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ANY FLAGS.[1. CALL TO ORDER – 6:00 PM]
JUST NOTICED.WELL IT'S SIX O'CLOCK, SO WE'LL BEGIN OUR MEETING.
WE NORMALLY BEGIN WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG AND TO THE TEXAS FLAG, BUT ALONG WITH OUR MINTS, THOSE FLAGS ARE AW WALL THIS EVENING.
SO, UM, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU WANNA STAND IN, SING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM, BUT THERE'S NO FLAG TO SING TO.
SO I THINK WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND, UM, JUST HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
IF YOU'LL RISE WITH ME, WE'LL JUST HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, REMEMBERING OUR AMERICAN FLAG, OUR TEXAS FLAG, AND ALL THOSE THAT ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY TODAY.
[2. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST]
IS CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.UM, ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? COMMISSIONER SENIO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH, UM, CONSENT AGENDA.
AGENDA, SPECIFICALLY ITEM FOUR B.
SO WE WILL REMOVE ITEM FOUR B FROM CONSENT AND WE WILL MOVE THAT TO THE REGULAR AGENDA TO BE DISCUSSED, UM, WITH COMMISSIONER SENIO STEPPING DOWN FROM THE DIOCESE FOR THAT ITEM, ANY OTHER CONFLICTS AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS THIS EVENING.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA: All items listed below within the consent agenda are considered routine by the Planning and Zoning Commission and may be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of items unless there is a Commission member or citizen request, in which event the item may be moved to the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.]
WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA, UM, WHICH WILL HAVE JUST ITEM FOUR, A APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.AND ITEM FOUR C, THE CIBIL O VISTA, MAJOR SUBDIVISION PLA FOR CONSIDERATIONS.
THERE ARE MOTION AT THIS TIME TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA OF THOSE TWO ITEMS. MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER FRIAR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ANY DISCUSSION, IF NOT, THEN CAST YOUR VOTE AND WE WILL REVEAL THE RESULTS.
THE SENATE AGENDA HAS BEEN ADOPTED UNANIMOUSLY.
SIX IN FAVOR AND UNOPPOSED WILL NOT TAKE UP
[4.B. Consider approval for Chase Major Development Plat located at 441 West Bandera Road.]
ITEM FOUR B.JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SENIO WILL NOW STEP OFF THE DAES.
UM, MR. OH, ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD.
PLEASE COME FORWARD AND PRESENT ITEM FOUR B TO US IF YOU WILL, PLEASE.
WE ARE JUST GONNA WAIT FOR THE PRESENTATION TO COME UP.
I AM A PLANNER TWO WITH THE CITY, AND TODAY I'LL BE PRESENTING THE CHASE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PLANT.
UH, THIS ITEM ALIGNS WITH STRATEGY GOAL, UH, MAP GOAL C ONE, OFFERING QUALITY CUSTOMER EXPERIENCES AND C THROUGH C3.
COLLABORATING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 4 4 1 WEST BANDERA ROAD, ALSO KNOWN AS, UH, STATE HIGHWAY 46.
IT SPANS APPROXIMATELY 0.783 ACRES AND IS OWNED BY T-C-G-S-A, BERNIE INVESTORS, LLC WITH MASON AK OF CUMULUS DESIGN AS THE PRIMARY APPLICANT.
THIS PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS AUTO ORIENTED COMMERCIAL, AND I APOLOGIZE ON THE SLIDE.
IT SAYS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, BUT ON THE MAP IT'S AUTO ORIENTED COMMERCIAL.
AND, UH, THIS SUPPORTS DEVELOPMENTS THAT CATER TO VEHICULAR ACCESS AND HIGHWAY ADJACENT BUSINESS SERVICES.
ON OUR ZONING MAP, THE PROPERTY IS OWNED C FOUR REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE SCENIC INTERSTATE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THIS ENSURES THAT DEVELOPMENT MAINTAINS THE SCENIC CHARACTER OF THE IH 10 CORRIDOR.
UH, THIS IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS MAP AND THERE ARE NO KNOWN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS AFFECTING THE SITE.
IT IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN A FLOOD PLAIN OR A DRAINAGE PROTECTION ZONE.
IT ESTABLISHES ONE LOT ON THE 0.783 ACRE TRACT.
THE DEVELOPMENT IS PLANNED TO ACCOMMODATE A 3,277 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH COMPONENT.
THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS THE DRIVE-THROUGH, ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE C FOUR ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, THERE IS A NOTE THAT THE SIGN WILL BE REMOVED, UM, REMOVAL AND DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING SIGN IS INCLUDED IN THE PERMIT SUBMITTAL, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW.
AS STATED, AT THE LAST PUBLIC MEETING, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO REMOVE THE SIGN PRIOR TO THE START OF VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION WITH REGARDS TO ACCESS AND OPEN SPACE.
PRIMARY ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL BE PROVIDED VIA WEST BANDERA ROAD, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL STREET, UM, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, A 0.051 ACRE VARIABLE WIDTH, RIGHT OF WEIGHT DEDICATION ALONG BANDERA ROAD IS INCLUDED.
HOWEVER, NO ADDITIONAL STREET IMPROVEMENTS ARE PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS PLAN.
TO SUMMARIZE, THE PROPOSED PLAN ALIGNS WITH A COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN BY SUPPORTING
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COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS.THE PROJECT ADHERES TO ALL APPLICABLE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES AND ZONING REGULATIONS AS IS PERMITTED UNDER C FOUR COMMERCIAL ZONING.
NO OPEN SPACES DESIGNATED WITHIN THIS PLAT AND LANDSCAPING WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT STAGE.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY, IF A PLAT MEETS ALL OF THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS IN THE UDC AND ALIGNS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN, IT MUST BE APPROVED STAFF, UM, BASED ON ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN THE UUD C SECTION TWO DASH SIX F FOUR H CRITERIA, UH, FOR APPROVAL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ACCEPT THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR CHASE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PLOT LOCATED AT 4 4 1 WEST BANDERA ROAD.
HERE ARE YOUR MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION AND THE APPLICANT TEAM IS WITH US TODAY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER FRIAR? THANK YOU.
I JUST, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE DETAILS ON THE SIGN? I KNOW THAT WAS OUR BIG CONCERN LAST MONTH AND I KNOW THEY AGREED THAT IT WOULD COME DOWN SOONER THAN LATER.
BUT WHAT IS THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENT WITH THIS PLAT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN? SO THERE ACTUALLY IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU CAN TIE THE SIGN TO PLAT APPROVAL.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROCESS OF APPROVING PLATS.
THERE'S A SPECIFIC, UM, THERE ARE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND THEY HAVE ALL BEEN ADDRESSED.
SIGNAGE TYPICALLY COMES IN AFTER THE PLATA IS APPROVED, WHICH GIVES THEM THE OKAY TO, UH, APPLY FOR BUILDING PERMITS.
SO SIGNS NEW AND OLD, UM, ARE ADDRESSED AT THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE.
WELL, UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAD A, A WOMAN HERE FROM THE APPLICANT LAST TIME DURING WHEN THEY REQUESTED THE THIRD DATE EXTENSION.
I DON'T SEE HER IN THE AUDIENCE.
YOU WERE RIGHT BEHIND MS. ANDRADE.
I TOLD YOU I SEE YOU ON MAY 5TH.
WELL, YOU DID AND THERE YOU ARE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING SO INTENTLY FOR YOU, BUT I YET YOU WERE RIGHT BEHIND HER.
YOU'RE EYESIGHT, WHICH IS, ANYWAY, I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
UM, THE QUESTION CAME UP LAST MONTH THAT'S COME UP AGAIN.
ABOUT THIS, THIS BEAUTIFUL SIGN THAT'S UP THERE.
THIS, THIS SHELL GAS STATION SIGN.
WHICH LAST MONTH, I BELIEVE YOU SAID THE INTENTION OF THE APPLICANT WAS TO TAKE IT DOWN BEFORE GOING VERTICAL.
CORRECT? I THINK, IS THAT STILL THE INTENTION? THAT IS STILL THE INTENTION.
BUT WE CAN'T TAKE IT DOWN UNTIL WE HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT.
'CAUSE THE DEMOLITION OF THE SIGN IS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THAT IS UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? TRUST ME, WE WANT IT DOWN.
SO DO WE ACTUALLY SEE, YEAH, I KNOW OUR INTEREST COINCIDE, BUT I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU WHAT THOUGHTS ABOUT OUR SIGN S THIS, YOU GOT ENOUGH OF THAT LAST, YOU KNOW, DON'T ASK ME MY OPINION IF YOU DON'T WANT, I WANTED YOUR OPINION.
SO, UM, MAYBE AFTER THIS PROCESS, THIS CONCLUDED, WE'LL ASK YOU AGAIN, WHICH IS PROBLEM
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. BIRD? YEAH, I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF IT MATTERS OR NOT, BUT CURRENTLY, OR THE GAS STATION YOU USED IT, IT HAD TWO POINTS OF ACCESS TO GET IN AND OUT.
WE HAVE TO, TDOT WILL NOT APPROVE US TO HAVE TWO.
WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IT AS TWO ACCESS POINTS THE SAME AS THE SHELL STATION HAD, AND TDOT TOLD US THAT IT HAD TO BE REDUCED TO ONE.
DOES, DOES, UH, ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE THAT DRIVEWAY WITH THE RESTAURANTS? NO, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY CROSS ACCESS AND IT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE OWNERSHIP BETWEEN THE ALL THE PARCELS.
THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH ONE WITH THAT ISLAND AND WITH PEOPLE COMING OFF THE ACCESS ROAD COMING IN.
AND THEN IF YOU DON'T MAKE IT A RIGHT TURN ONLY OUT AND THEY'RE TRYING TO TURN LEFT ACROSS FROM HEB, THAT'S, I COULD SEE THAT BEING A REAL MESS.
BUT I THINK, UH, I THINK THE HORSE IS ALREADY OUTTA THE BARN.
WELL, ALTHOUGH THE SAVING GRACE IS, AS I AS, AS I LOOK AT THIS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOUR ACCESS IS FURTHER EAST THAN ONE OF THE TWO AXIS POINTS THAT COMMISSIONER BIRD HAS REFERENCED.
WHICH I'VE TRIED TO SKIRT OUT OF SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE THE GAS STATION CLOSED, AND THAT IS DIFFICULT TO DO.
BUT THIS BEING FURTHER EAST, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BETTER CLEARANCE PERHAPS, UH, WITH FOLKS COMING FROM THE I 10 ACCESS ROAD, TURNING RIGHT ONTO HIGHWAY FALLS.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
WE ARE CLOSER TO THE ENTRANCE THAT GOES INTO THE DENNY'S AND THE TACO CABANA.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A LOT LESS, UH, TRAFFIC THAN THE SHELL STATION.
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NUMBER COUNTS.WERE MUCH LOWER FOR THE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
ANY OTHER POINTS OR COMMISSIONER BIRD OR COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK.
IS THERE THEN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED FINAL PLAT AS PRESENTED BY MS. ANDRATI THIS EVENING? MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER FRIAR.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BYRD.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, CAST YOUR VOTE.
YOU'RE OPPOSED, YOU CAN CAST YOUR VOTE TOO.
WE'LL, WE'LL SEE THE RESULTS AND PASSES.
AND AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER SENIO ABSTAIN FROM THAT, UM, YOU MAY NOT RETURN TO THE DI COMMISSIONER VAIO.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, SPEAKING OF ETHICS, I SEE I'VE JUMPED RIGHT OVER PUBLIC COMMENTS THIS EVENING.
UH, IT MUST HAVE JUST BEEN BAMBOOZLED BY THE ABSENCE OF THE AMERICAN FLAG
UM, SO I WILL AT THIS POINT GO BACK
[3. PUBLIC COMMENTS: This is the opportunity for visitors and guests to address the Planning and Zoning Commission on any issue. The Planning and Zoning Commission may not discuss any presented issue, nor may any action be taken on any issue at this time. (Attorney General opinion – JC-0169)]
TO PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION THREE AND ASK IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS.I'VE GOT ONE GENTLEMAN SIGNED UP, MR. DUNNIGAN FOR ITEM FIVE A.
YOU CAN SPEAK THEN, OR YOU CAN SPEAK NOW.
WE KNOW YOUR NAME, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT ITEM FIVE A.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SHARE WITH US THIS EVENING? I APOLOGIZE.
I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS.
1 3 0 GALLANT FOX LANE, UH, DEPART RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED STARBUCKS TRACTOR.
UM, I JUST WANTED SOMETHING TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CONSIDERATION IS THAT, UM, THE STARBUCKS BEING BUILT RIGHT THERE ABOUT, AS THE CROW FLIES, A MILE WEST IS ALREADY ANOTHER STARBUCKS.
AND THAT BRINGS CONSIDERATION AND CONCERN FOR OTHER COFFEE SHOPS AROUND THE AREA.
CONSIDERING THAT WE LIKE TO SHOP LOCAL AROUND HERE.
UM, BRINGING A SECONDARY STARBUCKS WITH A DRIVE THROUGH PROPO BRINGS OUT ANOTHER, UH, DISADVANTAGE TO THE LOCAL POPULATION FOR OTHER COFFEE SHOPS ALSO CAUSING MORE TRAFFIC ON HERF ROAD.
UH, NOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A ER STATION THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, UH, TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH, UH, A LOT OF SPEEDING, A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.
SO IF WE'RE JUST THROWING IN A DRIVE THROUGH, IT'S GONNA BACK UP TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
UH, ARE YOU A COFFEE DRINKER? I AM.
I ACTUALLY WORK AT BLACK RIFLE COFFEE.
SO JUST FOR, JUST FOR PURE UH, UM, ALL CLEARANCE THERE.
WELL, I, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU, YOU MAY NOT RECALL THIS.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN AT BLACK RIFLE? UM, SINCE SEPTEMBER.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO THEY HAD A REQUEST FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH AND THIS, UH, ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED THAT REQUEST.
CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS THEIR PREROGATIVE, DECIDED TO DENY IT.
BUT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE WRESTLED WITH THESE DRIVE-THROUGHS IN SEVERAL COFFEE ESTABLISHMENTS OVER THE YEARS.
UH, EVERYBODY ENJOYS THEIR COFFEE IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN TODAY.
YOU CAN COME BACK ANYTIME YOU WANT.
I'LL DRESS UP A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UH, NO, YOU CAN COME BACK JUST AS YOU ARE.
JUST AS YOU ARE WOULD BE FINE.
SIR, REALLY QUICK, I MISSED YOUR NAME, MR. DUNGAN.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYONE? COUNCILWOMAN WRIGHT? YES, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
SHARON WRIGHT, THREE 14 DEER CREEK IN BERNIE.
UM, WELL, I DEFINITELY RESPECT THE RIGHT OF AN ESTABLISHMENT EVEN THOUGH I FREQUENT ALL OF THE LOCAL COFFEE SHOPS.
I, I RESPECT PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHATEVER ONE THEY WANT.
UM, I DRIVE IN THAT DIRECTION EVERY MORNING TO GET TO, UH, I 10 TO TURN LEFT ONTO MAIN.
AND I HAD SOME THOUGHTS GOING THROUGH MY MIND, WHICH I'VE ACTUALLY HEARD, UH, REPEATED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
AND THE CONCERN IS, AS YOU HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO, UH, MAIN STREET, UH, IF THERE'S A DRIVE-THROUGH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT PEOPLE FROM THE WEST SIDE OF I 10 ARE GOING TO BE COMING OVER TO GO TO THIS STARBUCKS.
I THINK THAT PROBABLY THEY'LL STAY OVER THERE.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE OF I 10 ON THE EAST SIDE OF I 10 WILL PROBABLY BE THE ONES THAT FREQUENT THE STARBUCKS.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY GUESS.
THE CONCERN IS THAT, UM, IF WITH A DRIVE THROUGH, JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS IF THE TRAFFIC AROUND THE DRIVE THROUGH GETS, LIKE THE ONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF I 10 TO WHERE IT GO WRAPS AROUND THE BUILDING POTENTIALLY COULD SPILL OUT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AND, UM, PEOPLE IN THE LEFT TURN LANE TRYING TO GET CROSSOVER TO THAT PARKING LOT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO, UM, WILL THAT TRAFFIC SPILL OUT ONTO, UH,
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HERF ROAD AND WILL THAT LANE GET BACKED UP TO THE POINT WHERE IT WOULD IMPEDE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN HERF ROAD AND THEN CAUSE FURTHER CONGESTION AND BACKUP.I DIDN'T KNOW IF PERHAPS IT WERE AN OPTION TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, A TRAFFIC COUNTS WITH THE CABLES ACROSS THE ROAD, OR EVEN AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE MOCKUP TO SHOW THE PUBLIC WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, WITH THE ASSUMED AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GOING INTO THAT PARKING LOT TO SHOW THAT, HEY, IT'S GONNA BE JUST FINE VERSUS, HEY, WE MAY HAVE DISCOVERED A PAIN POINT.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS.
COUNCILMAN RED, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE ON THAT ITEM OR ANY OTHER ITEM YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW? IF NOT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE A,
[5.A. Consider a request for a Special Use Permit (SUP) to allow for a drive-thru in the C2 - Transitional Commercial Zoning District within the SoBo - South Boerne Overlay District located at 20 Old San Antonio Road (Commons at Menger Creek Unit 11 Lot - 11A).]
WHICH IS TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A DRIVE THROUGH IN THE C TWO TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT WITHIN THE SOBO SOUTH BURN OVERLAY DISTRICT, LOCATED AT 20 OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD, HERF ROAD, ALSO COMMONS AT MANGER CREEK, UNIT 11, LOT 11 A.OKAY, MS. LINDER, GOOD EVENING, P AND Z COMMISSIONERS.
UM, FRANKIE LINDER PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AS YOU SAID, THIS ALIGNS WITH OUR CITY OF BERNIE STRATEGY MAP WITH, UM, C ONE AND C3 NOT WORKING.
UM, SO THIS IS A PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
UM, IT IS LOCATED AT 84 HEAR ROAD.
THE APPLICANT IS MARK SANTOS OF LJA ENGINEERING, AND THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY BERNIE COMMONS, LTD, AND IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
UM, I KNOW WE WERE JUST SPEAKING OF THIS, THIS PROPERTY WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME AS A DISCUSSION ITEM BACK IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT'S PRESENTED TONIGHT AND THAT THE LARGEST OF WHICH WE ARE LOOKING AT A SINGLE LOT TONIGHT INSTEAD OF THE TWO LOTS THAT WERE UP FOR DISCUSSION ON, UH, IN MARCH.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT A SINGLE LOT WITH A SINGLE DRIVE THROUGH.
AGAIN, THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SUP FOR A DRIVE THROUGH.
IT'S NOT FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF, THE COFFEE SHOP AND THE RETAIL THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS ALLOWED.
IT'S JUST IN REGARDS TO THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO, AND WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT SOME MORE SPECIFIC SITE PLANTS HERE IN A SECOND.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS, UM, DESIGNATED AS AUTO ORIENTED COMMERCIAL IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
UM, THIS CATEGORY IS SUPPOSED TO CATER TO VEHICULAR ACCESS, UM, FOR LOCAL AND REGIONAL, UM, BUSINESSES.
AND IT IS DESIGNED FOR HIGHER TRAFFIC AREAS.
IT IS ZONED C TWO, WHICH IS TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, AND IT IS WITHIN OUR SOBO OVERLAY DISTRICT, OUR SOUTHERN BERNIE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT ADDS SOME USE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ULTIMATELY TO HELP CREATE A MORE UNIQUE AREA OF BERNIE.
