
OH, HERE WE'RE, UH, IS WITHIN CITY LIMITS, BUT THIS TRACK IS NOT.
SO THAT'S WHY IT DOES NOT HAVE A ZONING CATEGORY.
TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE R FOUR OWL, WHICH IS LOW DENSITY, UH, MULTIFAMILY TO THE EAST.
WE HAVE CIVIC, WHICH IS, UM, CIVIC AND INSTITUTION.
TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE R TWO M AND TO THE WEST WE HAVE C3, WHICH IS OUR COMMERCIAL, UH, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
UM, ALSO ALONG I 10, WE HAVE THE SCENIC INTERSTATE CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND THAT'S THIS, UH, FUCHSIA COLOR THROUGH HERE.
SO WHEN THIS PROPERTY IS ANNEXED, IT WILL BE WITHIN THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT AS WELL.
SO THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS AND SOME OTHER CONSTRAINTS WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
UM, THIS IS ABOUT SIX AND A HALF ACRES, JUST SHY OF IT, IT'S ABOUT 6.4.
THERE IS A-D-P-Z-A DRAINAGE WAVE PROTECTION ZONE ONE AND TWO.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT HERE ON THE MAP.
UH, IT DOES ACTUALLY EXTEND THROUGH HERE.
SO IT DOES CROSS, UM, THIS TRACK, EAST AND WEST.
UH, WE'LL SEE ANOTHER DIAGRAM HERE IN A MINUTE.
BUT THAT DOES PROVIDE, UM, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINT ON THIS SITE.
SOME OTHER ONES WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY ACCESS.
SO RIGHT HERE WITH OUR, UH, RED ARROW, THIS IS HAMPTON WAY.
THIS IS A CUL-DE-SAC, A LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.
UH, IT DOES END RIGHT HERE AT THE END OF THE SUBDIVISION.
AND THAT IS THE ONLY RIGHT OF WAY THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS ACCESS TO.
SO HERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, MARKED IN THIS, UM, KIND OF UGLY BROWN ORANGE IS A CROSS ACCESS, UH, ROAD.
SO THIS IS A PRIVATE, UM, A ROAD.
IT IS NOT PUBLICLY OWNED OR MAINTAINED.
UH, AND WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
AND THE OTHER CONSTRAINT I MENTIONED IT BEFORE, IS THAT THERE IS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THIS SITE.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY A STATE, UH, HISTORIC RECORDED STRUCTURE.
SO IN ADDITION TO NEEDING, UH, HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION APPROVAL FOR ANY, UH, DEMOLITION, ANY MOVEMENT OR ANY
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RENOVATION, IT WOULD ALSO NEED STATE REC, UH, STATE PERMISSION.OKAY, SO HERE IS OUR ADJACENT PLAT.
SO LET ME LAY OUT SOME OF THIS BACKGROUND AS YOU'VE REQUESTED.
SO IN 2005, JOHN'S CROSSING, UM, SUBDIVISION PLAT WAS APPROVED.
IT WAS THEN, UM, ADMINISTRATIVELY AMENDED IN 2016.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
UM, AND THEN LATER IN 2018, THEY DID COME THROUGH AND DO A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, THEY DID REQUEST A VARIANCE IN, UH, THE END OF 2019, UH, BEGINNING OF 2020.
THAT VARIANCE WAS, UH, ESSENTIALLY JUST A PLAT EXTENSION.
THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS PROCESSED.
UM, AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
HOWEVER, FINAL PLAT WAS NOT, UM, FILED, SO THAT WAS NEVER RECORDED.
SO THE 2016 PLAT IS STILL IN EFFECT.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE COLORS MATCH.
SO WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE SAME GREEN.
AND THEN IN THIS, UM, MUDDY ORANGE, WE HAVE THAT, UH, UM, ACCESS EASEMENT THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
AND IT DOES CUT THROUGH, LET ME SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE.
IT DOES CUT THROUGH AT THE HOTEL HERE THROUGH KIND OF THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
AND THAT'S HOW IT ACCESSES, UM, THE FEEDER ROAD OF I 10.
SO ADDITIONALLY, THIS PROPERTY IN QUESTION, UM, DOES HAVE ACCESS TO THAT, UH, PRIVATE, UM, ACCESS, CROSS ACCESS ROAD.
IT, IT IS 25 FEET IS WHAT THEIR AGREEMENT HAS.
UM, AS THIS BOARD MIGHT REMEMBER LAST YEAR, UH, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE UDC TO CHANGE OUR FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS FROM 25 FEET TO 26 FEET.
SO NOW FOR FIRE ACCESS, WE DO REQUIRE A 26 FOOT, UM, ACCESS.
OKAY, SO NOW LET'S KIND OF JUMP INTO WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.
SO AGAIN, THERE IS NO PLAT ON THIS PROPERTY AS OF NOW.
THIS, WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY IS A DRAFT.
IT HAS NOT BEEN FILED, IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED.
SO NONE OF THAT HAS HAPPENED YET.
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS THEY HAVE PETITIONED FOR ANNEXATION, UM, THAT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED.
THEY HAVE PETITIONED FOR R 3D ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS DUPLEX RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS 34 LOTS.
AND THE WAY IT WOULD WORK, UM, IS A DUPLEX WHICH SIT ACROSS A LOT.
SO IT WOULD BE ONE UNIT AND THEN THE SECOND UNIT.
SO THEY WOULD EACH BE ON INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED LOTS.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 34 UNITS ON THIS DRAFT DESIGN AND NOT TWICE THAT MANY.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, THEY WERE ALSO PROPOSING TO KEEP THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON SITE.
AGAIN, THIS WOULD REQUIRE, UM, APPROVAL BY THE DIFFERENT HISTORIC BOARDS, BUT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP IT ON SITE AND JUST MOVE IT OVER HERE.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO EXTEND HAMPTON WAY, AGAIN, IT'S THAT CUL-DE-SAC AT THE SOUTH END OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TO EXTEND IT UP AND THEN PROVIDE A SECONDARY ACCESS ONTO THE, UM, ACCESS EASEMENT.
AGAIN, THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED 25 FEET, SO IT'S NOT THE REQUIRED 26 FEET FOR FIRE.
SO TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, THEY HAVE A PRIVATE EMERGENCY SERVICES, UM, INGRESS AND EGRESS HERE THROUGH THE SCHOOL PROPERTY.
NOW, NOTE THAT ALL OF THAT WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE BECAUSE OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES TWO POINT OF ENTRANCE FOR, UH, ON PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY FOR SUBDIVISIONS OVER 30 LOTS.
UM, NOW THIS, THIS IS HOW THE SAUSAGE GETS MADE.
