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SUNDAY? MISSED 10.[1. CALL TO ORDER – 5:30 PM]
GOOD EVENING HERE TO CALL IN THIS CALL THIS SPECIAL HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMITTEE FOR A FEW ITEMS THAT WE TABLED LAST WEEK.IT IS, WHAT IS TODAY? JUNE 9TH AT 5 32.
[2. CONFLICT OF INTEREST ]
IS THAT, DOES ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST WITH THE ITEMS TODAY? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE DOES.[3. OATHS OF OFFICE: ]
WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH, UH, THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR OUR NEW COMMISSIONER.I, SHARON WRIGHT, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF BURNING OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AND CONTINUE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY TO PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THIS STATE.
ALRIGHT, WE MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR VISITORS AND GUESTS, UM, TO COME AND ADDRESS THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY'S SIGNED UP TODAY FOR THAT.
[5.A. Consider a certificate of appropriateness and variance recommendation for a new sign (1 of 3) located at 101 S. Main Street, Suite C. (Mainz Meat Market)]
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.FIRST AGENDA IS 2 0 2 5 6, WAIT 2 0 2 5 2 6 6.
TO CONSIDER THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND VARIANCE RECOMMENDED FOR NEW SIGNS.
THE LOCATED AT 1 0 1 SOUTH MAIN STREET, SUITE C.
AND I KNOW THERE'S THREE SIGNS THAT ARE ALL GONNA BE PRESENTED AT ONCE.
AND THEN ONCE WE'RE DONE PRESENTING, THEN WE'LL VOTE FOR EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY.
MY NAME IS JOANNE MARIE ANDRADE.
I AM WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS PRESENTATION COVERS THREE SEPARATE AGENDA ITEMS, ONE FOR EACH PROPOSED SIGN AT 1 0 1 SOUTH MAIN STREET, SUITE C.
UM, HOWEVER, WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THEM TOGETHER IN ONE SINGLE PRESENTATION FOR CLARITY AND EFFICIENCY.
SINCE ALL THREE SIGNS ARE PART OF ONE COHESIVE SIGN PACKAGE FOR THE NEW BUSINESS, MINES MEET MARKET.
THE APPLICANT IS MASON MINES AND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IN THE C3 COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
I WANT TO BRIEFLY, UH, WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS SITUATION IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE.
TYPICALLY, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW SIGNED SOLELY FOR DESIGN, APPROPRIATENESS AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND THE UDC.
HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, THE SIGNED PACKAGE INCLUDES REQUESTS THAT EXCEED THE ALLOWABLE SIGN AREA AND PROJECTION LIMITS UNDER THE UDC.
SO WHILE TODAY'S ACTION IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROPOSED SIGNS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, THEY, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO SEEKING, UM, AN HLC RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL TO BE FORWARDED TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
AND THEN, UM, GOING TO THE LAST SQUARE, THE DRC WILL EVALUATE WHETHER GRANTING THE REQUESTED SIGN VARIANCES FOR THE TOTAL AREA AND PROJECTION, UM, IS APPROPRIATE AND MEETS THEIR CRITERIA.
THE SIGN PACKAGE CONSISTS OF THREE COMPONENTS, A HANGING SIGN, AN ATTACHED CANOPY SIGN, AND A WALL SIGN.
NOW THIS LOCATION MAY LOOK A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR BECAUSE THE APPLICANT RECENTLY CAME BEFORE THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION LAST MONTH TO REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SMALL FACADE CHANGE.
THE STRUCTURES LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND EAST SAN ANTONIO.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1967 AS A DRUG STORE AND IS CONSIDERED A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT FEATURES A HILL COUNTRY COMMERCIAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WITH A STUCCO AND MASONRY FACADE, A WRAPAROUND PORCH, AND A DECORATIVE AND DECORATIVE METAL STARS ON THE TENANT CANOPIES.
ALL PROPOSED SIGNS WILL BE LOCATED ON THE EAST SAN ANTONIO SIDE, WHICH IS PICTURED ABOVE HERE.
AND, UM, THE EXISTING SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING CURRENTLY INCLUDES NON ILLUMINATED BLACK AND WHITE SCIENCE WITH THE SAN SARAH FONT, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED DESIGN.
SO NOW WE'LL GO, UM, INTO THE SIGNED DETAILS FOR EACH OF THE THREE INDIVIDUAL SIGNS.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE HANGING SIGN.
IT'S MOUNTED UNDER THE CANOP, THE EXISTING CANOPY.