UH, THIS PROPERTY, UM, EXCUSE ME, IN THIS ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS MAP, THIS IS OURS FLOODPLAIN.
THIS, UH, FULL DEVELOPMENT COMMENTS OF MANGER HAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND IS VESTED TO AN EARLIER, UM, MAP INSTEAD OF SARAH.
ADDITIONALLY, SINCE UM, SINCE THEY WERE VESTED, THEY DID A LOMAR TO ESSENTIALLY MOVE THIS PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODWAY, UH, FLOODPLAIN.
SO IT'S NO LONGER IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND HERE IS OUR SITE PLAN FOR TONIGHT.
SO, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT A SINGLE POP, UH, EXCUSE ME, A SINGLE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF THE TWO THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IN MARCH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A, UH, TWO TENANT BUILDING THAT'S TOTAL 6,300 SQUARE FEET.
THE COFFEE SHOP WITH THE PROPOSED DRIVE THROUGH WOULD BE 2,400 SQUARE FEET AND THE RETAIL WOULD BE 3,900 SQUARE FEET.
AT THIS TIME, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC USER FOR THE RETAIL SPACE.
UM, THERE ARE HOURS OF OPERATIONS.
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THEY'D BE WORKING, THEY'D BE OPEN FROM 5:00 AM TO 9:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.HERE IS THE TWO LOTS WE WERE LOOKING AT AT MARCH.
AS I'VE SAID, WE ARE ONLY LOOKING AT LOT 11 A TONIGHT, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE TWO OF THEM WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER INCLUDING A DRIVE THROUGH ON THE SECOND LOT.
IF THEY DO END UP REQUESTING A DRIVE THROUGH, IT WOULD COME BEFORE THIS BODY FOR APPROVAL, JUST LIKE TONIGHT.
THEY ALSO DID SHIFT THE ACCESS, UH, IT WAS BEING PROPOSED ACROSS THE LOT LINE, AND THEY DID MOVE IT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE SPACING BETWEEN THIS ACCESS AND THE PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC.
SO HERE'S SOME SAMPLE ELEVATIONS OF WHAT THE STARBUCKS, THE COFFEE HOUSE AND THE RETAIL ARE PROPOSED TO LOOK LIKE.
SO THIS SITE WILL HAVE, UH, THREE DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS, ONE OFF OF HERF ROAD, ONLY ONE OFF OF HERF ROAD.
AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE TWO FUTURE ACCESS THROUGH CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT WOULD CONNECT THROUGH THE SITE OVER HERE THAT SOMEONE MENTIONED IS PROPOSED TO BE AN ER.
UM, THERE WOULD BE ACCESS TO GALLANT FOX FROM THERE AS WELL AS A PROPOSED, UM, CUL-DE-SAC STREET RIGHT HERE THAT WILL HAVE ACCESS AS WELL.
THIS LOT AND THIS LOT WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO HERF ROAD.
THEY WOULD BE RELYING ON THESE SIDE STREETS AND THE CROSS ACCESS.
THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES 21 PARKING SPACES, VEHICLE PARKING SPACES, UM, INCLUDING 180 DA SPACE.
THIS AMOUNT CAN BE INCREASED BY UP TO 10% WITHOUT PENALTY, BUT ANY PARKING OVER THAT MUST, UM, BE MITIGATED.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 36 SPACES, INCLUDING TWO 80 A SPACES.
UM, THIS IS ALLOWED BY RIDE IN THE UDC.
THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ON HOW THEY CAN MITIGATE THIS IN THEIR DRIVE THROUGH.
THEY ARE PROPOSING STACKING FOR 11 VEHICLES.
LEMME JUST POP BACK REAL QUICK.
STACKING FOR 11 VEHICLES, THEY ARE PROPOSING TWO PARKING SPACES, ALTHOUGH THE DEVELOPER HAS SAID THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THIS TO FIVE, UM, DEPENDING ON SITE AVAILABILITY.
AND THEY WILL BE PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, UM, TO THE SITE THROUGH AND, EXCUSE ME, AND MAINTAIN THE EXISTING HERF ROAD SIDEWALK.
THE IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THE SITE WILL BE 75%.
THE MAXIMUM THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT IS 80%.
SO THEY ARE BELOW THAT THRESHOLD.
THE WATER WASTEWATER AND ELECTRIC SERVICES ARE ALL PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF BURN, UM, FOR LANDSCAPING.
WE DO HAVE AN UPDATED, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN, UH, FROM WHAT WAS SUBMITTED IN THE AGENDA PACKET.
THIS WAS EMAILED TO THE COMMISSIONERS LATE FRIDAY AFTERNOON, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.
THIS LANDSCAPING PLAN USES A MIX OF LARGE, MEDIUM AND SMALL TREES AND INCREASED SHRUBS THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AND I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON THIS, SO WE HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN.
SO ALL OF OUR LARGE TREES ARE THIS DARK BLUE COLOR.
OUR SLIGHTLY SMALLER TREES ARE GOING TO BE THIS BLUE, UH, MEDIUM BLUE COLOR.
AND THEN THE, UH, SMALL TREES LIKE LAURELS AND RED BUDS WOULD BE THE LIGHT BLUE COLOR.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE DISPERSED ACROSS THE SITE.
THERE IS SOME LIMITATIONS FOR PLANTING ON THE SITE BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENTS IN THE FRONT.
THERE IS A 30 FOOT EASEMENT IN THE FRONT AS WELL AS SOME EASEMENT IN THE BACK.
AND WE DO REQUIRE A MINIMUM PLANTING SPACE FOR TREES DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF TREE TO ENSURE IT HAS ENOUGH SPACE TO THRIVE AND GROW AND DO WHAT TREES ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
WE ALSO HAVE AN INCREASE IN SHRUBS.
SO THIS DARKER SHRUB, I'M SORRY, THIS DARKER GREEN AREA IS OUR LARGER SHRUBS, AND THAT'S ALONG THE BACK OF THE SITE AS WELL AS THIS CORNER.
AND, UM, HELPING, UM, SHIELD SOME OF THE PARKING IN THE FRONT.
WE HAVE A MEDIUM SHRUB MIX, WHICH IS THIS, I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A KELLY GREEN, BUT THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE COUNTRY.
UM, AND THEN THIS VERY LIGHT GREEN IS GOING TO BE A GRASS MIX, AND THAT IS IN THE FRONT AND HERE BETWEEN THE DRIVE THROUGH OF THE BUILDING AND THE DUMPSTER.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT THIS RIGHT HERE.
IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A TREE, BUT IT'S NOT.
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IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, UH, WATER RECAPTURE.THEY'RE PROPOSING ABOUT A, UH, 5,000 GALLON TANK.
SO STAFF DOES FIND THAT THIS MEETS OUR REQUIREMENTS.
UM, IT IS, UH, ALIGNED WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, DOES ALIGN WITH ZONING, DESIGN CONSTRAINTS, ACCESS CIRCULATION, PARKING, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS AND UTILITIES.
UH, WE DID HOLD A BERNIE NEIGHBORHOOD DISCUSSION MEETING ON APRIL 15TH FOR THIS.
WE DID HAVE THREE ATTENDEES AT THE MEETING.
IT WAS POSTED IN OUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER, AND OF COURSE, THE SIGN WAS POSTED ON SITE AND LETTERS WERE MAILED TO EVERY PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN 500 FEET.
UM, WE RECEIVED ZERO WRITTEN RESPONSES, ALTHOUGH WE DID, EXCUSE ME, WE RECEIVED ONE EMAIL THIS MORNING, UM, THAT I BELIEVE YOU WERE ALL INCLUDED ON, UM, THAT WAS IN OPPOSITION.
SO BASED ON ITS ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN AND COMPLIANCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN THE UDC SECTION TWO FIVE D SPECIAL USE PERMITS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ACCEPT THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A DRIVE THROUGH IN THE C TWO ZONING DISTRICT AND SOBO OVERLAY DISTRICT LOCATED AT 84 HF ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND PERMEABLE PAVING SYSTEM, UM, MUST MEET THE UDC REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT AS DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.
AND, AND THAT COMES BACK TO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN BEING SUBMITTED FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND JUST MAKING SURE WITH THEIR CONSTRAINTS THAT WE GET THE MOST, UM, LANDSCAPING POSSIBLE ON THE SITE.
THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HAVE OUR MOTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT AND UH, DEVELOPER HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
DID THE APPLICANT WANT TO COME FORWARD NOW AND SHARE SOME THOUGHTS OR JUST WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS? GOOD EVENING.
IF YOU'LL GIVE US YOUR NAME AGAIN AND, UH, JUSTIN HOBSON.
AND, UH, MARK WITH LJA ACTUALLY, UM, HAD, UH, SOME CAR TROUBLES, BUT, UH, RUDY'S HERE WHO'S WITH THEIR OFFICE.
AND THEN I ALSO HAVE GLEN, UH, BEN PLET, WHO IS WITH, UH, KIMBERLY HORNER DID THE TRAFFICKED, UH, IMPACT ANALYSIS.
SO, UH, YEAH, JUST TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE PROJECT AND THEN OBVIOUSLY OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING.
I, UM, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRSTLY I'LL START, START OFF WITH, I I DO, UH, HEAR SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND, UM, AND, AND UNDERSTAND SOME OF THOSE.
I I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY DONE A LOT TO, TO MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AUDIO AUTO ORIENTATED RETAIL ZONE PROPERTY, UM, AND IN THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN FOR THE COMMAS AT MENGER CREEK, UM, THERE WAS INTENDED TO BE DIFFERENT TYPES OF RETAIL USE AND, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FAST CASUAL RESTAURANT USE WITHIN THE PROJECT.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF PUTTING IN TO THE PROJECT AND INTENDED USES THAT WERE REALLY WITH THE MASTER PLAN OVERALL, I THINK.
AND SO, UM, AND, AND BEN CAN TALK TOO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT THEY DID, BUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE DONE WITH OUR PROJECTS, UH, YOU KNOW, MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND STACKING AND FLOWS AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT'S NEEDED FOR THAT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ALSO HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, A FEW OF THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN THE CONCERN ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF THE DRIVE THROUGH CREATING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON HERF ROAD.
AND AGAIN, BEN CAN SPEAK TO THIS TOO, BUT I, I ACTUALLY, I'M DOING SOME OTHER STARBUCKS PROPERTIES AND, AND WHAT, WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH A LOT OF THE IMPACT STUDIES WITH THE, WITH THE TRAFFIC IS THAT SURPRISINGLY MOST OF THE TRAFFIC FOR THE COFFEE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH, IS FROM A VEHICLE THAT'S ALREADY GOING PAST THE STARBUCKS.
SO IT'S, IT'S ALREADY PLANNING TO GO TO WORK OR IT'S COMING BACK FROM DROPPING KICKS OFF AT SCHOOL.
AND IT'S NOT ESSENTIALLY CREATING NEW TRAFFIC PER SE.
IT'S ALREADY A CAR THAT'S THAT'S ON ITS ROUTE TO FROM, FROM A TO B AND IT'S JUST POPPING IN AND GET A COFFEE ON THE WAY.
UM, AND THE, THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GENERALLY GOING THERE FOR, FOR A COFFEE SOMETIMES WHO, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT, IT'S A DESTINATION TRIP FOR THEM.
THEY'RE TYPICALLY THE ONES WHO ARE GONNA PARK IN THE PARKING LOT AND GO IN AND MEET SOMEONE FOR COFFEE OR HAVE A COFFEE MEETING THERE, OR MAYBE SIT DOWN WITH THEIR LAPTOP AND GET A LITTLE BIT OF WORK DONE.
AND SO, UM, AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE VISITORS, THEY'RE NOT CREATING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE
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ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH, WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH OR, OR COMING, YOU KNOW, OUT.SO I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANNA BRING TO ATTENTION WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT I WASN'T PRIVY TO BEFORE I STARTED DOING THE STARBUCKS DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO KNOW, UM, UH, THE OVERALL PROJECT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH, WITH, UM, YOUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM FOR THE CITY, AND I THINK WE'VE, UM, DONE A, AS, AS, AS GOOD A JOB AS WE CAN TO, TO REALLY TAKE THE OVERALL VISION OF THE CITY AND IMPLEMENTED INTO THE PROJECT.
AND FIRSTLY, I WANNA START OFF WITH BY WE'RE DOING, UH, YOU KNOW, PREMIUM ARCHITECTURE, PREMIUM PRODUCTS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, UH, OVER-INVESTING IN, IN THE LANDSCAPING PACKAGE, MAKING THIS SOMETHING THAT JUST VISUALLY IS GONNA LOOK VERY ATTRACTIVE AND BEAUTIFUL, SOMETHING WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF IN THE BURNING COMMUNITY.
BUT ALSO WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT WANTING TO CREATE EXPERIENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST PLACES WHERE PEOPLE PARK GRAB SOMETHING AND LEAVE.
WE WANT TO LET THE COMMUNITY SLOW DOWN AND GET ENGAGED WITH THEMSELVES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUILDING OVERSIZED PATIO SPACES.
WE'RE WE'RE BUILDING ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS.
WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING THEM A LITTLE BIT LARGER, MORE COMFORTABLE GETTING IN AND OUT OF.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE SITE PLAN, THE PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, WOULD BE FOR THE, THE, UH, THE EMPLOYEE PARKING.
AND SO EVERYONE THAT'S ACTUALLY PARKING IN OR AROUND THE BUILDING WOULD JUST BE OPEN FOR, FOR GUESTS, FOR CONSUMERS, SO THEY CAN COME IN AND FIND A, A SPOT VERY EASILY TO PARK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A NAIL SALON OR WHATEVER'S GOING TO NEXT STARBUCKS OR, UH, THEY CAN GRAB A COFFEE, GET THEIR NAILS DONE, AND, AND, AND, AND DO THAT VERY EASILY AND, AND DO IT WITH BUMPING INTO NEIGHBORS.
AND, AND SO THAT, THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE AS WELL.
UH, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ON THE SECOND LAUNCH, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL COME NEXT.
WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO THE TENANTS ARE.
AND WHEN WE DO, WE OBVIOUSLY WE COME BACK AND IF WE DO NEED A, A DRIVE THROUGH, WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ON THAT ONE AT THE TIME.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE YET.
BUT WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED TO THE CITY ABOUT MAKING COMMITMENTS TO DOING A POCKET PARK ON THAT LOT, UM, BEHIND THE CUL-DE-SAC AREA.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ACTUALLY PROPOSED TO US FROM THE CITY, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO, UM, ON, ON THAT LOT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A SPACE THAT, UH, WE SAID WE ARE COMPLETELY OPEN TO WHATEVER THE VISION OR NEEDS OF THE CITY IS, WHETHER IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST PICNIC TABLES OR PARK SPACE IF YOU WANT A WATER FEATURE, IF YOU WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS ON THAT SPACE, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO DOING THAT.
SO AGAIN, TO TO NOT ONLY GET PEOPLE TO HAVE AN EXPERIENTIAL EXPERIENCE AT THE, AT THE RETAIL BUILDINGS TO SLOW DOWN, HAVE CONVERSATION, BUT THEN ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACES WHERE THEY CAN GET TOGETHER AND HANG OUT, MAYBE WALK THEIR DOGS AND SIT DOWN AND MEET OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
OBVIOUSLY WE'LL MEET ALL, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS AT LEAST OR BETTER FOR ANY SIDEWALKS, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, CONNECTIVITY, REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY TO GET THERE, YOU KNOW, BY FOOT OR ON, ON BICYCLE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WITHIN THE PROJECT ITSELF, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE PLANNING ON, IT'S, IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING A RAINWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM WITH A RAINWATER TANK.
AND SO I'VE DONE THIS ON MY OTHER ONES WHERE WE ACTUALLY COLLECT THE RAINWATER INTO THE TANK.
WE, WE, WE NEED OUR TO SAVE OUR WATER AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
AND SO, UM, THE WAY THAT WE INTEGRATE THAT SYSTEM IS, UM, WE HAVE A SENSOR IN THAT RAINWATER TANK.
AND WHEN THE WATER DROPS BELOW ONE FOOT OF WATER, IT'LL JUST FLIP THE SENSOR.
WE'LL HAVE ELECTRONIC VALVE THAT WILL FLIP OVER TO, TO CITY WATER, AND IT'LL USE THAT.
AND AS SOON AS THERE'S MORE ONE FOOT OF WATER IN THE TANK, THEN IT WILL USE THE RAINWATER.
SO IF THERE'S EVER WATER RAINWATER AVAILABLE, IT'S USED FIRST.
AND THEN IF IT RUNS OUT, WE USE THE CITY WATER.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, DOING A, A GOOD PART OF, OF PRESERVING, YOU KNOW, THE WATER, THE PRECIOUS WATER WE HAVE HERE IN, UM, IN TEXAS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, WE, WE TYPICALLY DO LIKE TO, TO INVEST A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A LANDSCAPE PACKAGE AND MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE MORE BEAUTIFUL.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S JUST THE OVERVIEW OF THE VISION AND SORT OF A LITTLE BIT OF WHERE WE'VE KIND OF INVESTED SOME OF OUR THOUGHT AND TIME INTO THE PROJECT.
AND SO I AM, UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, MIGHT JUST WANNA SIT IN THE FRONT ROW IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I WILL ASK IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING? YOU CAN DO SO NOW, COME FORWARD, AND IF NOT, THEN UM, WE'LL MOVE TO COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
I'VE GOT SOME THOUGHTS ON THIS, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA RESERVE THOSE UNTIL I HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
COMMISSIONER KATES, I'M AFRAID TO SAY ANYTHING.
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WHAT? THATUH, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, PLAT PLEASE TO GET THAT UP? YOU ALL CAN BE SEATED.
I MEAN, YOU CAN, YEAH, PLEASE TAKE A SEAT.
YOU DON'T WANNA STAND THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION.
DOES THIS ONE, UH, NO PIZZA TO THIS ONE? I NEED THAT ONE, YES.
UH, THE PARKING, I, I, I, I MEAN, THERE'S, YOU'RE LIMITED IN WHAT YOU CAN DO, BUT JUST AN OBSERVATION, I GUESS MORE THAN, UH, ANYTHING ELSE.
GOT A LOT OF PARKING PLACES, BUT A LOT OF THEM, UH, ALL THOSE ON THE BACK, YOU'VE GOT ACROSS THE, UH, CROSS EASEMENT TRAFFIC AND CROSS THE DRIVE THROUGH TO GET TO ANYTHING.
IT SURE SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PARKING AVAILABLE FOR WHATEVER RETAIL IS GONNA BE IN THERE.
UH, ALL THE ONES ON THE FRONT ARE TAKEN UP BY TO GO PLACES, SO THERE'S REALLY JUST FOUR UP THERE IN THE FRONT.
AND, AND THEN, UH, SO I GUESS I, I AM A BIT CONCERNED WITH THE PARKING, UH, ON THE STARBUCKS.
I JUST, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION FROM CITY STAFF.
MANY TIMES WE'RE TOLD THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE IN, UH, IN THE BUILDING, THAT WHEN IT'S BUILT, THAT'S NOT WHAT GOES IN THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW SURE, UH, THE STARBUCKS IS FOR THAT PLACE.
I'M ROOTING FOR IT VERY MUCH, UH, SELFISHLY BECAUSE I GO BY THE OTHER ONE EVERY DAY GOING HOME.
