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          [1. CALL TO ORDER – 6:00 PM]
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          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, I'M TIM VAN WOLF AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING ON THE BERNIE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ALONG WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS OUR REGULAR CALL MEETING FOR THE MONTH OF JULY. 
          BEFORE WE BEGIN, IF WE'LL PLEASE RISE AND SAY OUR PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          FIRST, THE UNITED STATES FLAG, UH, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE TO ALL I'LL PLEASE FACE THE TEXAS FLAG. 
          HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD ONE AND INVISIBLE. 
          AND NOW, IF ALL OF YOU WOULD PLEASE JOIN ME IN A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER FOR THE VICTIMS AND THE FAMILIES OF THE TEXAS FLOODS OVER THE JULY FOR THE WEEKEND, NOT JUST IN TEXAS, BUT FOLKS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY LOST LOVED ONES IN THAT FLOOD. 
          AND SO WE WANNA REMEMBER THEM AND SILENTLY PRAY FOR THEM IN OUR HEARTS. 
          NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT BEFORE YOU SEATED, I THINK A ROUND OF APPLAUSE IS NEEDED FOR THOSE RESPONDERS THAT I RISK THEIR LIVES. 
          I RESPONDENT HERE BACK AGAIN, HAVE ONE IN THE BACK. 
          YES. 
          FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO RISKED THEIR LIVES TO SAVE THE LIVES OF OTHERS, WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND THEY CAME TOGETHER IN TEXAS. 
          NOW WILL HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING THIS EVENING AND FOR YOUR PRAYERS A MOMENT AGO. 
          PLEASE BE SEATED. 
          FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. 
          ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS THIS EVENING? ALRIGHT, THERE BEING NONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC 
          [3. PUBLIC COMMENTS: This is the opportunity for visitors and guests to address the Planning and Zoning Commission on any issue.  The Planning and Zoning Commission may not discuss any presented issue, nor may any action be taken on any issue at this time.  (Attorney General opinion – JC-0169)]
COMMENTS AND THIS IS THE CHANCE FOR ALL OF YOU WHO ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH US ABOUT THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. 
          ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU WANNA SHARE WITH US THIS EVENING? UM, WE'VE GOT FIVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SO I'LL FIRST CALL MS. ELLEN CLARK, IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          MS. CLARK, IF YOU'LL GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS. 
          UH, 5 1 8 FABRO STREET. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE BEGIN IN THE TERRACES OF CIVIL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MS. CLARK. 
          GOOD EVENING, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          UH, I HOPE YOU HAVE NOT MADE UP YOUR MINDS TO BRING GOODWILL INTO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, BRINGING GOODWILL INTO OUR COMMUNITY IS DEFINITELY GOING TO DILUTE DONATIONS. 
          AND WHY AM I INTERESTED IN DILUTING DONATIONS? I'M HERE SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. 
          I AM NOT REPRESENTING THE CENTER, BUT I'M A VOLUNTEER AT THE SENIOR CENTER, ALSO KNOWN, KNOWN AS THE CENTER. 
          AND I AM IN CHARGE SOLELY OF THE THRIFT STORE. 
          THAT IS WHY I AM HERE. 
          OUR LITTLE TOWN, OUR LITTLE CITY HERE, CAN ONLY TAKE SO MANY DONATIONS. 
          AND, AND IF ANOTHER BIG ENTITY COMES IN, OUR DONATIONS ARE GOING TO BE DILUTED. 
          UM, WE ALL KNOW THAT GRANTS AND DON AND DONATION GRANTS ARE BEING QUESTIONED. 
          WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING. 
          THE CENTER OPERATES ON GRANTS AND DONATIONS, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE VERY GENEROUS DONORS, BUT THE GRANTS, UH, ARE QUESTIONABLE. 
          AND OUR LITTLE THRIFT STORE IS THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          UH, IT SHOULD TURN IN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          UH, WE DO $1, $2, $3, $4 ITEMS. WE ARE NOT AN EXPENSIVE THRIFT STORE. 
          UM, THE THE CUTS ARE WE, EVERY PENNY COUNTS. 
          EVERY PENNY THAT WE MAKE IN THE THRIFT STORE IS TURNED INTO THE CENTER. 
          THERE ARE NO HIGH SALARIES, THERE ARE NO SALARIES, PERIOD. 
          WE ARE RUN SOLELY BY VOLUNTEERS. 
          UM, NOT, UH, A BIG ENTITY LIKE GOODWILL CAN SAY THAT. 
          AND ALL OF OUR DONATIONS STAY LOCAL, UH, THRIFT STORE. 
          UH, GOODWILL IS KNOWN TO DILUTE, UH, AND SEND THEIR DONATIONS, WHICH WILL GO OUT OF KENDALL COUNTY. 
          WE WANNA KEEP EVERYTHING LOCAL. 
          UM, THE CENTER DOES SO MUCH GOOD AND OUR LITTLE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS GOES TO, UM, MEALS ON WHEELS, TRANSPORTATION COUNSELING, UM, A SENIOR PROGRAM FOR LUNCHES. 
          IT'S VITAL FOR SOCIALIZATION FOR SENIORS, UH, CLASS FOR BRAIN STIMULATION. 
          UH, BUT WE DO HAVE FUN TOO. 
          WE HAVE DANCES THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC $15 AND THAT'S 
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A LOSS. 
          SO THAT HAS TO BE PICKED UP BY THE CENTER. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          , WE WE DO HAVE FUN AT THE CENTER TOO, BY THE WAY. 
          UM, YOU MAY CONTINUE, PLEASE, MS. CLARK. 
          PLEASE FINISH. 
          PARDON ME. 
          PLEASE FINISH YOUR STATEMENT. 
          I WILL. 
          YES. 
          UH, I JUST WANNA SAY I LIVE OFF OFF OF NORTH MAINE AND, UH, THE SAME REASONS THAT IT WAS TURNED ON ONCE BEFORE ON AMBIENCE. 
          I FEEL THE SAME WAY VERY STRONGLY. 
          UH, THAT'S A CORRIDOR TO A COMFORT. 
          IT'S A CORRIDOR. 
          IT'S A CORRIDOR TO THE SISTER DALE STREET. 
          AND, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU JUST LISTENING TO ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, THANK YOU MS. CLARK, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN THIS EVENING. 
          UM, PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT. 
          UH, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT YOUR SON TEXTED ME EARLIER THAT YOU WERE COMING THIS EVENING. 
          I WILL NOT SHARE YOUR AGE WITH EVERYONE THAT'S HERE, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, THAT IF I'M 25 YEARS YOUNGER THAN YOU ARE, I HOPE TO BE AS GOOD A SHAPE AND AS ARTICULATE AND AS ELOQUENT AS YOU JUST MADE A PRESENTATION TO US THIS EVENING. 
          I CAN'T APPLAUD YOU AND THE OTHERS WHO'VE COME HERE ENOUGH TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT TO GET OUT ON A SUMMER NIGHT LIKE THIS, TO COME DOWN HERE AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH US. 
          AND SECOND THOUGHT I'D SHARE WITH YOU, YOU'VE RAISED A FINE SUN, MS. CLARK, YOU'VE MUCH TO BE PROUD OF. 
          SO THANK YOU ON BOTH COUNTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, BRYCE BALDWIN, I THINK IT'S BALDWIN BODE. 
          OH, BODDE. 
          SORRY. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          FORMER COUNCILMAN. 
          SORRY THERE. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE MY GLASSES READING GLASSES ON AT THE TIME, COUNCILMAN. 
          IT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          PLEASE FORGIVE THAT SOCIAL FAPA FOR MINUTE. 
          THAT'S, IT'S OKAY. 
          I NEED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. 
          BRYCE BODE 1 0 2 WEST MAIN STREET, WARING, TEXAS. 
          THAT'S DOWNTOWN METROPOLITAN WARING . 
          UM, I AM THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HILL COUNTRY FAMILY SERVICES, UH, WHO ALSO HAS A THRIFT SHOP, UH, RANDOM HANGERS, WHICH IS AN AWESOME THRIFT SHOP. 
          WE TURNED 40, UH, LAST WEEK, 40 YEARS OLD. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY, SERVING THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, WE WERE STARTED BY TWO GUIDANCE COUNSELORS, UH, WITHIN BERNIE ISD THAT SAW A NEED FOR KIDS TO HAVE FOOD AND SHELTER AND MADE SURE THEIR UTILITIES WERE PAID. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN GOING STRONG FOR 40 YEARS. 
          UM, I HAVE SPENT MOST OF MY DAY TODAY IN COMFORT. 
          UM, COMFORT DID RECEIVE SOME FLOOD DAMAGES, DESPITE WHAT YOU MIGHT HEAR. 
          UH, WE SERVE ONLY KENDALL COUNTY RESIDENTS, SO WE DON'T GO OUTSIDE THE BORDERS OF KENDALL COUNTY. 
          UM, WE SERVE WITH FOOD ASSISTANCE. 
          WE HAVE A GROCERY STORE THAT IS SOLELY FUNDED BY OUR THRIFT SHOP. 
          UM, THAT GROCERY STORE IS A PANTRY THAT, UH, FOLKS FROM THE CENTER COME AND USE. 
          UH, WE COLLABORATE WITH THE CENTER. 
          WE SEND COUNSELORS OVER THERE FOR THEIR COUNSELING PROGRAMS. UH, WE COLLABORATE WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER NON-PROFITS THAT ARE GONNA COME UP AND SPEAK TONIGHT. 
          UM, I AM SELFISH FOR KENDALL COUNTY AND I'M THAT WAY FOR A REASON. 
          UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE DO HERE MATTERS AND THE MONEY THAT WE RAISE HERE MATTERS. 
          KENDALL COUNTY WAS THE NUMBER ONE CHARITABLE COUNTY AND THE STATE OF TEXAS IN 2023. 
          YOU GIVE A LOT HERE. 
          7,502 VOLUNTEERS VOLUNTEERED THEIR TIME IN 2023. 
          THAT'S EVEN BETTER AND GREATER NOW. 
          THAT'S FROM A CHAMBER RELATED STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND PRESENTED TO THIS COUNTY. 
          A PROCLAMATION WAS MADE BY THE CITY OF BERNIE PROCLAIMING US BEING THAT NUMBER ONE GIVING COUNTY. 
          THAT'S A BIG DEAL. 
          OUR THRIFT SHOP MEANS A LOT TO US. 
          I HAVE NO ILL WILL AGAINST GOODWILL. 
          I KNOW THAT THEY DO GREAT WORK, BUT EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE GET GOES A LONG WAY HERE FOR THE CITIZENS OF BERNIE AND FOR THE CITIZENS OF KENDALL COUNTY. 
          THAT MEANS A LOT TO ME AS THE NEWLY MINTED EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. 
          I NEED THOSE DOLLARS TO GO A LONG WAY. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THIS WILL IMPEDE ON THAT. 
          I KNOW YOU HAVE LEGAL OBLIGATIONS FROM WHAT YOU DO IN PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          GOT A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN THAT. 
          I KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU FROM A NONPROFIT STANDPOINT OF HOW THIS WILL IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, ALL OF US THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT FROM OTHER THRIFT SHOPS WORK TOGETHER. 
          WE SHARE DOLLARS, WE SHARE RESOURCES ALREADY, AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US. 
          PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COUNCILMAN BODY. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS FOR YOUR PRIVATE SECTOR SERVICE THAT MORPHED INTO PUBLIC SECTOR SERVICE THAT'S NOW MORPHED BACK TO PRIVATE SECTOR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. 
          PATTY MAINS. 
          PATTY, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS, IF YOU WOULD FOR THE RECORD. 
          1571 SOUTH MAINE, BERNIE, TEXAS. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING. 
          I AM, I, UH, AM HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSIONER. 
          I'M A DIRECTOR FOR DOSS FESTIVAL OF KINDLE AND I OWN BLACK 
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RIFLE. 
          UM, I WANNA BEGIN BY RECOGNIZING THE EXCEPTIONAL STRENGTH AND CHARACTER OF THE HILL COUNTRY COMMUNITY. 
          WHEN DISASTER STRIKES, WE DON'T HOLD MEETINGS OR WAIT FOR DIRECTIONS. 
          WE ACT, WE SHOW UP. 
          WE SERVE, WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER IT'S A CHAINSAW OR EXCAVATORS, BAR OIL OR DUMPSTERS. 
          OUR COMMUNITY BROUGHT REAL TOOLS AND REAL SUPPORT TO FLOOD SITES IN COMFORT, KERRVILLE, AND HUNT. 
          THAT'S WHO WE ARE. 
          WE'RE A COMMUNITY. 
          LOCAL NONPROFITS, KENDALL COUNTY WOMEN'S SHELTER, HILL COUNTRY FAMILY SERVICES, HILL COUNTRY DAILY BREAD, SALVATION ARMY, HILL COUNTRY ANIMAL LEAGUE. 
          ALL IMMEDIATELY ON THE GROUND WERE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. 
          AND SO WERE ALL THE OTHER THRIFT STORES IN TOWN. 
          NOT JUST OPERATING HERE, BUT LIVING HERE, SERVING HERE AND GIVING BACK. 
          AND YET, WHERE WAS GOODWILL? THEY WERE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN THE DAYS, THE FOUR DAYS AFTER THE FLOOD. 
          THERE'S NO VISIBLE SUPPORT FROM, FROM THEIR ORGANIZATION. 
          NO VOLUNTEERS, NO SUPPLIES, NO PRESENTS. 
          A DON A DONATOR REFRIGERATOR TO A GIRL SCOUT MAY MAKE FOR A GOOD PRESS RELEASE, BUT IT'S NOT MEANINGFUL ENGAGEMENT, ESPECIALLY FROM A 7.2 BILLION ORGANIZATION HERE IN KENDALL COUNTY. 
          WE DON'T MEASURE CONTRIBUTION IN PR CAMPAIGNS OR TAX DEDUCTIONS. 
          WE MEASURE IN ACTION. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE COMMUNITY LED DIGITAL LITERACY PROGRAM, JOB PLACEMENT RESOURCES, AND THRIFT OPERATIONS IN 2024. 
          THOSE LOCAL THRIFT STORES RAISED, THEY GENERATED 2.1 MILLION OF ALL AND ALL OF WHICH STAYED HERE IN KENDALL COUNTY. 
          WHAT GOODWILL OFFERS ISN'T NEEDED. 
          IT'S DUPLICATION, NOT INNOVATION. 
          AND WORSE, IT RISK BECOMING AN EYESORE AT THE ENTRANCE TO TOWN. 
          WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER HOURS, REGARDLESS OF IF YOU ARE DECLARED A DONATION STATION OR NOT, OR YOU HAVE CONTAINERS OR NOT. 
          WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER HOURS. 
          PEOPLE WILL SEE THE SIGN GOODWILL AND THEY WILL DUMP BAGS AND BOXES AND MORE. 
          IT HAPPENS TO EVERY LOCAL LOCATION, LO LOCAL THRIFT SHOP LOCATION. 
          AND IT'S NOT SPECULATION. 
          THAT'S FACT. 
          UM, I'M ASKING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO LISTEN TO THIS COMMUNITY. 
          WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN CORPORATE CHARITY MODELS THAT DON'T SHOW UP WHEN IT COUNTS. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE WHAT WE NEED HERE BUILT FOR US BY US. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND, AND THANK YOU FOR SITTING UP HERE WHEN YOUR COMMISSION'S CONVENED. 
          UM, REBECCA FOREST, MS. FOREST, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND TELL US YOUR ADDRESS AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH US PLEASE. 
          SURE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, 1 0 5 THUNDER ROAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I COME TO YOU TONIGHT AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HILL COUNTRY ANIMAL LEAGUE. 
          THAT'S THE THRIFT STORE. 
          AND THE CLINIC THRIFT STORE IS ONE 15, UH, BANDERA AND THE CLINIC IS AT 9 24 NORTH MAINE. 
          SO WHAT I WANNA SHARE WITH YOU GUYS IS WE ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMPETITION. 
          IN FACT, WE ALREADY COLLABORATE WITH ALL THE OTHER THRIFT STORES. 
          WE GET TOGETHER QUARTERLY, FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN SUPPORT EACH OTHER. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT BERNIE IS A, AN AMAZING THRIFT COMMUNITY. 
          PEOPLE COME IN FROM OUTTA TOWN, THEY WANNA ENJOY MAIN STREET, THEY WANNA GO THRIFTING BARGAINING. 
          SO IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR THRIFT STORES. 
          THAT'S REALLY NOT THE ISSUE. 
          THE NONPROFIT THRIFT STORES HERE HELP ONE ANOTHER THRIVE. 
          WE WANNA SUCCEED IN OUR MISSIONS, WHETHER THAT MISSION IS TO HELP FEED FOLKS WHO NEED THE FOOD, HELP THE ANIMALS WHO NEED TO BE SPAY NEUTERED WELLNESS SERVICES TO TRY TO KEEP OUR STRAY POPULATION, UM, TO A, TO A MINIMUM, OR THE WOMEN'S SHELTER WHO HELPS WOMEN TRANSITIONING INTO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THEIR LIVES. 
          SO OUR LOCAL DOLLARS STAY LOCAL. 
          AS BRYCE WAS SAYING, THIS IS A REALLY BIG DEAL FOR US BECAUSE WHEN WE GET DONATIONS LOCALLY, WE DON'T SHIP THEM ANYWHERE ELSE. 
          THEY STAY HERE IN BURNIE. 
          THOSE DOLLARS GO TO HELP ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AT THE CLINIC, WE HAVE COUNTIES FROM ALL OVER BRINGING ANIMALS TO, TO OUR CLINIC. 
          SO NOT ONLY DO WE SERVE KENDALL, BUT WE SERVE OTHER COUNTIES AS WELL. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS WHEN OUR DONATION DOLLARS DON'T STAY IN BERNIE, WHO ARE WE IMPACTING? WE'RE NOT IMPACTING BERNIE CITIZENS AND THIS THE COMMUNITY AROUND US. 
          SO I JUST ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE 38 YEARS H CAL HAS BEEN 
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SERVING IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I KNOW GOODWILL HAS A WONDERFUL MISSION AS WELL, CHANGING THE LIVES OF THE POWER OF WORK. 
          I ONLY KNOW THAT 'CAUSE I WORK FOR THEM. 
          LIKE 16 YEARS AGO I WAS THEIR DIRECTOR OF TRAINING, SO I KNOW THEY HAVE A GREAT MISSION, BUT MY MISSION HERE IS TO HELP BERNIE. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. 
          LISA ALBAN, YOU'LL COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          HELLO? HELLO. 
          LISA ALBAN, 4 1 2 ENGLISH OAKS CIRCLE. 
          SO NOT TOO FAR FROM THE PROPOSED GOODWILL. 
          AGAIN, I I'M GOING TO REITERATE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID HERE SO FAR, EXCEPT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INTENTION AND IMPACT. 
          THE INTENTION OF GOODWILL I THINK IS FANTASTIC. 
          THE INTENTION IS TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THEY'RE GONNA EMPLOY PEOPLE. 
          UH, THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE GOODS OUT TO PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT. 
          BUT THEN THERE'S THE IMPACT. 
          SO THE INTENTION IS GOOD. 
          I THINK ALL OF US CAN SAY, NOBODY'S LIKE, OH, GOODWILL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS HORRIBLE REPUTATION. 
          ALTHOUGH SOME PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT. 
          THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE NOT LOCAL. 
          WHAT THE THRIFT STORES HERE IN BERNIE DO, EVERYTHING THAT COMES INTO THAT STORE STAYS IN THE STORE. 
          THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE STORE, THEY LIVE HERE IN BURN FOR THE MOST PART. 
          OR THEY COME MAYBE FROM COMFORT OR SOMEWHERE CLOSER. 
          BUT EVERYTHING, I USED TO WORK FOR KENDALL COUNTY WOMEN'S SHELTER. 
          I DIDN'T WORK IN THE THRIFT STORE, BUT WE WERE RIGHT THERE. 