IT'S A WOODEN BRACKET PLAQUE STYLE SIGN, FEATURING THE BUSINESS LOGO
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AND TEXT AND MEASURES TWO FEET SIX INCHES TALL BY FOUR FEET WIDE, TOTALING 10 SQUARE FEET.THE SIGN USES A CLEAN BLACK SANDSARA FONT AND IS NON ILLUMINATED.
IT MAINTAINS A PEDESTRIAN CLEARANCE OF SEVEN AND A HALF FEET.
A VARIANCE IS REQUIRED BECAUSE THE SIGN PROJECTS FOUR FEET FROM THE WALL OF THE BUILDING, UM, INTO THE CANOPY.
AND WHILE THE UDC ALLOWS A MAXIMUM PROJECTION OF 60% OF THE CANOPY WIDTH IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN, IT WOULD BE, UM, 60% IS THREE FEET AND THEY'RE PROPOSING FOUR FEET.
THE SECOND PROPOSED SIGN IS AN ATTACHED CANOPY SIGN.
IT IS ALSO A WOODEN BRACKET PLAQUE STYLE SIGN DESIGNED WITH A CURVED REC RECTANGULAR SHAPE THAT COMPLIMENTS THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE CANOPY.
THE SIGN MEASURES TWO FEET IN HEIGHT BY 12 FEET IN WIDTH, TOTALING 24 SQUARE FEET.
IT FEATURES A NON ILLUMINATED BLACK SANDSARA FONT AND MAINTAINS AN 11 FOOT PEDESTRIAN CLEARANCE.
THIS SIGN DOES NOT REQUIRE A PROJECTION VARIANCE, BUT IT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO THE OVERALL SIGN AREA TOTAL, WHICH EXCEEDS THE UD C'S MAXIMUM FOR TENANT SPACES.
THE THIRD SIGN IS A WALL-MOUNTED WOODEN SIGN WITH LOGO AND TEXT.
IT MEASURES FOUR FEET BY 12 FEET, TOTALING 48 SQUARE FEET.
LIKE THE OTHERS, IT'S NON ILLUMINATED AND IT ALSO FEATURES A BLACK SANDSARA FONT.
ALTOGETHER, THE THREE PROPOSED SIGNS TOTAL 82 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE FOR THIS TENANT SPACE.
10 SQUARE FEET FOR THE HANGING SIGN, 24 SQUARE FEET FOR THE TOUCH CANOPY SIGN AND 48 SQUARE FEET FOR THE WALL SIGN.
UNDER THE UDC, THE TOTAL ALLOWABLE SIGN AREA FOR A TENANT SPACE WITH 50 FEET OR LESS OF FRONTAGE IS 25 SQUARE FEET.
BECAUSE THIS PROPOSAL SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEEDS THE LIMIT, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A TOTAL OF 82 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE.
IN ADDITION, A SECOND VARIANCE IS REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECTION OF THE HANGING SIGN, WHICH EXTENDS FOUR FEET, UM, FROM THE FIVE FOOT DEEP CANOPY, WHILE THE UDC LIMITS PROJECTION TO 60%, WHICH I SAID WAS THREE FEET EARLIER.
UM, AGAIN, TONIGHT'S FOCUS IS ON WHETHER THESE SIGNS ARE APPROPRIATE IN DESIGN AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
IF APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WILL STILL NEED TO GO BEFORE THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH WILL DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT THE REQUESTED VARIANCES.
ALL THREE SIGNS MEET THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF MATERIAL SCALE AND DESIGN.
HOWEVER, THEY DO EXCEED UDC LIMITS ON SIGN AREA AND PROJECTION.
DESPITE THIS, THE SIGNS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE BUILDING'S DESIGN AND CONTEXT WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AS A REMINDER, ALL SIGNS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MUST FIRST BE REVIEWED BY HIS, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE DISTRICT GUIDELINES, DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE UDC.
IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES AND APPROVES THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THEN THE APPLICANT WILL THEN MOVE ON TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT OR DENY THE RISK REQUESTED SIGN VARIANCES BASED ON THEIR CRITERIA FOR APPROPRIATENESS.
THIS TWO STEP PROCESS ENSURES THAT SCIENCE MEET BOTH THE DESIGN INTENT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS OF THE UDC.
UM, BASED ON ALIGNMENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN, THE UDC CHAPTER NINE AND THE INTENT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ALL THREE SIGNS AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR BOTH SIGN VARIANCES TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THESE ARE THE MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION AND THE APPLICANT, MR. MASON MINES IS HERE TO, UM, SAY, GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PRESENTATION, MORE CONTEXT AND ALSO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU WHO MAKES UP THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE? SORRY, WHO MAKES UP THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE? THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF, UM, COUNCIL APPOINTED, UM, RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS.