BUT, UH, IF A, IF A DRIVE THROUGH IS APPROVED AND A STARBUCKS DOESN'T GO IN THERE, ANY OTHER TYPE OF FOOD ESTABLISHMENT THAT WANTED A, UH, A DRIVE THROUGH COULD GO IN THAT SPACE.
CORRECT? THEY COULD, HOWEVER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE SITE PLAN.
SO IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE DESIGNED THE SAME WAY WE'RE REVIEWING IT TONIGHT.
BUT I MEAN THAT, THAT SPACE COULD BE USED FOR ANY FOOD, UH, ORIENTED, UH, UH, BUSINESS FOR ANY, ANY TYPE OF DRIVE THROUGH.
SO, OR IF THE STARBUCKS GOES OUTTA BUSINESS, I MEAN NOT, BUT IF THE STARBUCKS GOES OUTTA BUSINESS IN A DECADE OR SO, SINCE THE DRIVE THROUGH'S ALREADY THERE, IT COULD BE REUSED.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW CERTAIN THE STARBUCKS WAS FOR THAT.
IF, IF, UH, IF THAT'S A, A, A A CERTAIN DEAL OR IF THAT'S JUST WISHFUL THINKING AT THIS POINT.
NO, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S REAL.
I HAVE A SIGNED LOI AND WE'RE WORKING ON THE LEASE AGREEMENT AS WE SPEAK.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO DO, UM, THIS DRIVE THROUGH APPROVAL CONTINGENT UPON THE STARBUCKS AS A TENANT.
AND, UM, SO I TO DO THAT, WELL, I SAID SELFISHLY I HOPE IT IS.
SO YEAH, I'LL GET SOME RELIEF ON, UH, ON MY, MY ROUTE HOME.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PARKING, I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO, UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE 16 SPACES, UH, NORTH OF THE EASEMENT, UM, THAT, THAT'S THE PARKING SPECIFICALLY THAT WE ARE EARMARKING FOR, FOR OBVIOUSLY EMPLOYEES.
EMPLOYEES TYPICALLY PULL IN IN THE MORNING, THEY'RE THERE ALL DAY, THEY GET IN THE CAR AND LEAVE.
AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ALL THOSE VEHICLES TAKING UP A LOT OF THE PREMIUM SPOTS IN THE, IN THE PARKING LOT FOR THE ACTUAL CUSTOMERS AND FOR RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE RETAIL, WE DO HAVE EIGHT SPOTS UP FRONT.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER TWO, SO THAT'S 10.
WE HAVE FOUR WITH THE, THE HANDICAPPED SPACES AND TWO NEXT TO THEM.
SO WE HAVE 20 PARKING SPACES AROUND THE STARBUCKS RETAIL BUILDING ACADEMY.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, FOR THE, THE SITE ON THE EAST, I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA HAVE ANOTHER 48 SPACES MM-HMM
SO COLLECTIVELY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THERE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, OVER 60 SPACES, UH, WITHIN THE SAME RETAIL CENTER.
UM, SO I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, SO I THINK HOPEFULLY THAT THAT CALMS A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR, YOUR CONCERN ON THE PARKING RATIO.
I MEAN, WE, WE ARE OVER PARKED THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT IS 21.
AND, UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 36, SO YEAH.
UM, IT IS ALSO, EXCUSE ME, UM, WORTH NOTING THAT IN THE SOBO DISTRICT WE DO HAVE, UM, A SEPARATE PARKING RATIO THAN WE HAVE OUTSIDE OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO ANY USE IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT REQUIRES ONE PARKING PER 300, UM, SQUARE FEET, UH, A FLOOR AREA, I'M SORRY, A GROSS SQUARE FOOT AREA, WHICH IS DIFFERENT.
THE CALCULATION IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IF WE'RE OUTSIDE OF THE SOBO.
UM, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE PARKING BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT IS REDUCED FROM WHAT YOU SAW IN MARCH BY A HANDFUL.
UH, I DO APPLAUD YOU ON THE WATER COLLECTION.
IT'S AMAZING, EVEN AS DRY AS WE HAVE BEEN THE LAST TWO YEARS, HOW MUCH WATER YOU COLLECT IN THOSE RAINWATER SYSTEMS. I'VE GOT ONE AND I'M ALWAYS SURPRISED
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HOW FULL IT IS.UM, UH, NOW THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AS YOU WELL, NO, UH, I THINK, UH, SOME OF US WERE SURPRISED ABOUT THAT CUT THAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED THERE THAT, UH, WE DID NOT THINK THAT WAS GOING TO BE ALLOWED UNDER THE NEW RULES.
AND, AND THEN IT'S COME TO, I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT I GUESS IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN AND, AND YOU GET TO HAVE THAT, UM, I, I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE THAT'S, UH, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS GOING TO BE VERY DETRIMENTAL TO HERF ROAD AND TRAFFIC AND QUALITY OF LIFE AND SAFETY AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU CAN'T OPERATE OFF THAT CROSS EASEMENT.
AND SO, UH, JUST PERSONALLY, I, I THINK MY APPROVAL OF A, OF AN SUP FOR A DRIVE THROUGH WOULD, WOULD BE, UH, CONDITIONED ON NOT, UH, NOT HAVING THAT, UH, ACCESS ONTO HF F AND JUST WORKING OFF THE, UH, CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER KATES? NO, I THINK THAT'S A BIG ENOUGH ONE.
BIG ENOUGH ELEPHANT, THE ROOM COMMISSIONER BIRD.
UM, YEAH, I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS.
UM, HOW, HOW, HOW MANY, UM, HOW DOES IT COMPARE STARBUCKS WITH A DRIVE THROUGH VERSUS STARBUCKS WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH? WHAT'S THE RATIO OF, I MEAN, Y'ALL BUILD THESE THINGS WITHOUT DRIVE-THROUGHS, RIGHT? UM, I SAY Y'ALL STARBUCKS.
SO TYPICALLY A, A STARBUCKS WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH IS GONNA BE MORE IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? UM, WITH THEIR NEW SORT OF BUSINESS PLANS.
THEY, THEY WON'T GO TO AN AUTO, UM, ORIENTATED, UH, COMMUNITY WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH.
WITHOUT IT, IT'S JUST THE BUSINESS PLAN WON'T WORK.
UM, AND SO IF, IF THERE'S NO, JUST CANDIDLY, IF THERE'S NO DRIVE THROUGH APPROVED, UH, STARBUCKS IS OUT, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY I'M GONNA CANCEL MY CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THE LAND AND I'M MOVING ON TO SOMEWHERE ELSE AS WELL.
SO, SO GIVEN THAT, AND, UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE PROPOSED THROUGHPUT IS AT PEAK HOURS FOR A DRIVE THROUGH IN A STARBUCKS IN THIS PARTICULAR ENVIRONMENT OR SITUATION? I MEAN, THERE'S GOTTA BE A BUSINESS PLAN THAT SUPPORTS, YOU KNOW, SO MANY CARS PER HOUR BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 9:00 AM AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
IT, IT WILL BE LESS THAN THE ORIGINAL TIAI DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I COULD, I COULD GO PULL IT UP, UH, RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
UM, BUT IT'D BE SOME SUBSET OF THE PM TRIP GENERATION OR THE AM I'M SORRY, THE AM OR THE PM TRIP GENERATION.
UM, WE'LL USE THE DRIVE THROUGH AND SOME OBVIOUSLY WE'LL GO INSIDE AS WELL.
AND SOME WILL USE THOSE, UM, TO GO SPACES AS WELL.
WELL, BECAUSE, UH, SO I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THAT, UM, I GUESS IT, IT PROVES OR YOU THAT THAT TRAFFIC REALLY WON'T BE THAT MUCH MORE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING FROM A TO B, BUT NOW WE'RE STOPPING THEM TO, TO COMMISSIONER KATE'S POINT WITH THAT CURB CUT WHERE NOW THEY'RE STOPPING, THEY'RE DRIVING THROUGH AND THEN THEY'RE EXITING.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE STOPPING TO PULL IN AND THEN THEY'RE PULLING OUT, WHICH, UM, LEADS ME TO TWO OTHER THINGS.
UM, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT THROUGHPUT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT THOSE, THAT NUMBER WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT, UM, ON THE REAR ENTRANCE ON THAT EASEMENT COMING OFF OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, IT'S PROPOSED AS FUTURE.
DOES, DOES THAT MEAN IT WON'T BE THERE DAY ONE OR, UH, SO THE CUL-DE-SAC ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS HAS NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTED YET.
UM, SO IT WON'T BE ALL THE WAY DONE UNTIL THAT PHASE OF THE COMMONS AT MANGER DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, AT THAT POINT.
SO WE WILL ONLY HAVE THE CURB CUT ON HERF UNTIL THAT'S DEVELOPED.
UM, AND VERY LIKELY THE ONE ON GALLAND FOX AS WELL.
AND THAT'S THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE? YEAH.
'CAUSE THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
YEAH, THERE'S THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
THE CUL-DE-SAC AND GALLANT FOX IS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED? YES.
AND THEN THE ER, UM, THE FREESTANDING ER THAT WILL BE ON THE LOT BETWEEN GALLANT FOX AND THE STARBUCKS, UM, HAS ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS.
AND THEN WE'LL CONNECT THROUGH.
SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE QUESTIONS.
I DO WANT TO ADDRESS, UH, UH, THE TWO, UH, ITEMS YOU BROUGHT UP.
NUMBER ONE IS THE, THE RIGHT AND RIGHT ENTRANCE, UH, THAT, THAT'S NOT PART OF MY SUBMITTAL, THAT WAS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPER.
UH, HE, HE REQUESTED THAT QUITE SOME TIME AGO, UM, WITH LJ WORKED ON THAT WRITE IN, WRITE OUT, UM, AND I BELIEVE IT IS FULLY APPROVED.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AND, AND GOT THROUGH THE,
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THE, THE PROCESS BEFORE I SHOWED UP TO THE TABLE.SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF MY PROJECT PER SE.
IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLAN.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED PRIOR TO ME SHOWING UP FOR THE REQUEST FOR THE SUP.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT IS IF, IF A CAR SLOWS DOWN TO TURN IN THERE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, AS FAR AS A TRAFFIC CLOSE STANDPOINT, IT IS, IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THEM COMING AND SLOWING DOWN AND TURNING RIGHT INTO THE CUL-DE-SAC ROAD.
AND IN THE SAME WAY, IF A CAR WERE TO PULL OUT AND LEAVE THE CUL-DE-SAC, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME SORT OF PROCESS OF OF, OF PULLING OUT AND TURNING OUT THERE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT AND IT'S, IT'S, THE FLOW WOULD, WOULD NOT BE, UH, MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY HAPPENING WITH, WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC ENTRANCE.
AND, AND, BUT I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY, UH, I BELIEVE APPROVED, UH, AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN.
IT'S, IT'S NOT PART OF MY PROJECT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M ASKING FOR IT, IT JUST EXISTS THERE TODAY.
AND UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION THAT YOU BROUGHT UP IS THE, THE TRAFFIC.
ONE THING I DO KNOW ABOUT THE STARBUCKS IS THEIR PEAK, UH, TRAFFIC IS BETWEEN 6:00 AM AND NINE 9:00 AM IN THE MORNINGS, THEIR PEAK HOURS.
AND SO TYPICALLY WHEN THAT STARTS TRAILING OFF, YOU KNOW, SAY AFTER NINE O'CLOCK, NINE 30, UM, THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF YOUR RETAIL STORES START OPENING AROUND, YOU KNOW, 10:00 AM YOU KNOW, YOUR NAIL SALONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS ENTIRE RETAIL AREA WITH, WITH ALL THE SPACE IT HAS WITH THE 36 AND THE 48, SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, OVER 80 PARKING SPACES AND ALL THE CAR STACKS AND DRIVE THROUGH AND THE PICKUP SPOTS, UH, THE BULK OF, OF THE STARBUCKS USE OF THAT IS PRIOR TO EVEN WHEN ANYONE ELSE OPENS.
AND SO USUALLY THEY START SLOWING DOWN AFTER 9:00 AM PEAK TRAFFIC'S FLOWING.
NOW PEOPLE DO GO FOR COFFEES AT, AT 10 OR 11:00 AM BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT NEARLY AS, AS MUCH AS THE PEAK HOUR.
AND SO WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE SORT OF ALL DONE WITH THEIR BUSY PEAK HOUR, THEN ALL THE OTHER STORES START OPENING.
SO IT ACTUALLY IS A VERY GOOD CO-TENANCY WITH SOME OF THE OTHER RETAIL USES THAT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY COME IN WITH THEM.
AND SO IT REALLY SORT OF SOFTENS AND BALANCES EACH OTHER OUT QUITE A BIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S JUST, JUST SOMETHING.
SO LIKE IF THE FUTURE RETAIL HAPPENS TO BE A, A GOOD LUNCH SPOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY USE SOME OF THE FREE PARKING SPACES FROM THE STARBUCKS LOT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE GOING TO STARBUCKS FOR LUNCH.
AND SO THERE'LL BE FREE SPACES THERE WHICH THEY CAN KIND OF SHARE OFF EACH OTHER.
SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF, UH, SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD.
IS, IS THERE ANY, UM, UH, NEED FOR A DECELERATION LANE OR, SO IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AS A, AS A POTENTIAL QUESTION AND YOU KNOW, MY RESPONSE AS A DEVELOPER IS, WELL IF, IF, IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR ONE HERE, THEN WHY ISN'T THERE ONE ON THE, THE, THE CUL-DE-SAC JUST TO THE RIGHT? 'CAUSE IF SOMEONE'S COMING IN AND TURNS INTO THAT CUL-DE-SAC, HOW'S IT ANY DIFFERENT THAN COMING IN, TURNING INTO THE, THE TURNIN LANE AS FAR AS A TRAFFIC LOAD STANDPOINT? SO, YOU KNOW, AND ALTERNATIVELY, IF YOU GO RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, HTO, WHICH IS ALSO A DRIVE THROUGH, VERY SIMILAR TO STARBUCKS, UM, THEY JUST WENT IN AND THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE A DESAL LANE.
SO I DON'T, I WONDER WITH THAT PRECEDENCE BEING SET THERE, WHY, WHY WOULD THE PRECEDENTS CHANGE FOR SOMETHING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET? UM, I GUESS, I GUESS THAT'S A, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
I, I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE BUSINESSES AND BERNIE THAT HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO HAVE D CELL FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY AND, AND NOT SO MUCH BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THEIR NEIGHBOR HAS ONE OR DOESN'T HAVE ONE.
BUT, UM, WELL I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
COMMISSIONER LEVO, WELL, I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT I DON'T KNOW, IS IT KNOWN YET WHERE THE FIRE LANE WOULD GO ON THIS SITE? OR I GUESS ONCE THESE THREE ARE BUILT OUT MM-HMM
UM, SO ALL OF, NO, YOU'RE FINE.
UM, ALL OF THIS AREA WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE FOR, UM, FIRE ACCESS.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BECAUSE, UM, FIRE CODE CAN BE COMPLICATED.
UM, SO THERE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.
THERE CAN BE LIKE A HOSE DROP LENGTH, UM, AS LONG AS IT'S ACCESSIBLE.
WE WOULD ENSURE THAT IT MEETS ALL FIRE CODE REGULATIONS DURING PERMITTING PROCESS.
SO IT MIGHT GO IN THAT NORTH SOUTH ACCESS THAT DRIVE BETWEEN THE, THE TWO RETAILS POSSIBLY.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER WHITE? MM-HMM
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MR. FRIAR.I FEEL LIKE THE TASMANIAN DEVIL RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE MY HEAD IS LIKE SPINNING IN SO MANY DIRECTIONS.
UM, FIRST I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SAY AGAIN, WHAT I THINK WE ALL SAID LAST MONTH TO YOU GUYS IS THAT YOU LISTENED AND WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU LISTENED AND YOU RESEARCHED AND YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR AESTHETICALLY IN SOBO.
AND I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB AT THAT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
YOU, YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT OUR JOB IS TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND I AGREE AND UNDERSTAND ALL THE THINGS YOU JUST EXPLAINED AND YOU, YOU DO A GREAT JOB AT IT.
UM, AND I REALIZE THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS WORK TOGETHER, AS YOU'VE SAID, BUT WHAT DOESN'T WORK WITH THAT SCENARIO IS THAT WE HAVE TWO HIGH SCHOOLS VERY CLOSE TOGETHER THAT START BEFORE 9:00 AM AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THIS BOTTLENECK ON HERFF ROAD COMES FROM AS WELL.
SO THAT IS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I ALSO, I FEEL LIKE I'M MISSING A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE ON THIS CURB CUT.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I FEEL LIKE HOW IF THAT, IF THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, WHO GOT, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? WHO GOT THAT? THAT'S A NATHAN QUESTION.
UM, UH, IT'S, UH, JUSTIN IS GOING TO BE THE PROPERTY DEVELOPER, THE STARBUCKS, THE RETAIL, THE PROPERTY IS BEING SUBDIVIDED AND THE SUBDIVISION IS BEING DEVELOPED BY A SEPARATE ENTITY.
AND IT WAS THAT ENTITY WHO REQUESTED THE WRITE AND WRITE OUT WHEN AND WAIT, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN WAS THIS REQUESTED? SO, UM, ON THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN BACK IN 20 19, 20 18, I BELIEVE IT WAS ACTUALLY 2018, IT DOES SHOW THE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT AT THIS LOCATION.
DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN? I'VE NOT SEEN ONE THAT WAS BEFORE MY TENURE ON THE COMMISSION, SO I DON'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
UH, IT'S ALSO BEEN INCLUDED IN SOME LOC SUBMITTALS, UM, SINCE THEN REGARDING THE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THE ONE THING THAT THE, HOLD ONE SECOND, MR. MARK.
I'M TRYING TO, 'CAUSE I'M GRASPING, I'M READING THIS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED, IT SHOWS THE PLAT WAS RECORDED JULY 2ND, 2025, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WAS NECESSARILY THE CASE.
THAT'S TWO MONTHS IN THE FUTURE, BUT, UM, 24, EXCUSE ME.
UM, WHEN ALL THIS WAS APPROVED, MY GUESS IS THE REASON THAT THEY HAVE TO COME TO US FOR AN SUP BECAUSE IT IS A DRIVE THROUGH AND WE HAVE A STACKING ISSUE WHEN YOU HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STARBUCKS.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NECESSARILY WEDDED TO THAT BECAUSE NOW WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE AN SUP FOR A DRIVE THROUGH WITH POTENTIAL STACKING EFFECTS ON A MAJOR ARTERIAL BYPASS THAT CONNECTS HIGHWAY 46 TO MAIN STREET TO I 10.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN YOU'RE HEARING.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION TO THIS, AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A PROPOSAL OR TWO, BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER FRIAR AND COMMISSIONER SENIO FIRST, I'M GONNA LET YOU GO WHILE I GATHER.
ALRIGHT, KRIS, THAT'S WHY I WAS TAKING NOTES.
UM, CAN WE GO TO THE, UH, SATELLITE, THE WHICH ONE? I'M SORRY.
SO FIRST I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED BOTH HERE IN PERSON AND ALSO VIA EMAIL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE READ IT, WE ACKNOWLEDGE IT, WE, IT BECOMES PART OF, I THINK OF OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
SO I, I DID WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, ALTHOUGH IF YOU CASUALLY FOLLOWED THIS PROJECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD'VE BEEN A STANDING ROOM ONLY, UH, MEETING HERE TONIGHT.
SO I'M A BIT SURPRISED THAT WE'VE ONLY RECEIVED THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED.
