Aug 05, 2025 Historic Landmark Commission on 08/05/2025 5:30 PM

UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO DISCLOSE THAT I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S ENOUGH TO RECUSE MYSELF.

ALRIGHT.

UH, THE NEXT THING IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR VISITORS AND GUESTS TO ADDRESS THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION ON ANY ISSUES.

UH, THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ANY PRESENTED ISSUE OR, UH, TAKE ANY ACTION AT ANY, UH, ISSUE AT THIS TIME.

SO, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? DOES IT APPEAR TO BE SO WE WILL CONTINUE ON,

[4. CONSENT AGENDA: All items listed below within the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the Historic Landmark Commission and may be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of items unless a Commission Member or citizen so requests, in which event the item may be moved to the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.]

UH, WITH OUR AGENDA.

ALL ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE AND, UM, MAY BE ENACTED WITH ONE MOTION.

THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF ITEMS UNLESS A MEMBER OR A CITIZEN REQUEST IN WHICH THE EVENT, THE ITEM MAY BE MOVED TO THE GENERAL ORDER OF BUSINESS.

SO OUR FIRST ONE IS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETINGS BOTH ON JULY 1ST AND JULY 16TH.

SO, IF YOU ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, I MOVED THAT WE APPROVED THE, UH, HLC MEETING MINUTES FOR JULY 1ST, 2025 AND JULY 16TH, 2025 AS PRESENTED.

ALRIGHT.

IT HAS BEEN APPROVED AS SECONDED.

ALL IN FAVOR.

AND THE MOTION HAS PASSED UNANIM.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE VERY GOOD.

NEXT ONE IS, UM, ITEM 2025 DASH 360 9.

UH, THE

[HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE(S) LOCATED AT 402 HERFF STREET.]

IT IS.

WE'RE GONNA HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES LOCATED AT 4 0 2 HEAR STREET.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS BEN SIMMONS.

I'M A PLANNER WITH THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

HERE.

I'LL BE PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM FIVE A, UH, IN RELATION TO A DEMOLITION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT 4 0 2 HERF STREET.

OUR APPLICANT IS TONY AND SHIELD.

UH, SHE IS HERE TODAY.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER AFTER THE, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, THEIR REQUEST IS TO DEMOLISH AN EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THEIR PROPERTY.

UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED OUT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THE, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS OLDER THAN 50 YEARS.

HERE'S A STREET VIEW OF THIS STRUCTURE FROM HERF STREET, UH, CURRENTLY USED AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BARN SLASH CHICKEN COOP.

UH, 645 SQUARE FEET APPROXIMATELY WITH THREE STORAGE ROOMS, AND IT'S IN GENERALLY POOR CONDITION.

UH, HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF TWO DIFFERENT ANGLES OF THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE.

HERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PHOTOS OF THE CHICKEN COOP AREA.

HERE IS THE SIDE AND BACK OF THE EX OF THE STRUCTURE.

UH, HERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT VIEWS WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT FROM HERF STREET.

I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THE STRUCTURE FROM O'GRADY DUE TO A PRIVACY FENCE.

UM, THESE SITE VISIT PHOTOS WERE TAKEN IN JUNE.

WE HAD, UH, ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER GRAVES AND, UH, PENA WITH US FOR THIS SITE VISIT, UH, FOR CITIZEN INPUT 24 NOTIFICATIONS WERE MAILED TO PROPERTIES WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

WE ALSO NOTICED IN THE BERNIE STAR, WE RECEIVED TWO WRITTEN RESPONSES, ONE OF WHICH WAS IN THE AGENDA, AND ONE OF WHICH WAS RECEIVED AFTER THE AGENDA WAS POSTED.

OUR KEY FINDINGS INCLUDE THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT A HISTORIC LANDMARK AND IT DOES NOT HAVE ARCHITECTURAL, CULTURAL OR EDUCATIONAL VALUE.

UH, OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE IF THIS REQUEST MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF UDC SECTION TWO 11 AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

UH, WITH THAT, I'LL YIELD TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION.

SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I NEED TO CLOSE IT CORRECT.

AND THEN OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC FOR ANY,

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SO WE'LL CLOSE THIS AND OPEN IT UP FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I DON'T SEE ANY, SO WE WILL BEGIN AGAIN AT 5 36.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS? DO YOU HAVE A SUMMARY FROM YOUR VISIT? UM, PRETTY MUCH WHAT HE SAID, UH, THE STRUCTURE IS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE AND, UM, IT, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE SAW WHAT YOU SAW IN THE PICTURES, SO I, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

I DON'T SEE ANY HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.

NO, NOT, NOT WITH THE, NOT WITH THE BARN.

GOTCHA.

AND I WOULD ADD THAT IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, IT'S PROBABLY A BETTER IDEA TO REMOVE IT IN A, A CONTROLLED UH, FASHION RATHER THAN HAVE IT, UH, FALL DOWN AND INJURE SOMEBODY.

SO DO WE HAVE A VOTE? WE NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR THE STRUCTURE AT, HOLD ON, I GET THE ADDRESS WRONG.

IS IT THE 4 0 2 HERF STREET? 4 0 2 HERS STREET.

THE 4 0 2 HERF STREET.

WE HAVE A MOTION IN PLACE.

WE NEED A SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER NICHOLS.

[CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT LOCATED AT 170 S MAIN STREET. (1849)]

ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.

WHAT WAS THAT? IS, UH, TO CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT LOCATED AT ONE 70 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M MATT MATTINGLY WITH SAMA.

SIR, IF YOU GIVE US JUST A MOMENT, WE'LL DO A PRESENTATION AND, AND SHOW THE, THE PROJECT.

WE'RE JUST HAVING A LITTLE TECHNICAL ISSUE, NOT AN ISSUE.

AWESOME.

WE'LL HAVE A STAFF MEMBER GIVE A LITTLE PRESENTATION.

, IT ONLY WORKS WHEN YOU DON'T NEED IT.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

SO WE'LL HAVE THE PRESENTATION FIRST AND, AND, OKAY.

SUPER.

MY NAME IS FOSTER SIMONSON.

I'M A PLANNING INTERN HERE AT THE CITY OF BERNIE, AND THIS CASE IS FOR ONE 70 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

THE APPLICANT IS THE BUSINESS 1849 WITH SAMA.

THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT AT ONE 70 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

THE REASON THIS COMES BEFORE YOU TODAY IS BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS LOADED, IS LOCATED INSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THIS IS A STREET VIEW SIGN OF A STREET VIEW OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE SIGN IS BEING PROPOSED.

THE ZONING IS C3.

THE USE IS FOR SOME EXECUTIVE OFFICE SPACE AND HISTORIC STATUS OF THE STRUCTURE IS THAT IT IS A NON-CON, IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED IN AROUND 2005.