SO THESE ARE THE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS WE AS STAFF HAVE WITH DEVELOPERS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT PROCESSES AND THE OPTIONS THEY HAVE.
THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IS GOING TO COME.
THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, FLEX IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AT THIS TIME THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS.
IF THEY HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT WILL GO THROUGH OUR NORMAL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THEY HAVE INITIATED THE ANNEXATION AND THE REZONING PROCESS.
UM, AND THEN WE DID PAUSE IT SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
HOWEVER, WE DID HOLD A, UH, BURNING NEIGHBORHOOD DISCUSSION MEETING.
WE HAD QUITE A FEW, UM, NEIGHBORS COME IN AND ASK QUESTIONS.
THERE WERE SOME DESIGN QUESTIONS.
UM, THERE WAS NO OVERALL DISLIKE OF HAVING DUPLEX IN
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THE AREA.THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS, UM, BUT THE, THE APPLICANT MET WITH THEM AND I THINK THEY, THEY HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATIONS.
WE ALSO SEND OUT NOTICES FOR THAT REZONING.
AND WE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR FROM THE, UH, FROM A HOMEOWNER TO THE SOUTHERN NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE IN OPPOSITION.
UM, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE COMMERCIAL LAND OVER ON THIS SIDE.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, ALL THE DETAILS OF HOW, UM, THE LOT LAYOUT WILL BE AND ALL THE ACCESS WILL WILL HAPPEN THROUGH THE NORMAL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
BUT WE WANNA SHIFT BACK TO THE LAND USE AND AGAIN, MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THE OWNER IS ENVISIONING FOR THE SITE ALIGNS WITH Y'ALL'S VISION FOR THE AREA AS WELL.
UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GET ALL THAT WORKED OUT BEFORE WE GET TOO DETAILED.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, THE OWNER AND THEIR APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
OTHERWISE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK FROM Y'ALL.
OKAY, MR. SPINELLI IS SIGNED UP AND NORMALLY I WOULD CALL YOU NOW, BUT WE'VE GOT A COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HOLLERER HAS TO LEAVE SOON TO CATCH A FLIGHT TO DENVER.
SO I'D LIKE TO PIVOT A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL FOR US, BUT I'LL PIVOT TO COMMISSIONER HYLER IF HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
I'D LIKE HIM TO ASK HIM NOW, UM, BEFORE HE LEAVES.
UM, IT'S HARD TO GET A FLIGHT TOMORROW MORNING WITH THE, UH, FINAL FOUR IN SAN ANTONIO
SO JUST A HEADS UP, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT.
UM, THE, THE, THE MAIN CONCERN, OR I THINK CHALLENGE WITH THIS ENTIRE OPPORTUNITY, I FOLLOWED THIS ON THE BOND MEETING, UM, WAS ABLE TO LISTEN IN AND THEN ANTICIPATED IT TO COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING WAS THE INGRESS EGRESS POINT AT HAMPTON WAY I DROVE THROUGH HAMPTON WAY.
I HAVE IN-LAWS THAT LIVE IN THE WOODS OF FREDERICK CREEK OCCASIONALLY THAT'S A SHORTCUT AROUND TO GET TO THE I 10 ACCESS ROAD.
THERE'S CARS PARKED ON EACH SIDE, UM, AND IT'S CURRENTLY A CUL-DE-SAC THAT WOULD CHANGE.
AND SO, AND I'VE LOOKED AT THIS SEVERAL WAYS NOW THAT WE HAD SOME, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY PLATS TO LOOK AT ON OUR OWN ACCORD, UM, ONCE THE INFORMATION WAS RELEASED ON, ON THURSDAY.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S A CREATIVE WAY THAT WE COULD ELIMINATE THE HAMPTON WAY REQUIREMENT, UM, WHICH IS EXISTING TODAY, AND THEN LOOK AT, UM, ANOTHER ACCESS POINT.
UM, EVEN THE SCHOOL, RIGHT? AND, AND WAS IT NORRIS? IS THAT A ROAD, NORRIS ROAD OR THAT KIND OF GOES THROUGH THAT DRAINAGE EASEMENT? THERE WAS A MAP THAT HAD, UM, BEFORE THAT ONE, ONE MORE.
YEAH, IT HAS NORRIS IN THERE AND IT APPEARS TO BE A ROAD.
AND I WAS, IT LEADS TO THE HOUSE, UM, THAT COMES THROUGH THE SCHOOL PROPERTY AND THEN IT KIND OF GOES TO THE BACK OF THE SCHOOL PROPERTY.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY OPTIONS THERE WITH A EASEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL ALL THE WAY AT THE BACK OF THEIR PROPER PROPERTY FOR INGRESS EGRESS OFF OF LATIMORE BOULEVARD, YOU KNOW.
UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE FOR THERE TO BE, BE ANY CREATIVITY IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 30 RESIDENTS OR 30 DU DUPLEXES.
UM, THERE ALSO, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE SOMEBODY DRIVING THROUGH A HOTEL PARKING LOT, UM, TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY.
I, I SEE THE ROAD THAT GOES FROM JOHN'S ROAD TO THE PROPERTY, BUT KIND OF THAT, THAT BROWN LINE, UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WOULD, HOW THAT WOULD WORK EITHER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE BEFORE YOU LEAVE? UM, NO, I THINK THAT'S, THAT WAS REALLY THE, THAT PART THAT I WANTED TO GET CLARITY ON TONIGHT.
UM, AND I'M SURE IT'LL BE CONTINUED DISCUSSION.
I WILL MAKE SURE TO WATCH THE, THE RECORDING OKAY.
BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO, WELL, NO, ABSOLUTELY ASK THE QUESTION.
SAFE TRAVELS AND HAVE A GOOD FLIGHT.
UM, ALRIGHT, MR. SPINELLI, NOW YOU CAN COME ON DOWN AND, UM, SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS, UM, OR YOUR REPRESENTATIVE.
DANIEL WETZEL, 25 94 RANCH ROAD, 9 65, FREDERICKSBURG, TEXAS.
I'M THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT WITH CENTERLINE.
AND, UH, TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER.
HE'S, UH, CONCERNS THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS OF DESIGN.
UM, DUE TO THE CONSTRAINTS THAT, UH, THAT MS. LINDER SHARED, ONE OF THOSE MAJOR CONCERNS IS THAT WE HAD AS WELL IS, IS ROUTING ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THROUGH HAMPTON WAY.
UH, UH, AND ADDITIONALLY THE DESIGN CONSTRAINTS, UH, FROM THE UDC UM, LIMIT THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT THAT COULD BE PUT ON THIS TRACT.