          I'M ASSOCIATED WITH THE HILL COUNTRY ANIMAL LEAGUE. 
          SO I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THE THRIFT STORES AND THE WORKINGS OF THEM. 
          SO AGAIN, THE IMPACT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE INTENTION. 
          AND I THINK THE INTENTION OF EVERYONE WHO IS HERE TONIGHT ON THE BOARD LISTENING TO ME IS YOU WANNA DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR BERNIE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA SAY, NO, THIS IS A BIG COMPANY, IT'S A BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY. 
          FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, TWO YEARS AGO THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND IT, I DON'T THINK IT WENT THROUGH, UH, YOUR COMMISSION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WE RECOMMENDED RIGHT. 
          YOU RECOMMENDED THAT AT NOT SO IN TWO YEARS, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT HAS CHANGED EXACTLY, BUT THE IMPACT IS STILL THE SAME. 
          THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE GOODWILL'S GONNA COME IN. 
          YES, THEY'RE GONNA HIRE SOME PEOPLE WHO WE COULD HIRE SOME MORE PEOPLE. 
          ANYBODY HERE WOULD BE WILLING TO DONATE TO ANY OF THESE GREAT CAUSES SO THAT WE COULD HAVE MORE FUNDS TO HIRE PEOPLE. 
          THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. 
          OR TO GET, YOU KNOW, GOOD QUALITY, UH, STRUCTURES THAT WE NEED. 
          BUT IT'S THE IMPACT THAT IS GOING TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT BERNIE. 
          PEOPLE ARE GONNA DONATE THEIR STUFF. 
          OH, IT'S GOODWILL. 
          I I MEAN, HOW MANY BEFORE WE STARTED DOING THIS, DID YOU KNOW THE KNOW THE GOODWILL THAT IT SENDS IT OUT. 
          IT'S A NATIONAL COMPANY. 
          PEOPLE COME TO BERNIE AS, UH, OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE SAID THEY COME HERE FOR A VIBE FOR A REASON, AND THE REASON IS THE IMPACT THAT BERNIE HAS AND THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE IF GOODWILL COMES IN, IT'S LIKE, OH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, UH, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T, IT IT'S NOT GOOD. 
          UM, AND THAT'S REAL. 
          OH, I HAD ONE MORE. 
          I HAVE A, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IF YOU DO, UH, GIVE THE PERMIT, IS THAT A PERMANENT THING OR IS THERE SOME WAY THAT AT SOME POINT YOU'RE LIKE, OH, ONCE YOU SEE ALL THIS STUFF THAT'S GONNA BE DUMPED OVER THERE, U-HAUL ISS GONNA BE LIKE, OH LOOK, GOODWILL AND U-HAUL, WE CAN JUST PUT ALL OF OUR STUFF RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE BAD. 
          SO IS IT A PERMANENT PERMIT OR IS IT A ONE YEAR? IS IT MS. ALVIN? THAT'LL BE ANSWERED DURING THE STAFF PRESENTATION, SO PLEASE, PLEASE, THAT. 
          FANTASTIC. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL IMPACT VERSUS INTENT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          I HOPE ALL OF YOU CAN REMEMBER WHEN YOU'RE MAKING A DECISION. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN HERE. 
          NOW, I KNOW THERE WAS A LINE COMING IN AT SIX O'CLOCK 'CAUSE I JUST SKIRTED PAST IT, SO IF SOMEONE WAS DISCOURAGED FROM SIGNING UP TO SPEAK BECAUSE OF THE LINE, YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW. 
          UH, WE ALWAYS TAKE ALL COMERS. 
          IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS ITEM OR ANY OTHER ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          NOW, YOU'LL ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHEN THAT IS, UH, COMMENCED. 
          YES, PLEASE COME ON DOWN MA'AM. 
          AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          MY NAME IS CHERYL LAD RUSSELL, I HEARD ABOUT 1 5 7 BITTER SPRINGS. 
          UM, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AIR QUALITY THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH BUCKY'S RIGHT BELOW WHERE WE LIVE BECAUSE THE WIND ALWAYS COMES UP OVER THE HILL TO US, AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT OUR AIR QUALITY IS NOT GONNA BE WHAT IT IS NOW. 
          WE CAME HERE FOR THE FRESH, CLEAN AIR AND I'M, I'M JUST WORRIED THAT IT IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT IN NOT A GOOD WAY FOR US THAT LIVE UP THERE. 
          SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          IF ANYBODY CARES. 
          WELL, WE DO CARE AND WE DO WANT TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          YEAH, I'M JUST, I'M JUST 
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VERY WORRIED 'CAUSE FRESH AIR IS ONE OF THE GREAT GIFTS OF GOD AND UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WE LIVE IN BERNIE IS FOR THAT FRESH AIR AND JUST BELOW US, OUR COMMUNITY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CARS, A LOT OF GAS. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY IT WOULD BE OKAY WITH ME IF IT WENT, IF THE WIND WENT RIGHT DOWN THE HIGHWAY. 
          WE'RE ALL USED TO SMELLING THE HIGHWAY. 
          BUT WHEN YOU LIVE IN A WONDERFUL HOUSE WITH WONDERFUL FRESH AIR, I'M REALLY CONCERNED. 
          THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS AND THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. 
          THERE WAS AN ITEM, UH, INITIALLY POSTED FOR THIS MEETING INVOLVING A REZONING REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT. 
          BUCKY'S BUCKY'S WITHDREW THAT REQUEST. 
          UH, IT'LL COME BACK TO US AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, SO PLEASE STAY, UH, AWARE OF OUR FUTURE AGENDAS. 
          I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT WILL COME BACK TO US. 
          AS I UNDERSTAND IT WAS A REQUEST FOR REZONING FOR A PARKING LOT ALONG IH 10 FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. 
          BUT AGAIN, THEY'VE GOTTA COME BACK TO US AT SOME POINT. 
          SO, UH, PLEASE, UH, WATCH YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA AND WATCH THE CITY WEBSITE AND PUBLIC NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER, BECAUSE THAT WILL HAVE TO BE POSTED AGAIN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MY NAME IS BRIAN RUSSELL. 
          I LIVE AT 1 57 BITTER SPRINGS. 
          I'M ATTACHED TO THIS LADY AND HAVE BEEN FOR ABOUT 45 YEARS. 
          WE'RE FAIRLY NEW IN BERNIE, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. 
          WE ARE SO DISAPPOINTED. 
          I I THOUGHT THE MEETING TONIGHT WAS ABOUT BUCKY'S, BUT I'VE BEEN MISINFORMED, MISINFORMED ABOUT THIS PROJECT SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING. 
          IT WAS KEPT SECRET, AS YOU PEOPLE ALL KNOW, IT HAD A CODE NAME SO IT WOULDN'T COME INTO SOCIETY. 
          AND NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE BREAKING GROUND AND, AND NOBODY HAS RAISED A FUSS ABOUT THIS MONSTROSITY THAT IS GOING TO BE THE WELCOMING MAT FOR BERNIE. 
          IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. 
          I THINK IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE ARE GOING TO BE 90 GAS BUMPS AND THE TRAFFIC, AND AS MY WIFE SAID, THE AIR QUALITY THERE, DON'T TELL ME YOU CAN MASK AND COVER THE VOLUME OF GASOLINE FUMES COMING OUT OF 90 GAS PUMPS. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW I GOT THROUGH HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          THE PROJECT WAS STARTED WITH A CODE NAME AND THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GOOD OR THE BAD OF BUCKY'S. 
          I'M NOT ARGUING ABOUT BUCKY'S, IT'S NOT MY TASTE, BUT THAT'S NOT UP TO ME. 
          WHAT I REALLY QUESTION IS THIS LOCATION, IT MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE TO NOT HAVING AS THE WELCOMING BAT, BUT TO PUT IT UP NORTHWEST OF TOWN WHERE ALL THESE METAL BUILDINGS AND ALL THAT OPEN LAND AND IT CAN STILL DO THIS BUSINESS, BUT WHERE IT IS, IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF OUR BEAUTIFUL LITTLE TOWN FOREVER. 
          IT'S REALLY A SHAME. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          AND UH, AS YOU MIGHT KNOW, THIS ALL STARTED BEFORE YOUR 40TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY. 
          UH, NONE OF US WERE HERE AT THE TIME, BUT, UM, I KNOW AGAIN, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO BUCKY'S IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, BECAUSE THE ITEM INITIALLY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HEARD THIS EVENING, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME FORWARD TONIGHT TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          AND AGAIN, WATCH THE NEWSPAPER, WATCH THE CITY'S AGENDA POSTING, UH, BECAUSE IF THEY'VE GOTTA COME BACK TO US AT SOME POINT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS FROM ANYONE? YES MA'AM. 
          PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          HI, I'M DELLA ANDRETTI. 
          I LIVE AT 1 28 ABBEYDALE AND I'M JUST A CONSUMER. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN IT. 
          I GO TO THE CENTER ALL THE TIME AND I GO TO ALL OF THE THRIFT STORES. 
          MY FRIENDS COME UP FROM SAN ANTONIO. 
          I'M FROM SAN ANTONIO. 
          MY FRIENDS COME UP FROM SAN ANTONIO SPECIFICALLY TO GO TO THE THRIFT STOPS AND IT'S JUST AN ENTERTAINMENT THING. 
          WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE CLOTHES, WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE THINGS AT THIS AGE, BUT WE'RE STILL OUT THERE. 
          I WANTED TO TELL Y'ALL WHEN WE'RE IN SAN ANTONIO AND WE GO THRIFTING THERE, WE DON'T GO TO GOODWILL. 
          IT'S EXPENSIVE. 
          IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, UH, THE ITEMS AND HERE WE SOMETIMES WE HAVE SOME EXPENSIVE ITEMS, BUT WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO A GOOD CAUSE. 
          IT MAKES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENCE, BUT IT'S NOT EXPENSIVE LIKE GOODWILL IS. 
          IT'S JUST NOT, THE WHOLE MAKEUP OF THE STORE ITSELF ISN'T COMFORTABLE. 
          SOUNDS FUNNY 'CAUSE THE THRIFT STORES ARE CROWDED AND, BUT IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT. 
          UH, OUR THRIFT STORES ARE, WELL, EVERYBODY'S FRIENDLY, NUMBER ONE, BUT YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING AND IT STAYS HERE AND WE'RE JUST SO HAPPY. 
          I HAVE FRIENDS THAT BRING THINGS FROM SAN ANTONIO WHEN THEY COME SO THAT THEY CAN DONATE 'EM BECAUSE WE APPRECIATE THE CAUSES THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING THE WOMEN'S CENTER, ESPECIALLY IN THE, IN, UM, THE CENTER OF COURSE. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE EMOTIONAL SIDE OF IT. 
          IT'S A FUN PLACE TO SHOP. 
          I MEAN, I HAVE SIX SPECIFIC FRIENDS THAT COME UP HERE FOR SHOPPING  STORES,  AND TRULY, WE DON'T DO IT ALL THE TIME. 
          I'M NOT THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT IT IS JUST A FUN ENVIRONMENT AND GOODWILL JUST DOESN'T MEET UP WITH THAT. 
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I HOPE Y'ALL APPRECIATE THE, THE COMMUNITY FEELING OF, UH, OF OUR THRIFT STORES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          WHEN YOU MADE THE TREK UP, I ATTEND THIS EVENING. 
          HAD YOU INTENDED ON SPEAKING BEFORE US TONIGHT? NO. 
          WELL, I'M GLAD YOU DID. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? YES MA'AM. 
          PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AMELIA ANDREWS, UH, 1 0 8 KINGSTON COURT IN BURNEY. 
          I LIVE IN REGENT PARK. 
          UM, SO WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO WHAT WILL BE THE NEW BUCKYS. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT IT WAS APPROVED A LONG, LONG TIME AGO, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE, UM, RESIDENTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND PEOPLE THAT I'VE SEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA HAVE A LOT OF CON NOT CONCERNS, BUT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY THAT'S NOT THERE, ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE FUTURE CONNECTIONS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE FROM, UM, ROAD TO ROAD. 
          AND IF THE PLANNING COMMITTEE OR WHOMEVER CAN BE MORE TRANSPARENT WITH THAT, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY CLEAR UP A LOT OF THE CONFUSION THAT IS GOING ON, AT LEAST BEHIND THE KEYBOARD WARRIORS THAT ARE THERE. 
          UM, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY CLEAR UP A LOT OF THE CONFUSION THAT'S THERE, JUST SO THEY CAN SEE WHEN THIS GOES HERE, THIS IS HOW IT'S GONNA CONNECT TO HERE AND HERE STREETWISE. 
          THESE ARE WHERE ACCESS POINTS ARE GONNA BE, WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND OFF WHERE THEY'RE GETTING ON ACCESS WISE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I KNOW IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, IT'S ALREADY IN THE WORKS, BUT JUST HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, CLARITY ON THAT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE MOST AFFECTED BY THE TRAVEL AND THE TRAFFIC AND THE ACCESS THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, REALLY APPRECIATED, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS POSTPONEMENT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL WHO KNOWS WHEN. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY WHY MY HUSBAND AND I CAME HERE TONIGHT WAS JUST TO KIND OF GET SOME CLARITY. 
          'CAUSE I WAS HOPING WE COULD SEE AN OVERLAY AND THEN BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE FUTURE OF THAT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          WELL THANK YOU BOTH FOR COMING AND, AND THANK THIS COMMISSION HAS PRIDED ITSELF ON THIS TRANSPARENCY, SO WHEN IT COMES BACK, YOU'LL HAVE ALL THOSE, THOSE ANSWERS. 
          UM, ANYONE ELSE? DID YOUR HUSBAND WANNA SPEAK? OH, YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK? THAT'S . 
          . 
          WHOA. 
          HEY, HEY, YOU MADE THE DRIVE. 
          YOU, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, OR YOU CAN SAY I, MY WIFE SPOKE FOR ME. 
          I DO THAT ALL THE TIME. 
          , I, I'LL JUST SAY I COME TO THE PODIUM, IF YOU WILL. 
          WE GOTTA MAKE IT OFFICIAL. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
           JOSH ANDREWS. 
          I'M AT 1 0 8 KINGSTON COURT AS WELL TOO. 
          YOU'VE ALREADY MET MY WIFE. 
          I CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING SHE JUST SAID FOR NOW. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU GET TO 45 YEARS. 
          JUST KEEP SAYING THAT. 
          YEAH, IT, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT TRAFFIC IN AND THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, MAINLY DOWN OUR MAIN STREET. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE BACK AROUND THE BACKSIDE TOWARDS SCENIC LOOP. 
          UM, THE BIG THING, THE BIG THING IS, IS I, IT, I WORK IN SAN ANTONIO AND I COME HOME, SO I HAVE TO MAKE THAT TURNABOUT. 
          UM, AND, AND I'M GONNA HIT THAT TRAFFIC EVERY DAY. 
          SO THE BIG CONCERN IS WHAT DO WE DO THEN AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? UM, AND IT SURELY, UH, MAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NERVOUS, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A STREAK OF CRIME HAPPEN IN REGENT PARK LATELY. 
          WE'VE HAD A CAR STOLEN, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, FOLKS, UH, COME THROUGH, BREAK INTO HOUSES, THAT KIND OF THING A LOT LATELY. 
          AND BERNIE POLICE HAS BEEN GREAT SO FAR, BUT KIND OF MAKES EVERY, PUTS EVERYBODY ON EDGE AND THEY'RE JUST WORRIED ABOUT MORE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MR. ANDREWS. 
          ANYONE ELSE WANNA COME DOWN AND TELL US WHAT YOU THINK? AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE GOODWILL MATTER IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          UH, THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN, WE'LL GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO DO SO THEN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NO ONE ELSE. 
          WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. 
          THE NEXT 
          [4. CONSENT AGENDA: All items listed below within the consent agenda are considered routine by the Planning and Zoning Commission and may be enacted with one motion.  There will be no separate discussion of items unless there is a Commission member or citizen request, in which event the item may be moved to the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.]
TIME ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, WHICH IS JUST THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF JUNE 2ND, 2025. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? COMMISSIONER HOWLER HAS MOVED TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BYRD. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, CAST YOUR VOTE AND WE'LL REVEAL THE RESULTS. 
          MOTION PASSED. 
          SIX IN FAVOR. 
          NONE OPPOSED BECAUSE THE CHAIRMAN DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO VOTE , SO, UM, I WOULD VOTE YES. 
          BY THE WAY, IT'S, I DON'T, DIDN'T REGISTER. 
          I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO VOTE, BUT, UM, IT'S SEVEN SEVEN IN FAVOR? NONE OPPOSED TO THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT. 
          ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO 
          [A. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT (SUP) FOR A THRIFT STORE LOCATED AT 1030 N MAIN ST.]
ITEM FIVE A, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A THRIFT STORE LOCATED AT 1 0 3 OH NORTH MAIN STREET. 
          ALRIGHT, STAFF PRESENTATION FIRST AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT'S ME AGAIN. 
          JOANNE MARIE ANDRADE WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          ITEM FIVE A IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A THRIFT STORE LOCATED AT 10 30 NORTH MAIN STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS LORI JONES REPRESENTING GOODWILL INDUSTRIES AND THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY A SPOTTER REAL ESTATE STATE. 
          THIS PROJECT 
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SUPPORTS THE CITY'S STRATEGY MAP BY ENHANCING QUALITY OF LIFE AND DELIVERING QUALITY CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          IN DOING SO, THE CITY SERVES THE FULL COMMUNITY, INCLUDING RESIDENTS, APPLICANTS AS, AND BUSINESSES THROUGH FAIR AND CONSISTENT LAND USE DECISIONS. 
          IT ALSO, UM, IS MAINTAINS A BALANCE AND DIVERSIFIED ECONOMY. 
          THIS IS THE ARIEL MAP. 
          THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN AN EXISTING MULTIFAMILY MULTI-TENANT COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY A VACANT TENANT SPACE. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATES. 
          THIS AREA IS AUTO ORIENTED COMMERCIAL. 
          A THRIFT STORE USE ALIGNS WITH THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAPS INTENT BY PROVIDING RETAIL AND SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES IN A VEHICLE ORIENTED CORRIDOR. 
          THIS SITE IS ZONED SEAT TWO, WHICH MEANS TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL AND LIES WITHIN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR. 
          OVERLAY DISTRICT SURROUNDING ZONING INCLUDES C TWO C3, UH, RESIDENTIAL R TWO M AND CITY OWNED LAND. 
          THIS IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS MAP, BUT THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS AFFECTING THIS SITE. 
          IT IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN OR DRAINAGE PROTECTION ZONE. 
          THE PROPOSED TENANT SPACE IS APPROXIMATELY 16,570 SQUARE FEET. 
          INTERIOR RENOVATIONS AND UPDATED SIGNAGE PACKAGE ARE PLANNED. 
          UH, ALL LIGHTING WILL COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S DARK SKY ORDINANCE. 
          UH, PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 10:00 AM TO 8:00 PM DAILY. 
          AGAIN, DONATION PROCESSING WILL OCCUR INSIDE. 
          NO OUTDOOR BINS OR ACTIVITIES WILL BE PERMITTED. 
          OUTDOORS ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED VIA FIVE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS, TWO ON NORTH MAIN, ONE ON NORTH SCHOOL, AND TWO ON FABRI STREET. 
          UH, THERE IS, UH, AN ADEQUATE, UH, AMOUNT OF PARKING PROVIDED WITH THE EXISTING, UH, SHOPPING CENTER WITH REGARDS TO ENVIRONMENTAL AND UTILITIES CONSIDERATIONS. 
          THERE IS NO INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVER, RESULTING IN MINIMAL STORMWATER IMPACT. 
          LANDSCAPING IS MAINTAINED BY THE LANDLORD. 
          EXISTING UTILITIES ARE SUFFICIENT TO SERVE THE USE WITH NO NEW EXTENSIONS. 