THE PROPOSED SIGN IS SHOWN HERE.

IT'S IN A BLACK SAMSARA FONT, UH, WITH 33 SQUARE FEET, UH, IN ITS SIZE.

IT WILL, IT DOES FEATURE HALO LIT LIGHTING.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A BACKGROUND.

INSTEAD, IT WILL BE THE BACKGROUND OF THE BUILDING AS PICTURED IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

AND THE PREVIOUS DECAL, UH, DECAL OF THE WILLIAM AND THE JACKS ARE GOING TO BE PAINTED OVER AS WELL AS FOUR, UM, FOUR LIGHTS THAT WILL BE REMOVED THAT WILL, I'LL SHOW YOU HERE.

HERE IS THE DAY AND NIGHT VIEW OF THE PROPOSED SIGN OF THE 1849.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BACKGROUND IS THE SAME COLOR OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING.

AND THE FOUR SMALL LITTLE, THE FOUR SMALL LIGHTS THAT YOU SEE ABOVE THE 1849 SIGN HAVE BEEN, WILL BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS SIGN PERMIT.

STAFF ANALYSIS, UM, HAS SHOWN THAT THE SIGN MEETS THE FOLLOWING UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS, UH, FEATURING LESS THAN FOUR COLORS WITH TWO LESS THAN TWO FONTS.

AND IT IS, IT DOES, THE ILLUMINATION DOES MEET HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND THE MATERIAL DOES AS WELL.

AND WITH THIS, I YIELD MY TIME TO THE COMMISSION AND WE HAVE SANAMA HERE, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND THANK YOU.

I LIKE IT.

IT'S

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A BEAUTIFUL SIGN.

I DO WE HAVE ANY EXEMPLARS OF, UM, OTHER SIGNS THAT MIGHT, UH, BE IN THIS STYLE? I'M THINKING THE RICHTER MAYBE? MM-HMM .

THE RICHTER OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA.

THE RICHTER'S RIGHT ACROSS.

THAT'S EXACTLY LIKE THAT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.

THEN DO WE HAVE, ARE OTHER BUILDINGS, DO THEY HAVE ILLUMINATION? MM-HMM.

? WE DO HAVE SOME IN TOWN THAT ARE ILLUMINATED, YES.

SO THIS WOULDN'T BE LIKE THE ONLY ILLUMINATED WHERE NO.

MM-HMM.

I THINK MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THIS SIGN IS THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF MY FAVORITE BUILDINGS, AND BERNIE, I KNOW IT'S NOT A HISTORICAL CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, BUT I THINK IT, IT ADDS TO THE, TO THE NUANCE OF BERNIE.

AND, AND I REMEMBER WE WENT BACK AND FORTH A LONG TIME FOR HAVING THE, THE WILLIAMS SIGN PAINTED ONTO THE BUILDING JUST LIKE THE CYPRESS GRILL IS PAINTED ON BOTH SIDES.

AND THAT WAS ALWAYS A UNIQUE FEATURE THAT FITS THAT STYLE OF THAT BUILDING.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF POSSIBLE, IF WE COULD STAY WITH THAT THEME OF JUST PAINTING THE LOGO ONTO THE BUILDING AND ILLUMINATING IT WITH THE EXISTING LIGHTING THAT WE HAVE.

THAT'S MY FEELING.

I THINK THE DESIGN HERE WITH THE REVERSE LIT WHERE HALO LIT, UM, WAS TO KEEP IT MORE SUBTLE, KIND OF LIKE, I MEAN, DURING THE DAY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TELL, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IT'S PART OF THE BUILDING UP THERE LIKE IT WAS BEFORE, JUST AT NIGHT.

IT GIVES A LITTLE CLEANER LOOK RATHER THAN HAVING, UH, LIGHTING SHINING DOWN ON THE BUILDING.

WILL THE LIGHTING REMAIN FOR THE CYPRESS GRILL LOGO THAT'S ON THE BUILDING NOW? ? I THINK SO.

I THINK THEY SAID ONLY THOSE FOUR.

1, 2, 3, 4 AT THE TOP WE'RE GONNA BE REMOVED.

RIGHT.

CAN YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AS WELL? HI, MY NAME IS JAMES CHU.

I'M THE OWNER, SO Y'ALL PROBABLY KNOW THIS, BUT BERNIE WAS FOUNDED IN 1849.

SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CALL BACK TO THE HISTORY OF THE, THE CITY, THE TOWN.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KIND OF DON'T LIKE ABOUT ALL THE STUFF, IT'S KIND OF TACKY.

THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF UP THERE THAT PEOPLE REALLY DON'T SEE ON MAIN STREET.

SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE IT REALLY CRISP AND CLEAN AND REALLY CALL TO THE HISTORY OF BERNIE VERSUS JUST A LOT OF CONFUSING SIGNAGE ALONG THE WHOLE PROPERTY.

AND SO MATT AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN HELPING US WITH, EVEN DOWN BELOW WHERE JACKS, THERE'S LIKE 15 SIGNS ALL OVER THE PROPERTY MM-HMM .

AND I JUST THINK THAT'S REALLY KIND OF CLUNKY AND TACKY.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE IT REALLY SHARP.

AND SO WHEN PEOPLE PULL IN, I THINK THIS IS A HALLMARK.

I THINK IT'S A LANDMARK AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROUD TO OWN IT.

AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF DESIGNING THIS AND PUTTING IT ON THERE.

AND I THINK IT'LL BE A SUBTLE WAY TO, AS IN THE EVENINGS WHEN WE HAVE ALL THE BEAUTIFUL CHRISTMAS LIGHTS OUT, THAT TO CALL INTO THAT.

AND SO REALLY THIS IS AN EFFORT TO CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE IT LOOK SHARP AND KIND OF LESS BUSY.

I'M, I'M TRACKING THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

ARE THE, THE CYPRESS GRILL LIGHTS THAT ARE ON THE FACADE NOW, ARE THOSE LIGHTS GONNA STAY HIGHLIGHTING THOSE? NO, NO.

ALL THOSE AND IT, AND IT SHOULD BE SHOWN ON THERE, THE CYPRESS SCROLL, ALL THOSE WILL BE REMOVED AS WELL.

SO THE LIGHTS AND CYPRESS GIRL SIGNAGE WILL BE REMOVED.

OH, BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE PERMIT.

RIGHT.

SO THE DOWNLIGHTS WILL BE GONE.

CORRECT.

AND YOU'RE GONNA PAINT OVER LIKE THE SIDES, LIKE THE CYPRESS SCROLL.

UM, IF, IF IT REQUIRES, AND MAYBE I'M JUST NOT PRIVY TO THIS, IF IT REQUIRES DIFFERENT PERMIT, WE CAN APPLY FOR THAT AT DIFFERENT TIME AND WE CAN JUST APPROVE THIS HERE.