UM, ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A 60 FOOT EASEMENT THAT RAN ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE COMMERCIAL TRACT THAT WAS REVISED DOWN TO A 30 FOOT EASEMENT.
AND TODAY THERE'S A 25 FOOT WIDE
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CONCRETE ROAD THAT RUNS FROM JOHNS ROAD DOWN TO THE HOTEL.AND THEN AT THE HOTEL IT TRANSITIONS INTO THEIR PARKING LOT OUT TO I 10.
UM, WE, WE HAVE MET WITH, WITH THE ISD, WE'VE MET WITH THEIR ENGINEERS.
UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING 12 FOOT ACCESS AND I BELIEVE UTILITY EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, THAT, THAT, THAT I BELIEVE IS AT NOR ROAD THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HYLER MENTIONED.
UM, THE SCHOOL IS NOT AMENABLE TO CHANGING ANY OF THAT ACCESS EASEMENT WIDTH TO ALLOW, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH THERE.
UH, ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST CONCERNS IS, IS SECURITY FOR THE STUDENTS.
THEY ARE, THEY ARE AMENABLE AND, AND WILLING TO EXPAND THAT ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS A GATE ON THAT EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WITH A NOX BOX NOX LOCK ON IT SO THAT THE FIRE, UH, THAT EMERGENCY SERVICES COULD ACCESS THE PROPERTY.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS THE ONLY, ONLY ITEM THAT THE, THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE THEIR ENGINEER WERE WILLING, UH, TO AGREE TO.
WE MET EXTENSIVELY, HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE LANDOWNER TO THE WEST.
UM, AS MS. LINDER MENTIONED, THE, THE, THE RECIPROCAL ACCESS AGREEMENT GRANTS A 25 FOOT WIDE ACCESS POINT ANYWHERE ALONG THAT WESTERN, UH, PROPERTY LINE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO THAT ACCESS EASEMENT.
UM, WE, WE OFFERED, UH, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING WE COULD THINK OF, MONETARY COMPENSATION, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, UH, CONSTRUCTION, ET CETERA.
AND, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE WEST WAS NOT INTERESTED IN ADJUSTING OR CHANGING THAT ACCESS AGREEMENT IN ANY WAY.
THEIR STATEMENT WAS, UH, WE BOUGHT THAT LAND KNOWING THAT WE HAD A 25 FOOT POINT OF ACCESS AND WE'RE NOT WILLING TO CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH, UH, MULTIPLE ITERATIONS WITH STAFF TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE, UH, THE ACCESS CONCERNS.
UM, WE HAD A, A, A RELATIVELY GOOD RESPONSE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT MEETING, UM, FROM AND, AND ANSWERED SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
AGAIN, THE IDEA HERE IS SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, FOR NEW FAMILIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE FORM OF SOME DUPLEXES.
UM, BUT WE, WE LOOKED AT INITIALLY, UH, ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS TO AVOID HAMPTON WAY.
UH, LIKE I SAID, DUE TO THE CONSTRAINTS ON THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, UM, WE, WE HAD INITIALLY LOOKED AT JUST A SINGLE POINT OF ACCESS AS, AS EXTENDING THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, AND THAT LIMITED THE, THE NUMBER OF LOTS TO, I THINK ABOUT SIX LOTS AND, AND, AND, AND RENDERED THE PROJECT NOT FEASIBLE.
UM, THE OTHER OPTION WE LOOKED AT BEFORE WE, WE HAD CONFIRMATION FROM THE LANDOWNER TO THE WEST THAT THEY WOULD NOT, UH, ADJUST THAT, THAT EASEMENT AGREEMENT FOR ACCESS POINTS.
WE HAD LOOKED AT A HORSESHOE THAT CAME OFF OF THAT ACCESS EASEMENT.
UM, AGAIN, THEY WERE UNWILLING TO, TO MODIFY THAT EASEMENT AGREEMENT AS IT SITS TODAY.
AND SO I HOPE HOPEFULLY THAT ADDRESSED, UH, COMMISSIONER HITLER'S CONCERNS AND ENTERTAINED ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UM, MR. WOODSON AT THIS POINT? UM, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER HITLER PROBABLY SUMMED UP A LOT OF OUR THOUGHTS IN THAT ACCESS IS REALLY THE KEY, KEY ISSUE HERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, YES.
UM, HOW YOU GET THERE AND HOW YOU GET OUTTA THERE, YOU KNOW, SAFELY WITHOUT, UM, TOO MUCH IMPEDIMENT TO OTHERS' PROPERTY RIGHTS ALREADY EXISTING IS GONNA BE A GREAT CHALLENGE.
THE LANDOWNER OF THE WEST IS NOT COOPERATING AT ALL.
I GUESS THAT'S, I GUESS IT'S HIS PREROGATIVE.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.
LIKE I SAID, WE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS, EMAILS, PHONE CALLS WITH HIM.
UM, AND, AND I SAY HIM, THE INDIVIDUAL I WAS DEALING WITH.
UH, BUT IT, IT'S A, IT'S A GROUP OUTTA SAN ANTONIO THAT OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AND AGAIN, AND, UH, AS MS. LINDER MENTIONED, UH, NEWS TO ME, UH, AND TO MR. SPINELLI THIS EVENING, IS THAT THEY RES REPLIED TO THE, UH, SOLICITATION, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO THE CHANGE IN ZONING.
SO, UM, BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH THEM, THAT WAS NOT A, A SHOCK.
I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THEY RESPONDED.
BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THIS, WE INITIALLY BROUGHT THIS PROJECT TO THE CITY AND BEGAN CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF.
UM, HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH PLANNING, ENGINEERING, UH, UTILITIES.
AND, UH, AND FORGIVE ME, I FORGET HIS NAME AT THE MOMENT, BUT AN INDIVIDUAL IN, UH, THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT, UH, WAS THE ONLY PERSON ON THE CALL THAT HAD ANY INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE THINGS THAT HAD BEEN DONE IN 2004 WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PLATTED.
AND, AND, AND LOOKING AT IT NOW AND, AND MY KNOWLEDGE OF IT NOW, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THOSE, THOSE, YOU KNOW, THAT 12 FOOT, 12 AND A HALF FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT THROUGH THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY A RANCH HOUSE.
AND SO WHEN THIS WAS ALL DEVELOPED AND PLATTED AND BROKEN OUT AROUND IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF FUTURE THOUGHT.
ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS IS DOWN ON THE, THE PLAT FOR, UH, THE VILLAS THAT, UH, AND HAMPTON WAY, THAT CUL-DE-SAC, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT OF WAY CLOSES
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AROUND THAT CUL-DE-SAC.WELL, THE INTERESTING THING IS, THERE IS A SECTION OF RIGHT OF WAY THAT EXTENDS TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO WHERE THERE COULD BE FUTURE ACCESS PROVIDED, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY POINT OF ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY.