THAT SAID, UM, I ALSO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THE DEVELOPER FOR ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS TONIGHT AND BEING PROACTIVE ABOUT BRINGING THIS FORWARD COUPLE A MONTH OR TWO AGO.
UM, SO I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I'M, I THINK I MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONTRARIAN TONIGHT BECAUSE I TRAVEL THIS CORRIDOR ALMOST DAILY, ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES I TAKE OLD SAN ANTONIO TO MAKE IT THE SCENIC ROUTE.
UM, BUT I ALMOST THINK THAT IT MIGHT SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN, IT
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MIGHT MAKE THINGS SAFER BECAUSE IF YOU TRAVEL HER FROM SAN ANTONIO TO MAINE, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC TURNS LEFT TOWARDS I 10.AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TURNING LEFT ARE ON, IN THE, ON THE LEFT HAND LANE.
EXCEPT FOR THE NASCAR DRIVERS THAT WANT TO GET IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY TURNING LEFT, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT RIGHT HAND LANE CLOSEST TO THE BUSINESSES, UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO SPEED UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, DESPITE BERNIE POLICE'S FINEST EFFORTS AND PATROLLING THAT AREA.
I DID SEE YOU BACK THERE, SIR.
UM, SO I, I ALMOST THINK THAT IT'S GONNA SLOW THINGS DOWN BECAUSE AS PEOPLE START GETTING CONDITIONED THAT PEOPLE ARE TURN, THAT CARS ARE TURNING INTO THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY SLOW THINGS DOWN.
UM, THAT SAID, I ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW FEASIBLE IT'S GOING TO BE TO, I, I MEAN, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S ABOUT SIX LOTS THERE BETWEEN SAN ANTONIO AND, AND THE FIRST CUL-DE-SAC.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FEASIBLE IT IS TO, TO THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA GET SIX NON DRIVE THROUGH ESTABLISHMENTS THERE.
I MEAN, I'M THINKING, UM, SANDWICH SHOPS, UH, YOU KNOW, BOUTIQUES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE'RE GONNA GET.
UM, SO I, I APPLAUD THE EFFORTS.
UM, AND I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK AT SOME POINT WE REALLY HAVE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT WE ASK THE DEVELOPER TO MITIGATE AS MANY OF THE CONCERNS AS POSSIBLE, WHICH I THINK THEY HAVE.
UM, I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PLAT, THE NEXT ONE, I'M LOOKING AT 11 CARS THAT ARE STACKED IN THE DRIVE-THRU.
I THINK IF YOU, NATURALLY THE TRAFFIC COMES IN AND YOU'RE GONNA GO TOWARDS THE DRIVE-THRU, I THINK EVEN BEYOND THE 11, YOU'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE ROOM TO STACK ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX THERE BEFORE YOU START GETTING INTO THE PARKING SPACES.
PERSONALLY, IF I SEE 16 CARS STACKED UP FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH, I'M JUST GONNA KEEP GOING.
AND I THINK I CAN SEE THAT FROM HER ROAD.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AS EVERYONE ELSE IS.
I THINK, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A PLAN FOR THE, FOR 11 PLUS VEHICLES.
UM, AND I THINK IF ANYTHING, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY SLOW THINGS DOWN.
UM, MR. HOON, DID YOU WANNA RESPOND? YES, PLEASE DO.
UH, THANK YOU BOTH FOR, FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, SO I FIRST WANNA ADDRESS, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN FRIAR'S COMMENTS ON THE THE 9:00 AM SCHOOL TRAFFIC.
AND AGAIN, UM, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THAT TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO THE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE MORNING, THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO CREATE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AND ADDITIONAL BOTTLENECKING.
THOSE PEOPLE ARE MERELY GONNA POP OFF GRAB IF, IF THEY CHOOSE TO GET A COFFEE, THEY'RE GONNA POP AND GRAB IT AND GET BACK ON ON THE REGULAR TRAFFIC FLOW.
IT'S NOT CREATING ADDITIONAL CARS, UH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND SO, UM, THE, THE OTHER COMMENT WAS ON THE 11 CARS SECTION, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
SO WHAT WE ARE FINDING NOW WITH, WITH STARBUCKS IS, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW ARE ORDERING ON THE MOBILE APP.
AND SO IF THEY, IF THEY, UH, GET IN THE HABIT OF PICKING UP A COFFEE ON THE WAY WHEN THEY LEAVE THE HOUSE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL PLACE THE ORDER ON THE APP.
AND WHAT THEY DO IS STARBUCKS REQUIRES FOUR MOBILE ORDER PICKUP SPOTS, AND THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE ONES RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PATIO.
AND SO WHAT'LL HAPPEN, A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW ARE ACTUALLY JUST GONNA PULL INTO THAT SPOT.
THEY'LL ACTUALLY WALK INTO THE STORE AND THEIR COFFEE'S READY TO GRAB IT AND LEAVE.
SO IT'LL ACTUALLY BE CONSIDERABLY FASTER THAN WAITING IN AN 11 CAR STACK WAITING TO PLACE YOUR ORDER, AND THEN GETTING ALL THE WAY UP IN THEIR COFFEE, WAITING FOR IT TO GET MADE, AND THEN PICKING UP THE WINDOW, PAYING AND LEAVING THE PAYMENT, THE ORDER, EVERYTHING'S DONE ON THE APP.
THEY PULL IN, THE COFFEE'S READY WHEN THEY WALK IN.
BUT WE ACTUALLY REALLY PREFER THAT LIKE AS A, AS AN OWNER DEVELOPER, BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING OUTTA THE CAR AND THEY'RE INTERACTING WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEIR COMMUNITY.
WHEN THEY'RE PICKING UP THEIR C**K, THEY'RE SAYING HI TO PEOPLE.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST A BETTER OVERALL EXPERIENCE FOR, FOR EVERYONE.
SO IF YOU REALLY TOOK, SO THEY REQUIRE FOUR, I PUT SIX IN THERE.
AND SO IF YOU REALLY THINK OF THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S ESSENTIALLY FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, PERSON, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY 17 SPOTS FOR THEM BEFORE THEY ARE ACTUALLY HAVING TO USE A NON SORT OF DRIVE-THROUGH PICKUP SPOT.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS, UH, UH, UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TRAFFIC FLOW.
THE, UM, THE, THE, THE LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS WAS THE RIDE IN RIDE OUT.
UM, THERE'S ABOUT SIX ONE ACRE SITES AVAILABLE HERE.
STARBUCKS SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO GO ON THIS SITE BECAUSE IT
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HAD THE PRE-APPROVED DRIVING RIDE AND WRITE OUT, UM, IF THAT GOES AWAY, STARBUCKS WON'T BE INTERESTED IN THIS SITE.AND IF, IF THEY DON'T SIGN THE LEASE WITH ME, UM, YOU KNOW, QUITE QUITE HONESTLY, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BUILD THE PROJECT.
THE, THE REASON IS, UM, IT'S INCREDIBLY HARD TO MAKE NUMBERS WORK ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS TODAY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE DOING PREMIUM PRODUCTS, RAYMAR COLLECTION, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, BIGGER LANDSCAPES, UH, INSTALLATIONS THAN NORMAL, LARGER COMMUNITY SPACE, PATIO SPACES, POCKET MARKS, ALL THESE THINGS.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE THE, THE NUMBERS WORK TODAY.
WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ALL TIME HIGH.
WE NOW HAVE INCREASED TARIFFS.
WE HAVE, UH, LABOR COSTS HAVE NOT COME DOWN YET AT ALL.
AND WE HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHEST INTEREST RATES THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 15, 20 YEARS.
AND SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK.
UM, HAVING STARBUCKS IN AS A PREMIUM TENANT, THEY HELP BRING SOME OF THE OTHER TENANTS INTO THE SPACE, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
IF THEY GO IN, IT'S EASY TO LEASE OUT THE REST WITH BETTER QUALITY TENANTS.
AND STARBUCKS PAYS A PREMIUM IN RENT.
UM, IF, IF THEY'RE OUT, THE REST OF THE PROJECT KIND OF FALLS AWAY.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT EVERYONE WAS, WAS AWARE OF THAT.
UM, AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE THINGS I JOTTED DOWN HERE TO ADDRESS.
YOU COMMISSIONER, FIRE COMMENTS.
SO ON THE CURRENT STARBUCKS THAT WE HAVE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR STACKING NUMBERS ARE? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA YOUR CURRENT STARBUCKS? YEAH, NO.
IS THERE SOME WAY TO, I I THINK THE BIG, ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS IS THAT IF, IF MORE CARS ARE STACKING, WHICH I THINK IN THE FUTURE AND GROWTH AND BURNING, THAT THAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN.
IS THERE A WAY TO ENSURE THAT THE STACKING OF ADDITIONAL VEHICLES ISN'T GOING TO COME BACK TOWARDS HERF? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CURRENT STARBUCKS, IS IT BACKS UP THE CHURCH, IT BACKS UP UPPER BALCONES, AND IT IS JUST A DISASTER.
AND THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT REFERENCE POINT THAT WE HAVE OF WHAT A PAIN THAT IS OVER THERE.
IF THERE WAS A WAY SOME GUARANTEE THAT THE STACKING IS GOING TO BE STAY AT THE BACK OF THE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, I THINK THAT MIGHT GIVE SOME COMFORT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF, OF THE CONCERN.
AND I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR STAFF IS HOW MANY OTHER CURB CUTS ARE THERE? I MEAN, I THOUGHT THE WHOLE POINT OF, OF THIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO WAS HERF WAS A BYPASS, HERS HERF WAS TO HELP TRAFFIC GET AROUND TOWN.
KNOWING THOUGH THAT, OF COURSE, I, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT WOULD RATHER THIS STAY GREEN SPACE FOREVER AND EVER, WE KNOW IN THE REAL WORLD THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
BUT OF COURSE WE WANNA MINIMIZE THE IMPACT.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS THAT THESE CUL-DE-SACS WERE DESIGNED THAT WAY WITH THE BACKSTREET TO PREVENT ALL THESE ACCESS POINTS.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S MAYBE NOT REALLY GONNA BE THE CASE.
SO WHERE, WHAT HAPPENED AND WHERE, WHAT ELSE IS ALREADY THERE THAT WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT OR DON'T KNOW ABOUT? SO MAYBE I'LL, I'LL ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO WHOEVER WANTS TO REST A SECOND.
UM, SO THERE'S A SIMILAR LAYOUT TO THIS IN, IN LAKEWAY, WHICH IS A SUBURB WEST OF AUSTIN.
AND WHAT, WHAT WE FOUND HAPPENS MOSTLY WITH THAT STORE IS IF, IF THE, THE, THE STACK, AND THAT ONLY HAS AN EIGHT CAR STACK.
AND SO THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE IT GETS FULL.
AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL STACKING IS, IS VERY ORGANIC.
AND SO, UH, LIKE IF I WERE TO TAKE THAT FROM WHAT WE SEE THERE AND PUT IT ON THIS, YOU'D ACTUALLY SEE SOME CARS LINED UP, UM, BETWEEN THE SPACE, BETWEEN THE CURRENT RETAIL AND THE FUTURE RETAIL.
SO ALONG THAT STINK, BUT YOU ALSO SEE SOME CARS STACKING UP WHERE IT SAYS LIKE 48 SPACES.
AND, AND SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, THERE WILL BE SOME PEOPLE COMING IN FROM, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING EAST, AND THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN TURN IS THROUGH THE CUL-DE-SAC.
AND SO IF THE CAR STACK IS FULL, THEY'LL START STACKING ON THAT THROUGH ROAD WHERE IT SAYS 48 SPACES.
UM, IF PEOPLE DO COME IN ON THE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT, THEY WILL STACK IN BETWEEN THE TWO RETAIL BUILDINGS IF, IF THE CAR THROUGH DRIVE THROUGH IS FULL.
AND THEN WE MAY EVEN GET SOME TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE APARTMENT BUILDING WHO WANTS TO GRAB A COFFEE ON THE WAY TO WORK, WHATEVER, OR FROM THE EMERGENCY CENTER OR EMPLOYEES THERE WHO WILL ACTUALLY STACK, UH, WHERE IT SAYS 36 SPACES.
AND SO WHAT WE FOUND IS IT, IT, IT IS PRETTY ORGANIC
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AND IT CAN EBB AND FLOW AS TRAFFIC FLOWS CHANGE.BUT IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT AN THAT PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE AT LEAST 12 CARS STACKED BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS BEFORE YOU START GETTING CLOSE TO THE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT.
YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER EIGHT CAR STACKS TO TOWARDS THE CUL-DE-SAC AND AT LEAST ANOTHER EIGHT, UH, BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ER CENTER.
AND SO IF YOU, IF YOU REALLY THINK OF IT THAT WAY, THERE, THERE COULD BE OVER 30 CARS STACKING BEFORE IT POTENTIALLY WOULD, WOULD FILTER OUT ONTO HERF ROAD.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO, IF THEY DO COME IN AND SEE IT'S EXCEPTIONALLY LONG LINES, ME, ME INCLUDED, I WOULD, I WOULD PARK AND JUST GO IN OR I WOULD DO THE MOBILE APP AND GRAB SOMETHING THERE.
SO IT'S NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN HAPPENING IN LAKEWAY.
UM, AND SO I DO THINK WE ARE VERY LUCKY WITH THIS SITE THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE EXTRA SPACES FOR CARS TO COME IN AND TO EXIT AND TO STACK.
UH, SOME SPACES ARE NOT THAT LUCKY.
THEY HAVE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
AND IF IT'S FULL, IT'S GONNA SPILL OUT ON HERF AND THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE CASE HERE.
IS THAT YOUR QUESTION FOR NOW? FOR NOW
AND THEN, UM, YOU GO, I'LL OPEN UP TO RUDY WANTS TO TAKE THE, MR. CARROLL, YOU GOT A COMMENT.
MR. CARROLL AND I WERE BOTH BURDENED BY OUR PARTICIPATION IN MEMBERSHIP IN THE KENDALL COUNTY.
WHAT WAS IT CALLED? REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION.
IT WAS K KENDALL COUNTY, BERNIE FAIR OAKS TRANSPORTATION.
WE SERVED ON THAT FOR TWO PLUS YEARS.
ABOUT LOTS AND LOTS OF MEETINGS.
AND, UM, I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT MR. CARROLL HAS TO SAY, BUT I I WILL JUST SORT OF PREFACE THAT REMARK BECAUSE I NOTICED HE WAS IN THE AUDIENCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT TOO FAR FROM THIS LOCATION IS THE INTERSECTION OF RIVER ROAD ESSER AND HERF, WHICH IS THE ABSOLUTE MOST CONGESTED INTERSECTION IN THE COUNTY.
AND WE HEARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN WE MET AS A COLLECTIVE TRANSPORTATION BODY THAT THAT WAS JUST A NIGHTMARE TRANSVERSING THROUGH THERE.
AND SO, UM, WE JUST CANNOT RISK STACKING ONTO HERF F WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MITIGATE THAT FROM THE GET GO.
WE JUST CAN'T HAVE CARS STACKING ON HERF LIKE TO DO ON UPPER BELL COUNTIES WITH THE CURRENT STARBUCKS.
ANYWAY, MR. CARROLL, GO AHEAD.
AND SO I HAVE SOME UNIQUE HISTORY WITH THIS PROJECT.
UH, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS LOCATION FOR SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS NOW.
UM, BEFORE MY TIME HERE AT THE CITY, I'VE BEEN AT THE CITY FOR FIVE YEARS AND THAT WAS A COUPLE TIMES BEFORE THAT.
UM, BUT A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ANSWERED TONIGHT OR QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, SORRY, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER.
THE PRE UDC DEVELOPMENT CODE DID NOT ALLOW FOR ANY DRIVEWAYS ON OUR MAJOR ARTERIALS, WHICH, UH, HERF ROAD IS ONE OF THOSE MAJOR ARTERIALS.
WHEN WE WROTE THE UDC, SOME LANGUAGE GOT ADDED THAT WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO PUSH A LOT OF LANGUAGE TO REFERENCE TEXT DOTS ACCESS CONTROL MANUAL, UM, WHICH A LOT OF DEVELOPERS KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE TXDOT MANUAL, IT'S VERY SPEED DEPENDENT ON SPACING.
AND SO SOME LANGUAGE GOT WRITTEN WITH THE UDC THAT DEFINED THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A ONE WAY ROAD OR WHEN YOU HAVE A DIVIDED MEDIAN ROAD THAT YOU COULD REFERENCE THE TXDOT MANUAL FOR RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAYS.
AND AT THE TIME, REALLY HERF ROAD IS REALLY THE ONLY ROAD WE HAVE IN TOWN THAT HAS A RAISED MEDIAN TODAY.
UM, IN THE FUTURE THERE'LL BE SEVERAL ROADS THAT MIGHT GET DEVELOPED THAT MIGHT HAVE THAT.
UM, SO THAT WAS A CODE THAT GOT ADDED WHEN WE ADDED THE UDC IN 22.
BUT GOING BACK TO WHEN THIS MASTER PLAN WAS DEVELOPED OR WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2018, UM, KATE'S MIGHT REMEMBER, UM, THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND ASKED MANY TIMES ABOUT DRIVEWAYS AND THE ACTUAL APPROVED MASTER PLAN DOES HAVE DRIVEWAYS ON THERE.
UM, BUT THERE'S BEEN OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE DRIVEWAYS EVEN THOUGH THE MASTER PLAN DID HAVE DRIVEWAYS SHOWN.
UM, BUT WE HAD MANY DISCUSSION ITEMS WHERE WE TALKED THROUGH DRIVEWAYS AND DECELERATION LANES AND TURN LANES.
AND AT THE TIME IN THE OLD CODE, ALL WE HAD TO GO ON WAS OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ORDINANCE AND THE 10% DECREASE IN LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THE ROADWAY.
WHEN WE CREATED THE UDC, WE ALSO CREATED A, A VERY SIGNIFICANT DRIVEWAY RULES.
AND SO WE HAVE SPECIFIC RULES NOW FOR RIGHT TURNS, LEFT TURNS AND DESAL LANES ON THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT WOULD TRIGGER, UM, TURN LANES BEING REQUIRED.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING IN OUR CURRENT CODE WE DO REQUIRE.
BUT HOWEVER, THIS PROJECT, IT WAS VESTED BACK TO THE OLD CODES, BUT AT THE TIME THEY TURNED IN, THE MASTER DEVELOPER TURNED IN THEIR SUBMITTAL.
THERE WAS A THREE YEAR WINDOW THAT WE HAD THAT ALLOWED WRITE-IN, WRITE OUT DRIVEWAYS.
BUT IF YOU RECALL, LAST AUGUST, WE CHANGED THE CODE WHERE WE REMOVED THAT TDOT REFERENCE AND WE ERASED THE TDOT REFERENCE AND THAT WE ADDED A SET DISTANCE OF 400 FEET.
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ASKED THAT QUESTION OF THE WRITE-IN, WRITE OUT DRIVEWAY.SO THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS, THERE WAS A SECTION OF TIME AND CODE THAT WE HAD ALLOWED FOR THAT DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND ONE OF THE OTHER GENERAL QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED WAS ABOUT THE, UH, THE EXISTING STARBUCKS.
UM, 'CAUSE MY ROLE AT THE CITY NOW, WE GET THAT PHONE CALL ALL THE TIME.
UM, THE EXISTING STARBUCKS HAS ABOUT 14 Q SPOTS THAT WRAP AROUND THE BUILDING TO THE EXISTING UPPER BAES ROAD.
