Oct 06, 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission on 2025-10-06 6:00 PM

[1. CALL TO ORDER – 6:00 PM]

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MY NAME IS LUCAS HYLER AND I'M THE EXECUTIVE VICE CHAIR FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

UH, CHAIR CHAIRMAN, UH, VAN WOLF IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.

UM, SO I WILL, UM, STRUCTURE THIS MEETING AS WE ALWAYS DO WITH THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE FOR TWO FIVE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION OF UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.

FOR HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, MY PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER BALLOT, ONE INDIVISIBLE.

AND PLEASE JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.

THANK YOU.

[2. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST]

WE WILL MOVE INTO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

NOW.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT I DO SEE THAT WE HAVE A FEW VISITORS, UM, THAT HAVE JOINED US THIS EVENING TO ANYBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SAY ANYTHING REGARDING ANY OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS OR ANYTHING IN GENERAL.

YES, SIR.

COME FORWARD.

NO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA: All items listed below within the consent agenda are considered routine by the Planning and Zoning Commission and may be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of items unless there is a Commission member or citizen request, in which event the item may be moved to the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.]

UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO A MOTION FOR OUR CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING? COMMISSIONER FRYER? UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT WE PULL THE MINUTES FOR DISCUSSION, PLEASE, FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING.

A MOTION TO PULL THE MINUTES FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES, PLEASE.

IS THERE A SECOND, SIR? DO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT MO DO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION? I CAN DO THAT.

YEAH.

WELL, NOT TO APPROVE TO, WE, WE CAN JUST PULL THEM FOR DISCUSSION.

IS THAT FAIR? OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, SO I HAD A QUESTION IN REVIEWING THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE PUD THAT WE APPROVED IN THE PRESENTATION, THERE WAS SEVEN STIPULATIONS THAT THE CITY HAD PROVIDED AND WE HAD ADDED TWO MORE TO THAT, THAT AREN'T RECORDED IN THE MINUTES.

AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY SHOULD BE, OR THEY RECORDED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

'CAUSE I WENT BACK TO SOME OTHER MINUTES AND THERE WERE SOME STIPULATIONS RECORDED.

YEAH.

SO I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION, PROBABLY OVERSIGHT.

WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL, UH, MAKE SURE WE GET THE WORDING RIGHT AND PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

OKAY.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

THANK YOU.

WILL DO.

SO THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CHANGES.

IS THERE A SECOND TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA? WELL, WE'RE GONNA BRING THOSE BACK FOR YOU SO THERE IS AN, A MOTION TO APPROVE.

WE'LL BRING YOU BACK NEXT MONTH.

OKAY, PERFECT.

THEN I'M GONNA WITHDRAW MY MOTION.

[A. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT (SUP) FOR AN ACCESSORY DRIVE-THRU LOCATED AT 31500 INTERSTATE 10 (SCOOTER’S COFFEE).]

MOVING FORWARD TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

ITEM FOR THE EVENING IS HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY DRIVE THROUGH, LOCATED AT 3 1 30 1,500 INTERSTATE 10 SCOOTERS.

COFFEE, JOANNE MARIE PRESENTING THIS EVENING? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONERS.

AGENDA FIVE A IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY DRIVE THROUGH LOCATED AT 31,500.

I NEVER KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT.

UM, INTERSTATE 10 FOR THE PROPOSED SCOOTERS COFFEE.

THE APPLICANT IS ANDREW DAVIS ON BEHALF OF TEXAS COFFEE HOLDINGS, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS BRAZOS DE SANTOS PARTNERS, LTD.

THIS SITE IS A VACANT, PREVIOUSLY GRADED PAD WITHIN A COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION ALONG IH 10 NEAR THE INTERSECTION WITH SCENIC LOOP ROAD.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATES THIS AREA'S AUTO ORIENTED COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR HIGH TRAFFIC CORRIDOR USES SUCH AS RESTAURANTS.

THE PROPOSED SCOOTERS COFFEE DRIVE-THRU IS COMPATIBLE WITH THIS DESIGNATION AS SHOWN HERE.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C3 COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE SCENIC INTERSTATE CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.