BUT THAT IS THE, THE, THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS IN THE LONG TERM.

OH, OKAY.

SO ALL OF IT WILL BE REMOVED, THE CYPRESS GRILL, THE WILLIAM, AND ALL SIX LIGHTS? CORRECT.

OKAY, GOTCHA.

CAN WE SEE THE, THE WILLIAM SIGNED PHOTO, SO THE 1849 IS, THIS IS JUST, YOU'RE NAMING THE WHOLE BUILDING? CORRECT.

UNFORTUNATELY, JACKSON IS SHUTTING DOWN.

SO JACKSON WILL STILL BE THERE.

HE HAD A STROKE.

OH.

AND SO THEY'RE DOING A, IF Y'ALL YEAH, EVERYONE SHOULD GO OVER THERE AND HELP HIM.

THEY'RE DOING A BIG SELL OFF RIGHT NOW.

OH, WOW.

HIS DAUGHTER'S HELPING OUT A LOT.

IT'S KIND OF A SAD SITUATION.

OH.

SO, SO WE'RE HELPING THEM, BUT THEY'VE GOT A BIG SELL OFF RIGHT NOW.

OH.

I JUST REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO GET THIS APPROVED FOR THE WILLIAM, UH, MR. BIRD WHEN WE WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH MR. BIRD.

AND HE WAS SO, UH, WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND HE WAS ABLE TO, TO GET

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IT PAINTED ON.

AND I JUST, I LOVE THE LOOK OF THE CYPRESS GRILL, THE WILLIAM JACKS, ALL THAT JUST PAINTED ON.

'CAUSE IT, IT FITS THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING.

UH, I THINK IF YOU PAINT OVER ALL THAT, REMOVE ALL THE LIGHTS, UM, AND JUST DO THE 1849.

I'M, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST, UH, APPROVAL FOR THIS, FOR THIS, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

CAN YOU TELL ME, IS THE 1849, IS THAT, UM, METAL? YES.

AND IS IT POWDER COATED? IT'LL BE A POWDERCOATED METAL.

THE THING THAT I STRUGGLE WITH IS THAT YOU HAVE A BUILDING, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS BUILT, BUT IT WAS BUILT IN THE, UM, UM, FRENCH REVIVAL STYLE, BUT THEN YOU'RE PUTTING, THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A SIGN ON IT THAT'S MORE ART DECO IN NATURE, AND IT IS CRISP AND CLEAN.

I JUST STRUGGLE WITH HOW IT MATCHES THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.

THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M STRUGGLING.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, SO WE USED THE LOCAL FIRM HERE MANIFESTED CALLIE, UH, ROBERSON.

AND SO SHE DID A, A PRETTY EX EXHAUSTIVE RESEARCH OF THE DIFFERENT SIGNS UP AND DOWN MAIN STREET MM-HMM .

AND TRYING TO TAKE BACK INTO SOME OF THE OLD WAR FIELD.

I MEAN, THIS IS ONLY A 20-YEAR-OLD BUILDING.

AND YES, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FRENCH QUARTER IN NEW ORLEANS, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO CALL BACK TO SOME OF THE TIME PERIOD OF WHEN BERNIE WAS FOUNDED.

SO SOME OF THE ART DECO, UM, MATCHES WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER SIGNAGE ALONG MAIN STREET.

AND THAT WAS REALLY, WE WANTED A THEME JUST TO HAVE SOME CONTINUITY.

LIKE YOU SAID, THE RICHTER ACROSS THE STREET, THEY HAVE BACKLIT SIGNS AND METAL SIGNAGE.

AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP IT REALLY COHESIVE WITH THE REST OF MAIN STREET.

UH, AND, AND RESPECTFULLY, I MEAN, AS MUCH AS THIS IS PRETTY, NO ONE DRIVING ALONG MAIN STREET LOOKS UP THREE STORIES TO SEE THESE SIGNAGE MM-HMM .

IN MY OPINION.

UM, AND WHEN IT'S THAT BUSY, I JUST DON'T THINK ANYONE EVEN KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE'VE ASKED A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE, THERE'S 20 SIGNS ON THIS BUILDING, AND IT'S REALLY CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND SO TO ME, THAT ACTUALLY PULLS AWAY FROM PEOPLE WE'RE ALL LIKE SO HYPERSENSITIVE TO HOW WE, UH, UH, CONSUME INFORMATION AND SIGNAGE TODAY.

SO WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO MAKE THIS REALLY CLEAN AND NICE.

UM, AND I THINK THE ARC DECO'S NICE, BUT OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL HAVE Y'ALL'S OPINION AS WELL.

MM-HMM.

WHICH WE RESPECT.

AND DID THEY PROVIDE MORE THAN ONE ITERATION OR DESIGN, UH, OPTION TO CHOOSE FROM OR JUST THE ONE? UM, I'M SURE THERE WAS AN ITERATIVE PROCESS, UM, BUT WE, WE, UH, KIND OF GOT TO THIS POINT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

UM, WELL, I, I EMPATHIZE WITH YOU ON, ON WANTING TO PAINT IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JAX IS MAYBE GONNA GO OUT OF BUSINESS.

YOU KNOW, I, IF YOU HAVE ONE SIGN TO DEPICT THE WHOLE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BUSINESSES COMING AND GOING THROUGHOUT.

RIGHT.

THAT IS ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT, AND Y'ALL MIGHT BE AWARE OF THIS, BUT THE, THE WILLIAM HOTEL, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE SHUT IT DOWN.

AND SO THE WILLIAMS GOING AWAY AND WE'RE TURNING THAT INTO EXECUTIVE OFFICE SPACES.

UH, WHICH HAD BEEN A HUGE HIT SO FAR MM-HMM .

UM, AND SO THAT'S, I MEAN, A LOT OF THIS IS AS YOUR POINT.

UH, IT, I THINK IT'LL MAKE A COHESIVE NAME FOR THE PROJECT, FOR THE, FOR THE TOWN, FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING.

BUT NOW IT'S NOT AS MUCH ABOUT, DEPENDING ON WHAT BUSINESSES ARE THERE MM-HMM .

AND, AND THE SIGNAGE UP THERE, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM.

YES.

DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

UM, UH, FOR REPAINTING, AS LONG AS IT'S BEING PAINTED THE SAME COLOR THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THIS BODY, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THAT.

A, UM, COA IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THE REMOVAL OF SIGNS EITHER.

UH, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT TONIGHT.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THEM? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SIGN LOCATED AT ONE 70 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

UM, OKAY.

MOTION HAS, I WILL SECOND.

IS THAT, REDO THAT? YEAH.

YOU CAN DO THAT.

SO A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED IT.

WE NEED TO VOTE.

I HAVE TO DO THIS.

DID YOU VOTE? YOU HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN.

SORRY.