AND WHERE WE GET MOST OF OUR COMPLAINTS IS IT BACKS UP ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX SPOTS ON UPPER BALCONES.
SO IT'S ABOUT 20 SPOTS IS OUR NORMAL QUEUE THAT WE HAVE THE PROBLEMS WITH ON UPPER BALCONES.
UM, THIS ONE IS MENTIONED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE.
THERE'S 11 OR 12 IN THE QUEUE, BUT IT'S ANOTHER SEVEN, EIGHT SPOTS.
BY THE TIME IT WOULD GET BACK ALL THE WAY TO UPPER BALCONES, I'M SORRY, GET BACK TO HERF ROAD.
AND THEN IT HAS THE OPTION TO BRANCH BACK TO THE OTHER ACCESS POINTS.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A KEY DISCUSSION AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE OF YOU BROUGHT IT UP THAT IT DOES HAVE TWO OR THREE OTHER ROUTES.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE SPOT TO GET TO THAT DRIVE THROUGH LANE.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE HOW THOSE CARS ALL GET TO THAT SPOT.
NOW, THE CUL-DE-SAC IS MENTIONED, THE CUL-DE-SAC ON THE RIGHT HAS NOT BEEN BUILT YET.
IT'LL BE A FUTURE PROJECT, THE CUL-DE-SAC ON THE LEFT GALL WAY GALLANT FOX IS BUILT.
BUT BASICALLY THAT ER HASN'T BEEN BUILT.
AND SO WE NEED TO CONNECT AND HAVE THAT ACCESS ROAD TO CONNECT FOR THAT OTHER ACCESS POINT.
UM, SO JUST THOSE ARE WAYS TO GET THAT OTHER ACCESS POINT TO THERE.
UM, PER OUR CURRENT RULES, AGAIN, THIS WAS KIND OF A, THE OLD CODE IN BETWEEN TIME PERIOD BY OUR CURRENT RULES, A DECELERATION LANE WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS DRIVEWAY IF WE'RE FOLLOWING THE CURRENT RULES.
BUT IT'S GRANDFATHERED BACK TO THE OLD CODE.
I THINK THAT WAS ALL THE QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I MISSED ONE MR. FAR.
SO DID I HEAR YOU SAY THE CURRENT CODE ALLOWS FOR A DRIVEWAY EVERY 400 FEET RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY ON A FOUR LANE ROAD WITH A RAISED MEDIAN.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF THESE.
SO IF, IF YOU RECALL, AND I DON'T HAVE A, IT'S NOT THEIR PROBLEM IF IT'S JUST THE CITY PROBLEM.
THEIR PROBLEM
UM, BUT THERE IS, WITH THE EXISTING ROADS THAT ARE THERE NOW, UM, IT DOES LIMIT, IT'S NOT AS MANY AS YOU THINK, BUT THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED HOW MANY POTENTIAL DRIVEWAYS THAT COULD BE.
UM, BUT THE T SPACING RULE THAT WE REMOVED WAS 250 FEET.
SO WE ERASED THE TXDOT RULE AND CHANGED IT TO 400.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION, MR. BOARD? OF COURSE.
SO THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT'S THERE NOW BY THE VETERINARY HOSPITAL AND, AND SERVES THE APARTMENTS, UM, CAN WE NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT CONNECTING EASEMENT EVEN BEFORE THE ER IS DEVELOPED? UH, YES.
I MEAN THE, THE ACT I UNDERSTAND THE ACCESS EASEMENT'S PLATTED TODAY, SO YEAH.
SO IT'D JUST BE A MATTER OF IF THE ER FOR WHATEVER REASON WERE TO BE DELAYED, IT COULD JUST BE THE PAVEMENT COULD GET ADDED NOW TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
WELL, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MOVE SOME OF YOUR TRAFFIC VERY EASILY OFF OF, I MEAN, IT'S STILL GONNA COME OUT ON HERFF ROAD, BUT, UH, YEAH, I'M, I'M, I THINK, I MEAN I'M A FAN OF THE PROJECT MM-HMM
I, I MEAN STARBUCKS IS A BLUE OCEAN COMPANY AND UH, I THINK IT'D BE, IT'D BE GREAT FOR BERNIE.
WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.
ANY OTHER THANK YOU, MR. CARROLL.
UM, MR. HOBSON, YOU'VE GOT A COMMENT THEN I'LL SHARE SOME THOUGHTS.
ONE MORE COMMENT, UM, THAT RUDY SHARED WITH ME.
UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE OTHER STARBUCKS IN BERNIE, LIKE PERSONALLY, AND, UH, I KNOW IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION ISSUES THERE.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A STARK DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.
UH, THIS CAR, WHICH IS ALREADY STARTING TO BLOCK PARKING SPOTS AND ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS THE EIGHTH CAR IN THE, IN, IN THE STACK.
SO YOU LITERALLY CAN FIT IN ABOUT SIX, MAYBE SEVEN CARS IN THE CAR STACK BEFORE YOU START SPILLING OUT INTO THE PARKING LOT.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY ONLY HAVE SEVEN PARKING SPACES AND TWO HANDICAP SPACES IN THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH 36 SPACES, 11 CARS IN THE CAR STACK, EIGHT MOBILE ORDER PICKUP, JUST, UH, SORRY, SIX MOBILE ORDER PICKUP IS, AND THEN WE HAVE THE PROJECT NEXT TO IT, WHICH, WHICH EVENTUALLY WOULD BE PART OF THIS.
IT, IT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE CURRENT ISSUES THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING IN THE STARBUCKS.
SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT OUT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.
IT'S A MUCH SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
I'VE NEVER BEEN TO THE STARBUCKS.
SO MORE, I'M MORE OF AN ESPRESSO GUY.
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BUT, BUT THAT SAID, UM, DOES THAT STARBUCKS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO STAY? I MEAN, IS IT KIND OF A GATHERING PLACE? 'CAUSE THIS FEELS LIKE IT'S A GATHERING PLACE WITH PATIO.YOU'RE THAT FRUSTRATED BY THE TIME YOU GET IN THE PARKING LOT.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I JUST WANNA LEAVE BECAUSE THIS FEELS LIKE WITH THE PATIO AND THE, THE DESIGN, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S MORE OF A GATHERING PLACE, WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO ENCOURAGE MORE CARS TO PARK, RIGHT? STAY.
THIS PLAN IS THEIR LARGER FOOTPRINT, WHICH HAS A LARGER INDOOR SPACE AS WELL AS WE ARE AS THE LANDLORD BUILDING A, A TWICE AS BIG OUTDOOR PATIO SPACE.
AND WE'RE COVERING IT WITH SOME, UH, LIKE, UM, UH, PERGOLA SPACE, YOU KNOW, TO SHADE IT.
SO I, THE OTHER THING THAT'S KIND OF VERY IRONIC IN THE TIMING, UH, STARBUCKS HAS MADE A, A SHIFT IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS IF YOU'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE NEWS WHERE THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING BACK TO WANTING TO CREATE MORE OF A GATHERING SPACE WITHIN THE STORES.
SO, UM, STARTING 10 YEARS AGO, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY DECIDED TO PURPOSELY, UH, TRY AND MAKE THE INSIDE AS, AS UNCOMFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE SO PEOPLE DON'T HANG OUT ALL DAY
AND, AND WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT, RIGHT? THEY, THEY'VE HAD NO SOFT SURFACES ON THEIR CHAIRS.
UH, THEY, THEY PURPOSELY WOULD MAKE IT LOUD ON ECHOEY, UH, THEY PUT IN LESS SEATING AND THEY REALLY WANTED PEOPLE TO BUY A COFFEE AND GET OUTTA THE STORE AND LEAVE.
AND SO THEY'VE MADE A A, A BIG SHIFT NOW TO GO BACK TO THE ROOTS OF CREATING, UH, AN ACTUAL COFFEE LOUNGE FEELING THERE.
THEY'RE BRINGING LEATHER BACK INTO THEIR CHAIRS, THEY'RE ADDING MORE ARTWORK, THEY'RE DOING SOUNDPROOFING, THEY'RE MAKING LARGER SPACES WITHIN THE STORES FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE, UH, SOCIAL GATHERINGS WITH, WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
SO I THINK THE TIMING IS REALLY GOOD HERE BECAUSE, UH, THIS WOULD BE IN, IN, IN WITH THAT VISION OF CREATING MORE OF THE TRADITIONAL STARBUCKS ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO I THINK, UM, YES, IT, IT IS ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN, GATHER, GET SOME COFFEE, MAYBE GET SOME WORK DONE, THE COMPUTER, WHEREAS THE OLDER STARBUCKS DEFINITELY DID NOT WANT THAT.
SO YEAH, IT'S MORE OF A LIFESTYLE BRAND.
AND UH, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN STARBUCKS CAME ON THE SCENE AND WAS CONVINCING PEOPLE TO SPEND SEVEN, EIGHT, $9 FOR A CUP OF COFFEE, IT WAS A PLACE TO BE SEEN AND TO GATHER AND TO READ YOUR WALL STREET JOURNAL AND YOUR NEW YORK TIMES AND YEAH, IT WAS, IT'S KIND OF COOL TO SEE THAT COMING BACK EXPERIENCE RATHER THAN JUST A COFFEE.
QUESTION FOR MR. MR. THOMPSON, DO YOU HAVE THIS CURRENTLY IN CONTRACT? IS THAT WE HAVE AN LOI SIGNED WITH, I MEAN, WITH STARBUCKS, BUT I MEAN WITH STARBUCKS, WITH THE PROPERTY ITSELF, I JUST, I HAVE THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT.
11 A AND 11 BI HAVE 'EM BOTH UNDER CONTRACT.
I'D LOVE IT MORE IF WE COULD SOLVE THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AND I THINK WE CAN, MR. CARROLL MENTIONED THE DECELERATION LANE.
IF YOU'VE GOT BOTH LOTS, 11 A AND 11 B, YOU CAN PUT IN A DECEL LANE NO PROBLEM.
I LIKE THAT IDEA BECAUSE MY SERVICE ON THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE JUST INGRAINED ME WITH THE NOTION WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON HERF ROAD THAT IS GONNA MAKE TRAFFIC WORSE.
WE HAVE TO BE SURE, I MEAN, A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE STACKING, STOPPING TRAFFIC ON HEAR ROAD.
UM, AND I THINK THE DESAL LANE GIVES US A LITTLE EXTRA CUSHION.
OUR STANDARD DESAL LANE, MR. CARROLL, WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE IN TERMS OF LENGTH COMING OFF HERF WILL GIVE US A LITTLE EXTRA CUSHION TO ENSURE THAT THAT HERF TRAFFIC MOVES CONTINUOUSLY.
I, YOU KNOW, MR. SENIO KUSHNER SENNO NOTED THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.
OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE SAYING TRAFFIC IS TOO SLOW THE WAY IT IS.
UH, WE HAVE TO BE SURE THAT WE DON'T MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE.
AND I THINK WE CAN DO THINGS THAT WILL GUARANTEE THAT, LIKE THE DE CELL LINK.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SUGGEST, BECAUSE I'VE LEARNED THIS FROM MY 19-YEAR-OLD SON, HE SPENT 40 MINUTES AT A WHATABURGER DRIVE THROUGH LINE ONCE AND REALIZED, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT AN APP I CAN ORDER ON THE APP AND NOT WAIT BUT FIVE MINUTES TO GET MY FOOD.
AND BY GOD, THAT'S WHAT HE DOES NOW.
UM, AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THOSE, THOSE APP PARKING SPACES IN THE FRONT.
BUT I DO SEE A PROBLEM, AGAIN, WITH, WITH FLOW AND EFFICIENCY.
IF YOU HAVE YOUR FOLKS IN THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT ARE THEN TURNING LEFT AND GOING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT WHILE THEY'VE GOT FOLKS CROSSING BACK AND FORTH TO PICK UP THEIR APP ORDERS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY EFFICIENT AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY SAFE.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER IS THE DESAL LANE A RIGHT TURN IN ONLY? NO.
RIGHT OUT THERE WHERE THE RIGHT TURN IN, RIGHT TURN IN, ONLY THE OUT GOES DOWN HERE.
STRAIGHT SHOT FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE EXIT ONLY.
SO WE HAVE AN ENTRANCE ONLY, RIGHT
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TURN ONLY.WE HAVE AN EXIT ONLY EXTENDING FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE.
THAT WAY WE'RE NOT HAVING YOUR DRIVE THROUGH CUSTOMERS DRIVING THROUGH AN AREA WHERE YOU'VE GOT WALKTHROUGH CUSTOMERS PICKING UP THEIR APP ORDERS.
I THINK THAT GUARANTEES MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY AND MAXIMUM FLOW AND WILL HELP ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE STACKING ON HERF ROAD.
WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING AS A COMMISSIONER OF A CITY THAT'S GONNA RISK STACKING ON HERF ROAD.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD THAT BACK ROAD ALREADY IN PLACE, I'D BE LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER AVENUES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE AT THE MOMENT AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THAT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE.
I'M SURE THE DEVELOPER IS WAITING FOR OTHER LOTS TO BE SOLD JUST LIKE THE TWO THAT YOU'VE GOT UNDER CONTRACT BEFORE WE ENCOURAGE THAT EXPENSE.
UM, BUT THAT COULD BE A YEAR, TWO, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE SADDLED WITH A PROBLEM THAT WE'VE CREATED FOR THE COMMUNITY WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.
SO I THINK, I MEAN, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE CITY I THINK IS EVIDENT.
WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU AS WELL.
THIS IS A PROJECT, I THINK THAT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE'VE GOTTA RETHINK A A FEW THINGS RELATED TO TRAFFIC AND INGRESS AND EGRESS TO MAKE IT WORK, I THINK A HUNDRED PERCENT EFFICIENTLY AND SMOOTHLY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY STACKING ISSUES ON HER FRUIT.
SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I'VE JUST THROWN A LOT AT YOU, BUT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS REGARDING WHAT I'VE JUST SHARED WITH YOU? UM, I APPRECIATE THE, THE FEEDBACK.
YES, IT IS, IT IS A LOT TO TAKE IN REAL QUICK AND, AND TO SOLICIT A RESPONSE BACK THIS FAST, I, YOU KNOW, MY, MY GUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, DOING THE DESAL LANE, UM, I KNOW THERE'S ALREADY UTILITIES THERE SUCH AS FIRE HYDRANTS AND PULL BOXES THAT WOULD NEED TO GET MOVED.
SO THERE WOULD BE A, A PRETTY LARGE EXPENSE TO DO SO, BUT, UM, IT, IT IS A POTENTIAL SOLUTION TO THE RIGHT AMOUNT YET.
I, I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT.
I THINK SPLITTING IT OFF INTO TWO SEPARATE, UH, I DO NOT AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE A BETTER SOLUTION.
NOW, UM, IF, IF YOU'RE COMING INTO PARK, THAT MEANS NOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE ANYONE WHO'S COMING IN JUST TO PARK AND GO INTO ANY OF THE RETAIL, INCLUDING THE NAIL SALON OR WHATEVER ELSE IS COMING THERE NOW WOULD HAVE TO GO, UH, PAST THE PICKUP PARKING, WHICH IS COMING IN AND OUT, AND THEN ALSO MERGE INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH PARKING.
I THINK IT'S, YOU'RE JUST TRADING ON ONE PROBLEM FOR THE OTHER.
I I DO THINK THAT, UH, IT'S BEST TO KEEP THAT RIDE IN RIDE OUT TOGETHER.
UM, AND THAT I I DO THINK THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT WITH THE DESAL LANE.
UM, THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL EXPENSES THERE, SO I'D HAVE TO RUN SOME NUMBERS ON MY SIDE JUST TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT IS AND, AND, AND TALK TO THE SELLER ON THAT.
BUT, UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT MAYBE THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I APPRECIATE YOUR HONEST FEEDBACK.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER NOTION ABOUT THE SEPARATE EXIT, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT, YOU'RE TRADING OFF ONE SORT OF CARAVAN, IF YOU WILL, OR CAR MOVEMENT OF CARS FOR ANOTHER.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING THOUGH IS YOU'RE GUARANTEEING THAT THAT DRIVE THROUGH LANE CONTINUES MORE EFFICIENTLY.
MY CONCERN ALL ALONG IS, IS THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND THE STACKING.
NOW IF YOU COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I CAN DO A DE THE CITY STANDARD DESAL LANE, MR. CARROLL, HOW LONG WOULD THAT TYPICALLY BE? I WOULD'VE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT HOW THAT MEMORIZ STORY.
DON'T, WHY DON'T YOU, UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A SOLUTION.
I MEAN, I, I I THINK WE'VE GOTTA BE SURE THAT, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE STACKING ON HERF, THAT'S ALL.
AND THAT WAS MY THOUGHT WAS TO MAKE THAT DRIVE THROUGH AS, AS EFFICIENT AND AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE.
JUST A NICE CIRCULAR MOTION IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT TOGETHER.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS YOUR DEVELOPMENT, NOT MINE.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST SHARING THOUGHTS HERE.
BUT I, I'D, I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER CERTAINLY WHAT I'VE SHARED AND WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS SHARED WITH YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, I ALSO REALIZE TIME IS MONEY, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, IF YOU SAY TO US, LOOK, WE'D LIKE YOU TO POSTPONE THIS.
LET'S LOOK AT THE DESAL, BUT I CAN'T WAIT ANOTHER MONTH BEFORE I MOVE ON THIS PROJECT.
WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN TWO WEEKS.
IF WE NEED TO TO CONSIDER THIS AGAIN, UM, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE WORKING WITH US, PLEASE UNDERSTAND WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS EVERYBODY AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY POSSIBLE STACKING PROBLEMS ON HERFF ROAD.
WHAT CAUSED THE SHIFT OF THE DRIVEWAY? BECAUSE WASN'T IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT QUESTION? SO THE RIGHT AND RIGHT WAS ALREADY APPROVED AND I HAD PROPOSED TO SHIFT IT TO THE RIGHT GOTCHA.
SPLIT THE TWO PROPERTIES TO BE SHARED BY EVERYBODY.
BUT IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED IN THIS LOCATION AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THE DEPARTMENT WAS THAT IT, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT THAT CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE, UH, CUL-DE-SAC.
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I JUST LEFT IT WHERE IT WAS GOTCHA.AND WHERE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR.
UM, AND, UH, YEAH, I THINK YOUR COLLEAGUE WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.
NO, I THINK IT WAS, UH, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I BELIEVE IT WAS THE 400 MINIMUM DISTANCE THAT WAS REQUIRED.
THAT'S WHY IT WAS, IT'S THERE.
UM, COMMISSIONER CATES, GO BACK TO, UH, WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
WE HAVE SEEN SO MANY ITERATIONS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT OVER THE YEARS, AND ALMOST ALL OF THEM WERE BASED OFF THE BIG CUL-DE-SACS AND THE, UH, CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS.
UM, YOU HAD BROUGHT UP A QUESTION, HOW MANY APPROVED EASEMENTS OR OR ROAD CUTS COULD THERE BE? AND, AND THIS KIND OF GETS TO BE ONE OF THOSE DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS THINGS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT NOW WE'VE GOT GALLANT AND THEN WE COULD HAVE THIS ONE, AND THEN WE HAVE THIS BIG CUL-DE-SAC, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER DRIVEWAY CUT THAT'S APPROVED BEYOND THAT, OR POSSIBLY TWO.