          PROPOSED STAFF'S ANALYSIS IS BASED ON FIVE CORE CRITERIA, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, COMBAT COMPATIBILITY WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ZONING CONSISTENCY, ACCESS AND PARKING, ADEQUACY, SITE CONSTRAINTS, AND ENVIRONMENTAL AND UTILITIES CONSIDERATIONS. 
          THE PROPOSED USE ALIGNS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COMPLIES WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT AND OVERLAY STANDARDS AND PRESENTS NO IDENTIFIED DESIGN ACCESS OR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS. 
          AS A REMINDER, SPECIAL USE PERMITS ARE EVALUATED BASED ON LAND USE, COMPATIBILITY, ZONING, AND PLANNING CRITERIA, NOT BUSINESS MODELS OR MARKET COMPETITION. 
          THIS ENSURES AN OBJECTIVE, FAIR EVALUATION PROCESS ROOTED IN PLANNING PRINCIPLES. 
          PUBLIC NOTICE WAS PROVIDED THROUGH MAILED LETTERS, NEWSPAPER POSTINGS, AND ONSITE SIGNAGE. 
          UH, THE BERNIE NEIGHBORHOOD DISCUSSION MEETING WAS HELD VIRTUALLY ON JUNE 17TH, 2025. 
          15 PEOPLE ATTENDED, UH, TWO COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION WERE RECEIVED FROM THE 500 FOOT NOTIFICATION RADIUS ALONG WITH ONE COMMENT IN SUPPORT AND ONE COMMENT IN OBJECTION OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA. 
          BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH THE UNI, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND CONSISTENCY WITH, UH, STAFF WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND DETERMINE IF THE REQUEST MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF UDC SECTION TWO DASH FIVE D. 
          UM, SPECIAL USE PERMITS IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE INCLUSION OF THE THREE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          THE PROPOSED USE SHALL CONFORM TO THE NARRATIVE AND FLOOR PLAN DATE STAMP JUNE 23RD, 2025 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UDC. 
          THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHALL EXPIRE WITHIN TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE OF APPROVAL IF NO PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE AND A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY HAS NOT BEEN ISSUED. 
          AND THIRD, NO OUTDOOR STORAGE OR OTHER OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES OF ANY KIND WILL BE PERMITTED ON SITE. 
          THIS INCLUDES BINS FOR DONATIONS OR STORAGE OF DONATED ITEMS AND CONGREGATING BEFORE, AFTER, OR DURING BUSINESS HOURS. 
          THESE ARE TWO MOTIONS FOR UM, CONSIDERATION, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          THE PROPERTY OWNER AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT, ARE HERE TO PROVIDE A SUPPLEMENTAL PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU MS. AND, AND WHILE THEY'RE COMING FORWARD, UM, EARLIER MS. ALBAN HAD NOTED THE ISSUE 
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OF TRANSPARENCY AND JUST SO ALL OF YOU'RE HERE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS HERE THIS EVENING. 
          WE NORMALLY DON'T HAVE QUITE THIS LARGE IN ATTENDANCE, BUT SHE NOTED MS. ANDRADE JUST NOTED THAT NOTICES WERE SENT OUT TO FOLKS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THIS PROPOSED LOCATION. 
          STATE LAW ONLY REQUIRES 200 FEET, BUT SOME TIME AGO THIS COMMISSION DECIDED THAT WASN'T ENOUGH NOTIFICATION. 
          WE WANTED FOLKS WITHIN 500 FEET BEING NOTIFIED BECAUSE THAT WAS CLOSE ENOUGH, WE DEEMED TO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          JUST AS A SIDE NOTE. 
          ALRIGHT, YOU'RE UP, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME'S MICHAEL JERSON. 
          I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SPOT OF REAL ESTATE. 
          UM, WE ARE THE GROUP THAT, UH, PURCHASED THE LIVE OAK SHOPPING CENTER IN DECEMBER OF 2024. 
          UM, I AM ONE OF THREE PARTNERS, THREE, THREE GENERAL PARTNERS ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, EITHER ONE OF US IS A RESIDENT, ONE OF US HAS A, UH, SPOUSE THAT WORKS IN IN BERNIE, AND WE'VE ALL DONE BUSINESS IN IN BERNIE FOR SOME TIME. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE. 
          UM, WANTED TO, UH, JUST SHOW THE, THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS SEVERAL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE EITHER IN SOUTH TEXAS OR ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          MANY OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE A SIMILARITY TO THE LIVE OAK SHOPPING CENTER, WHETHER IT BE SIMILAR TENANTS, UM, UH, SIMILAR PROJECTS THAT WERE  35% OCCUPIED. 
          UM, WE, WE TOOK OUR CRAFT IN OUR EXPERTISE AND INTENDED IT TO THE SHOPPING CENTERS. 
          WE PUT IN A LOT OF DOLLARS TO RETROFIT THESE SHOPPING CENTERS AND WE CREATED A LOT OF VALUE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE DONE. 
          WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE LIVE OAK, UH, SHOPPING CENTER. 
          UM, WANTED TO MENTION SEVERAL OF THE ITEMS THAT WE PLAN ON DOING TO THE PROJECT. 
          WHAT IS KEY IS LEASING UP OUR PROJECT WITH VERY QUALITY TENANTS. 
          WE'RE WE DO THIS, WE STAND BEHIND THE TENANTS THAT WE LEASE TO. 
          UM, THIS, WE ARE IN THIS FOR A MARATHON. 
          THIS IS NOT A SPRINT FOR US. 
          AND SO WHEN WE THINK OF LEASE UP, WE THINK OF HOW TENANTS, UH, WORK TOGETHER, UM, TO CREATE COMMERCE FOR ALL OF THE, THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          UM, SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IN THE, IN THE, UH, SHOPPING CENTER INCLUDE, UM, LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, REALLY A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AND A LOT OF CLEANUP. 
          UM, THE, THE PROJECTS SAT DORMANT FOR YEARS. 
          UM, AND LIKE I SAID, NOT ONLY THE, THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, UH, AND THE DEFERRED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT NEEDS, BUT JUST MAINTAINING THE PROJECT. 
          UM, WE PLAN ON DOING, UH, PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS, UH, BOTH ON THE, UH, CUSTOMER PARKING AREA WITHIN THE CUSTOMER PARKING AREA. 
          BUT, BUT AS IMPORTANT IN THE REAR OF THE CENTER, UH, THERE'S A LOADING AREA THAT WE ARE GONNA COMPLETELY REPLACE. 
          IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT JUST IS, IS IT'S DOESN'T WORK AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, WE PLAN ON, UH, UH, REPLACING A LOT OF THE ROTTED MATERIALS, PAINTING THE PROJECT, UM, AND, UM, AND, AND SO I JUST WANNA STRESS THE NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO LEASE UP THIS PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN COMPLETE, UH, THE PROJECT THAT WE INTEND ON DOING WITH THIS, UH, WITH THE LIVE OAK SHOPPING CENTER. 
          WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DAVE PETERSON WITH GOODWILL. 
          THANK YOU, MICHAEL. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M DAVE PETERSON. 
          I'M CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF GOODWILL INDUSTRIES. 
          I DO WANNA SAY IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE SCOUTS OUT TONIGHT WORKING ON THEIR CITIZENSHIP MERIT BADGES, IMPORTANT STUFF FOR OUR AMERICA. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENT ABOUT OUR PROPOSED OPERATION AS OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS GO OUT TO ALL WHO ARE SUFFERING OUR CEO CARLOS GUERA AND I JUST CAME FROM OUR CURVILLE STORE WHERE THE TEAM AND COMMUNITY ARE SHOWING INCREDIBLE STRENGTH IN AN UNIMAGINABLE TIME. 
          WE'RE EXCITED IF I HAD A SPOT. 
          I REACH OUT TO US TO JOIN THE REVITALIZATION OF THE LIVE OAK SHOPPING CENTER. 
          THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PARTICIPATE IN THE REPURPOSE AND IMPROVEMENT OF AN AREA IN NEED. 
          I'D LIKE TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO DISCUSS GOODWILL AND OUR PROPOSED AIMS AND PLANS FOR JOINING THE BERNIE COMMUNITY. 
          FIRST AND FOREMOST IS GOODWILL IS A 5 0 1 C3 NONPROFIT. 
          WE HAVE BEEN IN SOUTHWEST TEXAS FOR 80 YEARS. 
          FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN A GOODWILL, CAN WE GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE OR AM I DRIVING? OKAY, I GOT IT. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN A GOODWILL IN A FEW YEARS, THE STORE LOCATIONS SHOWN HERE PROVIDE A LOOK AT OUR TYPICAL INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL APPEARANCES. 
          THIS SLIDE WAS PUT TOGETHER SEVERAL WEEKS AGO WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE CURVILLE STORE. 
          MEANT 
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TO SHOW A STORE WITH A SIMILAR LAYOUT TO WHAT WE PROPOSE IN BERNIE, PARTICULARLY A FRONT DONATION DOOR AS THE SPOTTER REFRESHES THE EXTERIOR OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, CONSCIOUS OF ITS LOCATION IN AN ENTRY CORRIDOR, MAINTAINING THE HILL COUNTRY CHARM AND APPEARANCE. 
          AS YOU'VE JUST HEARD, WE WILL MAKE NO EXTERNAL ALTERATIONS OTHER THAN CODE COMPLIANT SIGNAGE, WHICH WAS SHOWN A FEW MINUTES AGO. 
          WE AND OUR TEAMS TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN KEEPING A NEAT AND ORDERLY APPEARANCE BOTH INSIDE AND OUT OF ALL OF OUR LOCATIONS. 
          THIS SLIDE DEPICTS OUR HISTORY FROM WHEN GOODWILL WAS FOUNDED IN BOSTON BY METHODIST MINISTER REVEREND EDGAR J HELMS. IN 1902, REVEREND HELMS WANTED TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE STRUGGLING TO FEED AND CLOTHE THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES. 
          HE COLLECTED DONATIONS AND DISTRIBUTED THEM, BUT THAT ONLY CHANGED THEIR SITUATION BRIEFLY, SO HE SOUGHT TO MAKE LONG-TERM CHANGE HAPPEN. 
          IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, HE HIRED INDIVIDUALS TO COLLECT THE GOODS, REPAIR THE GOODS, AND THEN SELL THE GOODS GENERATING INCOME FOR THE PEOPLE. 
          HE EMPLOYED. 
          THE CONCEPT OF A HAND UP RATHER THAN A HANDOUT WAS BORN. 
          THE FIRST GOODWILL IN TEXAS WAS ESTABLISHED IN DALLAS IN 1923. 
          EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT EFFORTS WERE MADE TO START A GOODWILL IN SAN ANTONIO IN THE 1930S, BUT IT DIDN'T STICK. 
          IN 1945, NOTABLE BUSINESS LEADERS INCLUDING J GS REIS, OI SCHNABEL, AND BILL SINKIN AND OTHERS, CAME TOGETHER TO DEVELOP A PLAN TO EMPLOY SOLDIERS RETURNING FROM THE WAR WITH DISABILITIES. 
          THE FIRST STORE OPENED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO IN 1946. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, WITH 18 OF THE INITIAL 22 EMPLOYEES BEING PURPLE HEART RECIPIENTS, GOODWILL HAS REMAINED COMMITTED TO MILITARY VETERANS AND THOSE WITH DI DISABILITIES THROUGHOUT TODAY. 
          GOODWILL INDUSTRIES IS A FEDERATED MODEL. 
          THE GOODWILL INDUSTRIES INTERNATIONAL CONTROLS THE BRAND AND OTHER STANDARDS ACROSS THE US AND CANADA. 
          THERE ARE 152 DISTINCT AND INDEPENDENT GOODWILL ENTITIES, EACH WITH THEIR OWN BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT THE CEO IS RESPONSIBLE TO. 
          OUR TERRITORY IS DISPLAYED HERE. 
          THERE ARE 15 GOODWILL ORGANIZATIONS IN TEXAS. 
          WE MEET TO COLLABORATE AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER WITH THE MOST RECENT CASE IN POINT BEING MULTIPLE OTHER GOODWILLS OFFERING TO SEND TRUCKLOADS OF DONATIONS FOR RELIEF OPERATIONS. 
          OUR GOODWILL NAMED GOODWILL INDUSTRIES OF SAN ANTONIO, WHICH COULD MORE APPROPRIATELY BE NAMED GOODWILL OF GREATER SAN ANTONIO AND SOUTHWEST TEXAS IS SHOWN. 
          THE SLIDE DEPICTS THE SCOPE OF OUR OPERATIONS. 
          WELL. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE NAMES OF OUR LOCATIONS WHERE WE PROVIDE SERVICES OTHER THAN SAN ANTONIO. 
          ALONG THE BOTTOM, OUR BOARD HAS DIRECTED US TO EXPAND SERVICES INTO MORE COUNTIES EACH YEAR. 
          OUR 24 STORES RESEMBLE WHAT WAS DEPICTED ON OUR FIRST SLIDE. 
          OUR TWO OUTLETS ARE WHERE WE SELL ITEMS THAT DIDN'T SELL IN STORES AND OUR OUTLETS. 
          WE SELL THESE ITEMS BY THE POUND AND SOMETIMES IN BULK. 
          OUR OUTLET SELLS MORE THAN 1.5 TONS A DAY, AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF OUR MANY EFFORTS TO REUSE, RECYCLE, OR REPURPOSE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WASTE SENT TO LANDFILLS. 
          WE ARE CONSTANTLY EXPLORING RECYCLING OPERATIONS AND WOULD BE GLAD TO WORK WITH THRIFT STORES OR OTHERS IN VERNE TO SUPPORT THEIR EFFORTS IN THIS SPACE, WE HAVE ENTITIES THAT WILL TAKE OUR TEXTILES, CARDBOARD, METALS, BATTERIES, ELECTRONICS, AND WE ARE EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES TO RECYCLE GLASS, PLASTIC, AND WOOD. 
          OUR 15 GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS EMPLOY THE MAJORITY OF OUR CONTRACT TEAM MEMBERS, PRIMARILY IN CONTRACTS SUPPORTING THE UNITED STATES ARMY AND AIR FORCE, WHERE WE EMPLOY MANY VETERANS. 
          WE'LL DISCUSS THE ACADEMY AND CAREER SERVICES ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          THE GOODWILL MISSION, AS YOU HEARD EARLIER, IS CHANGING LIVES THROUGH THE POWER OF WORK. 
          IT BEGAN WITH REVEREND HELMS AND IT CONTINUES TODAY. 
          A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF ALL THE WORK DISPLAYED ON THIS PAGE IS THE TRAINING IS NOT ENOUGH. 
          JOB PLACEMENT IS THE REAL NEED. 
          OUR AVERAGE PLACEMENT PAY GOAL IS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE INDIVIDUAL WALKED IN OFF THE STREET, NEEDING HELP FINDING WORK AT ONE OF OUR CAREER CENTERS, OR IF THEY GRADUATED FROM ONE OF OUR TRAININGS AT OUR ACADEMY, WE SEEK TO EXCEED $15 AND 5 CENTS AN HOUR, WHICH IS 200% OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL ON EVERY PLACEMENT. 
          ONE WAY WE EXECUTE OUR MISSION IS THROUGH THOSE SIX CAREER CENTERS WHERE WE PROVIDE INDIVIDUALS WITH CAREER SEARCH OPPORTUNITIES AND SUPPORT FROM SKILLS ASSESSMENT AND JOB READINESS SUPPORT, WHICH INCLUDES RESUME WRITING, MOCK INTERVIEWS, AND JOB SEARCH. 
          THESE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS IN OUR REGION TO INCLUDE LAREDO. 
          OUR TEAM STAYS ENGAGED WITH THE INDIVIDUAL UNTIL THEY'RE PLACED OR THEY WISH TO NO LONGER PARTICIPATE. 
          OUR CAREER ACADEMY SEES NEARLY 300 INDIVIDUALS PARTICIPATE ANNUALLY, WHO ARE PLACED IN GOOD JOBS THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. 
          OUR ACADEMY PROVIDES INDUSTRY RECOGNIZED CERTIFICATIONS FOR MEDICAL ASSISTANCE, NURSES, AIDES, AND PHARMACY TECHS. 
          WE ALSO CERTIFY COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S, LICENSE FORKLIFT OPERATORS, ENTRY-LEVEL CONSTRUCTION, MANUFACTURING AND LOGISTICS AND WAREHOUSING. 
          OUR NEWEST PROGRAM IS OUR THREE WEEK MANUFACTURING BOOTCAMP DEVELOPED ALONGSIDE EMPLOYERS WITH THEIR REQUIREMENTS DRIVING THE CURRICULUM. 
          WE ARE IN OUR FOURTH COHORT OF 10, AND AS AN EXAMPLE OF OUR COLLABORATION WITH OTHERS IN THE PROGRAM'S, FIRST TWO 
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COHORTS, TWO MEMBERS EACH WERE RESIDENTS OF THE SALVATION ARMIES HOMELESS SHELTER. 
          OUR DIGITAL LITERACY PROGRAMS ARE HOSTED IN THREE LOCATIONS AND ARE EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL IN HELPING INDIVIDUALS WITH LIMITED DIGITAL SKILLS BECOME MORE CAPABLE THROUGH A SERIES OF PROGRAMS. NEXT LEVEL IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS TO SERVE OPPORTUNITY YOUTH, THOSE AGED 16 TO 24 THAT ARE NOT IN SCHOOL AND NOT WORKING. 
          WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH BERNIE, ISD LEADERSHIP AND OTHER COMMUNITY LEADERS TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE NEEDS THAT OUR PROGRAMS COULD FILL OR THAT WE COULD DEVELOP, AND WE WILL CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 
          ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS ARE FREE TO THE PARTICIPANT AND INCLUDE SUCCESS COACHES FOCUSED ON NOT ALLOWING BARRIERS TO DERAIL COMPLETION AND PLACEMENT COACHES THAT WORK TO GET GRADUATES PLACED IN THEIR FIELD OF STUDY. 
          THESE PROGRAMS HAVE VARIOUS FUNDING STREAMS, BUT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION IS PAID FOR FROM THE NET REVENUE OF OUR STORE OPERATIONS. 
          IN 2024, OUR CAREER CENTERS PLACED 762 INDIVIDUALS INTO JOBS. 
          331 INDIVIDUALS PARTICIPATED IN OUR DIGITAL LITERACY PROGRAM, AND OF THOSE 212 COMPLETED THE COURSE. 
          OUR FEDERAL CONTRACTS ARE PERFORMED FOR THE ARMY AND THE AIR FORCE UNDER THE ABILITY ONE PROGRAM, WHICH PROVIDES A VEHICLE FOR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT EMPLOY OVER 75% OF THEIR WORKFORCE WITH A RECOGNIZED DISABILITY TO COMPETE FOR THESE CONTRACTS. 
          CURRENTLY, ABOUT 89% OF OUR FEDERAL CONTRACT WORKFORCE HAS A DISABILITY. 
          EXAMPLES OF OUR FEDERAL CONTRACTS INCLUDE RUNNING THE AIR FORCE PERSONNEL CENTER, CALL CENTER AWARDS AND RECOGNITIONS PROCESSING, DD TWO FOURTEENS AND OTHER RECORDS MANAGEMENT FOR THE PERSONNEL CENTER. 
          WE ALSO DO GROUNDS KEEPING FOR FORT SAM AND LACKLAND RANGE MAINTENANCE AT CAMP BULLIS WITH LICENSED ARBORISTS AND IRRIGATION SPECIALISTS ON OUR TEAMS, AND WE DO CONDUCT 80,000 HVAC FILTER REPLACEMENTS ANNUALLY AT FORT SAM. 
          TWO OF OUR LARGEST EFFORTS ARE MEDICAL RECORD DIGITIZATION FOR THE AIR FORCE AND ARMY MEMBERS THAT DEPART SERVICE. 
          WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 300 PEOPLE ON THOSE CONTRACTS. 