I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO VOTE, RIGHT? OR DO I, UH, IF IT LETS YOU, IF IT LETS, IT HAS BEEN LETTING ME, SO THE SYSTEM HAS THE BILL.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW.

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ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, DISCUSSION ITEMS ON BOARD TRAINING FOR THE HISTORIC LANDMARK AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT PROGRAM.

IF THERE'S A TIE, THEN IT WILL OKAY.

IT WILL LET YOU, OKAY.

[BOARD TRAINING: HISTORIC LANDMARK AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT PROGRAM]

IF THE COMMISSION'S FINE WITH IT, UH, I'D RATHER SIT WHILE DOING THIS ONE.

MY KNEE HAS BEEN GIVING ME ISSUES RECENTLY, SO , IF Y'ALL ARE ALL RIGHT.

IF WHAT, IF Y'ALL ARE ALL RIGHT WITH ME SITTING WHILE I TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS? SURE.

OKAY, PERFECT.

PLEASE APPRECIATE THAT.

ALRIGHT, SO, UH, I FIGURED TONIGHT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO BRING UP A FEW PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, WITH OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION GROUP, SINCE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW MEMBERS.

AND WE DID HAVE SOME RECENT CHANGES TO ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS. SO, UH, FIRST WE'RE JUST GONNA DO A LITTLE LIGHT BACKGROUND ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1985.

THERE'S 166 PROPERTIES SPANNING THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER A MILE, THE HILL COUNTRY MILE.

UM, WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IMPROVEMENT GRANT.

IT IS A REIMBURSEMENT GRANT FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THIS DISTRICT ON A SLIDING SCALE.

UH, THIS BEGAN IN 2012 AND SINCE THEN, 33 GRANTS HAVE BEEN ISSUED, UH, TOTALING OVER $200,000, UM, HAVE BEEN, UH, HAVE BEEN GRANTED TO THE COMMUNITY INSIDE THIS DISTRICT.

AND IT WAS RECENTLY UPDATED ON JULY 22ND.

SO THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE HERE, UH, IN MARCH MAY REMEMBER THAT YOU VOTED TO APPROVE A FEW CHANGES.

SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT 'EM TONIGHT.

GO OVER THE GRANT PROGRAM AND THEN THE LANDMARK.

SO THE FIRST THING THAT WAS CHANGED, THERE WAS TWO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE GRANT PROGRAM.

THE FIRST WAS THE NAME.

SO PREVIOUSLY IT WAS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, THE, UH, HDIP, AND NOW IT IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT.

UM, THIS IS STILL A MATCHING PARTIAL REIMBURSEMENT GRANT.

UH, THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

OR THE OTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IS THAT IF IT'S NOT LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT NEEDS TO BE A HISTORIC LANDMARK AND THEN IT CAN BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE FUNDS.

QUALIFYING IMPROVEMENTS, UH, ARE THE SAME AS THEY WERE, BUT THEY INCLUDE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, ROOF REPAIRS, REPLACEMENTS, A DA IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS ADDING ELEVATORS, RESTROOMS, MAKING 'EM A DA COMPLIANT WIDENING DOORWAYS, SO THEY'RE MORE COMPLIANT FOR WHEELCHAIRS, ET CETERA.

UM, BUILDING AND FIRE CODE IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS WIRING AND SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, WHICH CAN GET COSTLY FOR HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND OF COURSE ARE IMPORTANT FOR SAFETY SO THAT WE HAVE 'EM FOR ANOTHER A HUNDRED YEARS.

ALRIGHT, SO WHEN A HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT IS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT IS REVIEWING IT, UH, AGAINST THIS LITTLE SPREADSHEET HERE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A MINIMUM OF 20 POINTS.

UM, IF THEY MEET THAT THRESHOLD OF 20 POINTS, THEN WE BRING IT HERE TO HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION.

SO, UH, WE ARE VERIFYING TO MAKE SURE THEY MEET IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, A IS WHETHER IT'S CONTRIBUTING OR NOT CONTRIBUTING OR HOW HIGH OF A LEVEL IT'S CONTRIBUTING, UM, THE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT THAT THEY ARE DOING AND THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE PROJECT.

SO THE BIGGER THE PROJECT, THE HIGHER IT SCORES AND THE POINTS.

UM, NOW AS I MENTIONED, THEY HAVE TO SCORE A MINIMUM OF 20 TO COME HERE BEFORE THIS BOARD, BUT THE BOARD IS NOT BEHOLDEN TO THIS.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO, UM, JUDGE IT BASED ON THIS CRITERIA.

THIS IS TO MEET A MINIMUM THRESHOLD TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR A DECISION.

SO HERE IS THE GRANT AMOUNT.

SO IF THE PROPOSED PROJECT BUDGET IS BETWEEN ZERO AND $24,999, IT IS A UP TO A ONE-TO-ONE MATCH FOR THE 5001ST 5,000.

AND OVER THE 5,000, THE MAXIMUM IS 5,000.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS, IF IT IS A $4,000 PROJECT, THEY CAN BE AWARDED A MAXIMUM OF A 4,000, EXCUSE ME, A $2,000

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GRANT.

IF THEY'RE DOING A $20,000 PROJECT, THEY CAN GET A MAXIMUM OF A $5,000 GRANT.

NOW, I SAY MAXIMUM BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

IF THEY REQUEST 5,000, THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR UP TO 5,000.

THIS BOARD CAN APPROVE 'EM FOR 4,000, 2,500, $5, MAYBE NOT FIVE, BUT YOU COULD THEORETICALLY DO THAT.

UM, UH, THIS IS A SLIDING SCALE, SO THE LARGER THE PROJECT, THE MORE THAT CAN BE AWARDED.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR MORE, THEY CAN RECEIVE THE MAXIMUM OF $14,500.

NOW, THIS BECOMES IMPORTANT BECAUSE EVERY YEAR WE HAVE A DIFFERENT ALLOCATION IN OUR BUDGET FROM COUNCIL.

UH, THIS YEAR I BELIEVE IT'S $35,000.

UH, AS OF NOW WE ARE ABOUT TO SPEND 5,000.

UM, IF YOU RECALL EARLIER THIS YEAR, YOU DID APPROVE A $5,000 GRANT.

UM, THEY DID SUBMIT THEIR REIMBURSEMENT LAST WEEK AND WE WERE SET TO DO INSPECTIONS AND HOPEFULLY REIMBURSE THEM BEFORE THE NEXT HLC MEETING.

SO THAT'S GOOD.

UM, A FEW OTHER THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT.

UM, THEY CAN'T OWE ANY MONEY TO THE CITY.

THIS IS TAXES, UTILITIES, LIENS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, THE PROJECT IS INSPECTED BY STAFF THREE TIMES, SO WE GO OUT AND WE INSPECT IT AT THE TIME OF COMPLETION.