SO NOW YOU'VE GOT SIX OR SEVEN PLACES IN THAT FAIRLY SHORT SPACE THAT PEOPLE ARE PULLING OUT, PULLING IN, SLOWING DOWN, SPEEDING UP.
UM, A LOT OF THE CONCERN IS HOW DO WE PREVENT STACKING ON HERF? WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF OPERATING THROUGH THE CUL-DE-SACS AND THE CROSS EASEMENT ACCESS AND, AND THERE'S NO RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT THERE AND THERE'S NO STACKING ON EARTH EVER.
AND, UM, THE EASEMENTS ARE IN PLACE.
UM, IT'S NOT THAT FAR FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.
UH, YOUR PLAN, UH, OR YOUR PROPOSAL, I DON'T THINK COULD BE APPROVED BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE TWO DRIVEWAY CUTS AND THEY WOULDN'T BE 400 FEET APART.
SO I DON'T THINK IT COULD EVEN BE DONE IF IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
UH, SO I, I STILL, I STILL THINK THE, UH, UH, ACCESS TO THE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS AND, AND, AND DOING AWAY WITH THAT, UH, RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT IS A SOLUTION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WAS YOUR SUGGESTION WITH THAT THE, YOU COULD HAVE NO CURB CUT AT ALL? YES.
FOOT REQUIREMENT? YEAH, BECAUSE THAT REALLY, THAT WAS ALMOST A, UM, THAT'S THERE BECAUSE OF A TECHNICALITY THAT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A ROAD CUT THERE.
I THINK FROM WHAT MR. CARROLL SAID THAT THERE WAS A, SOME LANGUAGE PUT IN FOR ABOUT A THREE MONTH PERIOD THAT WAS NOT INTENDED TO DO WHAT IT DID.
AND THAT LANGUAGE IN THAT THREE MONTH PERIOD ALLOWED THIS TO BE APPROVED AND GO IN, UH, IT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED NOW.
UH, IT WOULD NOT, UH, OUR UDC WOULDN'T ALLOW IT NOW.
IT, IT WAS JUST KIND OF A, UM, A SLIPUP AND THEY, AND THEY GOT IT THROUGH IN THE SLIPUP.
AND SO, UH, EVERYTHING WE HAVE LOOKED AT UNTIL RECENTLY HAS BEEN BASED ON THE CUL-DE-SACS AND THE, UH, AND THE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS.
MR. CURT, WOULD YOU COME BACK UP AND SHARE THE HISTORY? I DON'T, MR. CASE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE AND IT WASN'T, CERTAINLY MR. HOBSON AND HIS TEAM DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANY SLIP UP.
THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THAT THEY DID OR DIDN'T DO.
WOULD YOU SHARE WITH US AGAIN, THE HISTORY OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR MENGER? SURE.
HOW THIS ALL CAME TO BE? HOW DID THIS, THIS RIGHT IN WRITE OUT COME TO BE SURE.
SO THE, THE MASTER PLAN FOR COMMONS DOMINGO WAS APPROVED IN 2018 ISH.
UM, THE, IN 2020 IS WHEN THE UDC PROCESS KIND OF STARTED AND IT WAS 2022 AFTER COVID 2022 IS WHEN THE UDC WAS ADOPTED.
UM, FEBRUARY 22ND OF 22, UH, 2 2, 2 2.
UM, IN THAT UDC DOCUMENT, IT CREATED THIS LANGUAGE OF VERY SPECIFIC SECTION OF FOUR LANE ROADS THAT HAVE A RAISED MEDIAN REFERENCING THE T SPEC.
UM, AND IT, IT WAS IN THE UDC, IT HAD BEEN IN THE UDC, SO IT WAS, IT WAS TWO OR THREE YEARS, SORRY, IT WAS TWO OR THREE YEARS THAT IT WAS IN THERE.
AND, UH, THEN RECENTLY BACK LAST AUGUST, WE DID MAKE THE CHANGE, REMOVING THE TDOT LANGUAGE AND CHANGING IT TO A 400 FOOT SPACING.
UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED HERE AT P AND Z.
AND THEN WE TOOK IT TO COUNCIL, UH, FOR APPROVAL IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, CHANGING THAT SPACING.
BUT THIS RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT, WHEN DID THIS APPEAR ON THE PLAN? SO THE, AS PART OF THE MASTER DEVELOPER WAS, HE'S BEEN WORKING HIS PLATS
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THROUGH THE PROJECT.AND SO AS PART OF HIS PLAT SUBMITTAL, UM, FOR 11 A, I BELIEVE, YEAH, SO UNIT 11 A WAS THE PLATTED LOT.
UM, SO WITH THAT PLAT SUBMITTAL WHERE THE STANDARD, WHAT WE CALL THE LOC DOCUMENTS WHERE YOU SHOW WHERE THE UTILITY SERVICES AND EVERYTHING WITH THAT.
SO THROUGH THAT LOC PROCESS, THE MASTER DEVELOPER PUT IN THIS RIGHT OUT, RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
SO, AND THAT WAS DONE TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, UM, BEFORE, BEFORE WE CHANGED THE UC CODE LAST YEAR.
SO IT WAS BEFORE THAT TIME PERIOD.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATES, SORRY.
BUR, I, I WANNA ADDRESS, UH, ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS ON THE, UH, THE, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLETELY ALIGNED, YOU KNOW, AS THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH THE TENANT, I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT MAKE IT INCONVENIENT FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE THE COFFEE SHOP IF IT CREATES ISSUES, TRAFFIC ISSUES.
IT'S NOT IN OUR BEST INTEREST EITHER.
UM, I, I DO, UM, WANNA BRING UP THE, THE COMMENT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL CONCERN OF HAVING CARS ACTUALLY STACK OUT ON HERF ROAD.
I THINK WITH THE, THE SCENARIO WE PROPOSED WITH A SITE PLAN THERE WOULD, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE OVER 30 CARS IN THE CAR STACK FOR THAT TO START HAPPENING, FOR CARS TO STACK OUT ON HEAR F AND THAT'S NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT OF ANYONE WHO SEES THE LONG LINE AND JUST CHOOSES TO PARK INSTEAD.
AND I THINK IF, IF, IF THAT WAS THE ANTICIPATED, UM, I DON'T KNOW ANY STARBUCKS THAT HAVE THAT MANY IN, IN A CAR STAGNANT, IF THAT WAS THE ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC FLOW FOR THE STARBUCKS, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD'VE SEEN A, A MUCH DIFFERENT LOI FROM THEM WITH THE RENTAL TERMS. UH, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE THE BUSIEST STORES THAT THEY HAVE IN THE COUNTRIES HAVE, UH, DOUBLE LANES FOR THE COFFEE PICKUPS.
I THINK WE WOULD'VE SEEN SOMETHING MORE COM COMMENSURATE WITH THE INTENDED, UH, UH, CAPACITY USED FOR, FOR WHAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING.
I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ANTICIPATING THIS TO BE ON, YOU KNOW, THAT LEVEL OF, OF BUSINESS.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO, TO, UH, THROW THAT OUT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, WE, EVEN WITH THE BUSIEST STORES, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT MANY CARS, UH, CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER.
UM, MR. CARROLL, WOULD YOU COME BACK FOR A SECOND BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE EXPERTISE ON THIS.
UM, I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF DESAL LANE OF SOME SORT BECAUSE IT TAKES, AGAIN, IT, IT MITIGATES EVEN FURTHER THE RISK OF STACKING, YOU MAY BE QUITE CORRECT, MR. HOBSON, MAYBE THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE ALL AROUND HERE TO ENSURE NO STACKING OCCURS.
AGAIN, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THE, THAT ACCESS EASEMENT ROAD IN THE BACK ISN'T BUILT FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND EVEN WHEN IT'S BUILT, I DON'T KNOW IF FOLKS WILL USE THAT OR THEY'LL STILL USE THE HERF RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
BUT, UM, IS THERE A MECHANISM, SINCE HE'S GOT BOTH LOTS UNDER CONTRACT, THAT IF, IF WE DO APPROVE THE SUPA CONDITION IS THAT IF WE EXPERIENCE STACKING ON HERF ROAD, IT TRIGGERS CONSTRUCTION OF THE DESAL LANE? I MEAN, THE SUP ALLOWS YOU TO MAKE CONDITIONS.
I DON'T SEE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD DO.
I'M NOT DEFER TO LEGAL MR. MCCAMEY, IS THERE ANY, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING STACKING OFF HER.
UM, AND SO THE APPLICANT SEEMS CONVINCED THAT THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM FOR STACKING TO AVOID THAT PROBLEM.
I CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT RIGHT, I'D LIKE US TO HAVE SOME FALLBACK POSITION, SOME MECHANISM BY WHICH, IF STACKING IS OCCURRING, THEN IT TRIGGERS THE DESAL LANE TO HELP FURTHER MITIGATE THAT.
AND THIS IS ALL, AGAIN, RELATED TO THE DRIVE, DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, SUP BEING SOUGHT.
WELL, I, I THINK IT IS TRUE THAT UNDER THE ORDINANCE YOU CAN PLACE REASONABLE CONDITIONS ON YOUR SUP, UM, FOR IT TO BE GRANTED.
THE PROBLEM THERE IS ENFORCEMENT, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF A CONDITION, UM, I SUPPOSE THE ONLY WAY TO ENFORCE IT WOULD BE TO SUSPEND OR REVOKE THE SUP UNTIL THE DECELERATION LANE WAS CONSTRUCTED.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S MORE OR LESS A RETROACTIVE ACTION, UH, AFTER APPROVAL.
SO I THINK WE'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME OTHER MECHANISM FOR ENFORCEMENT, UM, THAT I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD DO THAT.
IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, UH, YOU'D HAVE TO IDENTIFY IN YOUR CONDITION, UH, HOW THAT IS DETERMINED.
WHO DETERMINES THE STACKING PROBLEM, WHETHER IT'S TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT, AND FOR HOW LONG BEFORE IT TRIGGERS THE REQUIREMENT FOR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION.
I, I'M NOT, NOT SURE WE HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BOOKS THAT HAS THAT KIND OF AN ENFORCEMENT
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MECHANISM RIGHT NOW.COMMISSIONER FRIAR, I BET IF WE GET TO THAT POINT, HE'S GONNA BE COMING BACK WITH A THIRD STARBUCKS LOCATION
I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
OTHER THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? JUST WANTED TO, UH, TOUCH BASE ON THE COMMENTS YOU MADE.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING A CONNECTION TO THIS CUL-DE-SAC TO THE WEST.
SO THAT'S PART, THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT, PART OF YOUR PROJECT? YES.
IT'S PART OF, IT'S PART OF HIS PROJECT.
TO BUILD THAT CONNECTION TO THE WEST.
SO WE'LL HAVE, SEE WHAT WE'LL CONNECT THERE.
TWO, WE'LL HAVE ONE CONNECTION, TWO CONNECTIONS, UM, FROM THE GETGO.
AND YOU COULD ADD THAT AS A CONDITION, IF THIS COMMISSION DESIRED THAT, THAT AT THE TIME OF OPENING, THEY HAD, UH, VEHICULAR ACCESS TO ACROSS THE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT TO GALLANT FOX DRIVE, UH, EXCUSE ME.
SO YOU ALL HAVE, YOU'VE COSTED THAT ITEM OUT THEN IF YOU'VE, AS PART OF YOUR PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF THAT ITEM, HOW, HOW WOULD THAT COST COMPARE TO THE DECELERATION LANE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT? SO EVERYTHING TO THE, TO THE WEST OF THE LOT IS, IS ALREADY SOLD AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND AS PART OF THOSE PROJECTS, THEY HAVE TO BUILD THAT ROAD AND THAT EASEMENT.
AND SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH ME COMING IN, I'M JUST GONNA CONNECT TO THE ROADS THAT ARE GOING TO BE CURRENTLY, THAT ARE CURRENTLY HAVE BEEN BUILT OR ON CONSTRUCTION ON THOSE LOCKS.
WELL, I DON'T THINK THE, THE ER PLACE HAS BEEN, DO THEY HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT ALREADY? THEY, THEY BROKE GROUND.
UH, UH, GROUNDBREAKING WAS, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO, MR. CRANE.
I HAD A GROUNDBREAKING, A CEREMONIAL GROUNDBREAKING, UM, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
BUT NO, THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T.
UH, I KNOW THEIR PLANS ARE ABOUT 60, 70% DONE, THEN WE'LL SEE 'EM.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, MS. HOBS, YOU THINK TIMING WISE, THEY WILL HAVE HAD THEIR SEGMENT BUILT, IT'S NOT PART OF YOUR PROJECT? A HUNDRED PERCENT, YES.
AND THEN, UM, ON THE, THE LOT TO THE EAST HERE, THERE'S A, AN ESCROW HOLE BACK IN, IN THE PURCHASE FOR THIS REQUIREMENT FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, THE SELLER TO, UH, TO BUILD OUT THE CUL-DE-SAC, UM, PRIOR TO GETTING RELEASED ALL THE FUNDS.
SO, SO THAT PORTION HAS TO GET DONE AS PART OF THAT TRANSACTION, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL COME SECOND.
IMMEDIATELY WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE CONNECTIVITY TO CALLANT FOX.
SO IF, IF THE COMMISSION FEELS IT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, TO, TO GO BACK TO THE QUESTION ASKED OF, UH, MR. MCKINNEY IS I WOULD JUST INCLUDE A STIPULATION THAT THE DESAL LANE BE PROVIDED AS PART OF THE, UH, YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD ADDRESS IT AND, AND AS HE SAID, IT'S, IT'D BE VERY HARD TO RETROACTIVE GO IN THERE AND SAY, OH, NOW YOU GOTTA BUILD THIS.
JUST A A A CLARIFICATION QUESTION.
UH, IS THERE ROOM BETWEEN THE PROPOSED, UH, CUL-DE-SAC HERE AND THE RIGHT TURN FOR AN EFFECTIVE DESAL LANE? UH, WE DON'T HAVE A REFERENCE ON DISTANCE OR ANYTHING THERE, MR. CARROLL, COME ON BACK.
SO I HAVE BEEN LOOKING ON OUR WEBSITE AND THE PER OUR DESIGN MANUAL, THE CURRENT, UH, DECELERATION LANE CODE IS 200 FEET TOTAL, WHICH IS 100 FOOT STORAGE AND 100 FOOT TAPER THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE FUTURE CUL-DE-SAC TO THIS PLAN.
AND THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT TURN LANE IS 250 FEET.
SO IT'D BE A 50 FOOT OF NORMAL CURB, AND THEN THE TAPER WOULD START TO THE STORAGE.
SO IT WOULD, IN THEORY, FIT A VERY DETAILED ANSWER.
SO I, I THINK I HEARD THAT THE EASEMENT TO THE WEST WAS PART OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN I HEARD THAT THE EASEMENT THAT CONNECTING TO THE EASEMENT TO THE WEST WAS PART OF THE PROJECT.
SO WHICH IS, WHICH IS FACT AND WHICH IS FICTION.
UH, SO JUSTIN WAS DESCRIBING SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT HE HAS IN PLACE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, IF YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN FOR HIM.
I'M NOT PRIVY TO THOSE DETAILS.
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MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE, THE REAR ACCESS EASEMENT MM-HMMIS, UH, GOES ON ALL THESE LOTS.
AND SO WHEN EACH LOT GETS BUILT, THEY HAVE TO BUILD THAT ACCESS ROAD AS PART OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
UM, SO ON THE STARBUCKS SITE, I AM ONLY REQUIRED TO BUILD THE ACCESS EASEMENT ROAD PORTION ON MY SITE.
BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT EVERYTHING TO THE WEST OF US TO GALLONS BOX HAS ALREADY BEEN BUILT OR HAS JUST STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE KNOW THAT BY THE TIME WE START BEING BUILT, THOSE WILL BE, UH, COMPLETE.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE NEXT TRANSACTION THAT WILL HAPPEN WILL BE THE LOT TO THE EAST.
AND, UM, WHEN THAT PROJECT'S DEVELOPED, THEY HAVE TO BUILD THAT EASEMENT AND THE CUL-DE-SAC AS A REQUIREMENT FOR THEIR LOT.
IS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY, 'CAUSE I I, I THINK I ALSO HEARD THAT THE PLANS FOR THE ER WE'RE ABOUT 70% DONE.
AND LET'S JUST SAY IT, WE DON'T GET TO THAT POINT.
IS, IS THERE A DEVELOPMENT DEAL THAT CAN GO ON WHERE YOU CAN BUILD THAT AND THEN CLAW THAT BACK WHEN SOMEBODY DEVELOPS, EVENTUALLY DEVELOPS THAT CAN, CAN YOU GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT'S NOT STRUCTURED THAT WAY, BUT IT'S, IT'S MAYBE A CONVERSATION I CAN HAVE WITH THE SELLER.
AND I THINK IT MAY BE TOO LATE TO DO IT ON THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY CLOSED AND THEY HAD THEIR GROUNDBREAKING, THEY ALREADY STARTED CONSTRUCTION, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW I COULD GET A CLAW BACK ON THEIR PROJECT THAT, THAT MAYBE ON THE LOT TO THE EAST.
UM, I KNOW THAT ALL THE FUNDS ARE HELD BACK IN AN ESCROW ACCOUNT FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT HAS TO BE COMPLETED BY THE SELLER, UH, IN ITS ENTIRETY TO GET RELEASED, UH, THE FINAL FUNDS.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT ROAD PORTION WILL BE PART OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE.
SO MAYBE THERE'S A, A POTENTIAL FOR THAT ROAD TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CUL-DE-SAC HOLDBACK.
WELL, AND I, I ASK THAT BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE HAVE BEEN OCCASIONS WHERE THINGS CHANGE DRAMATICALLY WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY COME TO PLANNING ITS ZONING AND, AND THEN WITH ALL GOOD INTENTIONS AND WE PASS SOMETHING AND THEN THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT GETS ABANDONED AND WE END UP WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
WELL, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I ASKED EARLY ON IF, IF, UH, MR. HOBSON HAD BOTH LOTS 11 A AND 11 B UNDER CONTRACT, BECAUSE IF HE DIDN'T HAVE 11 B, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA TALK TO THAT LOT OWNER ABOUT THE DECAL LANE BECAUSE IT'S ON THAT PROPERTY.
BUT IF HE'S GOT BOTH, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WORKABLE.
I, I, GRANTED IT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S WORKABLE, IT'S MANAGEABLE.
UM, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE ER, THEY MAY HAVE GROUNDBREAKING, BUT WHETHER IT GETS BUILT, WHO KNOWS.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE LEFT WITH A GAP, UM, ACROSS SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY TO GET TO THE CUL-DE-SAC TO THE WEST.
AND WE'RE WE'RE LEFT WITH, WITH NO CUL-DE-SAC ON THE EAST APPARENTLY UNTIL THIS OTHER DEVELOPMENT TAKES PLACE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE AGAINST STACKING ON HERTH.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO RISK CARS GETTING STACKING ON HERTH.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY VIEW IS, IS THERE, MR. HOBSON, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF HOW TO ARTICULATE THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF EVERYONE HAS TO BUILD THEIR PORTION OF THEIR EASEMENT ROADS AND IT WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE THEM ALL CONNECTED, WELL SOMEBODY HAS TO GO FIRST.
AND SO IN THE SAME WAY WE'D SAY THE ER, WELL THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR PORTION AND IT, AND IT BASICALLY STOPS DEAD AND IT DOES NOT CONNECT THROUGH THESE TWO LOTS TO THE CUL-DE-SAC TO THE EAST.