          WE COMPLETE ALL OF THESE WITH EXTREMELY HIGH QUALITY REQUIREMENTS WHILE EMPLOYING MANY DISABLED VETERANS AS WELL. 
          OUR FEDERAL NON, OUR NON-FEDERAL CONTRACTS INCLUDE GROUND KEEPING AND LANDSCAPING AT THE FROST BANK CENTER, NORTHSIDE INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, INCLUDING HERBICIDE AND PEST CONTROL, SAN ANTONIO STATE HOSPITAL AND VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          WE PROVIDE LICENSED ARBORS AND TREE CARE FOR TDOT AND UNIVERSITY HEALTH AND GROUNDS MAINTENANCE AND LANDSCAPING FOR SEVERAL NONPROFITS TO INCLUDE MEALS ON WHEELS, AUTISM COMMUNITY NETWORK, CHILDREN'S BEREAVEMENT CENTER, AND CHRISTIAN ASSISTANCE MINISTRIES. 
          WE ALSO RUN CALL CENTERS FOR SEVERAL ENTITIES, INCLUDING THE ALAMO COLLEGES DISTRICT AND PERFORM HVAC FILTER MAINTENANCE FOR SAN ANTONIO ISD. 
          WE HAVE ALSO SHARED OUR WILLINGNESS TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT AND BERNIE, AND WE COULD CONTINUE TO SEE IF THERE ARE NEEDS WE COULD MEET. 
          WE COULD HIRE LOCALLY PROVIDING BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE INDIVIDUALS ON OUR TEAM. 
          WE PAY GREATER THAN THAT 200% OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL. 
          WE PROVIDE 4 0 3 B OPPORTUNITY, FULL HEALTH INSURANCE, AND WE PROVIDE LIFE SKILLS COACHES TO SUPPORT EMPLOYEES EMOTIONAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. 
          DONATE GOOD TO RETAIL OR DGR AS WE CALL IT, IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK OF WHEN THEY HEAR GOODWILL, PARTICULARLY IF THEY HAVEN'T COME IN CONTACT WITH OUR OTHER PROGRAMS THAT I JUST COVERED. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO BRING TO BERNIE AT THIS TIME. 
          OUR GOALS IN OUR STORES IS TO RECRUIT, HIRE, TRAIN, AND DEVELOP OUR EMPLOYEES AND PAY THEM AT OR ABOVE 200% OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL. 
          PREVIOUSLY SAID $15 AND 5 CENTS AN HOUR. 
          WE HAVE A DIVERSE WORKFORCE, BUT WE PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO HIRE INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY NOT HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, AND WE ALWAYS LOOK TO HIRE LOCALLY. 
          I WILL GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROPOSED BERNIE STORE ON THE NEXT SLIDES, BUT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS ABOUT OUR PROCESSES. 
          ALL OF OUR RETAIL STORES TAKE DONATIONS, SOME IN THE BACK, SOME IN THE SIDE, AND SOME LIKE IN THIS CASE, IN THE FRONT OF THE STORE IN EVERY CASE. 
          WE WORK DILIGENTLY THROUGH A VARIETY OF MEANS TO LIMIT OFF HOURS DONATIONS, WHICH I'LL DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL. 
          WE HAVE EIGHT ATTENDED DONATION CENTERS WHERE WE ONLY TAKE DONATIONS. 
          THE NEWEST ONE JUST DOWN THE ROAD ON I 10 IN LEON SPRINGS, AND I BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED A LETTER WITH YOUR PACKET FROM OUR LANDLORD THERE. 
          BILL ELLIS, WHO LIVES HERE LOCALLY. 
          ALL DONATIONS ARE SOLD WHETHER THEY'RE DONATED TO THE MAX EXTENT POSSIBLE. 
          THE EXCEPTIONS ARE CLOTHING WHICH WE CENTRALLY PROCESS AND REDISTRIBUTE FROM OUR OPERATION CENTER. 
          AND ITEMS BETTER SUITED FOR SALE ON AN E-COMMERCE PLATFORM. 
          WE PROVIDE LICENSE PROFESSIONAL COUNSELORS IN ADDITION TO FULL HEALTH BENEFITS, BENEFITS, AND 4 0 3 B PLANS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          THE MAJORITY OF OUR STORE EMPLOYEES ARE HIRED LOCALLY WHERE WE FIND GREATER SATISFACTION WHEN EMPLOYEES LIVE NEAR WHERE THEY WORK. 
          IF OUR USE IS APPROVED, WE WILL OPERATE OUR STORE IN BERNIE. 
          IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED TENANTS, DONATIONS WILL BE TAKEN INSIDE THE FRONT OF THE STORE AT 
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A DEDICATED SPACE WITH ITS OWN ACCESS DOOR. 
          THERE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NO EXTERNAL DONATIONS. 
          THE STORE WILL CR WILL CREATE OVER 20 FULL-TIME JOBS WITH LICENSED PROFESSIONAL COUNSELOR, ACCESS THE FULL HEALTH BENEFITS, THE 4 0 3 B, AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADVANCEMENT AND PLACEMENT WITHIN GOODWILL AND WITHOUT. 
          WE WILL BE PAYING OUR SHARE OF THE CENTER'S PROPERTY TAXES AND WE'LL PAY SALES TAX BASED ON OUR TRANSACTIONS WITH ANY THRIFT OPERATION. 
          AS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THAT TAKES DONATIONS OFF HOUR. 
          DONATIONS ARE A CONCERN WITH OUR SEVEN DAY A WEEK FULL DAY OPERATIONS. 
          WE PROVIDE A, WE PROVIDE A LARGE WINDOW OF TIME FOR OUR DONORS DONATION. 
          ATTENDANCE WILL GREET DONORS AT THEIR VEHICLES AS YOU CAN SEE IN THESE PICTURES, AND IMMEDIATELY TAKE DONATIONS INSIDE FOR PROCESSING. 
          THERE WILL BE NO DONATIONS LEFT IN FRONT OF THE STORE. 
          ALL OF OUR DELIVERIES WILL OCCUR DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS AT THE REAR OF THE STORE. 
          AS MICHAEL JUST SAID, THE CONCRETE FENCED IN LOADING DOCKS, WE WILL HAVE SIGNAGE AND SECURITY CAMERAS FROM THE START TO DETER WOULD BE OFF HOUR DONATIONS. 
          IF THIS IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO DE DETER THESE DONATIONS, WE WILL EXPAND OUR ATTENDED DONATION HOURS BASED ON OBSERVED DONATION PATTERNS FROM OUR CAMERA REVIEWS. 
          WE WILL CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS AS NEEDED TO INCLUDE INTERNAL DONATIONS VIA AN ACCESS POINT. 
          IF ALL OF THIS IS NOT ENOUGH AND OFF HOUR DONATIONS CONTINUE TO BE A PROBLEM, WE ARE PREPARED TO HAVE A PRESENCE AT THE STORE TO PREVENT THOSE DONATIONS. 
          THIS FLOOR PLAN WILL PROVIDE A SENSE OF HOW WE WILL OPERATE THE STORE. 
          THE PROCESS BEGINS WITH DONATIONS AT OUR INTERNAL RECEIVING POINT IN THE LOWER LEFT OF THE DEPICTION, WHICH IS THE FRONT LEFT OF THE STORE WHEN FACING IT FROM THE PARKING LOT. 
          THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT OR THE FRONT, RIGHT BOTTOM, RIGHT IN THE DEPICTION. 
          ONCE THE DONATIONS ARE RECEIVED, THEY'RE SEPARATED BY CATEGORY AND MOVED IN THE PROCESSING AREA DEPICTED IN THE TOP LEFT OF THIS PICTURE TO THE APPROPRIATE STATION AT THE APPROPRIATE STATION. 
          ELECTRICAL BOOKS, WEARS SHOES, ET CETERA. 
          THE ITEMS ARE GRADED FOR SALEABILITY IE, NOT SOILED, RIPPED, TORN, BROKEN. 
          THEY'RE SORTED AND PRICED AND LOADED FOR MOVEMENT TO THE SALES FLOOR DEPICTED WITH A ROUGH LAYOUT OF RACKS AND SHELVES IN THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE PICTURE, WHICH IS THE FRONT HALF OF THE STORE IN THE APPROPRIATE BINNER RACK. 
          CLOTHING IS BUNDLED INTO BINS AND LOADED ONTO A TRAILER FOR TRANSPORT TO THE CENTRAL PROCESSING OP OPERATION. 
          CLOTHING IS RETURNED TO THE CP AND BINS GRADED, SORTED AND PRICED, AND THEN HUNG ON THE RACKS IN THE PROCESSING AREA FOR MOVEMENT TO THE SALES FLOOR. 
          WE ARE FOCUSED ON GETTING ITEMS OUT ON THE SHELVES QUICKLY AND EFFECTIVELY. 
          ITEMS ARE ON THE SALES FLOOR FOR FOUR WEEKS. 
          EACH WEEK IS TAGGED BY COLOR, SO WE KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE REACHED THE THREE WEEK POINT WHERE WE DISCOUNT THEM BY 50% FOR THE LAST WEEK, AND AT THE END OF THE FOURTH WEEK, THEY'RE PULLED AND SENT TO THE WAREHOUSE AND OUTLET FOR ITEMS NOT SOLD OR THAT DO NOT PASS THE INITIAL GRADING. 
          WE SEND TO SALVAGE WHAT WE CAN TO DO OUR BEST TO AVOID THROWING THINGS AWAY. 
          I MENTIONED THE OUTLETS EARLIER WHERE WE SELL ITEMS BY THE POUND THAT DID NOT SELL IN THE STORE AFTER THE OUTLET. 
          WE HAVE VENDORS THAT BUY CARDBOARD, TEXTILES, METALS, ITEMS WITH BATTERIES AND ELECTRONIC WASTE. 
          WE ARE EXPLORING EXCITING OPPORTUNITIES FOR GLASS AND PLASTIC FOR THE ITEMS WE CANNOT SELL OR SALVAGE. 
          WE WILL HAVE A TRASH PRE CRUSHER INSIDE THE FENCED AREA AT THE BACK OF THE STORE AND WILL WILL EMPLOY TRASH SERVICES AND WASTE MANAGEMENT OF BERNIE. 
          WE'LL USE TWO OF THE LOADING DOCK SPACES, ONE WITH THE TRAILER BEING LOADED OR UNLOADED, AND THE OTHER WITH ROOM FOR THE NEW TRAILER TO ARRIVE. 
          IT IS TO BE THE CONCRETE, FULLY FENCED IN DOCK THAT MICHAEL DESCRIBED AND WILL BE KEPT CLEAN FROM TRASH AND DEBRIS. 
          WE WILL USE CERTIFIED RIDER TRUCK DRIVERS AND TAKE DELIVERIES ONLY DURING OPERATING HOURS. 
          THE SALES FLOOR WILL GENERALLY HAVE ABOUT 60% CLOTHING WITH ALL OTHER ITEMS ON RACKS OR SHELVES AROUND THE SIDES, AND IN THE BACK. 
          THE LARGE SQUARE IN THE BACK LEFT OF THE SALES FLOOR IS FOR OVERSIZED WEARS AND FURNITURE, WHICH WE TRY TO MOVE QUICKLY AS THEY TAKE UP A GOOD AMOUNT OF SPACE ON THE FLOOR IN THE PROCESSING AREA. 
          AT THE BOTTOM LEFT, UH, IS OUR LIFE SKILLS COUNSELOR'S OFFICE. 
          AS A NONPROFIT, WE VALUE SUPPORTING AND WORKING TOGETHER WITH OTHER NONPROFITS AND CONTRIBUTING TO OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SEVERAL NONPROFITS IN BERNIE THAT HAVE THRIFT STORES, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN COLLABORATE. 
          IN FACT, I WAS HIRED TO FOCUS ON OUR PARTNERSHIPS. 
          AS MY ROLE HAS EXPANDED, WE HAVE HIRED A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP MANAGER TO WORK ON JUST THESE RELATIONSHIPS. 
          ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES WE HAVE BEEN OR WILL BE A PART OF IN BERNIE, BUT WE HAVE ALSO DONATED TO THE GIRL SCOUTS, SCOUTS OF SOUTHWEST TEXAS, TEXAS, A DESPERATELY NEEDED REFRIGERATOR AND WASHER DRYER. 
          DONATED GYM MATS TO OUR NEW BRAUNFELS STORE WAS DONATED BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY TO A LOCAL SMALL MARTIAL ARTS BUSINESS IN NEW BRAUNFELS. 
          WE'VE PARTNERED WITH THE SAN ANTONIO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT BOOK BUDDIES DONATING CHILDREN'S BOOKS. 
          WE'VE PARTNERED WITH THE ROY MOSS YOUTH ALTERNATIVES OF SAN ANTONIO FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS. 
          OUR NEXT LEVEL PROGRAM REFERS YOUTH TO THEM FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, 
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AND THEY REFER THEIR TEMPORARY HOUSED YOUTH TO US FOR REENTRY INTO EDUCATION, JOB PLACEMENT, AND CAREER SERVICES. 
          SAN ANTONIO DISTRICT ONE COUNCILWOMAN REACHED OUT TO US ABOUT A HOMELESS HOTEL THAT HAD BURNED AND THE RESIDENTS WERE WITHOUT ANYTHING. 
          WE IMMEDIATELY PROVIDED GIFT CARDS TO ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTS TO GET THEM BACK ON THEIR FEET. 
          HAVEN FOR HOPE HAS REACHED OUT TO US ANNUALLY FOR THEIR ANNUAL COAT DRIVE, WHICH WE HAVE SUPPORTED. 
          WE HAVE PROVIDED SHOES TO PARK VILLAGE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS FOR PARTICIPATION IN GYM CLASS AND OUR LOCATIONS. 
          PEOPLE OFTEN BRING FOOD AND BEVERAGES ALONG WITH THEIR DONATIONS. 
          WE HAVE BINS TO COLLECT THOSE ITEMS, WHICH WE GIVE TO THE LOCAL FOOD BANK. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH AGNES AND WE WILL BE GIVING ANY DONATIONS THERE, UH, AT THE STORE IN BERNIE AND KERRVILLE TO THE HILL COUNTRY DAILY BREAD IN BERNIE. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO PARTNERING WITH OTHERS IN BERNIE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE NEEDS YET. 
          WE STRIVE TO BE A GAP FILLER AND NOT DISPLACE OTHER NON-PROFITS IN ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS. 
          THIS PAST WEEKEND, THE TRAGEDY HIT OUR TEAM. 
          FOUR OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS WERE DISPLACED. 
          SEVERAL LOST FAMILY MEMBERS IN KERRVILLE. 
          THE AMERICAN RED CROSS REACHED OUT TO US. 
          WE WERE CLOSED FRIDAY AND SATURDAY TO ALLOW OUR TEAMS TO REGROUP AND GET THEIR STUFF IN ORDER. 
          SUNDAYS WE'RE USUALLY NOT OPEN IN CURVILLE, BUT WE REOPENED ON SUNDAY AT THE REQUEST FROM THE AMERICAN RED CROSS. 
          THEY ASKED US BECAUSE THEY WERE OVERWHELMED WITH DONATIONS TO BE THEIR PARTNER FOR DONATIONS AND DISTRIBUTION. 
          WE SAID YES WITHOUT CHECKING WITH OUR TEAM. 
          OUR TEAM RESPONDED BY FILLING THE STORE AND OUR LOT WITH VOLUNTEERS FROM ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS TO HELP OUT AS BEST THEY COULD. 
          THEY'RE THERE TODAY. 
          THE FIRST TRAILER IS JUST ABOUT FULL. 
          WE'LL KEEP THAT IN STORAGE FOR WHEN THE, WHEN THE NEED ARISES, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND ANYONE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DISASTER IN KERRVILLE THAT WALKS THROUGH THE DOOR IS ASKED, WERE YOU AFFECTED BY THE FLOODS? IF THEY SAY YES, THEY PAY NOTHING. 
          IF THEY SAY THEY'RE A FIRST RESPONDER OR A SEARCH TEAM MEMBER, THEY PAY NOTHING. 
          WE SAW SOME FIRST, WE SAW SOME OF THE SEARCH TEAM MEMBERS TODAY WHEN WE WERE UP THERE, AND THEY WERE VERY THANKFUL TO GET CLEAN SHOES AND CLEAN PANTS AND CLEAN SHIRTS TO GET BACK OUT AND DO THE GREAT JOB THAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          WE GLADLY AGREED TO USE CURVILLE AS THEIR HUB. 
          WE ARE PARTNERING WITH HILL COUNTRY DAILY BREAD FOR FOOD AND HYGIENE ITEM, DISTRI HYGIENE ITEM DISTRIBUTION, AND HAVE CALLED FOR THE FIRST PICKUP FROM THE KERRVILLE LOCATION FOR THEM. 
          I'LL TURN THE FLOOR BACK OVER TO MICHAEL TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE CENTER. 
          THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR AID AND SUPPORT OF THE KERRVILLE COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANKS, DAVID. 
          OKAY, UM, WANTED TO, UH, FINISH OUR PRESENTATION WITH JUST NOTING A FEW OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE, UH, TALKED TO GOODWILL ABOUT. 
          AND, UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UM, SIGNAGE. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, THERE ARE TWO SIGNS ON THE BUILDINGS. 
          THOSE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN REMOVED. 
          UM, WE'VE APPROVED, UH, THREE LOCATIONS, UH, FOR SIGNAGE. 
          UM, YOU'LL NOTE, ACTUALLY FOUR. 
          YOU'LL NOTE THE, UH, THE TWO ON THE LEFT, THAT, THAT DEAL WITH THE DONATIONS. 
          UH, CLEARLY DENOTING WHERE DONATIONS ARE TO BE TAKEN, UH, AND CLEARLY DENOTING. 
          UM, THAT THAT IS, UH, AGAIN, TO BE DONATED INSIDE THE PREMISE. 
          UH, THE SECOND SIGN SIGN A ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS, UH, THEIR STOREFRONT SIGN. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UM, THE POSITION ON THE PYLON SIGN, UH, THAT, UH, UH, DENOTES, UH, GOODWILL WITHIN OUR SHOPPING CENTER. 
          WE ARE, UH, OBVIOUSLY GONNA WORK WITH THE CITY, UH, AND WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS AS IT RELATES TO, UH, CODE ANALYSIS AND COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, THE, UH, ALL EXTERIOR LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT. 
          UM, THAT'S ON US. 
          UM, GOODWILL IS DOING, UH, NO EXTERIOR LIGHTING, UH, IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UM, WE DO PLAN ON IMPROVING THE LIGHTING SYSTEM. 
          IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY ANTIQUATED AND, AND NEEDS ATTENTION. 
          UM, THE RESTROOMS WITHIN IT, WITHIN, UH, THEIR PREMISE WILL BE OBVIOUSLY A DA AND TESTS, UH, COMPLIANT. 
          UM, WE ARE CONSTRUCTING A NEW TRASH ENCLOSURE IN THE BACK. 
          UH, IT WILL, UH, UH, MATCH AND, AND, UH, UH, WITH THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER STRUCTURE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, WE ARE CONTINUING TO NOT ONLY, UM, ASSIST GOODWILL WITH THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, BUT WE ARE, UH, IN THE CITY FOR PERMITS AS WELL IN SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, THEIR SIGNAGE WILL COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S, UH, SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, AND WE'VE, UH, ALREADY CHECKED WITH STAFF ON, ON THE COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, I WANNA CLOSE WITH THIS. 
          UM, WE ARE VERY PROUD, UH, TO POTENTIALLY HAVE GOODWILL AS A TENANT IN OUR SHOPPING CENTER. 
          THEY ARE CONSIDERED A QUALITY 
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RETAILER WITHIN OUR INDUSTRY. 
          UM, THEY'RE UNIQUE. 