UH, AS I MENTIONED, FOR THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED THIS YEAR, WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND DO AN INSPECTION.

WE ALSO INSPECT INSPECTED AFTER ONE YEAR.

SO, UH, LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WAS, OH, I'M BLANKING.

WE APPROVED ONE GRANT LAST YEAR AS WELL.

UM, AND SO WE'RE SET TO DO AN INSPECTION OF THAT SHORTLY AS WELL.

AND THEN WE DO A YEAR THREE INSPECTION.

THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, SO THE MONEY YOU'RE GIVEN 14 FIVE EVERY YEAR, AND IF IT DOESN'T ALL RATE 14,500, THAT'S WHAT YOU APPROVE? THAT'S THE MAX THAT CAN BE USED EVERY YEAR? UM, OR IS IT A ONE TIME? IT'S, IT'S A ONE TIME REIMBURSEMENT GRANT.

SO IF YOU RECEIVED A GRANT, OH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE THAT WE'VE PROCESSED THIS YEAR WAS FOR A WINDOW REPLACEMENT.

IT WAS ABOUT $11,000.

UM, PROJECT, THEY RECEIVED A GRANT FROM Y'ALL FOR 5,000.

SO NOW THAT THEY HAVE FINISHED THE WORK, THEY'VE SUBMITTED ALL OF THE RECEIPTS, EVERYBODY'S BEEN PAID, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THE WORK WAS DONE, AND THEN THEY'LL GET THE $5,000.

THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT FOR A MINIMUM OF ONE YEAR, AND THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ANY OTHER GRANT MONEY FOR THREE FULL YEARS.

SO IT'S PER APPLICANT IS A MAXIMUM OF 14,005? YES.

GOTCHA.

FOR PER APPLICANT AND PER PROPERTY.

SO IF, YEAH.

SO IF YOU WERE DOING A, UM, UM, INCREMENTAL, UM, RENOVATION ON YOUR PROPERTY, YOU COULD BE ELIGIBLE REGARDLESS OF IF THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD OR IF THERE'S MULTIPLE BUSINESSES AND DIFFERENT BUSINESSES APPLIED FOR IT.

THE PROPERTY IS ONLY ELIGIBLE FOR ONE GRANT EVERY THREE YEARS.

IF THE, SO LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

IF THE APPLICANT OWNS MORE THAN ONE PROPERTY, CAN THE APPLICANT APPLY FOR A GRANT FOR A DIFFERENT PROPERTY? IS IT'S TIED DIRECTLY JUST TO THE PROPERTY, NOT THE APPLICANT, RIGHT? CORRECT.

THAT YOU HAVE PER YEAR TO GIVE AWAY? THERE IS.

YEAH, SO IF YOU OWNED FOUR PROPERTIES THAT WERE LANDMARKS OR WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU CAN APPLY FOR EACH OF THEM SEPARATELY WITHIN THAT YEAR.

IS THE HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION GRANT, IS THAT OUTLINED IN THE UDC? SO IT IS NOT CODIFIED IN THE UDC INSTEAD? IT IS, UM, THROUGH RESOLUTION FOR COUNCIL.

SO IT IS, UH, IT IS A BUDGETED PROGRAM, BUT IT'S NOT INSIDE OUR CODE OF ORDINANCE.

IS IT ACCESSIBLE ONLINE? SO I LOVE THAT YOU ASKED THAT.

WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT IT IN A MINUTE.

UM, WE HAVE SOME NEW COLLATERAL INFORMATION AND AN UPDATED APPLICATION, AND WE ARE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF A WEBSITE RELAUNCH FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

SO WE'RE GONNA GET ALL THAT INFORMATION ON THERE.

UM, I BELIEVE AT EACH OF YOUR D YOU RECEIVED A FLYER, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY, PERFECT.

OH, NO, NO.

OH, FOSTER IS GONNA BE PASSING IT OUT HERE.

UH, .

SO WE HAVE SOME UPDATED, UM, UH, FLYERS, MARKETING COLLATERAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING ONLINE AND GETTING PROFESSIONALLY PRINTED AND DISTRIBUTED.

AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS, WE'LL GIVE SOME TO Y'ALL AS WELL FOR SHARING WITHIN YOUR CIRCLES.

UM, YES, MA'AM.

IS THERE, IS THERE, SO THERE'S NOT A MAXIMUM

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THERE IS, THAT'S THE, IS THAT THE 35 THIS YEAR, CORRECT? MM-HMM .

CORRECT.

EVERY YEAR, UM, CITY COUNCIL SETS A BUDGET, AND THIS IS A COMPONENT OF THAT BUDGET.

SO YOU'RE GIVING, YOU HAVE 35 THIS YEAR AND YOU'RE GIVING FIVE AWAY MM-HMM .

SO THAT LEAVES 30.

AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT MONEY IF NOBODY ELSE APPLIES OR, OR GETS APPROVED? SO IT DOES NOT ROLL OVER INTO NEXT YEAR.

SO ESSENTIALLY, IF THAT GRANT MONEY IS NOT AWARDED THIS YEAR, UM, IT GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND GETS, UM, EXCUSE ME, GETS, UM, ASSIGNED AS COUNSEL SEES FIT.

SO WE ONLY SPENT 5,000.

WE'VE SPENT, I MEAN, WE'VE ONLY GRANTED $5,000 THIS YEAR, SO SOME YEARS WE DO, UH, PROVIDE MORE GRANTS THAN OTHERS.

SO WE HAVE MAXED OUT THE, THE, UH, THE PROGRAM BUDGET IN THE PAST, UM, SEVERAL TIMES.

UH, PART OF THE REASON WE ASKED Y'ALL IN CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE CHANGES TO THIS PROGRAM WAS TO ALLOW MORE PROPERTIES TO BE ELIGIBLE MM-HMM .

SO NOW, INSTEAD OF JUST BEING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S LANDMARKS AS WELL.

BUT WE'VE ONLY SPENT 5,000.

5,000.

IS THERE A WAY TO CHANGE THAT SO THAT IT STAYS WITHIN THE HISTORIC LANDMARK? LIKE SO THAT, SO IT DOES CONTINUE TO ROLL OVER THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE, UH, COULD BE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE? UM, THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE ATYPICAL FOR HOW THE BUDGET USUALLY WORKS.

UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL IS TYPICALLY VERY SUPPORTIVE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, AND HAVE, HAVE FUNDED, UH, THIS GRANT PROGRAM, UM, SINCE IT WAS CREATED IN 2012.

SO YEAH, EVERY YEAR.

WILL THERE BE, IS THERE, UM, CONSIDERATION, WILL THERE BE, UH, WHEN THE UDC IS UP FOR REVISION? UM, WILL THIS BE PUT INTO THE UDC? UM, JUST TO, UH, FOR CONSISTENCY WITH, UH, OTHER LAND USE, UM, REGULATIONS, UH, INCREASE LIKE TRANSPARENCY, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED.

THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS TO KEEPING IT OUTSIDE OF THE CODE, CODE OF ORDINANCE, SPECIFICALLY THE UDC.

UM, WITH, WITH THE CODE OF ORDINANCE, ANY CHANGES THAT HAPPEN, UM, FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS TO GO BEFORE THIS BOARD, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL.

SO IT MAKES EVERYTHING TAKE LONGER.

UM, ADDITIONALLY WITH THE UDC, WE CAN ONLY AMEND IT, UH, TWICE A YEAR.

SO THAT IS, THAT'S A CONSTRAINT AS WELL.

AND HAVING IT, UM, AS A SEPARATE PROGRAM LEAVES MORE ROOM FOR FLEXIBILITY TO IT.

SO WE CAN BE MORE RESPONSIVE TO CHANGES IF NECESSARY.

OF COURSE, ANY CHANGES STILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL, BUT IT MAKES, UM, IT, IT GIVES THIS COMMISSION MORE ABILITY TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THAT.

SO, 'CAUSE WITH THE HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION GRANT, UH, Y'ALL ARE THE APPROVING BODY.

SO WHEN SOMEONE COMES HERE ASKING FOR A GRANT AND YOU APPROVE IT, YOU'RE THE FINAL STEP.

IF THEY COME AND YOU DENY IT, YOU'RE THE FINAL STEP.

THERE IS NO APPEAL TO YOUR DENIAL.

WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN FROM, UH, SOMEWHERE ON THE HISTORIC MILE AND THEY COME IN FOR A, UH, PERMIT, A BUILDING PERMIT OR WHATEVER, ARE THEY GIVEN LIKE KNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A GRANT OUT THERE? SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY WANNA IMPROVE ON.

WE, WE REALLY DO.

WE WANNA BE MORE TRANSPARENT AND OPEN WITH IT.

SOMETHING, UM, TO KNOW WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN AND READY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, UM, THEY'RE READY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.

UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED BY Y'ALL BEFORE THEY START WORK.

SO WE ACTUALLY WANNA GET OUT BEFORE THAT PHASE, BEFORE THEY APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AND, AND LET THEM KNOW SO THEY'RE NOT POSTPONED, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE UP TO FOUR WEEKS OR EVEN SIX WEEKS SOMETIMES, DEPENDING ON, UM, WHEN THIS COMMISSION IS MEETING.

SO WE, WE WANNA GET AHEAD OF THAT AND WORK WITH LIKE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND TALKING ABOUT OPENING NEW BUSINESSES AND DOING RENOVATION, LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT THIS GRANT PROGRAM.

UM, WE ARE CLOSE PARTNERS WITH THE CHAMBER, OR EVEN GIVEN ONE OF THESE TO EVERYBODY ON THE MM-HMM .

HISTORIC MILE.

YOU KNOW, SO IT'S LIKE THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON IT NOW, BUT MAYBE, BUT IN THE FUTURE THEY'LL KNOW YEAH.

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THAT THEY HAVE IT.

BUT IT'S LIKE GIVING, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, UH, HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE? 166.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YEP.

SO IT'S LIKE 166 AND YOU BLANKET THE MILE MM-HMM .

AND THEN EVERYBODY'S AWARE.

UM, THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION.

ANOTHER GREAT SUGGESTION.

AND PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THROUGH THE RETAILERS ASSOCIATION AS WELL.

UH, HERE IS, THIS IS, UM, ALSO ON THE FLYER YOU JUST RECEIVED.

UH, BUT THIS IS THE OVERVIEW OF HOW THE GRANT PROGRAM WORKS.

UM, MEET WITH STAFF, UH, TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT, MAKE SURE IT'S ELIGIBLE, UM, SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

WE'RE GONNA CHECK IT, MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD AND IT'S ELIGIBLE.

THEN IT WILL COME BEFORE Y'ALL FOR YOUR DECISION.

UM, IF APPROVED, THEY HAVE TO, UH, GET THEIR REQUIRED PERMITS, GET AN INSPECTION, ALL THE NORMAL STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO DO WHEN DOING ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION WORK IN SIDE CITY LIMITS.

AND THEN ONCE THE WORK IS COMPLETE, THEY SUBMIT A REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

WE DO AN INSPECTION OF IT AND WE ISSUE THE FUNDS ONCE THEY MEET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

NICE.

OKAY, THEN I WANT TO BRING UP HISTORIC LANDMARKS A LITTLE AS WELL.

SO SINCE THE GRANT PROGRAM HAS NOW EXPANDED TO LANDMARKS, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE LOT EITHER.

UH, WE, WE HAD ONE LANDMARK THAT WAS APPROVED, I THINK WAS LAST YEAR.

UM, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WHILE I'VE BEEN HERE.

SO I'LL LEAN ON Y'ALL FOR THAT ONE.

UM, BUT WHAT IS A HISTORIC LANDMARK? IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY THAT'S RECOGNIZED FOR ITS HISTORICAL, ARCHITECTURAL OR CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.

UM, IT'S NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

IT CAN BE LOCATED ANYWHERE INSIDE CITY LIMITS.

UH, AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BENEFITS? SO IT'S GOING TO PROTECT AND HONOR THE PROPERTY'S HISTORIC VALUE.

SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, ONCE A PROPERTY IS A LANDMARK, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS PROCESS.

SO IT'S GOING TO PROTECT THAT EXTERIOR, UM, UM, ENVELOPE OF THE STRUCTURE AND, AND MAKE SURE IT'S MAINTAINED.

UH, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PROPERTY INSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO HELP STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITY'S CHARACTER AND SENSE OF PLACE.

AND NOW THERE ARE POTENTIAL FINANCIAL INCENTIVES AND FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THIS GRANT PROGRAM.

SO WHAT DOES THIS PROCESS LOOK LIKE? SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LONGER PROCESS THAN THE GRANT.

UH, THIS IS ON THE BACKSIDE OF YOUR FLYER.

SO THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO DO THEIR RESEARCH, GATHER ALL THE HISTORIC INFORMATION OF THE PROPERTY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN SUPPORT, UM, AND PROVIDE ASSISTANCE WITH THEM.

UH, ANY PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S INTERESTED IN BECOMING A LANDMARK, UM, THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, IT GETS PRESENTED TO Y'ALL AND Y'ALL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

THEN IT HAS TO GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THEY NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY, UH, IT WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, WHERE THEY WILL MAKE A DECISION IF IT IS APPROVED, THEY'LL GET A LITTLE LANDMARK.

UM, UM, PLAQUE.

PLAQUE, THANK YOU.