THE SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE VALERO, NAPA AUTO PARTS AND BILL MILLER BARBECUE, WHICH ALREADY HAS AN ACCESSORY DRIVE-THROUGH THE PROPOSED SCOOTER'S.

COFFEE USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THESE SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL TENANTS AND THE ZONING DISTRICT.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE LOWER GLEN ROSE BUFFER

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ON THE MAP HERE.

THE LOWER GLEN ROSE IS SHOWN IN GREEN.

AND THEN DRAINAGE PROTECTION ZONE ONE AND TWO ARE THE FAINT DOTTED.

UM, PURPLE AND ORANGE LINES HERE.

THESE AREAS HIGHLIGHT ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY RELATED TO AQUIFER RECHARGE.

A GEOLOGIC UH, A GEOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT REPORT IS TYPICALLY REQUIRED, BUT IN THIS CASE IT WAS WAIVED BECAUSE THE SITE HAS ALREADY BEEN PLATTED AND GRADED.

YOU CAN SEE I ADDED, UM, AN AERIAL VIEW FROM THE FIRST SLIDE THAT THE, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE.

THE EXISTING SITE IS ALREADY LEVELED.

IT'S, UM, SOMEWHAT PAVED OR GRAVELED, I'M NOT SURE.

UM, SO ANYWAY, IT'S ALREADY BEEN PLATTED AND GRADED.

IT GRADED.

SO THE APPLICANT IS STILL INCORPORATING, UM, MITIGATION MEASURES, INCLUDING A BIO RETENTION OR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT FEATURE, UH, XSCAPE LANDSCAPING AND THE REQUIRED 30 FOOT BUFFER ALONG IH 10.

THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A 668 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH NO INDOOR SEATING DESIGNED AS A DRIVE-THRU COFFEE SHOP.

THE DRIVE-THRU CAN ACCOMMODATE 14 VEHICLES ALONG WITH AN ESCAPE LANE.

THERE WILL ALSO BE A WALKUP SERVICE WINDOW WITH AN A DA ACCESSIBLE CONNECTION.

A BIKE RACK AND SCREEN DUMPSTER FACILITIES HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE 5:30 AM TO 8:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE RENDERING SHOWN HERE IS JUST FOR ILLUSTRATION PURPOSES ONLY.

IT DOES NOT REFLECT ALL FINAL SITE DESIGN ELEMENTS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, UM, THE ESCAPE LANE ISN'T SHOWN ON THERE.

UM, AND SO IF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED, IT WILL BE TIED TO THE SITE PLAN, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE AND NOT TO THIS BUILDING RENDERING.

SO HERE'S A SITE PLAN THAT, UH, IS SUBMITTED AND WILL BE TIED TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IF APPROVED.

UM, THIS SITE PLAN, UH, SHOWS SITE ACCESS, WHICH IS TO BE PROVIDED BY ONE ENTRY AND TWO EXIT DRIVEWAYS.

THE ENTRY IS THROUGH ACROSS ACCESS EASEMENT VIA IH 10, UH, FRONTAGE ROAD, AND THEN THE TWO EXIT DRIVEWAYS ARE THROUGH THE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT.

THEY'RE ON THE ON PLAN LEFT AND THEN TO THE SOUTH THROUGH THE EXISTING SUBDIVISION.

NO NEW CURB CUTS ARE PROPOSED OR REQUIRED.

UM, PER UDC STANDARDS, SEVEN PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED.

THE SITE PLAN PROVIDES FIVE SPACES ON SITE, INCLUDING 180 A DA, UM, STALL, AND THE REMAINING TWO WILL BE SATISFIED THROUGH A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH BILL MILLERS.

TWO BICYCLE SPACES ARE ALSO PROVIDED, WHICH EXCEEDS THE UDC MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.

THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC GENERATION WORKSHEET SHOWING 50 7:00 PM TRIPS, WHICH DOES NOT MEET THE THRESHOLD TO REQUIRE A FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

IN ADDITION TO THE LID OR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT FEATURE AND THE LANDSCAPING, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SUBMITTED A PHOTOMETRIC ANALYSIS PLAN SHOWING COMPLIANCE WITH DARK SKY REGULATIONS.