          UM, NOT ONLY ARE THEY A QUALITY RETAILER, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE A MISSION AND WE DO A LOT OF BUSINESS WITH A LOT OF TENANTS, UM, AND IN GOODWILL'S UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT THEY, UH, GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND, AND THAT IS REALLY ATTRACTIVE TO OUR GROUP. 
          UM, AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT POTENTIALLY GOODWILL COMING INTO OUR PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND FOR SPOT'S INVESTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          MS. ANDRADE, DOES THAT CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATIONS? YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BEFORE OPENING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, I DON'T THINK MS. ALBAN'S QUESTION WAS ANSWERED. 
          THE SUP CAN LAST THEORETICALLY FOREVER, SO LONG AS ANY CONDITIONS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE SUP ARE COMPLIED WITH AND CONTINUE TO BE SATISFIED. 
          NOW, THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY DON'T GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WITHIN TWO YEARS OF APPROVAL, THE SUP EXPIRES OF ITS OWN RIGHT. 
          OR FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY START CONSTRUCTION, UH, AFTER 12 MONTHS, THE SUP WILL EXPIRE. 
          SO THERE'S CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS TO THAT, BUT GENERALLY, AS A GENERAL RULE, THE SUP WILL LAST AS LONG AS WHAT THEY DO COMPLIES WITH THE CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO IT. 
          AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, IF ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN ALREADY, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND, UH, SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH US. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CAN WE ASK A QUESTION IF WE'VE ALREADY SPOKE? COUNCILMAN YOU SURE MAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO LONGER A COUNSEL. 
          I ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, VERY CLEAR. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE . 
          UM, ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA SAY IS THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          SO FOR THIS ZONING, IT'S NOT PERMITTED RIGHT NOW IN THIS AREA? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN SUP? CORRECT. 
          SO, UH, WE HAD THE PRESENTATION, AND MAYBE WE COULD CLARIFY THIS FROM CITY STAFF, BUT AS FAR AS IT GOES WITH THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I KNOW THAT IT FITS INTO OUR LONG, LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THAT AREA. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD. 
          BUT THERE'S A REASON WE HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMITS. 
          UM, I WILL SAY FROM A NONPROFIT STANDPOINT, WHAT I HEARD FROM GOODWILL, ALTHOUGH GOODWILL, UM, BERNIE HASN'T SAID WE NEED YOU, BERNIE HASN'T SAID WE NEED THIS AND THIS SPACE. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THE THINGS THAT WE DO NEED. 
          UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH GOODWILL ALSO. 
          UM, BUT THE, THE COUNTY ITSELF, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE HILL COUNTRY FAMILY SERVICES, WHICH HAS A PART OF A BIG COALITION HERE IN KENDALL COUNTY, KNOW THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SPECIAL USE IS TRYING TO COME TO OUR COMMUNITY TO SAY, HEY, WHAT DO YOU NEED? HOW CAN WE HELP? UM, AND I, I THINK THAT'S GREAT FOR THEM IN THE LOCATIONS THEY'RE IN, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE NOT ASKED US. 
          THEY MIGHT HAVE ASKED DAILY BREAD. 
          UM, I KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I WORK VERY CLOSELY AND HAVE MOUS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THEM FROM OUR ORGANIZATION. 
          THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS NOT ASKED GOODWILL TO COME TO OUR TOWN AND PROVIDE SERVICES. 
          SO AS CONSIDERATION FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I WOULD ASK THAT QUESTION. 
          IS IT A SPECIAL USE THAT WE NEED IN OUR TOWN? UM, I DON'T THINK WE DO NEED THAT. 
          AND YOU HAVE THAT DECISION TO MAKE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          ANYONE ELSE WANT PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES, PATTY, GO AHEAD. 
          COME ON DOWN. 
          NOT ONLY IS YOUR VOICE HEARD ONCE IN THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S HEARD SEVERAL TIMES, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IN 2023, THEY WERE ACTUALLY DENIED TO SET UP AND SO THEY WANTED TO COME BACK. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BIG DRAW IS TO COME BACK TO A COMMUNITY THAT'S RUNNING FINE. 
          LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A NEED. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A NEED. 
          BUT THEN AGAIN, IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND YOU WANNA WORK YOURSELF IN, WHY HAVEN'T THEY DONE ANYTHING FOR OR WITH THE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO COME BACK HERE AND ASK AGAIN, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT, WHEN HAVE YOU ASKED OR DONE ANYTHING? CAN YOU PICK UP, CAN YOU, WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY BEFORE YOU EVEN GET HERE TO SHOW US THAT YOU'RE INVESTED IN BEING PART OF US AND WHO WE ARE? THANK YOU. 
          SOMEONE ELSE? YES, PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE PLAN. 
          I COULDN'T SEE IT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT, UM, THEY'RE BUILDING A FENCE OR A PLACE BEHIND O'REILLY'S, RIGHT? YES. 
          UH, CAN WE PULL, THAT'S GONNA BLOCK O'REILLY'S ACCESS, RIGHT? MS. ANDRADE, COULD YOU PULL UP THE SITE PLAN AGAIN? THE QUESTION IS, I THINK IN THE BACK OF 
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THE LOADING DOCK AREA. 
          YEAH. 
          ARE THERE, ARE THERE, ARE THEY GONNA BE BLOCKING O'REILLY'S ACCESS TO THEIR BACK DOOR? SO WHERE IS O'REILLY'S GONNA BE GETTING THEIR STUFF FROM? ARE THEY GONNA BE THEN DELIVERING IN THE FRONT OF THE SPACE? AND IF SO, FOR HOW LONG? AND WHAT KIND OF TRUCKS ARE THEY GONNA HAVE AS AN EYESORE TO THOSE DELIVERIES THAT THEY'RE LOSING THE BACK PART OF THE SPACE? SO THE SPECIAL PERMIT, IT'S A VERY LONG LOADING DOCK. 
          SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE NOT BLOCKING O'REILLY'S. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S, THAT'S A VERY LONG ROADING AND I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANYONE ELSE? WE'VE GOT SCOUTS WITH US. 
          YOU'RE HERE TO OBSERVE OR ARE YOU HERE TO PARTICIPATE? ANY SCOUTS WANNA COME UP AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS? NOT, NOT LIKELY. 
          HUH. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND PARTICIPATING, AT LEAST IN THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING. 
          THANKS AGAIN FOR ALLOWING AND HAVING ALL OF US TO, UM, ADD TO THIS IN 2023. 
          WHY WAS THE, THE SPECIFIC REASON THAT IT WAS DENIED? FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH, AS UH, PEOPLE WERE COMING INTO BERNIE, THEY'RE GONNA SEE THE GOODWILL, SEE THAT IN BERNIE, AND THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT IN THE GATEWAY OF BERNIE. 
          WAS THAT WHAT THE REASON WAS IN 2023? WAS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON WHERE ALL Y'ALL, NOW YOU'RE TESTING OUR MEMORY, MS I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS HERE TWO YEARS AGO, BUT I, AS I RECALL, UM, THEY HAD TO GET AN SUP BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE ENTRANCE COURT OR OVERLAY DISTRICT MM-HMM . 
          WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT'S AT PLAY HERE THIS EVENING. 
          IT'S THE ENTRANCE COURT OR OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE COMING TO US BECAUSE UNDER THE NEW DUDC THAT WE ADOPTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, COMMISSIONER KATES AND I SERVED ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WAS NECK DEEP IN THIS. 
          BOB WILL REMEMBER ALL THAT I'M SURE. 
          UH, BUT, UH, WE, WE DELIBERATELY INSERTED THESE SUP REQUIREMENTS IN THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HAVE THE TYPE OF DISCUSSION AND EXCHANGE, UH, THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE THIS EVENING BEFORE WE GET TO DECIDE AND RECOMMEND EITHER APPROVAL DENIAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND COMMISSIONER KATES. 
          AND SO THAT'S YOUR THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. 
          IT WAS THE, THE SUVS BECAUSE OF THE CORRIDOR, THE ENTRANCE. 
          AND I, I, I RECALL ANOTHER REASON, BUT I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO GET INTO IT WITH PROBABLY DURING DISCUSSION PHASE DISCUSSION. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION ON THAT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IS THE, UH, THE SPECIAL, THE SUP FOR THIS, IT IS AN OVERLAY. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS CONSIDERED A CORRIDOR WHERE WE'RE COMING INTO BERNIE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO INSTEAD OF OVER ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN, IT'S JUST ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN, WE HAVE SEVERAL ENTRANCE CORRIDORS IN THE OVERLAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST SAYING. 
          WE JUST MOVED. 
          SO IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. 
          WE JUST MOVED IT OVER TO THERE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS IF MS. MS. CLARK? PARDON? IF I COULD JUST MAKE ONE? SURE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          ALRIGHT, MR. ANDRADA, GO AHEAD. 
          THEN WE'LL HAVE MR. CLARK COME BACK. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE SUP REQUIREMENT IS TYPE TO C TWO ZONING, AND THAT IS CITYWIDE. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, MS. CLARK. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT. 
          ALSO. 
          I SAT HERE AND LISTENED, AND I'M SURE THAT GOODWILL DOES MANY GOOD THINGS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE BERNIE AT HEART. 
          WE'RE A, THIS IS SUCH A UNIQUE COMMUNITY, AND I JUST FEEL THAT EACH THRIFT STORE HERE GIVES SO MUCH BACK. 
          AND THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T, A BIG ENTITY COMING IN DOESN'T HAVE BERNIE AT HEART. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S SO IMPORTANT TO ME, BERNIE, THIS IS JUST A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY AND, UM, A TIGHT COMMUNITY. 
          AND I, I LISTEN TO ALL THE GOOD THINGS AND OF ALL THE PLACES AND SO FORTH, BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE AREA. 
          AND I THINK EVERY, EVERY THRIFT STORE, EVERYBODY THAT TALKED, TALKED FROM THEIR HEART, NOT READ FROM A SCRIPT JUST LIKE YOU, MS. CLARK. 
          OBVIOUSLY, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING. 
          SO THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE TO COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN? COMMISSIONER HAR, I SUPPOSE. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO START ON THIS WALK DOWN MEMORY LANE, BUT I WAS HERE ON APRIL 3RD, 2023 AND AGREED WITH THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE AT THAT TIME. 
          AND SO BY THIS ITEM COMING BACK AGAIN, COMING UP AGAIN ABOUT, WOW, THERE MUST BE CHANGES, IMPROVEMENTS, CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I MADE A REAL EFFORT TO LOOK AT EVERY ASPECT NOW THAT I HAVE SOME MUSCLE MEMORY OR EVEN MORE EXPERIENCE UNDER MY BELT TO, UH, TRY AND LOOK AT GOODWILL THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS, BECAUSE THERE MUST BE SOMETHING I'M MISSING IF GOODWILL'S COMING BACK WITH THE SAME PROPOSAL, BUT DOUBLE IN SIZE AND AN ENTRANCE CORRIDOR AND THE SAME REQUEST. 
          AND 
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LET ME PREFACE THAT WITH, WE GET THIS INFORMATION ON, WE, WE GET THE AGENDA, UH, FOR TODAY'S MEETING, A MINIMUM OF 72 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING A STATE LAW REQUIREMENT. 
          SO IT WAS ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY. 
          WE, WE RECEIVED THIS INFORMATION ON THURSDAY, AND THAT'S WHEN I USUALLY START MY DUE DILIGENCE FOR THESE MEETINGS. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY OVER THE WEEKEND, I REALLY, YOU KNOW, INQUIRED AND LOOKED AT, RESEARCHED THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAS A REAL NEED FOR IMPROVEMENT. 
          I LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MAINE, UM, OR THE NORTH SIDE OF BERNIE OFF OF MAINE AS WELL. 
          AND HAVE BEEN EXCITED ABOUT A LOT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          ONE OF THEM THAT WE SAW HERE IN, IN MAY, I BELIEVE, UM, WITH O'REILLY. 
          UM, AND THAT REQUIRED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WE APPROVED. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY REQUIRED FOR ME TO DO SOME SELF REFLECTION, NOT ONLY ON APRIL 3RD, 2023, BUT THEN HOW WE LOOKED AT THE O'REILLY SITUATION AND THE DILIGENCE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THIS COMMISSION HERE DID THIS MORNING. 
          IT CROSSED MY MIND TO FIND A REALLY GOOD REASON WHY GOODWILL WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND I THOUGHT, WHAT A GREAT, GREAT WAY TO HIGHLIGHT GOODWILL AND LOOK AT HOW THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DEVASTATION IN THE TRAGEDY IN KERRVILLE. 
          AND THAT LED ME TO PROBABLY FUEL ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS. 
          AND THE FIRST THING I NOTICED WAS, WELL, AND I WAS WELL AWARE AFTER MY WEEKEND WORK OF SEEING THE GOODWILL WOULD OPERATE HERE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, INCLUDING SUNDAY. 
          MR. PETERSON STATED IN KERRVILLE, THEY DON'T OPERATE ON SUNDAYS IN KERRVILLE. 
          AND THE REASON WHY I UNDERSTAND FROM THEIR WEBSITE AND FROM SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS IS BECAUSE OF EXTREME STAFFING SHORTAGES. 
          IT'S STATED ON THEIR WEBSITE AS OF THIS MORNING, THAT WAS A REASON WHY. 
          AND SO I THOUGHT, WOW, HUH, I WONDER HOW HARD IT IS TO HIRE, LET ME LOOK AT THEIR CAREERS PAGE. 
          THERE'S NOT AN ACTIVE JOB POSTING IN KERRVILLE TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS FOR THOSE EXTREME STAFFING SHORTAGES. 
          AND IN 2023, OUR, OUR PRIMARY CONCERN WAS THE PILING UP OF, OF, UH, DONATED GOODS. 
          AND THOSE DONATED GOODS BEING SIFTED THROUGH BY THE PUBLIC AS THEY SIT OUT. 
          AND SO MY CONCERN, I THINK IS EVEN IS EVEN FUELED MORE AS I CONTINUED TO, TO KINDA RESEARCH AND LOOK AT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. 
          UM, THERE ARE POSITIVE THINGS, BUT AS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER, THERE'S A LOT OF ATTRIBUTES THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED BY A LOT OF THE NONPROFITS. 
          AND BERNIE, BERNIE IS THE NUMBER ONE COUNTY IN THE STATE FOR CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS. 
          AND THAT'S A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT THAT GOES INTO THAT. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY $50 MILLION OF OUR COUNTY ECONOMY. 
          AND WE CONTINUE TO HEAR THAT ALL THOSE THINGS ARE KEPT HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY OUR PLACE TO DETERMINE OR TO DECIDE IF GOODWILL COMES IN, BUT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS THE APPEARANCE OF BERNIE AND ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THE STORIES THAT EVERYBODY'S COME FORWARD AND TOLD I AGREE WITH. 
          BUT I TRY TO COMPARTMENTALIZE THAT AND BE LIKE, THIS IS PLANNING AND ZONING AND WE NEED TO DETERMINE IF GOODWILL FITS WELL IN THIS SPACE BASE. 
          COULD GOODWILL GO INTO A EXTREME STAFFING SHORTAGE IN BERNIE AND NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE? AND I'VE SHARED IT WITH ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND CITY STAFF, AND IT CAN BE SHARED WITH GOODWILL. 
          BUT ONE YEAR AGO TOMORROW WHEN WE SHARED ON JULY 8TH, THERE'S A MESS OF DONATED GOODS THAT HAVE BEEN SIFTED THROUGH AND THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE GOODWILL STORE THAT WERE IN CARVILLE, IN CARVILLE. 
          UM, THAT WAS, AND THAT WAS BEFORE ANY OF ANY OF THE, THE SITUATION OF TODAY. 
          AND THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN, AND THAT WAS MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN THEN. 
          SO UNLESS THERE'S A, A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION ON HOW TO KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING, UM, AND I I'M, I'M NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT, UM, GOODWILL AND I HAVE A GAMUT OF OTHER THINGS. 
          I'VE LOOKED AT PARKING SPACES AND THE 57,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          AND IF EVERY SPOT IS RETAIL, IT REQUIRES 329 PARKING SPACES. 
          THEY ONLY HAVE 199 TO OFFER. 
          UM, SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT BEING CREATIVE OR SELECTIVE ON WHAT GOES INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER AS WELL, KNOWING THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, OVER A HUNDRED, A 
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HUNDRED SPACES, UH, SHORT WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT BRINGS ME TO A LEVEL TO GET COMFORTABLE, I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          UM, DEFINITELY OPEN TO IDEAS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE SHARED WHILE, WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR THAT, YOU KNOW, GOODWILL IS ACTIVE IN THE BERNIE CHAMBER, THEY DIDN'T JOIN THE CHAMBER UNTIL THE MARCH TIMEFRAME, WHICH IS ABOUT THE TIME THAT THEY PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN IDEA THAT THEY WANT TO COME TO BERNIE, WHICH MAKES ME, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED AS WELL. 
          UM, WE'VE HEARD A LOT, UM, ACTUALLY IT'S COINCIDENTAL THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD THE SCHOOL BOARD HERE AND THEY SAID, OH, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 
          THOSE WERE ON PREVIOUS ITEMS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S THERE, BUT, UM, THE SCHOOL BOARD SEEMS TO BE A, A POINT OF REFERENCE TO MAKE THING MAKE US COMFORTABLE. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY VALIDATION, ANYBODY FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD HERE TODAY, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT, UM, THOSE ARE AT A HIGH LEVEL, MY CONCERNS. 
          I COULD CONTINUE TO GET EXTREME, EXTREMELY GRANULAR. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT PILING UP OF DONATED GOODS, WHETHER OR NOT GOODWILL HAS THE STAFFING AND THE MANPOWER AND THE EFFORT THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY PUT IN TO, UH, FIXING A MANPOWER ISSUE, UM, IS GLARINGLY OBVIOUS THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT AND THERE'S NOT ANY HIRING EFFORTS HAPPENING IN, IN KERRVILLE MAYBE UNTIL THIS PAST SUNDAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER LER. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER KATES. 
          I THINK ONE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS APPLICATION AND THE ONE WE HEARD TWO YEARS AGO, AS I RECALL THE ONE, TWO YEARS AGO, ALL THEY WANTED WAS A DONATION STATION. 
          THEY, THEY WEREN'T GONNA HAVE A RETAIL STORE, AND THEY WERE VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE FACT AT THAT TIME THAT THEY WANTED A DONATION STATION IN BERNIE. 
          'CAUSE BERNIE HAD NICER STUFF AND THEY WANTED TO TAKE BERNIE'S NICER STUFF AND SHIP IT OFF TO SAN ANTONIO AND OTHER PLACES. 
          SO, UH, THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE JUST FOR EVERYONE OUT THERE BETWEEN THE LAST APPLICATION AND THIS ONE, THE LAST APPLICATION WAS STRICTLY A DONATION STATION. 
          UH, THAT BEING SAID, UM, IT DOES NOT SOLVE THE ISSUE THAT I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, UH, WHAT GOES ON IN KERRVILLE AND WHAT I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN IN A LOT OF OTHER PLACES. 
          UM, GOODWILL DOES SOME GREAT WORK. 
          UH, GOODWILL EMPLOYS A NEPHEW OF MINE THAT, UH, OTHERWISE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE EMPLOYED. 
          AND SO, UH, I, I APPLAUD GOODWILL, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS AN ENTRANCE QUARTER. 
          UM, I THINK A POINT WAS, WELL, WAS MADE THAT, UH, DOES IT MATTER WHICH ENTRANCE QUARTER? I MEAN, IF, IF IT'S NOT GOOD FOR ONE ENTRANCE QUARTER, IS IT GOOD FOR ANY ENTRANCE QUARTER? AND, UH, SO I'M, UH, I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS. 
          I I UNDERSTAND THE LOCAL COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, SAYING WE HAVE BEEN HERE, WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF KENDALL, WE, WE CONTINUE. 