AND AS MS. LINDER MENTIONED WITH THE DPZ THROUGH THE MIDDLE, THAT THAT, THAT, UH, INTRODUCES A WHOLE NEW SET OF DESIGN AND, UH, AND PLATING ISSUES OF, OF HAVING TO CROSS THAT DPZ AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AND HAVE LOOKED AT, UH, FROM A FEASIBILITY STANDPOINT.
WE DO HAVE A PLAN TO, TO ADDRESS THOSE.
AND AS, UH, AS THE EXHIBIT SHOW SHOWED, UH, WE DO HAVE INTENTIONS TO PUT A ROAD ACROSS THAT, UM, DPZ AREA.
THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM.
SO THIS IS A FREE FLOWING CONVERSATION.
COMMISSIONER FRIAR, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.
I I, I THINK YOU JUST HELPED CLARIFY IT WITH YOUR LAST COMMENTS, BUT HAMPTON WAY WAS, WAS HAMPTON WAY EVER INTENDED TO BE EXTENDED IN THE EYES OF THAT COMMUNITY? NO MA'AM.
IT WAS NOT IT THAT I WOULD HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME LOOKING AT THOSE NEIGHBORS AND ALLOWING THAT TO HAPPEN.
THEY'VE ALREADY WERE SUPER UPSET ABOUT THAT.
BEST WESTERN AND I DROVE THAT STREET TODAY.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANYWAY, BUT I DROVE THAT STREET THIS AFTERNOON AND I WANTED TO KIND OF CHECK IT OUT.
I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AT NIGHT.
'CAUSE I HAVE, I HAVE A BUNCH OF KIDS AND THEY HAD FRIENDS THAT LIVED IN THERE AND SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT EVENING TRAFFIC AND, AND THE PARKING THOSE HOMES.
I GUESS JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M SURE YOU'RE VERY AWARE, UM, THOSE HOMES ALL HAVE SINGLE CAR GARAGES AND VERY, VERY SHORT AND NARROW DRIVEWAYS.
AND THAT IS A VERY FAMILY FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH MEANS THERE'S LOTS OF TEENAGE DRIVERS IN ADDITION TO, TO, YOU KNOW, PARENTS FOR PROBABLY FOR THE MOST PART.
SO PARKING IS A REAL CHALLENGE IN THE STREET.
SO I WENT OUT THERE TODAY ABOUT TWO 30, DROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN WENT AND PARKED AT THE END OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC.
AND IT IS LITERALLY A ONE WAY STREET, EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AFTERNOON THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THE CARS THAT ARE HOME AT NIGHT.
AND I JUST, IT'S, IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE.
THIS IS A REALLY CHALLENGING SITUATION, BUT THAT IS JUST REALLY DETRIMENTAL.
AND THEY NEVER PLANNED ON THAT TO BE A THOROUGHFARE.
THEY BOUGHT IN A CUL-DE-SAC KNOWING THAT WAS A DEAD END AND IT WOULDN'T BE HIGH TRAFFIC.
I CAN'T DEFINITIVELY SAY IT WASN'T PLANNED TO BE LIKE THAT, BUT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE IN PLATING AND ENGINEERING AND DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY STAFF, IT, IT APPEARS THAT, THAT THAT EXTENSION RIGHT OF WAY WAS MERELY MEANT AS AN ACCESS POINT ALTERNATIVE TO COMING OFF OF JOHNS ROAD, UH, FOR THAT, FOR THAT RANCH HOUSE.
UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LOOKED AT AND THAT WAS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY, BY THE, UH, RESIDENTS THAT ATTENDED THE B AND D.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT AS WELL AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WILL BE A DETERRENT TO, TO THE FUTURE LANDOWNERS, FUTURE RESIDENTS OF THIS SUBDIVISION GOING TO THE SOUTH IS IT IS A, IS A LOT LONGER PATH AND A TRAVEL TIME TO GET OUT TO THE SOUTH VERSUS, UM, THE ACCESS POINT THAT WE'RE ADDING, UH, THAT WILL GET UP TO JOHNS ROAD IS A, IS A VERY SHORT DISTANCE, UM, AND IS EXPECTED TO BE THE MORE PREFERABLE PATH OF, OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS SUBDIVISION JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU DO SAY.
AND, AND THAT WAS SOME OF THE, UM, CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE RESIDENTS IS, IS THEIR ROADS ARE, ARE NARROW AS IT IS, AND THEY, WITH THE SINGLE CAR GARAGES THEY HAVE ON STREET PARKING AND IT'S NARROW.
IS THIS INTENDED TO BE A FOR RENT COMMUNITY OR IT'S FOR NO MA'AM.
I BELIEVE THERE INDIVIDUAL SALES OF THE, OF THE UNITS FOR SALE OF UNITS, YES MA'AM.
YES, IT IS NOT INTENDED AS A BUILD TO RENT COMMUNITY.
AND THEN I THINK MY LAST QUESTION IS, COULD, COULD, I GUESS FOR STAFF, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE STATEMENT ABOUT THE VARIANCE BECAUSE OF THE STREET WIDTH IN REGARDS TO THIS CURRENT STREET WIDTH VERSUS FIRE? I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YEAH, OF COURSE.
UM, SO THEY HAVE A FIRST STEP BACK.
UM, SO OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT FOR A NEW, UH, RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT HAS MORE THAN 30 LOTS, THERE NEEDS TO BE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS ON A PUBLIC ROAD.
THEY ONLY HAVE ONE JUST HAMPTON WAY.
SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE VARIANCE.
THE SECOND PART OF, OF THE, THE ACCESS CONSTRAINT IS THAT, UM, 25 FEET NO
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LONGER MEETS OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE.AND SO AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE HERE DISCUSSED, THEY COULDN'T GET, UH, OR STRUGGLING TO GET THE 26 FOOT ACCESS ONTO HERE.
SO THAT IS WHY THEY WERE LOOKING TO ADD A, A, A BOX HERE AND HAVE THIS BE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY FOR FIRE AMBULANCE, THAT KIND OF SERVICE.
SO AGAIN, IF AND WHEN A VARIANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COMES HERE.
SO Y'ALL WOULD BE THE BOARD MAKING THAT DECISION.
UM, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE REQUIRED.
UM, IF THEY ARE DOING MORE THAN 30 UNITS, THEN IT WILL BE REQUIRED.
IF THEY END UP DOING LESS, IT WILL NOT.
AND WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF HAMPTON WAY? OOH.
UM, BECAUSE I BET IT DOESN'T MEET OUR CURRENT CODE EITHER.