BUT IN THE SAME WAY WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL IN STARBUCKS KNOWING THAT EVENTUALLY THE, THE LOT IS GONNA FOLLOW SHORTLY AFTER ON THE RIGHT, THE SAME SORT OF PRECEDENCE WAS SET WITH THE ER LOT, KNOWING THAT THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR PORTION, THE EASEMENT.
AND IT'S GONNA STOP WHERE THE STARBUCKS LOT IS KNOWING THAT WE'RE GONNA COME IN AND BUILD OUR PORTION.
AND THEN, SO THERE IS SOME COUNTERPARTY RISK HERE, BUT I THINK WITH THE OVERALL VISION AND THE, THE, THE TRUST AND FAITH THAT, THAT YOUR, YOUR BODY IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, YOU'RE GONNA REQUIRE EVERYONE ELSE WHO COMES IN TO BUILD THAT PORTION OF THAT ROAD KNOWING THAT THE OVERALL VISION AND SCOPE OF WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE IS GOING TO GET DONE BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA MANDATE IT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE OVERALL SITE, UH, PERMITS FOR APPROVAL, I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE A CONDITION OF A SITE PERMIT APPROVAL THAT EVERYONE'S GONNA HAVE TO BUILD THOSE PORTIONS OF THOSE ROADS.
AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M JUST SAYING IS LIKE, UH, AND IN THE SAME WAY THAT THE ER GOT THEIR PERMITS AND GOT FULL APPROVAL TO BUILD THEIR SITE WITHOUT HAVING FULL CONNECTIVITY TO THE CUL-DE-SAC TO THE EAST, BECAUSE THESE ROADS DON'T EXIST YET.
I WOULD ASK THAT THE SAME GRACE IS OFFERED TO US KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY THE LOT TO THE EAST IS GONNA FOLLOW SHORTLY AFTER AND IT'S GONNA BE BUILT IN THE SAME WAY THE ER IS TRUSTING
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US TO DO SO AS WELL.NO, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT FULLY.
UM, THE, THE WHOLE ISSUE THOUGH IS WHAT HAPPENS IF THE ER DOESN'T BUILD THEIR SECTION AND THE ER IS NOT A STARBUCKS, THERE AREN'T GONNA BE FOLKS LINED UP TO GO TO THE ER IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH
THAT'S THE ISSUE FOR US TODAY IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH? I MEAN, UM, IF THE ER GETS BUILT LIKE WE, WE EXPECT IT WOULD, THEN MAYBE THAT LINK GETS MADE.
IF IT DOESN'T AND WE GET STACKING ON HEARTH, THEN WE'VE DONE THE COMMUNITY A DISSERVICE.
THIS, THIS MAY BE, UH, I HAVE A SUGGESTION.
IF YOU COULD GIVE US, UH, 10 MINUTES TO TALK WITH THE APPLICANT AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH TWO STIPULATIONS THAT MAY HELP YOU GUYS OUT TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, UM, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
IS THAT MS. OSMAN? ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH.
CAN I MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT? SURE.
I JUST WANNA TELL YOU GUYS, THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US.
SO WHEN SOMEBODY SAID, 'CAUSE I WROTE IT DOWN WITH THE STAR.
THIS IS A UNIQUE AREA OF BERNIE.
WE ONLY GET ONE CHANCE TO DO THIS AND DO IT WELL.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE HELPING US DO IT WELL, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WE TALK THROUGH THIS AND, AND MASSAGE THIS.
IT'S, AND SOME OF IT'S NOT Y'ALL'S PROBLEMS, BUT THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE TIME TO, TO WORK THROUGH IT.
'CAUSE WE DO WANNA DO IT WELL AND DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE A 15 MINUTE RECESS TILL WE'RE RESET TILL EIGHT O'CLOCK, UM, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND HOPEFULLY MR. CRANE AND MR. HOBSON WILL HOLD ING KUMBAYA AND TELL US THEY STRUCK A WONDERFUL DEAL FOR ALL OF BERNIE.
THIS IS YOUR BOARD HAVE FINISHED.
UM, SO WE CAN, UM, RESUME THE MEETING.
MR. CRANE, UH, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH US? OKAY, SO CAN YOU GUYS SEE THE ARROW YES.
SO THE FIRST STIPULATION WE'D RECOMMEND IS THAT EITHER THE CONNECTION TO THIS CUL-DE-SAC AND THE CUL-DE-SAC BEING CONSTRUCTED OR THIS CONNECTION OVER HERE TO GALLANT FOX BEING DONE PRIOR TO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
UH, NUMBER TWO IS, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THERE'S SOME UTILITY CONFLICTS, FIRE HYDRANT POWER, ALL STUFF LIKE HERE.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY, UH, CONSULTANT REVIEW THE NEED FOR THIS DESAL LANE.
AND IF THE, THAT STUDY COMES BACK AND SAYS IT'S NEEDED, IT'LL BE SHOWN ON THE, UH, SITE PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
AND WITH THAT, UH, PROVIDING SOME, UH, DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, UH, POTENTIALLY FOR PEOPLE TO, UH, ACCESS THE SITE FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH OVER HERE RATHER THAN STACKING ALL THE WAY LIKE THIS.
UM, THIRD, THE THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT.
WHO CHOOSES THAT THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT? IT'LL BE THROUGH JEFF AND HIS TEAM.
MR. CAROL AND MR. ROGERS AND MR. MR. WILKINSON.
WE'LL REVIEW BUT REVIEW, IT'LL REVIEW IT EITHER WAY.
I WANT TO BE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE MECHANICS FOR THIS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO WAYS TO DO IT.
ONE, THEY CAN PREPARE THE STUDY AND UH, WE WILL REVIEW IT OR, UH, WE CAN USE ONE OF OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND PAY FOR THE STUDY AND HAVE IT PRODUCED.
SO WE WOULD SELECT THE CONSULTANT.
MR. HOBSON, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? YES.
UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THREE, THE SIGNAGE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH SIGNAGE TO HELP PEOPLE FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THERE.
UM, AND THEN ONE OF THOSE TWO CUL-DE-SAC CONNECTIONS HAS TO BE MADE BEFORE THE CFO GETS ISSUED.
THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES AND WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE'VE SEEN IT SO MANY TIMES.
IF YOU TAKE THEM LITTLE PIECE BY LITTLE PIECE BY LITTLE PIECE, NONE OF THE LITTLE PIECES REQUIRED.
WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO REQUIRE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY? CONSIDER BOTH LOTS SINCE HE OWNS BOTH LOTS AND IT AND IT IMPACTS BOTH LOTS? I BELIEVE SO.
IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA CHANGE MUCH COMMISSIONER CATES BECAUSE THAT FUTURE RETAIL PROBABLY WOULDN'T OPEN UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY RUSH HOUR IN THE MORNING, COFFEE STOPS.
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LOOK AT IT ALL AS ONE BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY HE'S LOOKING AT IT, UH, ULTIMATELY.SO THAT WOULD BE A CAVEAT TO THE ONE STIPULATION.
MR. BIRD, WILL THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE EASEMENTS WILL BE OPEN OR THAT THE, OR THE WAY IT IS TODAY, IT'LL BE ULTIMATE CONDITION SO THAT THEY WOULD BE OPEN.
BECAUSE THAT IN ITSELF WOULD CHANGE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
WOULD IT BE THAT BOTH WOULD BE OPEN OR THAT ONE WOULD BE OPEN? BOTH.
YOU WANT ULTIMATE CONDITION WHEN YOU'RE DETERMINING IF YOU NEED THIS OR NOT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT THE STUDY WOULD INCLUDE BOTH OF THEM BEING OPEN, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
EVEN THOUGH ONE MAY NOT OPEN FOR 10 YEARS? CORRECT.
I'M NOT CERTAIN I SUPPORT THAT ASPECT OF IT.
WELL, THAT WOULDN'T GIVE US AN ACCURATE NO.
SO I WOULD, OF COURSE WE MAKE THE CONDITIONS SO WE CAN STIPULATE THAT THE STUDY HAS ONE, ONE CONNECTION AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE THE CONNECTION TO THE WEST, TO THE WEST TO THE WEST.
THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION THAT SHOULD BE MADE WHEN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY IS DONE.
WOULD SOMEONE COMMISSIONER YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE TIED TO THE CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ANYWAY.
DOES SOMEONE WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT PUTTING ALL THIS INTO A MOTION? UM, SO IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE WELL HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I WILL, HERE'S WHAT I'VE HEARD.
I'VE HEARD THAT WE COULD, WE COULD MOVE TO APPROVED TO RECOMMEND COUNSEL APPROVE THE SUP WITH THREE CONDITIONS.
ONE BEING THAT BEFORE THEY GET THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THAT CONNECTION TO THE WEST TO WHAT I'LL CALL THE HERST TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
CUL-DE-SAC NEEDS TO BE MADE FIRST BEFORE THEY GET THE CFO WEST OR EAST BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY CONTROLS WEST OR EAST.
WEST OR EAST? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE SECOND WOULD BE THAT THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE BY A CONSULTANT CHOSEN BY THE CITY, BUT PAID FOR BY THE APPLICANT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A DESAL LANE IS NEEDED ON HERF ROAD IN THAT RIGHT, IN RIGHT OUT.
AND THAT STUDY WOULD ASSUME THAT THE CONNECTION TO THE WEST WAS OPEN, BUT NOT THE CONNECTION TO THE EAST BECAUSE LIKE IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, THE CONNECTION TO THE WEST IS COMING FIRST.
CONDITION THREE WAS THERE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE DIRECTING FOLKS HOW TO GET TO STARBUCKS USING EITHER ONE OR BOTH OF THESE CUL-DE-SACS.
AND I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
SO MOVED BY COMMISSIONER BYRD.
IS THERE A SECOND I'LL, IF I COULD ALSO ADD, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A STIPULATION THAT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND PERMEABLE PAVING SYSTEM MEET THE UDC REQUIREMENTS OF TIME OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S THE FOURTH CONDITION ON THAT ONE.
SO COMMISSIONER BYRD, WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT FOURTH CONDITION AS PART OF YOUR MOTION? YES.
AND WILL YOU SECOND COMMISSIONER BYRD'S ACCEPTANCE OF THAT AS PART OF HIS MOTION? YES.
SO MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE FOUR CONDITIONS MADE BY COMMISSIONER BYRD, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER FRIAR.
POINT OF, UH, CLARIFICATION PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER KATES, UH, IN THE MOTION IT DID NOT SPECIFY THAT THE, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD BE CONDITIONED ON BOTH LOTS AT BUILD OUT.
WE MADE AN ASSUMPTION ABOUT WHICH CUL-DE-SAC WOULD BE OPEN.
YES, BUT NOT WHICH YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO CAN, CAN, CAN I ASK FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE, UH, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, A FRIENDLY, AND IT WOULD BE THAT, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, YOUR MOTION INCLUDES THAT BOTH LOTS WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IN THE TRAFFIC SETTING? YES.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION OF TO AMEND, SECONDED, MADE BY COMMISSIONER KATE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BIRD.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT AMENDMENT? OKAY, THEN WE'RE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
SO WE'RE VOTING ON COMMISSIONER KATE'S AMENDMENT TO COMMISSIONER BIRD'S MOTION.
UM, M**K, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO GO BACK AND FORTH, THAT JUST THEY CAN MAKE A FIRST AND A SECOND AS AMENDED? WELL, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT PROCEDURE.
THIS IS THE RIGHT, THIS IS THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER WOULD REQUIRE THE AMENDMENT VOTE FIRST AND THEN THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
THEN FOR THE RECORD, LET ME GO BACK.
'CAUSE I HAD, UM, COMMISSIONER BYRD AND SUSAN FRIAR FOR THE ORIGINAL.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BYRD AND COMMISSIONER KATES.
COMMISSIONER KATES MADE THE MOTION TO AMEND, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BY, OKAY.
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AMENDMENT WAS TO WHEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE, TO PRESUME THAT BOTH SITES 11 A AND 11 B WERE BUILT OUT.ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? IT'S THE AMENDMENT THIS TIME.
OKAY, THEN LET'S VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
OKAY, NOW WE'RE VOTING ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED.
SO, UM, GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE THE LITTLE CONCLAVE THERE, UH, AT THE END WITH MR. CRANE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE CITY AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND LOOK FORWARD TO THIS PROJECT BEING BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY.
[6.A. Annual Report Presentation]
YOU.ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM IS ITEM SIX A, UM, WHICH IS AN ANNUAL REPORT PRESENTATION.
MS. LINDA, IS THIS YOUR ITEM? OH, NO, I'M JUST PICKING UP MY STUFF.
WHAT HAPPENED, MR. CRANE? I HAVE SOME, UH, TENDON DAMAGE FROM THE OUTSIDE OF MY FOOT.
OOH, DUNNO HOW OR WHAT, OR, OKAY.
ANY OF THAT KIND OF FUN STUFF YET, BUT NO SKIING FOR YOU ANYTIME SOON.
SO WHAT I WANT TO DO TONIGHT IS, UH, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BACK IN APRIL TO, UH, PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL.
UH, IF, YOU KNOW, UH, UM, MR. THATCHER'S IS, IS, UH, HAS ESTABLISHED A, UH, GEEZ, AN INITIATIVE, SORRY, IT'S LATE INITIATIVE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, OUR CITIZEN SURVEY AND AS IT RELATES TO, UH, US RESPONDING TO WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THAT CITIZEN SURVEY.
AND I FELT THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD, UH, APPRECIATE, UH, LOOKEE AND, AND SEE HOW WE RESPOND TO THAT.
SO SOME OF THESE I'LL GO THROUGH FAIRLY QUICKLY, UH, BUT SOME, UH, WE'LL SPEND A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON.
BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR TO TRY IMPROVE THINGS, UH, FOR OUR CITIZENS.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, I WON'T GO WITH THIS INTO DETAIL.
UH, CHRISTY DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING IT AND GOING THROUGH THAT.
UH, BUT THIS IS BASED ON OUR, UH, BIANNUAL SURVEY.
SO YOU CAN SEE TWO COMMENTS HERE.
WHEN, UH, IF THEY HAD ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT HIGH DENSITY HOUSING AND POPULATION GROWTH OVERALL, UH, PLANNING AND EFFICIENCY AND COMMUNITY RESOURCES CONCERNS DUE TO GROWTH PRIMARILY THAT WAS WATER.
UM, SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD, UH, IN THE COMMENTS, THE RATE AND COMMENTS THAT, UH, WERE, UH, PROVIDED AS PART OF THE SURVEY HAS TO DO WITH HIGH DENSITY HOUSING.
YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THAT QUITE A BIT.
UM, UH, DIFFICULTIES WITH GOING THROUGH OUR PROCESS AND UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS.
UH, ALONG WITH, UH, OUR PERMIT PROCESS BEING INEFFICIENT, THERE'S A NUMBER, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE IS A PROCESS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND OVERALL, AND ONE IS ACTUALLY PROCESSING WHEN THEY GET A, UH, BUILDING PERMIT.
SO, I THINK SOME OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE HERE IS, IS PERCEPTION.
WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE WAY LONG, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, WAY LONG TIME AGO, I ACTUALLY REMEMBER QUITE A BIT OF OPEN SPACE FROM, UH, SAN ANTONIO TO, UH, THROUGH FAIR OAKS TO BERNIE.
UH, MOST OF THAT'S GONE NOW, RIGHT? SO MOST OF THAT'S APARTMENT COMPLEX OR STORAGE UNITS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, UH, WORKING AGAINST US IS THE, UH, PERCEPTION OF WHAT BERNIE IS AND WHAT ACTUALLY THE CITY LIMITS ARE.
UH, THERE IN BLUE, UH, YOU CAN SEE IN WHITE IS THE, UH, BERNIE INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I WAS LOOKING, UH, WHEN WE WERE FIRST LOOKING FOR HOUSES WE'RE IN, UH, FAIR OAKS, AND, AND I ASKED THE REALTOR AND I SAID, SO WHAT CITY IS THIS IN? SHE GOES, BERNIE.
SO THERE IS THIS PERCEPTION OUT THERE, EVEN IN OUR, UM, REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY.
ALRIGHT, SO WHAT DO WE DO AND WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT? UH, WE CALL THIS OUR TOOLBOX.
AS YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN.
UH, WE HAVE OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2020, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, UH, FOR A REASON.
WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IN A MINUTE HERE, UH, ZONING REGULATION.
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AND PART OF THAT UDC IS OUR ZONING REGULATIONS USES, AND THEN OUR SUBDIVISION SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.WE ALSO HAVE, UH, ANNEXATION HOW WE ANNEX, WHAT DO WE DO, UH, AND WITH THOSE COMES WHAT WE CALL MUNICIPAL SERVICE PLANS, WHICH OUTLINE HOW INFRASTRUCTURE IS PROVIDED TO NEWLY ANNEXED AREAS.
WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, UTILITY AGREEMENTS, AND ALSO, UH, ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUAL TO HELP GUIDE, UH, AND MANAGE GROWTH.
UH, ONE IMPORTANT NOTE IS, UH, SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE UDC WITH 2020, MOST OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY THAT ARE BEING BUILT WERE ACTUALLY APPROVED PRIOR TO THE UDC ADOPTION.
SO A LOT OF THINGS IN THE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, TO, UH, HELP MANAGE GROWTH ARE ACTUALLY, UH, COMING ON FUTURE PROJECTS RATHER THAN THE ONES THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY.
OUR FUTURE LAND USE, UH, INCLUDES CITY LIMITS AND AREAS WITHIN ETJ BACK IN 2018 WHEN THIS WAS DONE, UH, 80 PER JUST ALMOST 81% OF THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS RESIDENTIAL.
UH, AND, UH, 19% IS OTHER OR COMMERCIAL, UH, BUSINESS PARK PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE FOCUSED ON THAT WITH AREAS SET ASIDE IN, IN STRATEGIC LOCATIONS FOR, UH, NONRESIDENTIAL END USES.
THERE'S NINE ACTIVE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS.
UH, MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE, UH, BURN TOWN CENTER, OR OTHERWISE KNOWN AS A BISO.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, BUCKY'S, WHO WERE REVIEWING PLANS, UH, HILL COUNTRY DAILY BREAD MINISTRIES, UH, WHO ARE FINISHING UP A, UM, A PROJECT, UH, ADVANCED KITCHEN AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY DO SUCH A GREAT JOB THERE AND THEIR, AND THEIR BUILDING'S PRETTY NEAT.
IF YOU HAVEN'T VOLUNTEERED, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO.
UH, HYUNDAI, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH COMMONS AT MANGER.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, UH, ONE OF THE LOTS IN THERE.
MORNINGSIDE MINISTRIES, UH, TEXAS REGIONAL BANK IS ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UH, YOU HAVE HONDA AND, UH, BLO VISTA STORAGE, AND NOW CHASE BANK THAT WE CAN ADD TO THIS LIST.
OUR ACTIVE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, PROJECTS ARE BIRCH SPENCER RANCH, UH, RANCHES AT CREEKSIDE.
THEY'VE OPENED UP THEIR FINAL PHASES IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT IN, UH, REGION PARK AND, UH, SHORELINE, WHICH IS WRAPPING UP ALSO IN THE ETJ.
WE HAVE CORLEY FARMS, WHICH WE PROVIDE, UH, GAS TO, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, NOT IN THE CITY.
WE ALSO HAVE ESPERANZA AS FAR AS ACTIVE MULTIFAMILY.
UH, THERE'S A TOTAL OF 29 MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY ABOUT, UH, JUST ALMOST 3,200 UNITS.