          BUT WE HEAR THAT SAME ARGUMENT WHEN STARBUCKS COMES TO THEM, THAT, UH, WE DON'T WANT A BIG CHAIN IN BERNIE. 
          WE WANT LOCAL BUSINESSES ONLY. 
          WELL, IF LOCAL BUSINESSES WOULD FILL ALL THE TENANT SPACES AND AND BUILD ALL THE VACANT LOTS, IT'D BE GREAT. 
          BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROPERTY RIGHTS HERE. 
          WE'VE GOT THIS, UH, THIS GROUP THAT HAS INVESTED A LOT IN THIS, UH, UH, UH, BUILDING OUT THERE. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY BROUGHT IN ONE GREAT TENANT. 
          AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO BALANCE HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER KATES, I JUST PASSED OVER THE A IS FROM TWO YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, AND IT, IT DOES STATE THAT THERE WAS A RETAIL SPACE PROPOSED IN THERE. 
          THIS IS A MAJORITY OF THE SPACE WAS DONATION, BUT THEY DID HAVE PLANNED. 
          SO NOT ONLY HAS THE SPACE GROWN FROM 7,000 TO 16,000 SQUARE FEET AND IT WASN'T CONSIDERED, THEN IT'S DOUBLED AND IT'S THE SAME SETUP IN MY EYES. 
          SO THE INTEREST OF FULL TRANSPARENCY TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO IS A LONG TIME. 
          I TOLD YOU IT WAS CHALLENGING MY MEMORY . 
          UM, THEY, THEY DID HAVE A SMALL THRIFT STORE PROPOSED IN 6,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT LIKE COMMISSIONER HIGHLER HAS SAID THAT SIZE HAS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED WITH THIS LATEST PROPOSAL. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER PRIOR, COULD WE GO BACK TO THE VERY FIRST SLIDE OF THE CITY PRESENTATION THAT HAS KIND OF THE GRAPH OF THE GOALS, PLEASE, WITH THE STRATEGY MAP? YES, MA'AM. 
          SO I KNOW WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THIS EVERY MONTH, 
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AND I'M HUNG UP ON, WE SERVE OUR CUSTOMERS OFFERING QUALITY CUSTOMER EXPERIENCES AND COLLABORATING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THIS PROJECT SATISFIES EITHER OF THOSE. 
          THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          UM, I MADE A TON OF NOTES. 
          I, I WATCHED THE B AND D MEETING, WHICH ALL OF US WATCH THOSE EITHER LIVE OR AFTER THE FACT. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT JUST FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          THEY'RE FOR US TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. 
          AND I'M NOT AS ELOQUENT AS PATTY MAINS AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, BRYCE BODE THAT SPOKE TODAY AND, AND THE, THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, BUT IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE MY NOTES TALK ABOUT WHAT MAKES BERNIE CHARMING, AND I SAY THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN THE MEETINGS HERE AND IN MY INTERACTIONS IN THE PUBLIC, IS WHAT MAKES BERNIE CHARMING IS ALL OF YOU. 
          AND WHAT MAKES BERNIE CHARMING IS THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE TONIGHT AND THE WAY THEY SPOKE FROM THE HEART TONIGHT, AND MY NOTES AFTER THE B AND D MEETING WERE, WAS THAT NO HOMEWORK WAS DONE IN THESE LAST TWO YEARS BY GOODWILL TO ESTABLISH THE NEEDS OF KENDALL COUNTY OR OF BERNIE. 
          THERE'S BEEN NO COORDINATED EFFORTS WITH THE LOCALS, AND THERE'S BEEN NO PLAN THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTS OUR PEOPLE. 
          THE IMPACT THAT GOODWILL IS MAKING RIGHT NOW WITH OPENING THEIR STORES AND HAVING FREE GOODS AND SERVICES AVAILABLE IN KERRVILLE AND COMFORT IS VERY IMPACTFUL, BUT IT'S NOT NEAR AS IMPACTFUL AS WHAT SO MANY OTHERS ARE DOING. 
          AND THAT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING TO ME. 
          THE PROGRAMS THAT GOODWILL TOUTS ARE NOT FEASIBLE FOR THOSE IN BERNIE AND KENDALL COUNTY THAT NEED THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THIS AREA. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          THIS IS A LITTLE BIT EMOTIONAL BASED ON THE WEEKENDS EVENTS, BUT THOSE PROGRAMS ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO THOSE HERE THAT NEED THEM BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT NEED THEM PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION TO GET TO SAN ANTONIO AND THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT THEIR PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE IN. 
          SO WHAT IS THEIR, WHAT IS THEIR ROLE AND WHAT IS THEIR GOAL? GOODWILL, TO ME, BASED ON THE PRESENTATIONS WE'VE HEARD IN THE PAST, HEARD IN THE B AND D MEETING HEARD TONIGHT ARE LARGE. 
          THEY'RE CORPORATE, THEY'RE REHEARSED. 
          AND THAT IS VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE CULTURE OF OUR LOCAL NONPROFITS. 
          OUR FAMILY BUSINESSES ARE MAIN STREET SHOPS AND THE CHAIN RESTAURANTS THAT ARE HERE. 
          BUT THOSE CHAIN RESTAURANTS THAT ARE HERE, THEY SUPPORT OUR SCHOOLS, OUR SPORTS PROGRAMS, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS IN BIG WAYS. 
          THE CAR DEALERSHIPS HUGE IMPACT ON OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. 
          AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THE PRESENTATION THAT'S BEING MADE BY GOODWILL IS WHAT MAKES BERNIE CHARMING. 
          THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PERSONAL SENTIMENTS. 
          SO I WANNA PIGGYBACK TO GO BACK TO OFFERING QUALITY CUSTOMER EXPERIENCES. 
          I FEEL LIKE OUR COMMUNITY IS OUR PRIMARY CUSTOMER. 
          WE HAVE A HUGE ROLE TO PLAY IN PLANNING AND ZONING ON THIS COMMUNITY. 
          AND THERE HAVE BEEN, I WATCH SOCIAL MEDIA VERY, VERY CLOSELY BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT WHAT OUR COMMUNITY SAYS, AND I WATCH NEXTDOOR AT THE NEXTDOOR APP. 
          AND HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS OF COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT COLLABORATING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS ENHANCES THE QUALITY OF LIFE FITS THIS CATEGORY EITHER. 
          AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I FEEL LIKE MY VOTE WOULD BE THE SAME AS IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FRIAR. 
          MR. BYRD, DO WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ENC COMMISSIONERS TO THANK YOU. 
          THERE WAS ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT COMMISSION, THAT COMMISSIONERS NEED TO, UH, CONSIDER WHEN LOOKING AT AN SUP. 
          AND ONE OF THEM IN PARTICULAR, WHEN I'VE LISTENED TO ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE COMMENTS OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IS, UM, ON PARAGRAPH K, SECTION FOUR SAYS, A PUBLIC INTEREST AND WELFARE SUPPORTING THE USE SHALL BE SUFFICIENT TO OUTWEIGH THE INDIVIDUAL INTERESTS THAT ARE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THE ESTABLISHED ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PROPOSED USE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS. 
          ONE BEING I'M, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT STRIP CENTER. 
          'CAUSE IT'S BEEN SUCH AN EYESORE 
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FOR SO MANY YEARS. 
          BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, I I, I'M NOT GETTING THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY FROM GOODWILL. 
          UM, AND, AND EVEN THOUGH IT MAY OR MAY NOT MATTER, I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT AS A COMMUNITY, THAT WE CAN CREATE BUSINESS, HIRE OUR NEIGHBORS, DRIVE AN INCOME, SPEND THAT MONEY LOCALLY, AND THAT MONEY GOES BACK INTO OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. 
          AND THAT'S HOW OUR LOCAL ECONOMY THRIVES. 
          SO THE POINT OF, OF, I I, I BELIEVE THAT BERNIE IS A, UM, A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO COLLECT GOOD DONATIONS. 
          SOMEBODY, DID YOU MENTION THAT, THAT, THAT SOME, YEAH. 
          , BUT YEAH, SO I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S, I MEAN, WE'RE A, A, A VERY, UH, GIVING COMMUNITY AND, AND I WOULD REALLY HATE IN THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT GO OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY, THOSE DONATIONS, UM, FOR THE PRIMARY SAKE OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST MAXIMIZING THE DOLLAR. 
          UM, BUT, BUT WITH THAT SAID, I, I, I DON'T THINK I COULD MOVE FORWARD BELIEVING IN MY HEART THAT OUR COMMUNITY WOULD BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED, UM, BY THIS, JUST BASED ON THE COMMUNITY'S COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER BIRD. 
          MR. FIO. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER FRIAR, GO AHEAD. 
          I'LL, I'LL GO LAST. 
          , I, I BELIEVE I'M GONNA BE THE DISSENTING VOTE TONIGHT. 
          UM, SO HERE, HERE ARE MY THOUGHTS. 
          AND I THINK MS. ANDRADE ME MENTIONED THIS. 
          UM, OUR PACKAGE MENTIONS THIS. 
          WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR APPROVAL DISAPPROVAL OF THIS, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DRIVES A LOT OF THAT, RIGHT? SPECIFICALLY IN THIS CASE. 
          UH, SECTION 2.5 D FOUR, UM, ITEMS A THROUGH K. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER, BIRD, UH, MENTIONED ONE, UM, ITEM C READS, THE ESTABLISHMENT MAINTENANCE OR OPERATION OF THE PROPOSED USE SHALL NOT ENDANGER OR BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, MORALS, COMFORT, OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK IF WE WERE LOOKING AT, I DON'T KNOW, A, UM, GENTLEMAN'S CLUB, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW, UM, SOMETHING, SOMETHING ELSE, IT MIGHT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY. 
          I DON'T FEEL THAT GOODWILL FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY. 
          I THINK THE TWO OVERWHELMING, UM, THEMES FOR DISAPPROVAL TONIGHT WERE ONE MARKET COMPETITION, RIGHT? UM, GOODWILL'S GONNA IMPACT THE OTHER THRIFT STORES. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I KNOW THE, THE GOOD THAT THE OTHER THRIFT STORES DO. 
          I, I, UM, DONATE TO THE OTHER THRIFT STORES, BUT I ALSO DONATE TO GOODWILL, AND I ALSO DONATE TO SALVATION ARMY. 
          AND THE REASON I DONATE TO THE SALVATION ARMY IS 'CAUSE THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT BULK PICKUP. 
          I DON'T THINK GOODWILL IS. 
          SO I DONATE TO THE SALVATION ARMY WHEN I HAVE FURNITURE TO DONATE. 
          UM, IF I HAVE THINGS THAT I THINK THE LOCAL COMMUNITY CAN BENEFIT FROM, I GO TO THE, UH, THE LOCAL, UH, THRIFT SHOPS. 
          SO ANYWAY, I'M TRYING TO PAINT A PICTURE OF A MARKET ECONOMY THERE. 
          AND I THINK WHEN A GOVERNMENT ENTITY STARTS TO IMPEDE OR INFLUENCE A MARKET ECONOMY, I THINK THAT, I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO KIND OF A DANGEROUS SITUATION THERE. 
          THE OTHER, UM, OVERWHELMING THEME WAS DONATION TRASH. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I DON'T LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S UGLY. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING UNIQUE TO GOODWILL. 
          I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT THE OTHER THRIFT STORES, UM, MAY ENCOUNTER AS WELL. 
          AND IF THE OTHER THRIFT STORES HAVE MANAGED TO OVERCOME THIS, I DON'T SEE WHY GOODWILL CAN'T OVERCOME THIS. 
          AND PERHAPS THEIR DONATION STATION IS IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. 
          UM, AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK I, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE WANTING TO KEEP BERNIE, BERNIE. 
          I, I REALLY DO. 
          I MEAN, I LIVE IN BERNIE. 
          I'VE LIVED THERE OVER A DECADE. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK BERNIE IS AN ISLAND IN AND OF ITSELF. 
          UM, I THINK WE'RE PART OF A BROADER REGION, A BROADER COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT, UM, PERHAPS THIS WEEKEND'S, UM, TRAGIC EVENTS MAYBE BROUGHT THAT TO LIGHT WHERE EVERYONE CAME TOGETHER, RIGHT? AND I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE I WANT BERNIE TO BE, HEY, IT'S JUST BERNIE. 
          NO ONE ELSE. 
          EVERYBODY ELSE STAY OUT BECAUSE WHEN WE NEED OTHERS, THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR US. 
          SO YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. 
          YOU CAN'T SAY, HEY, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY HERE THRIFTING, BUT WHEN I NEED YOU FOR FLOOD SUPPORT, I REALLY WANT YOU HERE. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S MAYBE, UM, A BIT OF A, OF A DISCONNECT THERE. 
          SO, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE LAST THING. 
          THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, UM, I DO APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UH, COMMISSIONER KATE'S COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE, THE, 
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THE CORRIDOR. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT THAT'S ONE OF OUR MORE IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE CITY, THE ENTRANCE CORRIDORS. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT HAVING VACANT PROPERTIES LIKE THIS PARTICULAR, UM, SHOPPING CENTER HAS HAD FOR MONTHS, IF NOT YEARS, IS REALLY THE ENTRANCE THAT WE WANT OTHERS TO SEE. 
          I THINK HAVING, UM, BUSINESSES THAT ARE, THAT ARE ACTIVE, UM, HAVING CARS COMING IN AND OUT, I THINK THAT THAT SHOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE VIBRANCE IN THE CITY RATHER THAN JUST HAVING A DORMANT PARKING LOT WITH A TACO SHOP AND A NAIL SALON. 
          SO I, I, YOU KNOW, WHILE PERHAPS WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE, UM, I THINK HAVING SOMETHING THERE IS BETTER THAN HAVING NOTHING THERE. 
          UM, AND WHAT'S THE LAST THING I WAS GONNA SAY? I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          I'M DONE. 
          UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SENIO. 
          COMMISSIONER FRIAR. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          I DO. 
          UM, AND I'LL, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE DYNAMIC AND THE LOCATIONS OF THE OTHER THRIFT STORES IN TOWN, AND I MEAN, ZERO DISRESPECT BY FIND THIS TO ANYBODY. 
          UM, WHAT CONCERNS ME SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS LOCATION IS IT DOES HAVE A DONATION SIGN IN THE FRONT OF THE STORE IN A SHOPPING CENTER, AND PEOPLE WILL DUMP, I THINK EVERY ONE OF THE THRIFT STORE OWNERS HERE, OR OPERATORS HERE WILL SAY, AND I THINK IT WAS ALREADY SAID BY REBECCA, THAT PEOPLE WILL DUMP. 
          PEOPLE WILL DUMP WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT FOR THEM. 
          IF YOU ARE NOT OPEN, IT CAN BE CHANGED. 
          IT CAN'T BE PREVENTED. 
          IT JUST IS. 
          BUT THE ANIMAL LEAGUE, THEY TAKE DONATIONS IN THE BACK OF THEIR STORE BETWEEN SONIC AND THEIR THRIFT STORE. 
          AND SO IT IS SHIELDED, AND EVEN THEY ARE IN AN ENTRANCE CORRIDOR AS WELL. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF BACK THERE. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK REAL PRETTY. 
          I KNOW THEY DO THE BEST THEY CAN, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM BANDERA ROAD. 
          YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT'S BACK THERE. 
          THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN THIS LOCATION FOR GOODWILL. 
          UM, HILL COUNTRY FAMILY SERVICES, THEY'RE A FENCED IN AREA. 
          THEIR DONATIONS ARE DROPPED BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS AND A DRIVEWAY. 
          THE BACK OF THEIR PROPERTY FACES THE CEMETERY. 
          DO PEOPLE DRIVE BY THERE? OWN SCHOOL STREET? OF COURSE. 
          CAN YOU SEE ALL THE STUFF THAT'S OUTSIDE? EH, ONLY IF YOU LOOK, BUT IT'S NOT IN OUR ENTRANCE CORRIDOR. 
          IT'S NOT. 
          AND IT, IT, IT IS A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC THAN, THAN THIS LOCATION. 
          UM, THE OTHER, THE WOMEN'S SHELTER, IT'S RIGHT, PROBABLY WE'RE JUST PROBABLY OUTSIDE THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, BUT IT'S BEHIND A GATE AND IT'S BEHIND THEIR HOUSE. 
          CAN YOU SEE ALL THEIR STUFF? SOMETIMES YES, BECAUSE THEY'RE BIG TRAILERS OVERFLOWING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM MAIN STREET. 
          IT'S NOT WHERE OUR VISITORS AND OUR TOURISTS ARE COMING IN AND OUT. 
          UM, SO THAT OUT OUTSIDE OF EMOTION, WHICH I STARTED WITH, UM, THOSE ARE THE FACTS. 
          UM, I THINK ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS IS ANOTHER PART OF THE PRESENTATION AND DUMPING IT AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL CON CONSIDERATION. 
          PEOPLE'S USED ITEMS ARE BEING LEFT ON MANY OCCASIONS AND RUMMAGED THROUGH AS WE SAW IN PICTURES, REGARDLESS OF EACH ESTABLISHMENT'S BEST EFFORTS. 
          AND, AND THE PARKING. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES WITH O'REILLY, THE DOLLAR TREE, THE LAST FEW MONTHS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PARKING. 
          AND, UM, COMMISSIONER LER ALREADY SPOKE REAL BRIEFLY TO THAT, THAT WHEN ALL OF THESE SHOPS ARE OPEN DURING BUSINESS HOURS, THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE PARKING. 
          AND SO THERE'S MORE TO THIS THAN JUST THE EMOTION AND OPINION. 
          THOSE ARE ALL BIG CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AN SUP. 
          AND SO, I GUESS MY FINAL THOUGHT IN THE MO MY FINAL FOR THIS MOMENT IS YOU SAID THAT THE SUP IS REQUIRED NOT BECAUSE OF THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, BUT BECAUSE OF THE C TWO ZONING. 
          SO WHERE COULD THE EIGHTH RIFT STORE GO THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE AN SUP? WHAT ARE THEIR OTHER CHOICES? WHERE SHOULD THEY BE LOOKING THAT THEY DON'T NEED US OTHER THAN IN THE COUNTY? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE THE, UH, APPROVED USES TABLE MEMORIZED AND BURNED INTO MY BRAIN YET. 
          BUT AS A GENERAL TREND, MORE INTENSE ZONING DISTRICTS SUCH AS, UM, C3 OR C FOUR, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS. 
          SURE. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT MORE INTENSE ZONING DISTRICTS DO ALLOW MORE INTENSIVE USES BY, RIGHT. 
          SO WHAT OF THOSE LOCATIONS HAS GOODWILL 
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LOOKED AT? WHY ARE THEY, WHY IS THE DESIRE TO BE IN OUR ENTRANCE CORRIDORS WHERE SPECIFIC APPROVAL HAS TO BE OBTAINED? AND JUST, I THINK, UM, I'M PRETTY SURE THERE IS A DONATION STATION IN LEON SPRINGS, A GOODWILL SPECIFIC DONATION STATION AT, IN THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE WILLIE IS AT RALPH FAIR AND I 10. 
          SO THERE IS A DONATION STATION ALREADY HERE AS WELL IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY. 
          THERE'S ONE IN BURN AS WELL. 
          THERE'S ONE IN BERNIE. 
          YEAH, I BELIEVE. 
          YEAH, I BELIEVE THERE IS. 
          THERE IS. 
          IT'S UH, THEY COULD PROBABLY ANSWER IT DIRECTLY, BUT I THINK IT'S OFF OF, UH, MM. 
          IT'S, IT'S RIGHT NEAR THE PREVIOUS PROPOSED SITE, MAYBE AT A, AT A CHURCH PARKING LOT. 
          GOOD MATION STATION. 
          GOOD GOODWILL? I BELIEVE SO. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T, IT WAS ON THEIR WEB. 
          IT WAS REFLECTED ON THEIR WEBSITE THIS MORNING. 