ALL UTILITIES HERE ARE AVAILABLE AT THE SITE AND, UH, HAVE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY ONTO OUR KEY FINDINGS AND ANALYSIS.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, COMPATIBILITY, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE AUTO ORIENTED COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION.

UH, THE PLAN IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH C3 ZONING SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THIS SUP.

UH, NOISE LIGHTING AND ACTIVITY LEVELS ARE CONSISTENT WITH ADJACENT COMMERCIAL USES IN TERMS OF ACCESS, CIRCULATION AND PARKING.

THE DRIVE-THROUGH STACKING DOES EXCEED UDC UDC SECTION FIVE DASH SEVEN'S MINIMUM STANDARDS REGARDING ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS.

THE OVERLAY IS, UM, IT'S ADDRESSED THROUGH THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AND THE ZERO ESCAPING.

AND THEN THERE ARE, THERE IS ADEQUATE ACCESS, CIRCULATION AND PARKING WITH THE SHARED AGREEMENT.

AND SO, IN SUMMARY, STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPATIBLE WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT AND MEETS THE APPROVAL CRITERIA OUTLINED IN SECTION TWO DASH FIVE OF THE UDCA BURNING NEIGHBORHOOD DISCUSSION WAS HELD ON AUGUST 19 TO GATHER INPUT.

PUBLIC NOTICE WAS PROVIDED THROUGH MAILED LETTERS, NEWSPAPER POSTINGS, AND ONSITE SIGNAGE.

ONE COMMENT WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION FROM WITHIN THE 500 FOOT RADIUS.

I DID PLACE THAT, UM, ON A FEW OF YOUR DESKS SO YOU CAN SEE THE RESPONSE.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND DETERMINE IF THE REQUEST MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE UDC OUTLINING SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE INCLUSION OF THE FOLLOWING FOUR CONDITIONS.

ONE,

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TWO.

THE FINAL DESIGN AND INSTALLATION OF THE PROPOSED BIO RETENTION LID FEATURE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH UDC.

CHAPTER EIGHT THREE.

FINAL DESIGN AND INSTALLATION OF THE ESCAPE LANE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH UDC ACCESS AND CIRCULATION STANDARDS.

AND FINALLY, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UDC, UH, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHALL EXPIRE WITHIN TWO YEARS OF THE DATE OF APPROVAL IF NO PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE AND THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS NOT ISSUED.

I HAVE MOTIONS OF CONSIDERATION HERE, UM, FOR THE COMMISSION.

THE APPLICANT TEAM IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND I YIELD MY TIME TO THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

BEFORE, BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I SUSPECT OR ANTICIPATE FOR THERE TO BE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.

IS COULD YOU GIVE US MAYBE A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT WILL FUTURISTICALLY, UM, RELIEVE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA? UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I DON'T, JEFF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HELP MR. CARROLL? YEAH.

SOMEBODY WHO HAS A LOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT CAN SPEAK.

THANK YOU.

SO EVENING, EXCUSE ME.

EVENING HALL.

UH, SO WE AS A CITY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE CASCADE CAVERNS ROAD PROJECT.

IT'S ACTUALLY A PROJECT WE SUBMITTED TO THE MPO, UH, THAT WOULD GO CASCADE CAVERNS FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND FURTHER DOWN.

UH, WE'VE BEEN STUDYING THAT INTERSECTION QUITE A BIT.

THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN KIND OF DELAYED AT THIS TIME AND IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE.

IT HAS LAND ACQUISITION AND OTHER, AND IT'S A FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT, SO THERE'S A LOT OF FEDERAL THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN THE PROCESS.

UM, SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT, BUT THAT'S SEVERAL YEARS OUT.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT GENERAL AREA FOR THE CASCADE.

AND I'M ASSUMING THE CASCADE SCENIC INTERSECTION IS WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING WITH SOME OTHER DEVELOPERS AT POTENTIAL MITIGATION IMPROVEMENTS.