UH, CONSTRUCTED IS 2000, UH, 352 UNITS, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER, UH, 830 UNITS, UH, THAT ARE ENTITLED OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S PRIMARY COLLECTION AND BLUFF VIEW.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, ONE OTHER, UH, PROJECT, UH, WE CALL IT OAKS AT SLO.
THEY CHANGE THE NAME, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? YEAH.
THEY CHANGE THE NAME ON ME EVERY OTHER DAY, BUT THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 34, UH, PERCENT OF OUR HOUSING STOCK.
AS I MENTIONED, UH, UDCD CREATED SOME HIGHER STANDARDS, UH, THAT, BUT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL TIME AND RESOURCES AND EXPENSE BY BOTH CITY AND APPLICANTS TO, UH, MEET.
UH, WHAT THIS MEANS IS WE ALSO HAVE TO REALLOCATE OUR RESOURCES AS STAFF AND TRY TO PUT MORE EFFORT IN ON ASSISTING AND WORKING WITH, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS, ESPECIALLY THE SMALL ONES, WHO, UH, A LOT OF THIS, UH, STUFF IS FOREIGN, UH, TO THEM.
UH, AND SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING TO, UH, SOMEBODY IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH ALL THE ACRONYMS AND ALL THE
UM, THAT'S NORM, YOU KNOW, NORMAL FOR US, BUT NOT FOR THEM.
UH, WE DID ADD, AS YOU KNOW, WE ADDED, UH, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT NEW THINGS WITH OUR UDC, THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMITS WERE EXPANDED, UH, MEANING THE NUM, THE TYPES OF USES THAT REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
UH, WE HAVE WATER QUALITY STANDARDS, DPC, FLOODPLAIN, TREE PRESERVATION, AND DARK SKIES.
WHAT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS THAT WE'VE HEARD THESE, UH, ISSUES AND THESE CONCERNS RAISED, UH, AND WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT, UH, HAVE HELPED TO TRY THAT.
WE'VE TRIED TO HELP, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
ONE, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, THE COMMISSION'S BEEN INVOLVED IN ALL OF THESE.
ONE, WE'VE, UH, DID DPZ WAIVERS FOR LOTS PRIOR TO 2020.
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WE SIMPLIFIED OUR DRAINAGE STUDY REQUIREMENTS, TIER ONE, TIER TWO, WHEN THEY'RE REQUIRED, WHEN THEY'RE NOT.UH, WE ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND FLOODPLAINS UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
UH, TREE MEASUREMENTS, UH, WE CHANGE THOSE AND HOW THOSE WORK.
WE'RE ALSO DOING AN EXEMPTION THAT LOOKS LIKE AGRICULTURAL TREES.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD A FARM THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, TREE, UM, PICKED CHERRY FOR THE FUN OF IT, A CHERRY TREE FARM, UH, UH, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN A PIECE OF LAND WITH LARGE HERITAGE AND LEGACY TREES, LIVE OAKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WE'VE ADDED SOME PLAID EXEMPTIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND A PAY IN LIEU OF OPTION FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, COMMERCIAL, WE DID, UH, MULTI-FAMILY CHANGES.
UH, WE ADDED SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS THAT ALLOW CONCURRENT CONSTRUCTION AND WE ADDRESS NOISE.
OUR FOCUS IS IN TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT QUALITY CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.
WE'RE WORKING ON PROVIDING, UH, CONCURRENT REVIEWS.
NOW, I WILL NOTE THIS, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS NOT TO LESSEN OR TAKE AWAY FROM OUR STANDARDS, BUT RATHER WORK ON THINGS CONCURRENTLY, UH, TO, UH, HELP, UH, WITH THE PROCESS TIME.
UH, WE'RE WORKING ON CHANGES TO OUR UDC CHAPTER TWO, WHICH YOU WILL SEE IN THE COMING MONTHS.
UH, WE'RE TRACKING OUR, UH, KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS ON A MONTHLY, QUARTERLY, AND ANNUALLY BASIS.
WE'RE GONNA SEE SOME OF THAT TONIGHT.
UH, AND WE'VE REALLOCATED OUR RESOURCES.
I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'VE ASKED THE PLANNERS TO BECOME PROJECT MANAGERS, MEANING THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT CASE AND HAVE SOME CONTINUITY FROM, UH, WHEN THE FIRST COMES IN THE DOOR TO, UH, BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED, AND EVEN SI O BEING COMPLETED.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO PROMOTE LIZ, THE DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR, UH, ONE OF HER CHIEF RESPONSIBILITIES IS TRYING TO WORK WITH, UH, RESIDENTS, UH, THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, AND WALK 'EM THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.
WE REDISTRIBUTED OUR WORKLOAD AMONGST EVERYBODY, UH, FOR, UH, TO TRY AND BALANCE.
UH, IN THE PAST, UH, YOU'D HAVE SPECIFIC STAFF MEMBERS DESIGNATED JUST FOR PLATS OR JUST FOR, UH, SITE PLANS, OR JUST FOR, OR EVEN IN OUR PERMITTING SIDE, UH, WHERE WE'VE ASKED OUR INSPECTORS TO ACTUALLY BECOME REVIEWERS ALSO.
AND SO THEY SPEND SOME TIME EVERY MORNING AND REVIEW ACCESSORY PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO HELP THOSE GO THROUGH QUICKER IS, UH, WITH THEIR INSPECTIONS.
WHEN I SAY ACCESSORY, I MEAN FENCES, SHEDS, UH, ADDITIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, WE DO, UH, AND I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
UH, LIZ HAS BEEN GREAT AT PROVIDING A, A VERY EFFECTIVE PROJECT TRACKING FOR OUR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS.
UH, AND WE ALSO HAVE ONE PERSON FOCUSED, IE LIZ, ON COMMERCIAL PLAN REVIEW.
THAT'S HELPED US CATCH A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN MISSED BECAUSE FOLKS WERE FOCUSED ON SINGLE FAMILY OR SOMETHING ELSE.
UH, WHOEVER CALLED AT THE TIME, WE GO OVER OUR PROJECTS WEEKLY, WHERE THEY ARE IN THE STATUS, WHAT'S NEEDED, AND WE TRY TO LEVERAGE ALL OUR RESOURCES, UH, CONSULTANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT TO HELP US OUT.
SO WHAT, SO WHAT DID, UH, THIS MEAN? WELL, OUR, OUR MAJOR PLAT REVIEWS ARE 84% FASTER, MEANING IT TAKES LESS TIME AND LESS NUMBER OF REVIEWS BEFORE IT COMES, BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR, UH, ACTION.
UM, OUR MINOR PLATS, SAME THING.
A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE SEE WITH OUR DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT IS WITH OUR MINOR AND OUR AMENDED, UH, PLATS.
WE HAVE A NEW, UH, PORTAL ONLINE FOR OUR UDC.
UH, WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF ROUND TABLES AND SURVEYS, UH, OUT THERE ASKING ABOUT THE PROCESS, WHERE THE WEAKNESSES ARE, WHERE, WHERE THEY NEED, UH, ASSISTANCE, AND, UM, AND WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, RESPOND TO THOSE EFFECTIVELY.
UH, RYAN DID A GREAT JOB IN GETTING A TREE GRANT 150, RIGHT, RYAN, 150 TREES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE AWAY THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY, UH, WHICH HAD BEEN A GREAT BENEFIT.
HE ALSO, UH, LED EFFORT FOR A CITYWIDE TREE SURVEY, AND THAT ALLOWS US TO START WORKING WITH, UH, RESIDENTS THAT HAVE, UH, TREES THAT NEED, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, WHERE THEY'RE DISEASE OVER RIGHT OF WAY, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
BUT WE ALLOWS US TO START, UH, WORKING ON THOSE.
UH, HE'S ALSO DONE A GREAT JOB WITH OUR WATER CONSERVATION REBATE PROGRAM FOR, ON OUR PERMITTING TEAM.
'CAUSE THESE MEET, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE INTERTWINED.
UH, WE'VE REDUCED OUR PERMITTING, UH, TIMELINES FROM OUR FIRST REVIEW TYPICALLY WAS 30 DAYS DOWN TO 20 DAYS.
OUR GOAL OVERALL IS TO REDUCE EVERYTHING BY 50%.
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WE ARE AT 14 POINT HALF DAYS DESPITE, UH, 120, 25% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF NEW HOME PERMITS THAT WE HAVE.UH, COMMERCIAL PERMITS, UH, 38.7 DAYS.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, NA HAS GROWN BY 89%.
WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO, FOR THE MOST PART, GET OUR 20.
WE HAVE A GOAL TO DO INSPECTIONS IN 24 HOURS.
SO WHEN THEY REQUEST TODAY, THEY CAN GET IT TOMORROW.
UH, AND, UH, THAT'S DESPITE OUR, UH, NUMBER OF STOPS THAT WE DO, UH, BEING INCREASED BY 31%, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S SOME TIES TO THE NUMBER OF PERMITS WITH THAT.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE OUR PLAN REVIEW, UH, BY 50%.
WE'LL BE MEASURING, UH, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT WHAT I CALL 24 HOUR PERMITS.
IN THE PAST, THERE USED TO BE, UH, IN PREVIOUS JOBS WHEN I WAS MUCH YOUNGER, AND, UH, YOU COULD COME TO THE COUNTER AND GET YOUR FENCE PERMIT.
YOU COULD COME AND GET YOUR WATER HEAT HEATER PERMIT.
YOU COULD DO REMODELS VERY QUICKLY.
THEY HAD STAFF ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO RECREATE THAT SAME PROCESS THAT WITHIN YOU SUBMITTING WITHIN 24 HOURS FOR THESE TYPES OF PERMITS, YOU'LL GET SOME RESPONSE TO THOSE, HOPEFULLY APPROVAL OR CLARIFICATION ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT PROVIDING A DEDICATED TEAM ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, DOWNTOWN PROPERTIES.
UH, I WOULD SAY THAT'S OUR COMMERCIAL CORE, UH, IN THE AREA SURROUNDING IT, UH, IN ORDER TO HELP THOSE OUT.
A LOT OF HISTORY RELATED TO LAND DIVISIONS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE, UH, PLAT EXEMPTIONS THAT, THAT SPECIFICALLY DEAL WITH, UH, THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UH, WE ARE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR, UH, MY GOVERNMENT ONLINE.
WE REALLY HOPE THAT THIS WILL, UH, IMPROVE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE, UH, IN OUR CUSTOMER PORTAL.
I KNOW A COUPLE OF YOU HAVE HAD SOME, UH, FRUSTRATIONS WITH OUR PORTAL.
UH, LACK OF INSTRUCTIONS, HOW TO GET THROUGH IT.
IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE WHAT, UH, TO YOUR RIGHT ON THE SCREEN IS ACTUALLY A PDF THAT, UH, WE WILL HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT TALKS ABOUT EXACTLY HOW TO DO SOMETHING IF YOU NEED, IF YOU NEED TO DO THAT.
UH, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DO SOME EXTENSIVE, UH, EXTERNAL TRAINING, UH, CUSTOMER TRAINING ON HOW TO USE THE PORTAL, UH, HAVE PEOPLE COME IN.
UH, WE'LL HELP 'EM REGISTER FOR THEIR CONTRACTORS AS CONTRACTORS AT THAT TIME.
UH, WE'LL WALK 'EM THROUGH PERMITS, EVEN HELP 'EM SUBMIT RIGHT DURING THAT TIME SO WE HAVE SOMETHING LIVE AND, AND THAT THEY CAN GO.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S OUR GENERAL.
WE GOT A WAYS TO GO, BUT, UH, WE'RE GETTING THERE AND, UM, THOUGHT YOU GUYS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS INFORMATION.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IT'S ALL IMPRESSIVE AND OBVIOUSLY MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS, UH, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN THERE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR CRANE? NO, I HAVE ONE.
SO WE'RE NOT USING GOVX OR GOV.
UH, WE ARE DROPPING SMART GOV AS SOON AS WE GET OH, THANKS.
UH, MY GOV UP AND RUNNING, WHICH WE ARE IN THE TESTING PHASE RIGHT NOW FOR BUILDING PERMITS, SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
IT'S A, A CHALLENGE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KNOW.
FUNNY STORY, FUNNY STORY WITH THAT, UH, MR. THATCHER WAS WORKING ON A ACCESSORY PERMIT, AND, YOU KNOW, I KEPT TELLING HIM, I SAID, THIS THING'S TERRIBLE, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING.
AND HE GOES THE OTHER DAY, HE GOES, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW BAD IT WAS UNTIL I TRIED TO DO SOMETHING.
SO
SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
ANYTHING ELSE, MR. CRANE? WHILE YOU THERE, WHY DON'T YOU INTRODUCE OUR NEW SUMMER INTERN? SURE.
YOU MAY RECOGNIZE HIM FROM, UH, LAST YEAR, HIS, OUR SECOND YEAR WITH US, RIGHT? YEP.
UM, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE HIM.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE HIM WORKING ON, UH, FRONT COUNTER, HELPING WITH PEOPLE, HELPING WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PROCESS, AND DO A LOT OF, UH, THOSE FUNCTIONS.
SO FOSTER, IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
UH, AS STATED AND FOSTER SIMONSON, I'M A SAN ANTONIO, UH, BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE.
UM, I'M CURRENTLY AT, UH, BRIGHAM AND U UNIVERSITY UP IN UTAH.
I'M GONNA BE A SENIOR NEXT YEAR, SO HOPEFULLY GRADUATED.
UM, UH, STUDYING URBAN AND REGIONAL PLANNING.
SO THIS IS RIGHT AT MY ALLEY, AND
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I HOPE THAT THIS WON'T BE THE LAST YOU SEE OF ME.HOPEFULLY I'LL BE BACK HERE IN FRONT OF THIS SAME COMMISSION TO, UH, BRING SOME AGENDA ITEMS TO YOU ALL.
UM, THANKS FOR BEING COMMITTED TO PUBLIC SERVICE, THAT, THAT'S CALLING.
IT'S A HIGH CALLING AND I KNOW THAT DIRECTOR CRANE AND HIS STAFF WILL TELL YOU THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL REWARD, MAYBE NOT MONETARY, BUT PSYCHOLOGICAL REWARD, UH, IN PLANNING AND DOING GOOD FOR A COMMUNITY LIKE THEY DO FOR BERNIE.
AND SO, UM, I'M GLAD YOU'RE BACK, UH, FOR A REPEAT, UH, SUMMER AND HOPEFULLY, UH, NEXT YEAR, MR. CRANE WILL HAVE GOOD USE FOR YOU.
UH, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
AND THANKS FOR YOUR, UH, PARTICIPATION THIS SUMMER IN OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
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YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO VISIT ALSO ABOUT? YES.UH, SO WE, WE GOT THE UNFORTUNATE NEWS TODAY THAT, UH, HEATHER IS LEAVING US TO GO JOIN THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT IN A NEW ROLE.
WE'RE EXCITED, UH, FOR THIS ROLE FOR HER.
UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA MISS HER TREMENDOUSLY.
SO IT'LL PROBABLY BE THE LAST TIME.
NO, I, I CAN GET HER ONE MORE TIME, I THINK.
AND WHAT IS, WHAT IS MS. WOODS'S NEW ROLE AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? WOULD YOU PLEASE SHARE WITH US YOUR NEW ROLE HERE AT THE CITY OF BERNIE? YES, SIR.
SO I WILL BE JOINING THE BERNIE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO THE CHIEF AND ASSISTANT CHIEFS.
YOU, UM, WE HAVE 2025 BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS.
IT'S WHAT, MR. CRANE? AND THEN WE'VE GOT ONE MORE ITEM AFTER THAT.
WHAT'S THE NUMBER I WANNA SHARE WITH YOU? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UM, SO YES, SO, UH, WE, WE FIND OUR, OURSELVES IN A POSITION ABOUT THIS TIME EVERY YEAR WHERE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON, LIFE CIRCUMSTANCES OR TERMS EXPIRE OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, UH, SO WE FIND OURSELVES, UH, CITYWIDE IN THE NEED OF VOLUNTEERS FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
SO THIS WAS JUST TO SAY, HEY, IF YOU KNOW SOMEBODY, UH, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON P AND Z OR, UH, OR DRC OR A HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, PLEASE HAVE THEM REACH OUT TO, UH, LORI, UH, CAROL, OR CITY SECRETARY AND START THAT PROCESS.
I, I JUST WANT TO BRIEF YOU ON OUR PEANUT BUTTER DRIVE.
UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS', UH, PARTICIPATION.
WE ACTUALLY GOT A HUNDRED THIRTY ONE SIXTEEN OUNCE JARS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE EQUIVALENT OF ANOTHER 33, UH, 16 OUNCE JARS IN MUCH LARGER SIZES THAT WE CAN, UH, DONATE TO EITHER HILL COUNTRY OR, UH, HILL COUNTRY FAMILY SERVICES.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR PARTICIPATION.
WELL, THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT CAUSE, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING SO INVOLVED IN IT.
UM, ONE OTHER ITEM, UNFORTUNATELY, AS, AS MR. CRANE MENTIONED, IT'S THE TIME OF YEAR WHERE SOME VOLUNTEERS DECIDE THAT THEY'VE GOTTA DO OTHER THINGS.
AND COMMISSIONER LAMO IS, HAS INFORMED US THAT, 'CAUSE SHE'S GOT A YOUNG FAMILY ONE, I THINK YOUR OLDEST IS STARTING SCHOOL THIS FALL.
PRE-K, UH, PRE-K, UM, WHICH I KNOW KEEP YOU VERY BUSY.
UM, IT'S YOUR, UH, PRACTICE, UM, AT HEB.
BUT, UM, WE'RE DISAPPOINTED THAT SHE HAS DECIDED NOT TO RE-ENLIST OR RE-UP OR BE REAPPOINTED.
UH, BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY GRATEFUL FOR THREE YEARS HERE ON THE COMMISSION AND, AND FOR THE THOUGHTS AND DILIGENCE THAT SHE BROUGHT TO EACH AND EVERY DISCUSSION.
UH, I WOULDN'T SAY DEBATE, BUT WE HAVE GOOD DISCUSSIONS LIKE TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION,
UM, AND WE GENERALLY HAVE GOOD DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE EACH ONE OF US, INCLUDING CHRISTIAN LE MOINES, TAKE THE TIME TO READ THE MATERIALS, GO VISIT THE SITE.
I KNOW CHRISTIAN SENYA WAS LOOKING AT THE HERFF ROAD SITE FOR STARBUCKS, AS WE ALL PROBABLY DROVE BY THERE BETWEEN, UH, THE TIME WE GOT THE PACKET IN TONIGHT.
BUT, UH, JERRY, I WANT TO THANK YOU.
WE'VE GOT, THE CITY'S GOT SOMETHING HE WANTS TO PRESENT TO YOU, UH, FOR YOUR SERVICE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
SO IF YOU'D STEP FORWARD, I WILL HAND THIS OFF TO YOU AND, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS ON BEHALF OF OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S A LITTLE MESA NIGHT THING.
SHARE IT WITH YOUR KIDS WHEN THEY GO OUT TO UNDERSTAND PUBLIC SERVICE.
SO THEY TOO WILL JOIN THEIR MOM ONE DAY IN GIVING BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITY AS GENEROUSLY AS YOU'VE GIVING BACK TO HER.
I THINK SHE A RUN, UH, NO FURTHER BUSINESS.
SORRY, BOB DIDN'T MAKE IT BY SEVEN 30, JUST BY 60 MINUTES.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, THANK YOU ALL.