I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER FERRE? COMMISSIONER SENIO, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, MR. GATE? JUST ONE QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT MAP YOU WERE AT WHILE AGO THAT SHOWS THE 30 FOOT EASEMENT, UM, IT'S REFERRED TO SEVERAL TIMES AS A 30 FOOT WIDE RECIPROCAL ACCESS EASEMENT, BUT THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED 25 FEET.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THOSE DISCREPANCIES? YES.
SO THE, THE ACCESS ITSELF, SO THE DISTANCE RIGHT HERE THAT I'M HIGHLIGHTING THAT IS 30 FEET WIDE, THE 25 FOOT ACCESS IS HOW LARGE OF AN AXIS FROM THE SUBJECT TRACK TO THE CROSS ACCESS ROAD CAN BE.
SO RIGHT HERE ON THE GREEN, THAT CAN BE 25 FEET, BUT THE WIDTH OF THE PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD IS ONLY 30 FEET.
SO THE, SO THE ACCESS POINT IS 25 FEET, BUT THE ACCESS ROAD IS 30, THE EASEMENT FOR IT.
SO THE ROAD ITSELF WOULD BE, WOULD MEET STENT, WOULD MEET, MEET, COULDN'T MEET STANDARDS IF IT WAS COMPLETED UP TO JOHNS ROAD.
SO THEN THE ONLY VARIANCE WOULD BE JUST THE PINCH POINT OF GETTING OUT THE 25 FEET TO GET OUT.
UH, ONE OF THE, DIVING A LITTLE INTO THE WEEDS HERE, AGAIN, IF A VARIANCE IS NECESSARY, WE'LL COME BACK.
BUT, UM, ONE, ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS OF REQUIRING SECOND TWO POINTS OF ACCESS FOR A LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD IS TO ENSURE THEY HAVE EMERGENCY SERVICES.
AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER POINT.
NOW, HOW MANY POINTS OF ACCESS, IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF THE, UH, POINTS OF ACCESS THEY CAN HAVE THAN THE 25 FEET, UH, WITHIN THE 25 FEET? NO.
CAN THEY HAVE MORE THAN ONE POINT OF ACCESS TO THAT RIGHT OF WAY TO THE PRIVATE ROAD? NO, THEY CAN ONLY PER THE EXISTING AGREEMENT, IT'S ONLY 1 25 FOOT.
I BET THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TWO.
THAT, THAT'S, TO ME THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THIS IS TWO POINTS OF ACCESS AND, AND MAKE THAT A PUBLIC ROAD.
BUT, UH, AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS THAT, UH, SECOND POINT OF ACCESS, IF I HEARD RIGHT, THAT'S A 12 FOOT EASEMENT.
HOW IS EMERGENCY OR FIRE EQUIPMENT GOING TO GET DOWN THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS AMENABLE TO EXPANDING THAT INTO A EASEMENT THAT'S WIDE ENOUGH, UH, THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE THE EMERGENCY SERVICES AND THEY HAVE IT ALREADY PAVED TO A CERTAIN POINT WE WOULD EXTEND THEIR PAVEMENT.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND DESIGNED ON THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, UM, THAT MEETS ALL THAT.
WE WOULD EXTEND THAT HAMMERHEAD TO OUR PROPERTY TO SPINELLI LANE THERE ON THE EAST SIDE.
OKAY, SO IT WOULD NOT BE A 12 FOOT EASEMENT THEN? NO SIR.
THEY WOULD EXPAND THAT EASEMENT.
YEAH, I THINK, UH, WELL IF YOU COULD GET TWO POINTS OF ACCESS ON THAT OTHER ROAD THAT SOLVES YOUR PROBLEMS HERE, I WOULD AGREE TO THE EXTENT WE CAN'T CONVINCE THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER TO GIVE US THAT POINT OF ACCESS.
AND YOU MENTIONED IF THAT WERE TO BE TURNED INTO A PUBLIC ROAD, THAT'D BE THE NEXT HURDLE IS TO GET THEM TO DEDICATE THAT PROPERTY AS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEY'RE ALREADY, LIKE I SAID, NOT AMENABLE OR WILLING TO EVEN NEGOTIATE OR TALK ABOUT IT MM-HMM
AND SO I, ANY, ANY CHANGES TO THAT ROADWAY OTHER THAN PAVING IT? AND LIKE I SAID, IT IS CURRENTLY CONCRETE WITH CURB ON ONE SIDE.
BUT I, I, I SEARCH CERTAINLY SHARE FROM A FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S CONCERN ABOUT OPENING UP HAMPTON WAY.
THAT JUST DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S LIKE SHE SAID, THAT'S A ONE WAY STREET.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER KATES? NO.
COMMISSIONER BIRD? UH, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE MAP THAT SHOWS, I THINK IT'S THE NEXT SLIDE.
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ONE MORE.NOW WHO OWNS THAT? DOES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE EAST SIDE WHERE THOSE CCLE OF TREES ARE? YES.
AND THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING A SWAP WITH A NORTHERN PARK FOR AN ACCESS DOWN THERE.
THAT'S FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
HEY, COME, COME FORWARD MR. SMELL.
YOU CAN STILL TALK AT ANY TIME ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU SIGNED UP.
I'M HAPPY TO GRANT YOU SOME TIME TO VISIT, UH, WITH US.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS WITH THE SLIDE CURRENTLY ON THE SCREEN, YOU SEE THAT RED ARROW IS POINTING TOWARDS IH 10.
IF THAT RED ARROW POINTED OPPOSITE WHERE IT'S POINTING NOW, IT WOULD POINT TOWARDS, UH, LAMORE LATIMORE BOULEVARD, BUT THERE ARE TREES THERE THAT'S APPARENTLY SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY.
UM, HAVE YOU HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT SWAPPING LAND OR GETTING AN EASEMENT THROUGH THOSE TREES TO LATIMER? WE HAVE, WE RUN INTO ADDITIONAL FEASIBILITY ISSUES AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE END UP WITH A DEAD END THAT'S LONGER THAN ALLOWABLE BY THE UDCA DEAD END THAT, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT MORE FOR US? YES SIR.
WHAT YOU END UP IS, AGAIN, WITH A SINGLE POINT OF ACCESS THAT EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE OF A, OF A DEAD END STREET.
SO EVEN IF WE CAME OFF LAMORE BOULEVARD AND, AND, AND CAME INTO THE PROPERTY BASICALLY IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER AND THEN, AND THEN TURNED NORTH, UM, WE END UP WITH A DEAD END THAT'S MORE THAN ALLOWABLE BY THE UDC.