AGAIN, WHEN EVERY DEVELOPMENT TURNS IN THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT FOR THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION.

AND THERE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE DONE OVER TIME WITH JUST A SIMPLE TURN LANE.

UM, AND THAT INTERSECTION IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO MEETING THE WARRANTS OF BEING SIGNALED.

AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE AT A, AT A LATER DATE.

MR. CARROLL, I KNOW THE, UM, IN FACT, AS I DROVE BY THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROJECT THIS EVENING OR PROPOSED SITE, IT LOOKED LIKE THE GENEVA DRIVEWAY WAS NEARING COMPLETION, WHICH WOULD ALSO ADD QUITE A BIT OF RELIEF.

THAT'S LY CORRECT.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE WORKED WITH GENEVA, UM, LETTING THEM BUILD THEIR, THEIR DRIVEWAY.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TARGETING THAT IT WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THAT GENEVA TRAFFIC WILL GO THROUGH THEIR NEW DRIVEWAY OFF I 10 RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH CASCADE CAVERNS.

CORRECT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

I WILL, UH, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM.

IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS, UH, PROJECT? YES, SIR.

GOOD EVENING.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

BOBBY TON.

I OWN THE NAPA AUTO PARK STORE THAT, UH, WE'LL FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO GET COFFEE, WHICH WOULD BE GOOD.

I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THEM, UH, DEVELOPING THIS PIECE OF LAND THAT'S IN FRONT OF US.

UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALREADY A DRIVE THROUGH IT.

IT IS BUSY TRAFFIC WISE, HONESTLY, IT'S MORE BUSY FOR THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC TWICE A DAY, WHICH, UH, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE FUTURE PLANS, I THINK THAT'LL HELP ALLEVIATE IT.

BUT, UH, UH, I THINK IT'S A PROFESSIONAL COMPANY.

UH, BAYLESS MILLMAN, BILL MILLERS HAS BEEN A PROFESSIONAL COMPANY SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE, AND HOPEFULLY THEY THINK THE SAME THING OF US.

BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I WOULD AS A SOMEBODY WHO IT WOULD IMPACT A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL.

AND, UH, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, CONSIDER FOR YOU GUYS TO, YOU KNOW, WITH ONLY ONE PERSON THAT COMPLAINS.

AND LET'S FACE IT, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING.

BUT, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY WOULD MOVE FORWARD.

SO, AND IT'LL, IT'LL BE NICE TO GET THAT, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE, BLACK TOPPED AND EVERYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW.

UH, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO.

YES, SIR.

JOB.

THANKS.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M ANDREW DAVIS.

AND I'M SHAUGHNESSY DAVIS, ONE 13 WILD ROSE HILL.

UM, SO

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UM, WE LIVE ACROSS THE STREET.

WE KNOW OF THE TRAFFIC YOU SPEAK OF.

'CAUSE WE'VE HAD KIDS AT KENDALL AND SOUTH AND STILL AT SOUTH AND GOING TO CHAMPION.

SO WE, WE GO THROUGH THAT EVERY DAY.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR PLAN YOU SPEAK OF, UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO, TO BE HERE.

SO THANK YOU, UM, FOR EVERYONE IN THE CITY THAT'S ANSWERED 9 MILLION QUESTIONS FROM ME.

UM, BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE INVOLVED, UM, IN THIS COMMUNITY.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A LOCATION IN KERRVILLE.

UM, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT.

WE'RE CONSISTENTLY THE NUMBER ONE STORE OUT OF ABOUT 90 IN TEXAS.

UM, AND WE RANK IN THE TOP, UH, 6% COMPANY WIDE OUT OF ABOUT 900 STORES.

UM, WE'RE VERY ACTIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE DO A LOT WITH THE SCHOOLS.

UM, LAST YEAR WE WON COMMUNITY PARTNER OF THE YEAR FOR KERRVILLE, ISD, UM, AND THEN WE ALSO JUST DO A LOT FOR, FOR FUNDRAISING AND DONATIONS AND ARE VERY OUT AND ABOUT.