IT'S A COMMUNITY BOARD SIMILAR TO THIS ONE.
UH, OF FIVE MEMBERS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY, UH, THE MAYOR AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
DO YOU WANNA GO UP AND SAY A FEW WORDS AND, HELLO COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE ORDINARY TO COME HERE ON A MONDAY, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT.
MY NAME IS MASON MINES AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE SMALL THING
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THERE.THE BIGGER SIGN THAT WAS ON THE STUCCO THAT WILL BE PAINTED ON THE STUCCO WILL NOT BE A WOODEN SIGN.
UM, I'VE KIND OF GONE AROUND TOWN.
I'VE TAKEN SOME PICTURES OF, UH, SOME SIGNS THAT KIND OF GO AGAINST WHAT THE UDC HAS ALREADY PLACED IN THEIR DESCRIPTIONS OF EXCEEDING THE OVERHANGS.
AND, UH, I'VE KIND OF INCLUDED THEM HERE IN THE PRESENTATION.
EACH ONE OF THESE IS EXCEEDING 60% OF THE OVERHANG.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT I'M NOT SETTING A PRECEDENT.
UM, AND THAT IT IS GOING ALONG WITH THE LCS MASTER PLAN HERE.
UH, THIS ONE IS LORI SANDERS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, UH, THE BERNIE DAILY GRIND, WHICH, UH, EXCEEDS 60% OF THAT OVERHANG THERE.
UH, LADA, WHICH IS ACTUALLY EXCEEDING ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF IT, AS WELL AS PIXIE THERE, CELESTE, UM, DOES NOT EVEN HAVE AN OVERHANG, A CYPRESS GRILL.
AND THIS HERE IS APACHE RIFLE WORKS, WHICH HAS THE EXACT SIZE OF MY SIGN THAT I'M TRYING TO GET APPROVED HERE, AS WELL AS THE EXACT SIZE OF THE OVERHANG, WHICH HAS BEEN APPROVED.
HERE AGAIN, IS THE EXACT SIGN OF BLACK RIFLE, WHICH HAS BEEN APPROVED, UH, THE SAME SIZE AND A LITTLE BIT LARGER OF AN OVERHANG, BUT JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT IT IS THE SAME SIZE AND NOT GOING AGAINST ANY OF THE LCS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SIGNS.
UH, DID ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO.
I JUST HAVE A, A QUESTION FOR THE CITY.
WITH THE CORRECTION OF THE LAST SIGN, THE WALL SIGN BEING PAINTED, HAS THE AREA FOR EACH OF THE PAINTED ITEMS BEEN CALCULATED OR ARE YOU JUST GOING OFF A, A SQUARE HEIGHT AND WIDTH FOR YOUR CALCULATIONS? 'CAUSE YOU HAD MENTIONED IT WAS A SIGN, BUT IF IT'S JUST BEING PAINTED ON, YES.
YOUR CALCULATIONS WOULD BE OFF IF IT WAS JUST THE LOGO BEING PAINTED.
I THINK WE HAD CALCULATED, 'CAUSE MY ORIGINAL ASSUMPTION WAS THAT THE WOODEN, IT WAS THE LETTERS, SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DIDN'T CHANGE.
SO, UH, WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THAT EACH OF THE, UH, UH, INDIVIDUAL LETTERS WERE CALCULATED AND THAT SIGN TOTAL AND NOT A BIG BLOCK COVERING ALL OF THE LETTERS.
UM, SO THAT THE 84 SQUARE FEET WOULD STILL BE ACCURATE EVEN WITH IT PAINTED.
SO A VARIANCE WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED.
SO IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THE SIGN THAT YOU CALCULATED JUST THE LETTERS.
SO IN THE SUBMITTAL, WHAT JOANNE MARIE IS SAYING WAS IN THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL, UM, EACH OF THE LETTERS WERE GOING TO BE INDIVIDUAL SIGNS, OR EACH WORD WAS GOING TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL SIGN.
AND SO THAT WAS WHAT WAS CALCULATED FOR THAT 84 SQUARE FEET, NOT A BIG SQUARE AROUND THE SIGN AND THE ANIMALS.
SO THEN IF IT, IF WE'RE SWITCHING IT FROM WOODEN TO PAINTED, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE SIZE AT ALL.
SO THE MEASURE, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND IT WOULD STILL MEET THE, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
I ALSO JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UM, MASON ALSO PROVIDED, UH, A WRITTEN LETTER AND IT WAS PROVIDED TO EACH OF YOU AT YOUR STATIONS JUST ON THE RECORD.