YOU , THAT THEY CAN ATTACH TO THEIR STRUCTURE AND FOREVERMORE BE A HISTORIC LANDMARK IN THE CITY OF BERNIE.

SO BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE THESE STEPS, IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

UM, AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO, TO GET SOME MORE PROPERTY INTERESTED IN THIS.

SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS A PROPERTY THAT YOU KNOW MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN QUALIFYING FOR THIS, WE WOULD LOVE TO MEET WITH THEM AND TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS AND HELP THEM THROUGH IT.

LOVE THE IDEAS THAT WE ARE HEARING TONIGHT ABOUT WORKING AND GOING DIRECTLY ALONG THE HILL COUNTRY MILE.

ALRIGHT.

SO COMING NEXT, UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE UPDATING, UH, THE WEBSITE AND PROVIDING A NEW PAGE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PAGE FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ONE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

SO SOMETHING ELSE WE WANNA ADD ONTO THAT IS, UH, THE HISTORIC SURVEY INFORMATION, UM, THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE USE AS STAFF WHEN WE'RE LOOKING UP AND, UM, WRITING STAFF ANALYSIS AND GUIDING PEOPLE.

SO WE WANNA MAKE THAT MORE TRANSPARENT AND PUBLICLY AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON PUTTING THAT IN OUR PUBLIC FACING JIS LAYERS, WHICH PERSONALLY I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT.

UM, WE ARE ALSO, UH, WITH THIS UPDATED MATERIAL THAT Y'ALL HAVE, UH, ONCE THAT LANDING PAGE GETS UPDATED, WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THE QR CODES AND WE'RE GONNA GET THIS STUFF PROFESSIONALLY PRINTED.

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SO WE WILL ADD THAT INTO OUR APPROACH AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE NEXT MONTH ON WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

YES, MA'AM.

FOR THE, UH, FOR PEOPLE THAT APPLY FOR A, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID ANYWHERE IN THE CITY LIMITS FOR HISTORIC, UH, LANDMARK, HOW IS, HOW IS THAT ANY, IS HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT? OR IS THERE WITH LIKE UPDATING, UM, OUR INFORMATION? DO YOU WORK WITH THE COUNTY CONEL COUNTY HISTORIC SOCIETY? 'CAUSE THEY DO MEDALLIONS PLACARDS AS WELL FOR KENDALL COUNTY, OR I MEAN, SORRY, KENDALL COUNTY.

I, I HELPED WITH ONE FOR COUNTY IN THE PAST.

THAT'S WHY MY MIND WAS STUCK ON THAT.

UM, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

UH, PERSONALLY I'VE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY YET TO WORK WITH THEM MUCH.

UM, YOU DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE ON YOUR BOARD NOW, UH, .

SO THAT'S JUST, JUST TO LIKE, TO LIKE AVOID DUPLICATING EFFORTS, MAYBE TAPPING INTO RESOURCES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.

YEAH, THAT'S GREAT QUESTIONS.

UM, IF IT'S INSIDE CITY LIMITS THOUGH, AND THAT'S AN EFFORT THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, WE WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE, UM, A CITY OF BERNIE HISTORIC LANDMARK.

THAT WAY THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS GRANT AND WE'LL HAVE THAT, THAT PROTECTION OF THE COA SYSTEM AS WELL.

AND IF SOMEBODY IS GRANTED, UM, A HISTORIC LANDMARK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT IN ONE OF OUR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANT AREAS, UM, IF WE HAD TO VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE SAY THEY'RE, THEY WANTED TO, SOMEONE WANTED TO DEMOLITION A PROPERTY THAT WAS, HAS, UM, A LANDMARK MEDALLION OR PLACARD, UM, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE DECISION? DOES IS THAT CHANGE IT TO HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN THAT REGION OF THE CITY THAT'S CONSIDERED HISTORIC? YES.

SO IF IT IS A LANDMARK, THAT MEANS IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED BY THIS GROUP AND CITY COUNCIL TO BE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UM, A DEMOLITION PROCESS NOTING THAT IT IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, SO WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL.

UH, IT'S, IT'S WORTH NOTING, UM, THAT ANY STRUCTURE THAT'S OVER 50 YEARS OLD ANYWHERE INSIDE CITY LIMITS REQUIRES APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD PRIOR TO DEMOLITION.

SO EVEN IF IT'S, IF IT'S ON OAK PARK AND IT'S MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD, IT WILL HAVE TO COME HERE FOR YOUR DECISION.

IF IT DOES HAVE A HISTORIC MARKER, WHETHER IT'S A LOCAL STATE, A NATIONAL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR ANALYSIS AND OUR RESEARCH, WE WILL BE PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION TO YOU SO THAT YOU HAVE A FULL SCOPE OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROPERTY WHEN MAKING YOUR DECISIONS.

AWESOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM US OR WE'RE WE ARE NOW TRAINED .

YOU ARE NOW TRAINED .

VERY GOOD.

YOU AND I HAVE MARCHING ORDERS, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR INPUT.

I DO, I DO REALLY, UM, APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON BEST WAYS TO GET THESE PROGRAMS OUT.

ULTIMATELY.

UM, THIS IS Y'ALL'S PROGRAM AND WE ARE, WE ARE AN ARM, UM, JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR VISION IS HAPPENING ON IT.

SO THANK YOU.

SO IF, IF A BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, ON MAIN STREET, 'CAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE LOOKING A LITTLE WORN AND EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE A VERY OLD BUILDING, THEY COULD STILL APPLY FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE HISTORIC THAT IS CORRECT.

EVERY PROPERTY INSIDE THE HISTORIC ISPA OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO.

YEP.

AS LONG AS THEY DON'T OWE THE CITY ANY MONEY AND THEY MEET THE, UM, IT'S AN ELIGIBLE, UH, UH, PROJECT.

SO EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT MM-HMM .

AND, UM, IT'S, UH, A COST THAT'S SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT IT.

THEY HAVE TO MAKE, THEY HAVE TO EARN THE POINTS.

SO IF SOMEBODY CAME IN WITH A REQUEST JUST TO REDO THEIR SIGN BECAUSE IT'S FADED, IT MAY NOT MAKE THE THRESHOLD OF 20 POINTS THAT IS NOT GOING TO READ THE THRESHOLD OF 20 POINTS.

IT IS NOT, THAT'S NOT A SIGN.

IT'S GONNA BE ARCHITECTURALLY MM-HMM .

THIS THE EXTERIOR AND DO I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, IT'S NOT INTERIOR WORK.

EXCEPT FOR BATHROOMS OR ELEVATORS.

AND THEY NEED NEW WINDOWS.

LIKE THAT'S THAT THE WINDOWS, THAT'S A VERY COMMON USE OF THIS GRANT ACTUALLY.

BATHROOMS AND ELEVATORS.

THAT WOULD BE THE EXCEPTION TO IT.