SO, UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO BRING THAT TO BERNIE.

UM, WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR JUST ABOUT FIVE YEARS.

WE REALLY WANTED TO BERNIE TO BE OUR FIRST ONE.

UM, IT'S JUST TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET THERE.

UM, BUT YEAH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. MS. DAVIS.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT SCOOTER'S COFFEE DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO COMMISSION DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER BIRD.

YEAH, I'VE GOT A, A QUESTION THE DRIVEWAY ON, I GUESS THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND I GUESS THIS QUESTION IS FOR STAFF, UM, CITY STAFF ON THE SOUTHEAST OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEN GOES, IS THAT A, IS THAT A DEEDED EASEMENT BEHIND BILL MILLER'S THAT THE COFFEE SHOP WILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE OR, YES, I BELIEVE BACK, BACK IN THE BACK, YEAH.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ACCESS HERE.

YES.

I KNOW THAT THIS IS AN EASEMENT THAT IS DEEDED.

UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE PLAQUE.

WELL, THIS SEEMS TO COME OUT LIKE BACK BEHIND BETWEEN NAPA AND MM-HMM .

THE, AND THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR BILL MILLERS.

AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF, IF THAT WAS DEEDED OR, OR, OR IS BAYLESS GONNA ALLOW THEM TO GO THROUGH THERE OR YES, IT'S AN EASEMENT.

IT'S AN EXISTING EASEMENT.

IT'S AN EASEMENT.

THEN THE SECOND THING, UM, I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU GUYS.

IT'S GREAT TO SEE, UM, OUR NEIGHBORS AND THAT ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT AND FEEDING YOUR FAMILY AND, AND SENDING YOUR KIDS TO THE SCHOOLS THEY WANT TO GO TO.

AND AT THE SAME TIME GENERATING GOODWILL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

SO, UM, HOORAY FROM ME FROM LITTLE ALONE.

ME, .

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BIRD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER ? I I JUST WANTED TO, UM, SPEAK TO THE, UM, DISSENTING, UM, VOTE THAT CAME IN.

UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAID WAS THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC BACKING UP, UH, ON THE LIGHTS AT THE LIGHT SERVICE ROAD TO GET INTO BILL MILLER'S FROM SCENIC LOOP, UM, WHICH IS ALREADY AN ISSUE.

UM, WE, WE SAW THE PEAK, UM, TRAFFIC STUDY.

DO, DO YOU, DO WE HAVE LIKE A TIMEFRAME? I'M ASSUMING THAT'S LIKE, PROBABLY LIKE SEVEN TO EIGHT IN THE MORNING.

UM, FROM WHAT I NOTED, IT WAS THE PM TRIPS.

UH, DO YOU KNOW JEFF, THE EXACT TIMEFRAME FOR THOSE? YES, FOR A COFFEE USE? THE AM IS THE TYPICAL PEAK TRIP.

AND SO YEAH, IT'S IN THAT PEAK HOUR OF ADJACENT STREET TRAFFIC, WHICH IS KINDA ABOUT SEVEN 30 TO EIGHT 30 IS WHEN WE SEE, AND THAT KIND OF CO CORRESPONDS WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE OTHER SCHOOLS IN THE AREA.

UH, HOWEVER, THE GENERAL RESTAURANTS AND KIND OF THAT, THAT TRAFFIC THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR THAT PROPERTY, AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE'S FOUR PARCELS IN THAT LITTLE PROPERTY, THE NAPA, THE BILL MILLER, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

AND THERE'S STILL ONE MORE PROPERTY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER.

UM, SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TRACKING AS WE GO THROUGH ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT'LL ALL USE THOSE SAME DRIVEWAYS, UM, TO MATCH HOW THEY ALL ENTER AND EXIT FROM THAT SITE.

YEAH, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT I THINK THE, THIS PROJECT AND BILL MILLER'S KIND OF COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER IN TERMS OF TR TRAFFIC, UM, BECAUSE I THINK ONE IS GONNA BE, UM, HEAVY TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING AND THE OTHER ONE HEAVY TRAFFIC AT LUNCH.