SO, UH, ANYBODY WATCHING THIS WOULD KNOW YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AT YOUR DISPOSAL.
YEAH, AND I THINK, UH, MR. MINES HAS ALWAYS, UH, DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB WITH SIGN DESIGN AND NOT JUST DOING A SQUARE OR AN OVAL, BUT MAKING IT UNIQUE OUTLINING THE EDGES WITH A ACCENT COLOR.
SO CAN YOU SHOW SOME OF THE SIGNS AGAIN AND KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE PINCH TO IT,
SO IF THEY HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MADAM, MADAM CHAIR, I, UH, MOVED TO APPROVE THE GO AHEAD.
SO, OH, EACH SIGN SEPARATELY? YES, SIR.
OH, DO YOU NEED AGENDA? UH, SO LET'S DO FIVE A SIGN NUMBER ONE SIGN, SIGN ONE, WHICH IS, UH, 2025 DASH 2 66.
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YES, SIR.UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH THE VARIANCE APPROVAL FOR APPROVAL FOR ACCEPTING THE VARIANCE.
DOES THAT COVER EVERYTHING? YEAH.
SO, SO, UM, YOU'RE APPROVING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE NEW SIGN AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO THE DRC? YES.
YEAH, BECAUSE I BELIEVE, WELL, THIS IS MORE OF A DISCUSSION THING, BUT I JUST THINK BEING ON THE SIDE STREET, I THINK THE SIZE ISN'T GOING TO, IF IT'S ONLY A FOOT DIFFERENCE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO IMPACT WHEN SO MANY OTHER SIGNS ON MAIN STREET ARE THE SAME SIZE.
WE HAVE A MOTION OF APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER NICHOLS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GRAVES.
UM, SIGN NUMBER ONE IS APPROVED.
[5.B. Consider a certificate of appropriateness and variance recommendation for a new sign (2 of 3) located at 101 S. Main Street, Suite C. (Mainz Meat Market)]
WE CAN MOVE TO SIGN NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS 2 0 2 5 DASH 2 6 7 FOR THE CANOPY SIGN.THAT ONE DOES NOT HAVE A VARIANCE.
SO THAT ONE'S JUST, JUST VERY, UH, IT, SORRY.
THERE IS A VARIANCE, UM, FOR THIS ONE.
JUST ONE BECAUSE IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE TOTAL SIGN AREA.
SO IF YOU COULD, YEAH, WE HAVE A, SO, UM, I MOVE TO, UH, THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK, UH, LANDMARK COMMISSION, UH, ACCEPT THE FINDINGS AND APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND VARIANCE RECOMMENDATION FOR A NEW SIGN TO OF THREE.
UH, THAT'S, UM, FIVE B 2 2 20 25 DASH 2 67, LOCATED AT 1 0 1 SOUTH MAIN STREET, SUITE C, UH, AND APPROVE THE, UM, VARIANCE FOR THE SLIDES.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GRAVES.
AND THE SECOND SIGN FOR THE CANOPY HAS BEEN IMPROVED AS WELL.
[5.C. Consider a certificate of appropriateness and variance recommendation for a new sign (3 of 3) located at 101 S. Main Street, Suite C. (Mainz Meat Market)]
CAN GO FOR THE THIRD SIGN, WHICH IS THE WALL MOUNTED IN 2 0 2 5 DASH 2 6 8.I MOVE THAT THE, UH, HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION ACCEPTS THE FINDINGS AND APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SIGN NUMBER THREE, INCLUDING THE REMIC RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR BOTH THE SIGNED VARIANCES.
IS THAT GOOD?
SO, GOOD NEWS NOW I CAN MOVE ON TO THE EX COMMITTEE AND GET THOSE VARIANCES APPROVED.
[6. COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION/LEGAL COUNSEL/STAFF – No discussion or action may take place.]
THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM LEGAL OR STAFF? I JUST WANNA THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING IN ON A MONDAY FOR THE SPECIAL MEETING.UM, I KNOW IT WAS A LITTLE CRAZY, YOU GOT A LOT OF PHONE CALLS FROM US, SO I JUST WANNA AGAIN SAY THANK YOU.
I MEAN, THAT GUY
WE'RE MAKING SURE WE HAD QUORUM TODAY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN.
WE WOULD, BUT WE WOULD, WE HAVE TO.
I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT PROVIDING THE, UM, THE, UH, EXAMPLES OF OTHER SIGNS BECAUSE THAT, UM, THAT'S JUST SHOWED, UM, PRECEDENT OF OTHER SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE AREA.
UH, ANYBODY MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MOVED TO ADJOURN.
AYE IS 5 52 AND MEETING IS ADJOURNED.