BUT YOU'D STILL HAVE YOUR ACCESS TO THAT, THAT PRIVATE 30 FOOT EASEMENT THOUGH.
RIGHT? WE'RE WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING THAT ACCESS TO THE NORTH.
WE'RE JUST SUGGESTING A NEW WAY TO GET IN FROM THE SOUTH.
UH, THE OTHER ISSUE YOU HAVE, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, UH, THE DPZ, YOU HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S FLOOD ZONE THAT STARTS RIGHT THERE AT, UH, AT LATIMORE BOULEVARD.
WE, WE DID EXPLORE THAT POSSIBILITY.
UM, HAVE NOT APPROACHED THE SCHOOL ABOUT SWAPPING A PIECE OF PROPERTY, UM, BUT IT CHANGED THE FEASIBILITY OF THE PROJECT SIGNIFICANTLY AS WELL.
THAT'S A MUCH LONGER ACCESS POINT.
OKAY, MR. SMELLY, UH, YOU'VE GOT TIME TO SPEAK.
SO I'VE BEEN IN, IN, UH, BURNING WHAT, 28 YEARS.
SO I, I BUILT THE WEST RA SOUND, I OWN THAT WHOLE, UH, FRONT OF THE BLOCK IN FRONT OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
I ACTUALLY RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW,
WE OFFERED THIS, THESE, THESE FOLKS, UH, QUITE A SUM OF MONEY FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE EASEMENT.
AND WE TRIED EVERY SINGLE WAY.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY WHEN I BOUGHT THE PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS LANDLOCKED AND WE HAD THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE ROAD IN THE FRONT OF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ACCESS AND THAT WE COULD GO IN AND OUT.
AND ONCE WE STARTED TO INVESTIGATE MORE ON THE PROPERTY AND TRY TO GET THE PERMITS, WE END UP GETTING STUMPED ON, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF, OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAD HERE.
AND I ENGAGED THE ENGINEERING FIRM TO HELP ME FIND A, A BETTER WAY TO MAKE THE PROJECT FEASIBLE TO BE ABLE TO WORK.
UH, THE, THE, THE PROJECT IS KIND OF NICE.
I MEAN, IT, IT WILL GIVE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOMES FOR KIDS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IN BURNIE THAT CAN BUY THESE TWO, $3 MILLION HOMES.
ALSO, IT'LL GIVE 'EM ACCESSIBILITY TO HAVE THAT SCHOOL NEXT TO THEM.
SO SMALL FAMILY WITH KIDS, WE HAVE AN EASEMENT, I THINK, INTO THE SCHOOL.
SO FROM THIS PROPERTY, IF YOU HAVE KIDS, YOU WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE TO GO INSIDE THE, THE HIGHWAY.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY WALK INSIDE THE, THE SCHOOL.
SO THAT WOULD BE A REALLY NICE, UH, ADDITION FOR ANYBODY, ANY FAMILY LIVING THERE ON THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS.
UM, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS, LIKE WE'RE DISCUSSING IS THE, THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE OFFERED I THINK OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THESE FOLKS FOR JUST TO GIVE US SOME, SOME EASEMENT ON IT.
AND THEY WOULD NOT ACCEPT THAT KIND OF MONEY.
UH, COMMISSIONER FRIAR, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS OTHER THAN DUPLEXES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT OR CONSIDERED THAT WOULD BE LESS INVASIVE TO HAMPTON? WAY? WE, WE EXPLORED SEVERAL DIFFERENT OP OPTIONS, UH, FROM TOWN HOMES TO DUPLEXES, UH, ET CETERA.
UM, GIVEN THE LAND USE AND THE TRANSITIONAL BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE, THE LOW DENSITY MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH, UH, IT, THAT'S THE BEST FIT THAT WE HAVE FOUND FOR THAT PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M, I'M CURIOUS, HAVE YOU ALL TALKED TO THE MULTIFAMILY OWNER TO YOUR NORTH? UM,
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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO THE, I GUESS IT'S YOUR NORTHWEST CORNER, WHICH IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO THOSE MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS.I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY IF THEY'VE GOT A REC ROOM OR ANYTHING, BUT IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF WORKING WITH THEM, GRANTING THEM ACCESS TO SOME SORT OF A, I DUNNO EVEN KNOW HOW OLD THIS, THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE IS, OR HOW BIG IT IS, BUT, OR WHAT THE PURPOSE OR USE OF IT WOULD BE, BUT ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT A JOINT USE, JOINT ACCESS TO JOHNS ROAD THROUGH THE COMPLEX.
I'VE SEEN SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE MULTI-FAMILY UPFRONT AND THEN THEY HAVE GATED SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX BEYOND.
UM, THAT MAY BE WORTH LOOKING INTO.
IT SEEMS TO ME BECAUSE THE ACCESS TO HAMPTON IS GONNA BE PROBLEMATIC, I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM US.
THE ACCESS TO HAMPTON IS DEFINITELY PROBLEMATIC.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT CURRENTLY.
EVERYTHING ALONG THAT SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, UH, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH IS ALL PARKING.
UM, AND SO IF WE ELIMINATE OR PUT, PUT IN TWO POINTS OF ACCESS ALONG THERE, I BELIEVE IT VIOLATES THEIR PARKING.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIVE THEM SOME PARKING? YEAH, I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S GOTTA BE A REAL CREATIVE APPROACH TO THIS, I THINK TO GET THE 30 SOME UNITS ON THIS PARCEL, GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF ACCESS.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I'M NOT, I'M NOT PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE, BUT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO THINK VERY CREATIVELY.
YOU'VE DONE THAT ALREADY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE EMERGENCY ACCESS.
AND TO YOUR CREDIT, THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU AND YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK IF THE LANDOWNER TO YOUR WEST IS NOT GONNA COOPERATE.
YOU'VE GOTTA FIND SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO COOPERATE AND MAKE IT WORTH THEIR WHILE TO DO SO.
WE HAVE NOT YET APPROACHED THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
I EXPECT THE SAME RESPONSE, UH, THAT I'VE HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER PRYOR ABOUT THE, UH, ACCESS TO THE SOUTH.
THAT MULTIFAMILY UNIT IS NOT GONNA WANT 30 AGAIN, THAT'S MY ASSUMPTION.
BUT, UM, THAT IS SOME, WE HAD NOT APPROACHED THEM YET, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT, IT'S NOT ONLY PARKING.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE PARKING, UH, AWNINGS THERE ALONG THAT SOUTH EDGE.
SO IT, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE COVERED PARKING THERE.
UH, YOU CAN SOMEWHAT SEE IT IN THE AERIAL.
BUT IF THEY TURN THOSE, JUST RELOCATE THEM.