I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, NOT NOT A LUNCHTIME COFFEE DRINKER .

SO I'M PRETTY MUCH DONE BY THEN.

UM, BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, TO ADDRESS THIS, THIS CONCERN HERE THAT CAME IN, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PERSON'S HERE, BUT, UH, TO ADDRESS THIS CONCERN, TO ME IT'S LESS OF A CONCERN BECAUSE THE PROJECTS,

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THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRYER.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THANK YOU AS WELL FOR BEING A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNER.

AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE SPIRIT AND THE CHARACTER OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN BERNIE.

UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT LOCATION.

I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF COFFEE SHOPS, BUT GIVEN THE GENEVA TRAFFIC, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ELEMENTARY, EXCUSE ME, SCHOOL RIGHT THERE CLOSE BY AND, UM, FORD OF BERNIE.

I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT PICK FOR A, A PLACE.

SO I THINK I, I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION MIGHT BE IS IF THERE ARE MORE CARS IN THE QUEUE, WHERE WOULD THEY GO? WHAT, WHAT OPTION? WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE OTHER THAN THE ACCESS ROAD? SO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

UM, THAT IS OUR BIGGEST PET PEEVE.

AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM REALLY IN KERRVILLE.

UM, WE ARE THE FASTEST IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND WE RANK 29TH OUT OF ABOUT 900, LIKE I SAID, IN SPEED COMPANY WIDE.

SO, AND I THINK, UM, THE NOTES ARE IN THERE.

WE AVERAGE TWO MINUTES TOTAL.

SO FOR THE TIME YOU GET INTO OUR LINE TO THE TIME YOU LEAVE IS TWO MINUTES.

SO WE MOVE PEOPLE THROUGH VERY FAST.

UM, WE DON'T RUN SKELETON SHIFT.

WE HAVE PEOPLE ON TO SERVE, UM, SERVE OUR CUSTOMERS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THROUGH THAT.

AND THEN ONE OTHER MITIGATING STEP WE DO IS IF IT DOES GET BUSY, WE ARE OUT, UM, LINE SCOOTING, YOU'RE GONNA START TO HEAR SCOOT A LOT.

UM, BUT WE'RE LINE SCOOTING.

WE'RE TAKING ORDERS, UM, AS WE'RE NOT WAITING FOR THEM TO GET TO THE SPEAKER BOX, WE'RE PREEMPTIVELY TAKING THEM.

THAT ALLOWS THEM AT AS WELL AS PAYMENT THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO, AGAIN, TO MOVE THROUGH WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT IN OUR PEAK HOURS IN CURVILLE.

UM, WE'RE TYPICALLY AT ABOUT A MINUTE AND A HALF.

SO THE TWO MINUTES I SHARED WITH YOU IS OUR FULL DAY WAIT TIME, UM, FROM FIVE 30 UNTIL EIGHT.

UM, AFTERNOONS TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER FOR US TIME-WISE, JUST 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY CARS TO GET THROUGH.

THEY GET OUT OF THE RHYTHM, BUT STILL TWO MINUTES IS, IS ABOUT OUR AVERAGE.

SO HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU SAY IN CARVILLE YOU HAVE MORE THAN 14 CARS QUEUED UP? SO OUR CURVILLE ONE IS NOT LAID OUT AS WELL.

UM, WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THIS LAYOUT.

UM, OUR STACK IS, WE HAVE SIX CARS BETWEEN THE WINDOW AND THE SPEAKER BOX, AND THEN WE HAVE ROOM FOR THREE MORE CARS, UM, BEHIND THE SPEAKER BOX OF NINE TOTAL.

AND WHEN PEOPLE START TO QUEUE, THEY ACTUALLY LEAVE A LOT OF SPACE.

SO WE ONLY GET ONE TYPICALLY.

UM, BUT I'D SAY ON AN AVERAGE, LIKE BUSY DAY, AGAIN THAT'S SEVEN 30 TO EIGHT PEAK TIME, WE MIGHT HAVE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WAITING TO GET IN, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THE STREET.