SO YOU COULDN COULDN'T USE IT FOR LIKE INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT WEREN'T TO MEET BUILDING CODE, FIRE CODE OR ADA A ACCESSIBILITY.

AND THOSE, THOSE ARE COVERED AT 50% OR DO YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S NOT

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A LIMIT TO THAT.

SO IF, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

GO BACK TO THAT.

SO I'M THINKING OF THE PIXIE, YOU'RE THINKING OF WHAT? I'M SORRY.

THE PIXIE.

VERY OLD BUILDING MM-HMM .

AND I'M LIKE, THEY WOULD NEED AN ELEVATOR IN THERE AND I'M THINKING, WHAT WOULD THAT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? LIKE I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IS THAT YOU? IT'S NOT A PERCENTAGE THING.

NO.

SO IF THEY BASED OFF THE COST.

OH, THE COST.

SO THE PROJECT COST NOT, UH, SO IF THEY WERE INVESTING, I MEAN AN ELEVATOR'S GONNA BE KIND OF EXPENSIVE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

IT'S, YEAH, YEAH.

SO IF THAT'S GONNA BE, IF THEY WERE INVESTING, LET'S SAY THAT'S GONNA BE $55,000 FOR THE ELEVATOR, THEN THEY WOULD GET THE 10 POINTS.

UM, BECAUSE IT'S AN A DA UM, IMPROVEMENT, THEY WOULD GET EIGHT POINTS FOR THAT.

UH, IT'S CONTRIBUTING.

LET'S, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CONTRIBUTING, UH, STRUCTURE STATUS IS, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SO IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING.

SO THAT WOULD BE 22 POINTS.

SO THEY WOULD QUALIFY TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR YOU TO DECIDE.

AND THIS DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT THIS DOESN'T PRECLUDE THEM FROM RECEIVING GRANT MONEY FROM OTHER SOURCES.

FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY THE A DA HAS A GRANT AS WELL, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY STACK THEIR GRANT MONEY AND THAT SHOULD BE FINE, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION, LEGAL COUNSEL STAFF.

YEP.

THEY'RE GONNA NEED IT.

[6. COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION/LEGAL COUNSEL/STAFF – No discussion or action may take place.]

UM, WE HAVE CYBERSECURITY TRAINING.

DEADLINE IS AUGUST 8TH.

OUR ETHICS TRAINING DEADLINE IS AUGUST 11TH.

AND THE TEXAS A PA CONFERENCE IS GOING TO BE OCTOBER 21ST AND 22ND IN BRIAN COLLEGE STATION.

WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY? YES.

SO LET ME GO OVER EACH OF THOSE A LITTLE BIT.

SO THE CYBERSECURITY TRAINING IS DUE ON THE EIGHTH.

IF YOU DO NOT COMPLETE YOUR CYBERSECURITY TRAINING, YOU'LL BE LOCKED OUT OF ALL OF OUR EVERYTHING.

YOU'LL BE LOCKED OUTTA YOUR INTERNET.

UH, INTERNET, EXCUSE ME, LOCKED OUTTA YOUR EMAIL.

SO , MAKE SURE YOU DO IT.

IT'S, IT'S READY.

IT'S, UH, FAIRLY SHORT.

IT WILL TAKE YOU ABOUT 30 MINUTES OR SO.

YEAH, IT'S MY HARD, UM, WE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH IT AFTER THIS IF YOU WANT.

SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY CHILL.

UM, THE ETHICS TRAINING, UH, ACTUALLY CONGRATULATIONS.

WE HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE SHOW UP TO THE ETHICS TRAINING THAT WE HAD A QUORUM.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING IN PERSON IN JULY.

UM, IF YOU, UH, HAVE NOT DONE SO YET, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU COMPLETE YOUR AFFIDAVIT WITH MS. KYLIE OVER THERE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE COMPLETED IT.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS DUE VERY SHORTLY.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL TOUCH BASE ON THAT AFTER THIS.

THE TEXAS A PA CONFERENCE IS THE TEXAS AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE.

SO IT'S AN ANNUAL CONFERENCE, UM, FOR PLANNERS AND PLANNING, UM, PROFESSIONALS, ELECTED STAFF, AND APPOINTED, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT PLANNING IN THE BROADER COMMUNITY.

SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT, UM, CASE STUDIES THAT WILL BE PRESENTED, DIFFERENT BREAKOUT SESSIONS WHERE YOU CAN LEARN ABOUT, UH, WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING, UM, FROM, FROM ANYTHING IN THE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, INCLUDING HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND SUSTAINABILITY.

AND SO THIS YEAR IT IS IN BRYAN SLASH COLLEGE STATION.

I THINK A LOT OF THE STUFF IS AT KYLE FIELD.

UM, SO IT'S BOUND TO BE INTERESTING.

YEAH, .

OKAY, COOL.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

UM, THE, THE HOTEL ROOMS, EVEN THOUGH IT IS IN COLLEGE STATION, THERE'S LOTS OF HOTELS, UH, EVERYTHING DOES BOOK UP PRETTY QUICK.

IT IS A PRETTY WIDELY ATTENDED CONFERENCE AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR EVERYBODY.

AND FRANKIE, JUST A SIDE NOTE, I DID REACH OUT TO, UM, THE CONFERENCE CENTER WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY BEING HELD THERE ACTUALLY ALREADY INTO THEIR OVERFLOW AT A DIFFERENT HOTEL.

STILL A VERY NICE ONE.

I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN THERE MYSELF, UM, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY KIND OF INTO THEIR OVERFLOW AT THIS POINT.

SO DEFINITELY KIND OF TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR GETTING THE HOTELS BOOKED.

AND IT'S FOOTBALL SEASON IN COLLEGE STATION.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA FILL UP PRETTY QUICK 'CAUSE OF THAT TOO.

GOOD POINT.

, THAT'S GOOD.

CAN I GET THE EMAIL OR THE WEB ADDRESS FOR THE ETHICS TRAINING? UH, YES, WE'LL CONNECT YOU WITH IT.

YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT'S AN EMAIL, BUT YEAH, IT'S AN, IT'S AN EMAIL AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE AN AFFIDAVIT SAYING YOU PARTICIPATED IN IT.

YOU OKAY.

I CAN MAKE SURE.

I THINK LAURIE HAD SENT IT OUT, LIKE YOU SEND IT TO YOU .

THAT'D BE GREAT.

I DON'T, I CAN'T OPEN MY OTHER EMAIL, SO.

AWESOME.

AND THAT'S, UM, THE OTHER STAFF COMMENT WAS GOING TO BE THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT WAS UPDATED, BUT I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

SO ,

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UH, THAT'S ALL.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING, ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, YOU AGREED TO ADJOURNED.

ALL RIGHT, I SECOND.

THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

IT IS 6 21.