I CAN HAVE AN EASIER TIME WORKING WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
'CAUSE THOSE AREN'T OWNERS HAMPTON WAY OR, OR HARDWORKING OWNERS.
WELL, I THINK I'M, I'M PROPOSING THERE MIGHT BE A WIN-WIN HERE.
I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE, THEY'RE GONNA PRESERVE IT TO YOUR CREDIT, YOU'RE GONNA MOVE IT VERY CLOSE TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GOT IN TERMS OF MEETING SPACE OR REC SPACE OR EVEN A WORKOUT ROOM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GOT.
BUT MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE CREATIVE AND APPROACH, I THINK THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.
YOU'VE GOT A COMMENT? YES, SIR.
THANK, MY NAME IS MICHAEL GIDDENS.
I'VE BEEN IN BERNIE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW.
UH, MR. SPINELLI IS A CLIENT OF MINE.
IF WE COULD BRING UP THE PROPOSED, UM, DEVELOPMENT MAP THAT SHOWS HAMPTON WAY.
UM, I SOLD MR. SPINELLI THIS PROPERTY AND, AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT HAMPTON WAY, IF I LIVED ON A CUL-DE-SAC, OF COURSE I WOULD NOT WANT THE CUL-DE-SAC BROKEN.
BUT I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND THE WAY OF THE, THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THE RESIDENTS IN HAMPTON WAY TO USE OUR ROAD TO GET TO I 10 QUICKER THAN GOING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THE, THE WAY THEY NORMALLY CAME.
AND I THINK IT ALSO BRINGS TO A POINT THAT THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO INTO BERNIE.
THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT TO THE PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD TO JOHN'S ROAD, EITHER TO I 10 OR DOWNTOWN BERNIE.
SO I WANTED, I I KIND OF WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
I, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED ON CUL-DE-SACS, THEY'RE GREAT.
BUT, UM, I THINK THIS BENEFITS THE CUL-DE-SAC.
I THINK IT, IT GIVES THEM AN EASIER WAY TO GET TO BERNIE, TO SAN ANTONIO AND IT'LL ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN, AND MAKE TRAFFIC.
'CAUSE I THINK ON THAT STREET THAT DEAD ENDS TO HAMPTON WAY, YOUR RESIDENTS ARE GONNA COME THROUGH MR. SPINELLI'S, UH, SUBDIVISION, NEW PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.
WOULD THESE UNITS HAVE GARAGES? THE, WOULD THE DUPLEXES HAVE GARAGES? THE DUPLEXES WILL HAVE GARAGES, YES.
WOULD THERE BE OVERNIGHT PARKING ALLOWED IN THE STREET THAT, THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.
SOME OF THOSE THINGS MIGHT, YOU KNOW, SOME HOA RESTRICTIONS MIGHT HELP ALLEVIATE RESTRIC SOME OF THE CONGESTION.
THOSE, THE DRIVEWAYS WOULD BE LONG ENOUGH TO HAVE CARS WHERE
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STREET PARKING IS PROBABLY NOT, UM, NECESSARY.BUT OF COURSE, WHEN YOU HAVE LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE AT ONE HOUSE, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PARKING ON THE STREET ENFORCING.
AND, AND I THINK THE, THE, THE OWNERS TO THE WEST, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED, I TRIED ALSO, UH, TO TALK TO 'EM.
I KNOW 'EM AND UM, THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE TOLD THEM THAT THERE'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC COMING FROM HAMPTON WAY.
THERE'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT ONTO THE STREET.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE LESS TRAFFIC IF YOU GAVE US A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM TO MAKE ANOTHER, UM, RIGHT AWAY.
I, YOU KNOW, THEY, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY CURRENT PLANS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE RIGHT TIME.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER FRYER? NO, THANK YOU.
WE'RE, WE'RE ALL RACKING OUR BRAINS HERE.
JUST LIKE YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE
UM, JUST ANOTHER THOUGHT, I MEAN, WHAT IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE IS SOME BENEFIT TO HAMPTON WAY IF WE MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO GET TO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO THAN THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.
BUT I THINK THAT BENEFIT IS MITIGATED SOME BY PUTTING THAT ACCESS TO THAT EASEMENT SO FAR TO THE NORTH OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC.
WHAT IF WE JUST DID A VERY SORT OF SHORT CUT THROUGH, YOU COME IN AND MAYBE MIDWAY THROUGH THAT FIRST MAP OF, OF HOMES DOWN BY HAMPTON WAY, YOU GO TO THE, MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN TO GO TO THE EASEMENT AND GET YOUR SECOND ACCESS POINT THAT WAY.
SO THEN YOU'RE REALLY, REALLY GIVING THOSE HAMPTON WAY FOLKS A VERY SHORT ROUTE TO GET TO I 10 AND JOHNS ROAD AREA.
AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR TWO ACCESS POINTS.
YOU WON'T HAVE ONE UP, UP NORTH BY THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TWO DOWN SOUTH.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WORTH CONSIDERING, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD, UH, INITIALLY CONSIDERED.
THIS PROPERTY IS ABOUT 590 FEET NORTH TO SOUTH.
AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, I BELIEVE THE MAXIMUM DEAD END DISTANCE IS, UH, EITHER 600 OR 650 FEET.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE LOT DEPTHS THERE ARE 200 FEET APPROXIMATELY FROM THE, FROM THAT WEST PROPERTY LINE.
IF WE DID THAT, WE END UP BACK IN THE SAME, SAME POSITION OF, OF, OF A TOO LONG, OF A DEAD END, UM, WITHOUT, UH, WITH A SINGLE POINT OF ACCESS.
IS THAT SOMETHING MR. CRANE? THEY CAN, THEY CAN GET A VARIANCE OR REQUEST A VARIANCE FOR.
SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT POSSIBILITY.
I, I SECOND MR. CRANE'S COMMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT IS A FIRE CODE REQUIREMENT ON THE DEAD END LENGTH.
AND IS THAT MITIGATED SOME BY THE FACT THEY'VE GOT THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS EASEMENT TO THE NORTH? IT MAY VERY WELL BE THAT.
I MEAN, IT, UM, CONCEPT OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, NICE DUPLEXES WHERE FOLKS CAN, CAN LIVE AND, AND NOT HAVE TO PAY TWO OR $3 MILLION FOR RESIDENCE IS APPEALING.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THE HAMPTON WAVE FOLKS AND HAMPTON COVE FOLKS CONCERNS.
UM, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE VERY, AGAIN, VERY CREATIVE APPROACH TO ALL THIS TO MAKE IT WORK.
MS. LINDER, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM? JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT SIZE WOULD THESE UNITS BE? THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? YEAH.
WHAT ARE WE, DO YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY? I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT S FOOTAGE.