THEY'RE IN THE PARKING LOT.

SO, UM, AND THAT IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE AND WE'RE MOVING THEM THROUGH, UM, TO FILL THE QUEUE FASTER.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE YOU LEAVE? AND THIS IS MORE OUTTA CURIOSITY.

SO THE LAST COFFEE SHOP THAT WE HAD COME BEFORE, UM, PNZ, UH, WE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC, UM, THEY HAD MENTIONED I THINK STATISTICALLY THAT IT'S NOT SO MUCH A DESTINATION WHERE YOU'RE CREATING MORE TRAFFIC TO THAT ADDRESS, BUT IT'S, IT'S FOR THE CURRENT TRAFFIC, IT'S ALREADY DROPPING THEIR KIDS AT SCHOOL OR, YOU KNOW, GOING WHEREVER.

DO YOU HAVE ANY STATISTICS AROUND THAT? IS THAT A, IS THAT PRETTY FACTUAL OR? I WOULD SAY, I DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL STATISTICS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS ANECDOTALLY TRUE.

SO WE'RE NOT, IF YOU THINK OF SOME OF THE BIGGER BRANDS OUT THERE, NOT JUST COFFEE, BUT FAST FOOD WISE, THEY ARE DESTINATION PLACES.

MM-HMM .

AND WE PICK THIS LOCATION 'CAUSE WE'RE ON THE WAY AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE FOR THREE YEARS, WE THINK WE ACTUALLY CAN HELP PULL TRAFFIC OFF AND SPEED THAT LINEUP ON SCENIC LOOP AS WE'RE ALL TRYING TO GET TO WORK.

UM, SO WE'LL WE THINK WE CAN ADD THAT BENEFIT AGAIN 'CAUSE WE'RE ON THE WAY.

AND SO, UM, I DON'T SEE US, I WOULD LOVE FOR PEOPLE UP ON JOHNS ROAD TO COME DOWN.

WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA MARKET TO THEM.

WE'RE GONNA TAKE STUFF TO THOSE SCHOOLS.

UM, BUT IT'S, WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE, IT'S A LONGER COMMUTE JUST TO GET COFFEE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

OH YEAH, DEFINITELY.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER KELLER.

NOT REALLY ANY QUESTIONS FROM ME.

UM, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS COME ACROSS MY DESK AND I WAS READING THROUGH IT, I WAS THINKING JUST THE, THE NATURE OF THAT, THOSE INTERSECTIONS OVER THERE, THAT IT WOULD BE KIND OF CHAOTIC AND, UM, BUT I ACTUALLY WENT OUT THERE TODAY AND SAT IN THE PARKING LOT, UH, IN THE VACANT LOT.

AND IT WAS PROBABLY RIGHT AFTER PEAK TIME, I GUESS.

BUT I HONESTLY DIDN'T SEE ANY CONCERNS.

I MEAN, IT, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF BILL MILLER'S THAT WOULD AFFECT THE TRAFFIC COMING IN TO WHERE THEIR DRIVE

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SO REALLY NO CONCERN ON MY PART WHATSOEVER.

UM, I'D BE INCLINED TO, TO BE IN FAVOR.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, THROW MY WELCOME IN AS WELL.

YEAH.

LIKE TO HAVE YOU GUYS HERE.

I WOULD, UH, GO AHEAD.

I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, I DO DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT WITH A, UH, DESTINATION, UH, BECAUSE I DO GO ALL THE WAY TO CURB MILL TO GO TO SCOOTERS, , WELL, I MIGHT ADD THIS COMMISSION DOES HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH COFFEE SHOPS, AND, UH, DRIVE-THROUGHS AS OF RECENT.

AND A LOT OF OUR QUESTIONS MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED ON PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM, UM, MONTHS AGO.

UM, BUT AS WELL, I, I THINK THAT THIS IS A, UH, A GOOD DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS AREA.

YOU KNOW, 680 SQUARE FEET I THINK WAS THE AMOUNT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER I, I LOOKED AT IT COMPARISON TO COMMISSIONER KELLER, I WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE.