          MR. PETERSON, WOULD YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION, LUCAS, HE, COMMISSIONER HEIDER HAS RAISED, PLEASE? NO, SIR. 
          THERE IS NOT A DONATION STATION IN BERNIE. 
          LEON SPRINGS IS THE CLOSEST. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER FARAR? IS THERE AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OTHER LOCATIONS THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE APPROVAL THAT ARE, THAT ARE GRANTED BY WRIGHT? SO I WANTED TO ADDRESS TWO ITEMS. UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT THEY'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE, UM, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO THE TYPE OF REAL ESTATE THAT TYPICALLY IS APPROVABLE FOR THEM. 
          AND IT'S TYPICALLY AREAS WITH EXPOSURE WITH CO-TENANCY, MEANING, MEANING, YOU KNOW, OTHER TENANTS WITHIN THE AREA THAT DO ATTRACT THEIR, THEIR SAME CUSTOMER. 
          SO OUR SHOPPING CENTER PROVIDES THAT, UM, ATTRIBUTE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, AS FAR AS OTHER, JUST BEING IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY, UM, AGAIN, I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR GOODWILL, BUT PROBABLY BECAUSE OF EXPOSURE, BECAUSE OF SIZE NEEDS OR CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY JUST, THEY DON'T EXIST TODAY. 
          UM, THE REASON THAT WE WERE ATTRACTED TO THIS PROJECT IS, UM, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD MARKET. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S LOW VACANCY, SO THERE'S VERY FEW OPTIONS FOR THO FOR THEM TO, TO CONSIDER. 
          UM, SO WE, WE BOUGHT THIS PROJECT WHEN IT WAS 35% OCCUPIED. 
          WE KNEW THAT IT HAD POTENTIAL, UM, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY. 
          UM, I, I WANT TO STRESS TO YOU ALL THAT WE HAVE ZERO. 
          I I, I HEARD WHAT THE CITY SAID ABOUT YOUR CONCERN WITH, WITH DUMPING, SO PLEASE. 
          UM, BUT OUR EXPERIENCE BASED ON THE OTHER LANDLORDS THAT WE KNOW, UH, WHICH ARE VERY QUALITY LANDLORDS THAT, THAT THINK THROUGH DUMPING, IF THEY WERE TO HAVE, IF THEY HAVE GOODWILL IN THEIR PROJECT, WHICH THEY DO, UM, WE HAVE NO CONCERN WITH, WITH HOW THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED. 
          IT PROBABLY WILL HAPPEN, BUT, BUT, BUT, UM, DAVE ADDRESSED HOW THAT WAS GOING TO BE, UM, HANDLED, RIGHT? WHETHER IT BE EXPANDED HOURS, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, CONSIDERATION AS IT RELATES TO HIRING EMPLOYEES OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          SO I, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE NO CONCERN WITH THE DUMPING SITUATION. 
          WE'RE, UM, WE KNOW THE, UH, THE LANDLORD IN LAMB SPRINGS, UM, HE, I MEAN, HE IS A DETAIL ORIENTED INDIVIDUAL THAT'S A RESIDENT OF BERNIE. 
          UM, AND, AND I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION, UM, WHEN HE, YOU KNOW, DID THE DEAL. 
          AND I THINK THAT HE GOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT IF IT HAPPENS, IT WILL BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS PARKING. 
          SO, UM, IT WAS BROUGHT UP, I THINK TWICE TONIGHT AND, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME AS WELL, UM, OR GRANDFATHERED. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PRACTICAL AND A TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, UM, DOLLAR TREE HAS SAID, HEY, WE GET IT. 
          WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PARKING SITUATION. 
          UM, WE GET IT THAT IT MAY BE BUSY AT TIMES, BUT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH HOW THIS PARKING, UH, SITUATION IS POSITIONED, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THERE ARE. 
          UM, AND, AND WE KNOW AT TIMES IT'S GONNA BE TIGHT. 
          UM, SAME WITH O'REILLY. 
          UM, I WOULD CHARACTERIZE GOODWILL AS AN AVERAGE PARKING INTENSIVE RETAILER. 
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THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT, IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN WELL, AND WE DON'T NEED AN SUP FOR THE NEXT GROUP, WE COULD PUT A VERY PARKING, VERY PARKING INTENSIVE USER IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, COULD IMPACT PARKING, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, I WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS GOODWILL AS VERY MUCH AN AVERAGE PARKING USER. 
          IT'S NOT HIGHLY INTENSIVE. 
          UM, ONE LAST ITEM THAT, THAT I WANNA MENTION TO YOU GUYS IS THAT, UM, UM, BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS LAST TIME, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          'CAUSE WE HEARD, WE HEARD YOUR CONCERNS AND WE WANT TO ADDRESS THEM. 
          UM, ONE ITEM IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO MAKE SURE, FOR EXAMPLE, EMPLOYEES ARE PARKING IN THE REAR OF THE CENTER. 
          THE REAR OF THE CENTER WILL BE LIT, IT WILL BE SAFE, BUT IT'S ON US TO MANAGE THAT THOSE BUSINESSES PARK THEIR, THEIR EMPLOYEES PARK BEHIND THEIR SPACES. 
          THOSE SPACES ARE MEANT FOR CUSTOMERS. 
          UM, THE ONE OTHER THING WE DID IS WE DID A QUICK PARKING STUDY. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE PICKED UP ABOUT 15 PARKING SPACES. 
          UM, IF WE WERE TO STRIKE BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH, WHICH WE PLAN ON DOING. 
          AND, AND GOING BACK TO MY COMMENT ABOUT PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, WE WILL BE PUTTING IN OUR LEASES THAT EMPLOYEES ARE TO BE PARKED IN THE REAR OF THE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          UM, IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MANAGE IT AS WELL AS OUR EXPECTATION IS AS THE BUSINESSES WILL ADDRESS THE PARKING. 
          SO I, I THANK YOU. 
          HOPE THAT ADDRESSES, UM, AT LEAST TOUCHES UPON YOUR CONCERN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          ANY FOLLOW UP COMMENTS FROM THIS SIDE OF THE DIOCESE? COMMISSIONER KELLER, MR. CHAIRMAN? COULD I ANSWER TOO, FROM A GOODWILL'S PERSPECTIVE? SURE. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER PROPERTIES ARE AVAILABLE. 
          WE WEREN'T LOOKING, UH, THE, THE LANDLORD CAME TO US AND SAID, WE WE'RE INTERESTED IN YOU AS A TENANT. 
          AND SO WE BEGAN THAT RELATIONSHIP. 
          WE WERE NOT ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR OTHER SPACES. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLER. 
          SO LIKE COMMISSIONER HYLER, I LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN AS WELL, AND, UH, HAVE HAD REALLY HIGH HOPES AND EXCITED ABOUT THE SHOPPING CENTER AND WHAT, UM, THE POTENTIAL IS THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL PREFERENCES ARE PRETTY MUCH IRRELEVANT TO THIS. 
          WE HAVE CRITERIA, AS WE'VE ALLUDED TO UP HERE ON, ON HOW AN SUP CAN BE APPROVED IN THIS SITUATION. 
          AND I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT EVERY ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA NEED TO BE MET. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          ALL 13. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, THAT'S, YES. 
          THAT, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          UM, AND WHILE I APPRECIATE THEIR WILLINGNESS TO HANDLE THE DUMPING SITUATION, THAT THAT IS A LARGE CONCERN OF MINE. 
          AND IF THAT IS A CONCERN, I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER ONE OF THESE ITEMS THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE. 
          UM, IT SAYS THAT THE PROPOSED USE SHALL NOT INJURE THE USE OR ENJOYMENT OF PROPERTY IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY FOR THE PURPOSE PURPOSES ALREADY PERMITTED, NOR SUBSTANTIALLY DIMINISH OR IMPAIR THE PROPERTY VALUES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IF DUMPING BECOMES AN ISSUE, THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE IN MY MIND. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE, AND ANOTHER THING TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF, IF DUMPING DOES BECOME AN ISSUE, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S SOME MECHANISM TO REMOVE AN SUP. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? IF THEY WEREN'T COMPLYING WITH ANY CONDITIONS PLACED UPON IT, WE COULD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, THO THOSE ARE HONESTLY MY CONCERNS. 
          UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, THAT THIS REALLY FITS IN BEING AN ENTRANCE CORRIDOR TO THE CHARACTER OF BERNIE AND WHAT WE'RE STRIVING FOR. 
          UM, AND THE DESIRABLE NATURE OF BERNIE, I JUST, THE DUMPING IS THE MAIN ISSUE AND HOW THAT CAN DIMINISH PROPERTY VALUES. 
          AND AS MR. BIRD AND MR. BODE ALLUDED TO, THE, THE PUBLIC INTEREST FOR THIS BEING HERE IS, IS NOT THERE FOR ME AS, AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLER. 
          COMMISSIONER KATES REMINDED ME THAT WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE UDC, UM, THRIFT STORES COULD ONLY BE ALLOWED IN FIVE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS, A C ONE, WHICH IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. 
          C TWO IS TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL. 
          C3 IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. 
          C FOUR IS REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. 
          THAT'S TYPICALLY ALONG MAJOR INTERSTATES LIKE HIGHWAY 10 AND C ARE CRAFT COMMERCIAL, BUT ONLY WITH AN SUP. 
          SO THERE'S NO PLACE THEY CAN GO UNDER THE CURRENT UDC WITHOUT GETTING AN SUP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH, MUCH TO ADD OTHER THAN, I MEAN, I'M FAMILIAR WITH, UH, WITH GOODWILL, HAVING WORKED WITH THOSE FOLKS IN A FORMER LIFE, I, I KNOW THE MISSION, I KNOW THE LEADERSHIP. 
          I MEAN, THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND IT'S A GOOD MISSION. 
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I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD FIT BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT A NUMBER OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE CITED. 
          NOW, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER VICE, A REASONABLE MINDS CAN DIFFER ON THE INTERPRETATION OF SOME OF THESE, BUT I, I TEND TO SIDE WITH THOSE, COMMISSIONER KELLER, COMMISSIONER BYRD, COMMISSIONER KATES, AND, AND COMMISSIONER FRYER AND HELLER, IN LOOKING AT THESE CRITERIA, ALL 13, AS WE JUST DISCUSSED A MINUTE AGO, HAVE TO BE MET IN ORDER FOR US TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          AND OBJECTIVELY, I JUST DID THE MATH FOR ME, FOUR OF THE 13, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, AREN'T SATISFIED. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, LOT'S BEEN DISCUSSED ABOUT GENERALITIES AND COMMUNITY WELFARE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE SWORN TO UPHOLD THE CITY'S MASTER PLAN AND THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT SEVERAL OF US WORKED ON YEARS AGO TO BE ADOPTED AND IMPLEMENTED. 
          AND SO, IN LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL THAT SEVERAL OF MY COMMISSIONER COLLEAGUES HAVE MENTIONED, THAT'S WHERE MY FOCUS IS. 
          AND I JUST DON'T SEE ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA BEING MET IN THIS INSTANCE. 
          SO, I MEAN, I JUST, AGAIN, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD WHEN I'VE GOT THE ORDINANCE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME AND I JUST DON'T THINK THEY'RE, IT'S SATISFIED. 
          SO AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S NO MORE FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE, ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          AND MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HARLEY. 
          ONE THING, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND I'M HAPPY TO LEAD A MOTION AS WELL, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THE OUTCOME OF THE COMMISSION'S DECISION YET, AND THAT'S WHY I WANNA SAY THIS. 
          SO, IF FOR ANY REASON THIS SUP IS DENIED, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE GOODWILL GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND PROVE US WRONG THAT THERE IS, AND, AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. 
          NOT THAT WE JOINED THE CHAMBER IN MARCH TIMEFRAME, AND THAT WE WERE A PART OF A LEMONADE DAY, AND THAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS HERE AND HERE AND HERE, BUT HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE AND HOW WE HAVE MADE A TRUE IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE PEOPLE ADVOCATING FOR GOODWILL. 
          THE NEXT TIME YOU ALL COME FORWARD, UM, HOPEFULLY THE SAME SPACE IS STILL AVAILABLE. 
          UM, AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. 
          UM, I WOULD, IF FOR ANY REASON THERE'S A DENIAL, YOU KNOW, MY POSITION, USE IT AS A CALL TO ACTION. 
          UM, AND I WANNA SEE PEOPLE ADVOCATING FOR GOODWILL SAYING, HERE'S THE IMPACT THEY'VE HAD ON MY LIFE IN THE CITY OF BERNIE AND KENDALL COUNTY. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HARLEY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT, IS THERE, COMMISSIONER HARLEY, YOU SAID YOU HAD A MOTION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO LEAD THE MOTION UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE, UM, MS. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A, A MOTION DENY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT BASED ON, UH, THE ITEMS UNDER NUMBER FOUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL NOT MEETING, UM, A, B, F, AND K. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THE MOTION IS MADE TO RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL DENY THE SUP PERMIT BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT YOU'VE JUST DELINEATED HAVE, HAVE NOT BEEN MET UNDER THE UDC CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. 
          UM, UNDER THAT CHAPTER TWO PROVISION, UM, IT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BY, I WANT TO BE SURE WHAT I SEE ON MY SCREEN IS A MOTION TO APPROVE, BUT COMMISSIONER HIGHLY HAS MADE A MOTION TO DENY. 
          SO CAN WE CLARIFY, UM, THAT BEFORE WE PROCEED TO VOTE? NO, I STILL SEE THE SAME, YOU, YOU REDID IT, BUT IT STILL SAYS MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          SO I'LL WITHDRAW THAT. 
          WE WANT TO BE SURE WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, WE CAN JUST, OKAY. 
          MOTION TO DENY NOW IT READS CORRECTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO COMMISSIONER HOS MADE THE MOTION TO DENY ON THE BASIS, UH, FOR THE REASONS STATED, COMMISSIONER BYRD, I BELIEVE, SECONDED THAT MOTION EARLIER. 
          UM, WOULD YOU MIND RE OKAY, IT'S RE SECONDED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, THEN CAST YOUR VOTE. 
          HOPEFULLY I CAN CAST MY VOTE THIS TIME. 
          UH, I STILL DON'T SEE A PLACE TO VOTE FOR ME, UM, BUT I, I, I WOULD VOTE NEGATIVE. 
          I WOULD VOTE NEGATIVE, UH, NOT IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. 
          SO MY VOTE IS NEGATIVE, SO WHATEVER SHOWS UP, BUT ELECTRONICALLY. 
          OKAY, SO NOW IT'S GONNA BE SIX, UH, FAVORED, UH, DENIAL. 
          ONE FAVORED APPROVAL. 
          SO THE MOTION TO DENY CARRIES ON A SIX TO ONE VOTE. 
          I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION AGAIN THIS EVENING, FOR COMING DOWN HERE AND TAKING TIME AWAY FROM YOUR EVERYDAY LIVES TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS, THIS ITEM AND, AND YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT BERNIE AS A COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO PRESERVE WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN COMMUNITY IN BERNIE. 
          SO, THANK YOU ALL AGAIN SO MUCH. 
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THANK YOU. 
          UH, THE NEXT ITEM, UH, WAS POSTPONED ON REQUEST OF THE APPLICANTS. 
          THERE IS NO ITEM FIVE B. 
          WE WILL THEN 
          [A. DRIVE-THRU REGULATIONS DISCUSSION.]
MOVE TO ITEM SIX A. 
          UM, ITEM SIX A IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM ON DRIVE THROUGH REGULATIONS. 
          UH, I'D ASK, UH, MR. CRANE TO INCLUDE IN THE AGENDA PACKET, UH, SOME INFORMATION ON DRIVE THROUGH REGULATIONS THAT COMMISSIONER HOTTER ACTUALLY UNCOVERED IN RESEARCHING AND DOING HIS DUE DILIGENCE FOR THE STARBUCKS SUP THAT WE RECOMMENDED THE COUNCIL APPROVE, AND IN FACT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, BUT HE ALSO INCLUDED SOME CRITERIA ALREADY THAT EXISTS IN THE CITY'S DESIGN MANUAL. 
          SO, MR. CRANE, WOULD YOU SORT OF LEAD THE DISCUSSION ON THAT AND WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER WE THINK THE EXISTING CRITERIA ARE SUFFICIENT OR IF WE'D LIKE TO REVISIT THAT AND BE MORE SPECIFIC. 
          MR. CRANE? SURE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS MENTIONED, UH, THESE ARE TWO I'LL PROVIDE FOR YOU AS A STUDY OUTTA SAN PAUL. 
          UH, ST. 
          PAUL, EXCUSE ME, UH, FOR DRIVE-THROUGHS. 
          AND ALONG WITH A COMPARISON OF OUR CURRENT, UH, DRIVE-THROUGH REGULATIONS, IF YOU COMPARE THE TWO, THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES AND STACKING SPACE. 
          WE DO HAVE A LITTLE MORE STRICT REGULATIONS AS IT RELATES TO, UM, HOW YOU COUNT SPACES AND WHERE YOU COUNT THEM. 
          UH, THE OTHER THING, UH, ONE OF THE KEY DIFFERENCES HERE THOUGH, I THINK THAT THEY RECOMMENDED, UH, CHANGES TO THEIR, UH, DEVELOPMENT CODES THAT WOULD, UH, PROHIBIT DRIVE-THROUGHS IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL WERE APPROPRIATE, LIKE DOWNTOWN AND AND SUCH. 
          SO THIS ITEM IS BEING PRESENTED FOR YOU GUYS TO DISCUSS. 
          UH, IF YOU'D LIKE US TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, TRYING TO AMEND OR LOOK AT IT, UH, SOME FURTHER WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THIS IS AN ITEM I THINK THAT'S GONNA KEEP COMING BEFORE US AND WHETHER WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SPECIFICS OF THE DESIGN MANUAL ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUAL IS CURRENTLY STATED. 
          OR IF WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A MORE DETAILED ROUTE LIKE ST. 
          PAUL DID ST. 
          PAUL MINNESOTA, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION FOR THOUGHT. 
          DON'T YOU DECIDE ANYTHING TONIGHT OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH MORE SPECIFICS OR WE THINK THIS LOOKS GOOD, OR GIVE US A FEW, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS TO THINK ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE. 
          I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. 
          YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR, UM, COMMANDMENT, IF YOU WILL MANDATE IS WE'RE, WE'RE NOT JUST THE ZONING COMMISSION, WE'RE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          SO OFTENTIMES WE GET CAUGHT UP IN RESPONDING TO ZONING CASES LIKE THE SUP THAT WE JUST, UH, DISCUSSED. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT SOMETIMES WE CAN BE PROACTIVE TOO. 
          LIKE WE WERE AT THE UDC IN, IN, YOU KNOW, PROACTIVELY TRYING TO MANAGE THIS COMMUNITY'S GROWTH AND, AND EFFECTIVELY PLAN FOR THAT. 
          SO, UM, I'M JUST WILLING TO ENTERTAIN ANY THOUGHTS OR DISCUSSION POINTS PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER FRIAR. 
          OH, YOU, I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST OH NO, I'M JUST SCROLLING MASTER. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          JUST SCROLLING IN THERE. 
          ANYONE HAVE THOUGHTS? UH, YOU WANNA JUST DIGEST THIS AND WE CAN COME NEXT MONTH AND, AND DECIDE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS OR NOT? I MEAN, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM DOESN'T NEED FIXING. 
          MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO FIX ANYTHING. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. 
          I MAY ASK A QUESTION ON THE DESIGN MANUAL IS THIS, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND WE APPROVE A DRIVE THROUGH, TYPICALLY ALL OF THIS CRITERIA WOULD ALREADY APPLY TO THE LAYOUT. 
          SO IT COULD POTENTIALLY DEPEND ON WHETHER THEY HAVE VESTED RIGHTS OR NOT. 
          HOWEVER, WE'RE HAVING SAID THAT WITH IT BEING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU CAN LOOK AT THESE CRITERIA AND APPLY IT TO A SPECIFIC PROJECT BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT TYPICAL THAT WE'RE PRESENTED WITH A DESIGN MANUAL. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, AND A DECISION, RIGHT. 