SO I'M HEARING A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESS.
UM, BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE LAND USE WITH THE DUPLEX AND, UM, JUST CONFIRM THAT THE DUPLEX LAND USE COULD BE APPROPRIATE ON THIS SITE.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S OUR SENSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE ACCESS IS, IS IF THEY STAY UNDER 30 UNITS.
THAT MAY BE ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS.
YOU JUST, MAYBE YOU DON'T GET 34, MAYBE YOU GOTTA GO 28 OR 29, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT, UM, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND THESE, THESE ARE DISCUSSION ITEMS AND SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND, AND TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS RAISED BY COMMISSIONER HOLLER AND ALL OF US AND TO HAVE YOUR THOUGHTS.
I KNOW YOU'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY ALREADY LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE.
UM, BUT I THINK THIS IS A HELPFUL PROCESS AND THERE'S JUST, I THINK AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY CREATIVE OF HOW WE APPROACH THIS.
APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN TONIGHT.
SO WILL YOU KEEP US MS. LINDA, WILL YOU KEEP US UP TO SPEED ON THIS OR WILL THERE BE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ITEM 30 OR 60 DAYS OUT ON THERE? UH, MORPHING PLAN OR HOW WILL THIS COME BACK TO US? UM, SO WE WILL RETURN TO YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
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UH, LET'S GIVE THEM A LITTLE TIME TO DIGEST THE, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SHARED WITH THEM AND SO THAT THEY CAN CREATE A PATH FORWARD AND, UH, WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED FOR, FOR WHATEVER HAPPENS.[7. COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION/LEGAL COUNSEL/STAFF - No discussion or action may take place]
IS ITEM SEVEN EIGHT.UH, THESE ARE JUST COMMENTS FROM I THINK MR. CRANE, UM, IMPACT FEE ADVISORY BOARD MEETING.
I THINK YOU'VE ALL BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT THAT.
OUR, OUR MAY MEETING WILL BEGIN AT FIVE 30.
MR. SPINELLI, OUR MAY MEETING WILL BEGIN AT FIVE 30 THROUGH OUR 30 MINUTE, UM, REQUIRED IMPACT FEE ADVISORY BOARD MEETING, UM, PEANUT BUTTER DRIVE, MR. CRANE AND MS. STARK, YOU'VE GOT THE BOX THERE.
I PRESUME I CAN DUMP MY PEANUT BUTTER IN THERE ON THE WAY OUT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.
AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, UH, LAST FALL WE DID A SERVICE PROJECT AT, UH, FOR A PROGRAM CALLED BLESSINGS AND A BACKPACK.
UH, IT'S WHERE THEY, UH, PUT FOOD TOGETHER FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE.
UH, SO THEY HAVE FOOD OVER THE WEEKEND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE, ALL THEY STATED THAT THEY HAD NEED OF IS, UH, PEANUT BUTTER AND, UH, THEY REQUESTED A SPECIFIC SIZE 'CAUSE THAT FITS IN THEIR BAGS.
AND, UM, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO DO THAT.
WE'VE HAD A PRETTY GOOD RESPONSE, UH, SO FAR, UH, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, COMPLETING THAT PROJECT.
I KNOW MS. FRIAR'S GOT HERS OUT IN THE CAR.
UM, I THINK EVERYONE BROUGHT PEANUT BUTTER TO THE SCENE, DIDN'T THEY? UH, SO IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S AMAZING.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND SUPPORT YOUR EFFORTS IN THAT REGARD.
UM, JUST, JUST A QUICK NOTE IS, UH, OUR IT DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING AT A SOFTWARE THAT WILL ACTUALLY TRANSCRIBE VIDEO.
SO IT'LL GO THROUGH AND IT TRANSCRIBE, UH, UH, WHAT WAS SAID.
THE GREAT, THE, UH, BENEFIT THAT I SEE IN IT, UH, FROM OUR STANDPOINT IS YOU'RE ABLE TO SEARCH THAT BY WORD OR TOPIC.
SO YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND YOU CAN SAY JOHNS ROAD AND IT'LL TAKE YOU RIGHT TO THAT AND IT'LL TAKE YOU TO THAT POINT IN THE, UH, VIDEO ALSO.
SO, UH, THAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPE, UH, AND LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
I THINK THAT'D BE A REALLY USEFUL TOOL TO HAVE.
UM, ONE COMMENT I'VE GOT MS. STARK, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE MARIA? UM, SO IT MET, BUT I KNOW YOU SENT OUT AN EMAIL, OH, MAYBE A WEEK OR TWO AGO THAT SHE'D BE SITTING HERE TONIGHT FOR MR. MCKINNEY.
WE WANNA WELCOME HER NUMBER ONE.
UM, BUT I'LL LET YOU INTRODUCE HER MORE FORMALLY SO WE CAN ALL MEET HER AGAIN FOR THE FIRST TIME COLLECTIVELY.
SO WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE MARIA, UM, AND WE WERE ABLE TO MEET HER A FEW WEEKS BACK.
UM, KNOWING THAT RIGHT NOW M**K IS IN TRIAL AND WE'VE HAD OTHER MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONFLICTS AS FAR AS HIS SCHEDULE.
SO WE ARE THRILLED TO HAVE SOMEONE AS A, A BACKUP NOT ONLY FOR THE MEETINGS, BUT ALSO SHE'S GOING TO BE HELPING US WITH OUR CONTRACTS AND DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS AND, AND HELPING TO REVIEW THOSE.
AND, AND, UH, I AM NOT GOING TO STEAL HER THUNDER.
I'M GONNA LET YOU, UH, TELL, TELL THEM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF.
THANK YOU, UM, VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
UM, I, I LIVED IN TEXAS WHEN I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
I'VE BEEN IN KANSAS, SO, UM, MY FAMILY AND I HAVE RECENTLY MOVED FROM THE EAST SIDE OF KANSAS.
UM, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF, UM, EXPERIENCE IN CITY ATTORNEY WORK.
I WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY IN A SMALL CITY ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE STATE, AND THEN AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY IN LAWRENCE, KANSAS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
SO I'M EXCITED TO BRING THAT KNOWLEDGE HERE DOWN TO BERNIE, UM, AND OTHER SURROUNDING CITIES THAT I'M HELPING WITH AND LOOK FORWARD TO ATTENDING MORE MEETINGS IN THE FUTURE.
YOU'LL PROBABLY FIND OUT THAT THIS BODY IS SOMEWHAT CIRCUMSPECT ABOUT ATTORNEYS, BUT UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, THEY'LL WELCOME YOU WITH OPEN ARMS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? IF NOT, THEN WE STAND ADJOURNED AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.