          SO CORRECT. 
          THIS WAS, UM, IT WAS KIND OF A, A BREATH OF FRESH AIR FOR ME TO SEE. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL WE DO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE. 
          I THINK THIS COULD BE HELPFUL TO CONSIDER FOR FUTURE SPECIAL USE PERMITS. 
          UM, KNOWING THAT THERE'S ALREADY SOME GUIDANCE IN PLACE. 
          THE ST. 
          PAUL PIECE, WHENEVER I FOUND IT, I WAS REALLY FOCUSED ON QUEING MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND IT'S REFERENCED IN THERE SEVERAL TIMES THAT A COFFEE SHOP CAN HAVE QUEUING OF, OF MORE THAN 15 OR 16 VEHICLES AT ONE TIME. 
          AND IF YOU WERE HERE FOR THE STARBUCKS DECISION, THAT WAS ONE THING THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, WHICH IS WHERE THAT CONCERN ORIGINATED. 
          UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, QUEUING FOR DIFFERENT BUSINESSES OR TYPES OF BUSINESSES, WHICH KINDA GIVES SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON MM-HMM . 
          OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT MARKETS COULD, COULD BE A BASELINE OF TAKING A, AN AVERAGE OR LOOKING AT THOSE VARIOUS MARKETS AND SEEING WHAT APPLIES, UM, TO ACTUALLY HELP HELP US HAVE A GUIDED DECISION, UM, WHENEVER WE'RE CONSIDERING THOSE FACTORS. 
          [01:55:01]
GOOD COMMENTS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS, THOUGHTS? ALRIGHT, UH, MR. CRANE, 
          [B. STAFF TRANSITION DISCUSSION.]
YOU'VE GOT SOME STAFF TRANSITION ISSUES. 
          UH, YOU WANTED ISSUES, BUT JUST ITEMS I SHOULD SAY. 
          GERALD, DO YOU WANT TO ANNOUNCE OR DO YOU WANT ME TO ? MS. ROGERS, WILL YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND, AND TELL US WHAT IN THE HECK YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING? MS. ROGERS, UM, IS TRANSITIONING INTO AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ROLE, NOT EVEN WITH THE CITY HERE IN BERNIE THOUGH, BUT NOT, NOT WITH THE CITY OF BERNIE. 
          SO WOULD YOU ELABORATE MS. ROGERS ON YOUR NEW SOON TO BE NEW ROLE? YES, HAPPY TO. 
          SO I WILL START WITH THE LEAVING THE CITY WAS NOT AN EASY DECISION AND IT IS VERY BITTERSWEET. 
          UM, BUT I WAS PRESENTED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO WORK FOR AMBLESIDE SCHOOL OF BERNIE AND MY, MY SON IS GOING, GOING TO BE A KINDERGARTNER THERE NEXT YEAR. 
          HE ATTENDED PRE-K LAST YEAR AND THEN MY DAUGHTER'S GONNA BE ATTENDING PRE-K. 
          SO VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO JOIN THE KIDS AND SEE THEM EVERY DAY, BUT GOING TO BE COMING ON AS THE VICE PRINCIPAL NEXT YEAR AND HELPING LEAD THE SCHOOL AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, UM, TRANSITION PLAN TO EVENTUALLY LEAD THE SCHOOL AS THE HEAD OF SCHOOL. 
          SO, VERY EXCITED. 
          IT'S A VERY BIG CHANGE. 
          UM, AND SO GOING FROM, FROM ENGINEERING TO EDUCATION, BUT I'M, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND GOING TO MISS YOU ALL. 
          IT'S BEEN SUCH A PLEASURE, UM, THE LAST SIX YEARS WORKING WITH YOU ALL. 
          UM, BUT I KNOW I'LL STILL BE IN THE COMMUNITY AND I KNOW I'LL SEE YOU ALL AROUND. 
          I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE CITY OF BURN AND YOU'RE WELL PREPARED. 
          I KNOW TO ASSUME YOUR NEW ROLE HAVING BABYSIT US FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS. 
          SO YOU ARE IN A GOOD STEAD, IN A GOOD POSITION FROM BABYSITTING TO BABYSITTING. 
          NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          BUT NO, I'M JUST GETTING TO IT. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          WE WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK. 
          AMID IS LUCKY TO HAVE YOU. 
          I HOPE THEY REALIZE HOW SPECIAL YOU ARE AND WHAT UNIQUE SKILLS AND MINDSET YOU BRING TO THAT POSITION AND HOW, HOW WELL YOU'LL DO IN THE FUTURE FOR THEM AND GROW THAT SCHOOL AND CONTINUE TO MAKE IT A BIG PART OF THE EDUCATIONAL SCENE HERE IN BERNIE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST TO FOLLOW UP, UH, WE JUST WANNA INFORM THE COMMISSION, UH, WITH, UH, CHERYL'S DEPARTURE AND, AND YOU, UH, REMEMBER ANDREW WILKINSON, HOW HE MOVED OVER TO UTILITIES. 
          UH, WE'VE LOST A COUPLE ENGINEERS IN, IN THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE ONE HIRED, UH, BUT SHE HAD A WITHDRAWAL JUST DUE TO, UH, MEDICAL REASONS. 
          UH, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE CONTRACTED WITH A, UH, FIRM, UH, FREELAND AND TUR, UH, THAT WILL HELP US OUT AND PROVIDE OUR DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERING REVIEW SERVICES, UH, FOR US. 
          UM, GARY FREELAND, HE'S GOT, UH, AT LEAST 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. 
          HE'S, UH, FAMILIAR WITH OUR CODES. 
          HE'S FAMILIAR WITH, UH, UM, HOW TO WORK WITH, UH, APPLICANTS AND SO FORTH. 
          SO HE'LL BE HELPING. 
          SO ONE THING WE'D REQUEST OF THE COMMISSION IS WITH THAT, UH, YOU, WE WON'T SEE ENGINEERING HERE AS REGULARLY AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, THAT WE NEED TO GET INPUT FROM ENGINEERING ON, WOULD YOU PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE CAN GET THAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE, UH, ISSUE, UH, THAT HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A THOUSAND ACRE MASTER PLAN AND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE THEM HERE TO HELP, UH, WITH THOSE DISCUSSIONS. 
          BUT WE JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW AND REQUEST THAT YOU, UH, GET US YOUR QUESTIONS EARLY SO WE CAN PROVIDE YOU THAT INFORMATION. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE OUR RESIDENT DPZ EXPERT. 
          YEP. 
          COMMISSIONER KATES, UM, HOPEFULLY D PC. 
          THEY'LL BE HERE. 
          HOPEFULLY ANY QUESTIONS THAT POP UP ON, ON, ON UNEXPECTED QUESTIONS THAT WE COULDN'T GET TO YOU BEFOREHAND, UH, NO ONE'S HERE TO DEVELOP TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IN DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING. 
          MR. KATES I THINK WILL PROBABLY STEP UP AND DO THAT FOR US . 
          SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KATES FOR VOLUNTEERING FOR THAT EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE? OH, WE'VE GOT, YEAH, YOU'VE GOT A NEW YES, 
          [C. INTRODUCTION OF NEW PLANNING AND ZONING ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, KYLIE NETTLES.]
LET'S DO THAT. 
          SO LET'S DO OUR NETS. 
          YES. 
          OUR INTRODUCTION OF OUR NEW, UH, PLANES AND ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, UH, KYLIE NETTLES. 
          KYLIE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          I AM VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE IN THIS POSITION WITH THE CITY AND I'VE REALLY ENJOYED MY TIME SO FAR. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE I THINK JUST OVER A MONTH, SO I'VE HAD A LOT OF FUN ALREADY AND I'VE LEARNED A LOT AND SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR BACKGROUND. 
          THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT I KNOW, SO YES, THAT IS, CAN YOU SHARE WITH THEM WHAT YOU SHARED WITH ME PLEASE? UM, SO RECENTLY I WAS A STAY AT HOME MOM AND I HAVE BEEN OFF AND ON, UM, TO THREE WONDERFUL CHILDREN AND I'VE BOUNCED AROUND A LOT OF INDUSTRIES. 
          MOST RECENTLY WAS DATA CENTER CONSTRUCTION. 
          I WORKED FOR A COMPANY BASED OUT OF ANNAPOLIS AS A MARKETING ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT. 
          WE THE VICE PRESIDENT OF BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, BUT YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING STILL APPLIES TO THE CITY. 
          IT'S BEEN A GREAT TRANSITION AND LIKE I SAID, I REALLY ENJOYED IT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          MR. CRANE'S EXCITED TO HAVE YOU. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE, NATHAN? YEAH. 
          CAN YOU FLIP THAT SLIDE FOR ME, JUST A COUPLE REMINDERS FOR YOU? OH, YES. 
          UH, NEXT WEEK IS OUR ETHICS TRAINING, ANNUAL ETHICS TRAINING HERE 
          [02:00:01]
IN THE, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT FIVE 30. 
          UH, IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THAT TML LAND USE ESSENTIAL CONFERENCE, WE MEN MENTIONED LAST TIME, PLEASE LET US KNOW AS SOON AS YOU CAN. 
          AND ALSO THE, UH, TEXAS A PA REGISTRATION IS COMING SOON. 
          I KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER KATES AND MR. BAAL, IF YOU, UH, UH, EXPRESS INTEREST IN THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IF YOU'RE STILL INTERESTED IN THOSE, IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND, PLEASE LET US KNOW. 
          THAT'S IN OCTOBER. 
          YES SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ONE THING TO ADD TO THAT IS THE CYBERSECURITY TRAINING. 
          WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT BY AUGUST 7TH, I BELIEVE. 
          YES. 
          IT, THERE'S A, UH, A FLYER ON YOUR DESK THAT HAS THAT DATE. 
          OH. 
          AND IF IT IS NOT DONE, THEY WILL CUT OFF ACCESS TO EMAIL ACCOUNTS, IPADS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          SO, UH, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU  YOU DO THAT. 
          WE HAD, YES, WE HAD SOMEBODY ELSE ON ANOTHER, UH, BOARD THAT HAPPENED TO, AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT HAPPENED? YOU CAN'T VOTE. 
          YOU CAN'T, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ALL KINDS OF FUN STUFF. 
          SO, SO IF YOU ALL HAVEN'T DONE IT BY AUGUST ONE, YOU'LL BE GETTING A CALL FROM ME, . 
          'CAUSE I, I NEED ALL OF YOU HERE AND ACTIVE AND ENGAGED. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          [7. COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION/LEGAL COUNSEL/STAFF - No discussion or action may take place]
UNDER THE COMMENTS SECTION, COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION STAFF, I MEAN, ANY COMMISSIONER BUR YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, THAT I, I REALLY BENEFITED FROM TONIGHT'S COMMENTS AND CONVERSATIONS. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO, TO SAY THAT, UH, UH, OUR, OUR CARLOS VINO WAS THAT, THAT WAS, UM, VERY WELL PUT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU. 
          VERY, VERY WELL SAID. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME, , EVEN IF WE HAVE DISPARATE OPINIONS, THAT'S FINE. 
          'CAUSE I'VE SAID THIS A TON OF TIMES, AND I CERTAINLY WILL IN THE FUTURE. 
          REASONABLE MINDS CAN DIFFER. 
          YEAH. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          BUT WE ALL HAVE THE SAME INTERESTS AT HEART. 
          ABSOLUTE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS. 
          I THINK IT, I THINK IT, UH, IT SENDS A POWERFUL MESSAGE TO THE CITY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE INDEPENDENT, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY FREE THINKERS, AND WE WILL CONSIDER EVERY LITTLE ASPECT OF WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU'VE GOTTA DO THE CYBERSECURITY TRAINING SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO BE FREE THINKERS UP HERE, . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ONE, I, I, YES, I WOULD STILL, AND I, I, I, I HATE TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE. 
          I WOULD STILL LOVE TO SEE US AT SOME POINT, TAKE UP THAT SLIDE THAT YOU CALLED UP TONIGHT. 
          AGAIN, THE, UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE Y'ALL CALLING THAT? I'M SORRY. 
          OH, THE, IT'S CALLED OUR BERNIE STRATEGY MAP. 
          STRATEGY MAP. 
          UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S USED TOO OFTEN TO GLOSS OVER AND SAY, WE KIND OF MADE UP REASONS WHY WE SAY WE WANT TO DO THIS. 
          WHEN I, I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT MAP. 
          BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS TONIGHT WAS THAT WE HAD, UH, COLLABORATED WITH THE COMMUNITY ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          FOR THE COMMUNITY WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT COLLABORATED WITH, OR THEY WOULD'VE TOLD YOU NO, IT'S NOT. 
          SO I, I WOULD JUST LIKE SOME DEFINITIONS, SOME, YOU KNOW, SO WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN A DEFINITION OF WHO IS THE CUSTOMER, IS THE CUSTOMER DEVELOPER IS, OR IS THE CUSTOMER THE, UH, RESIDENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY HERE. 
          SO I WOULD JUST LOVE FOR US TO SPEND SOME TIME ON THAT. 
          CAN WE MAKE THAT A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR NEXT MONTH, NATHAN? I MEAN, REALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, IS WE, WE'VE BROUGHT THAT TO, UH, THE PNC COMMISSION AS A COURTESY, YOU KNOW, UH, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE YOU ALL INVOLVED, UH, WITH, WITH THE PURPOSE AND THE MEANING BEHIND THE, UM, THE STRATEGY MAP, WHICH IS WHAT WE USE WITH COUNCIL TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, EVERY ITEM THAT WE BRING BEFORE THEM, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT RELATES. 
          AND THERE'S MANY ITEMS THAT WE HAVE, SPECIFICALLY OUR BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN, IN, UH, THE MIDDLE OF AT THIS TIME, THAT IT HITS EVERY ITEM ON THAT STRATEGY MAP. 
          UM, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT BASICALLY IS OUR FOUNDATION FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR PURPOSE. 
          AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DO FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO, UH, I MEAN, IF, IF MR. CRANE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO PROBLEM IN US HAVING A DISCUSSION, BUT, UH, WE ALSO, I MEAN, THERE'S, WE CAN ALSO JUST TAKE IT OUT AND NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT A PART, HAVE THAT PART OF YOUR AGENDA ITEMS, AND THAT'S NO PROBLEM AT ALL. 
          UM, WE JUST WANTED TO, TO ALLOW YOU ALL TO SEE THAT AND TO KIND OF MELD THAT PROCESS IN WITH, UH, WITH YOUR AGENDA ITEMS. SO I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROCESS. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON WHO THE CUSTOMER OR WHO WE'RE SERVING. 
          I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT. 
          I'LL JUST ADD THIS, IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT STRATEGY MAP, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT HOLISTICALLY, RIGHT? WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FOR THE ENTIRE PROCESS. 
          WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COLLABORATING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS OR, OR BUSINESSES OR OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY OR CUSTOMER SERVICE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FOR DUE PROCESS TO APPLICANTS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR PUBLIC TO INVITE THEM, GET THEM HERE, HAVING THEM ATTEND. 
          SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE ASPECT IS SOLICITING THOSE IMPACTS, UH, EXCUSE ME, SOLICITING THOSE, UH, THE INPUT 
          [02:05:01]
FROM THE, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WE VIEW IT. 
          WE DON'T VIEW IT AS, HEY, IT'S JUST THE, IT'S JUST THE APPLICANT. 
          WE VIEW IT AS A HOLISTIC, AND WE TRY TO DESIGN OUR PROCESSES AND OUR PROCEDURES TO SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          THIS IS WHY WE HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMITS AND ZONINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IS THAT WE WANT THAT PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE DO THE NOTIFICATIONS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO. 
          SO YOU HAVE, IF WE SHIFT OUR FRAME OF THOUGHT AND THINK OF IT AS A HOLISTIC PROCESS, RATHER THAN JUST ONE PERSON, YES. 
          WE ARE SERVING A RESIDENTS OF BERNIE BY BRINGING IT FOR YOU AND PROVIDING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          CHRISTIE'S, YOUR COMMENTS, WAS THIS STRATEGY MAP ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL OR IS THIS A STAFF DRIVEN MAP? I BELIEVE THEY DID. 
          I BOTH, I MEAN, WE, THE, THE STAFF PUT IT TOGETHER, BUT IT'S BASED ON, UH, THE FOCUSES AND THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES OF COUNCIL AND THEY HAVE ADOPTED IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'VE HAD A FORMAL VOTE AND ADOPTED THAT. 
          YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK MR. KATES IS SUGGESTING THAT WE CHANGE. 
          I THINK HE WOULD LIKE JUST SOME EXPLANATION AS TO SOME OF THE TERMS, WHAT, WHAT IT ALL MEANS. 
          RIGHT? I DON'T THINK HE'S SAYING DITCH IT. 
          I THINK HE'S SUGGESTING WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING I SHOULD HAVE ANY INPUT. 
          I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, IS IT A RED HERRING TO THROW THINGS THROUGH OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT IS MEANINGFUL? RIGHT. 
          SO MAYBE A PRESENTATION, JUST FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHAT THESE TERMS MEAN AND THESE CONCEPTS IS EXPRESSED ON THE PAPER WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US. 
          YEAH, WE'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          I'LL MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS. 
          YES, I, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF IN THIS, BUT WHAT I FEEL LIKE IS THAT I FEEL LIKE THE, THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED OFTENTIMES FEELS LIKE STAFF PUSHING AN APPROVAL OR AN OPINION UPON US. 
          AND, UH, AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS, I THINK IT'S VERY CONFUSING TO THE PUBLIC, JUST LIKE TONIGHT. 
          I MEAN, MY OPINION IS THAT A, A AND C DON'T APPLY BASED ON THE PUBLIC INPUT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CONFUSION IS, IS WHO IS THE, WHO IS THE CUSTOMER? AND I THINK THE PUBLIC OPINION OF WHO THE CUSTOMER IS TO THE CITY IS THE DEVELOPER. 
          THE APPLICANT. 
          AND SO I FEEL LIKE THE WAY IT'S BEING USED OR PRESENTED IS MAYBE NOT REALLY WHAT THE CITY IS INTENDING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO I, I, AND SO I'M, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW IT'S USED, HOW IT'S PRESENTED, AND WHAT IT REALLY DOES MEAN. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S, WELL, I KNOW, I DON'T THINK, I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE FEELS LIKE THE CITY STILL IS IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPER AND THE APPLICANTS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I WONDER IF IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE TERMINOLOGY IS MAYBE BEING USED. 
          SO I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN THESE PRESENTATIONS, HOW WE'RE UTILIZING THIS INFORMATION AND PORTRAYING THE INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'D BE HELPFUL, CHRISTIE, TO DO THAT. 
          I THINK NEXT MONTH. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          MR. HAR, ONE, ONE COMMENT UNRELATED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, OUR RESPONSE IS NEEDED, BUT WHENEVER, UM, YES, THE ANDREWS FAMILY WAS UP PRESENTING IN REGARDS TO BUCKY'S, UM, I HAD A MOMENT OF REALIZATION, UM, A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM B, THAT TYPICALLY WHEN AN ITEM IS PULLED OFF OF THE AGENDA, WE, UM, HOLD ON, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. 
          HOLD A SECOND COMMENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          WITHDRAWN. 
          WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT. 
          WELL, IT ISN'T, I'M HAPPY TO, NO, IT'S BEEN WITHDRAWN THOUGH, SO, BUT I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AFTER IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, THANK YOU ALL. 
          THAT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION. 
          LIKE, LIKE BILL SAID, UM, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR HEART IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND ASKING ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND, UH, I THINK MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL. 
          SEE YOU NEXT MONTH. 
          BYE. 
          YAY. 
          YOU DON'T CARE. 
          WE'RE ADJOURNED. 
          YOU'RE AUR. 
          DID HE SAY, SEE YOU.
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