THIS IS SOMETIMES A CONGESTED AREA.

BUT, UM, THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD TAKE UP A, A BIGGER FOOTPRINT OR EVEN EVEN, UH, BRING IN MORE TRAFFIC.

SO, UM, I'D LOVE TO HEAR, UM, PREEMPTIVE WELCOME TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT, UM, IS THERE A MOTION SECOND? YES.

I, I MOVED THAT THE, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER PREP THE FINDINGS.

PARDON ME ONE SECOND.

DID WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING? WE DID, AND I CLOSED IT.

THANK YOU.

YES, SIR.

UM, COMMISSIONER BIRD? YES.

THAT THE PLANNING IS ON THE COMMISSION EXCEPT THE FINDINGS.

AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH WITH THE FORCE, WITH THE FOUR CONDITIONS.

YES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KATES.

AND IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU.

[A. PRESENTATION OF PROPOSED UPDATES TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.]

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, ANNUALLY OR BI ANNUALLY, WE WORK ON UPDATES TO THE UDC.

UH, A LOT OF IT'S, UH, DRIVEN BY, UH, STATE LEGISLATION.

SO TODAY, UH, WE'LL GO OVER FOR YOU WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, THAT'LL BE COMING, UH, BEFORE YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

UH, THIS YEAR, WE'LL PROBABLY, LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR, WE'LL HAVE, UH, TWO GROUPS OF AMENDMENTS.

UH, GROUP ONE WILL ADDRESS THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATES, UH, FROM 2023 AND THEN THIS YEAR.

AND GROUP TWO WILL BE OTHER UPDATES, UH, THAT WE NEED, UH, PROPOSED TIMELINE, UH, ON SEPTEMBER 23RD, WE DID PRESENT THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION, UH, WHICH THEY PROVIDED AT THAT TIME.

WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TO TALK TO YOU THIS EVENING, UH, WE HOPE ON NOVEMBER 3RD THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMENDATION ON GROUP ONE.

AND THEN, UH, CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING, FIRST READING, UH, DECEMBER 9TH AND SECOND READING JANUARY 13TH.

UH, THAT WOULD BE GROUP ONE.

UH, SO LEGISLATIVE CHANGES IN 2023, UH, HB 36 99, UH, CHANGED OUR SUBDIVISION PROCESS.

UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECALL THAT PLAT REVIEW IS A STATUTORY PROCESS.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY MEET OUR MINIMUM CODES, LOT SIZES, ROAD WIDTHS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO APPROVAL.

UH, ONE THING IS IT DID IS SAID WE MAY NOT REQUIRE AN ANALYSIS STUDY DOCUMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS NOT EXPLICITLY ALLOWED BY STATE CODE.

SO THAT, UH, IMPACTS OUR PROCESS QUITE A BIT.

IT ALSO DEFINED ONE, A PLA OF REQUIRED DIVIDED INTO TWO MORE PARTS AND INCLUDE AN AREA FOR PUBLIC USE.

AND IT ALLOWED ADMINISTRATIVE DE DELEGATION OF SUBDIVISION AUTHORITY TO STAFF.

UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN OUR PROPOSAL, UH, IN A MINUTE.

THE HB 34 92, UH, PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTION FEES.

UH, THOSE ARE DETERMINED BY ACTUAL COST.

UH, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY, UH, DOING THAT FOR THIRD PARTY, UH, 2025, HB 24, UH, NOTICED AND PROTEST PROCEDURES FOR ZONING CHANGES.

UH, WE DEALT WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT IN OUR SPENCER RANCH.

UH, BUT THE THRESHOLD HAS INCREASED FROM 20% TO 60%.

UH, ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM FOR US IS WE NO LONGER CAN REQUIRE TAX RECEIPTS FOR PLATS.

OKAY.

UH, HP 24 64, NO IMPACT HOME BUSINESSES, UH, THEY DEFINE WHAT THAT MEANS.

THESE ARE, UH, BUSINESSES LIKE AN OFFICE,

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UH, THAT'S THE IDEA.

UH, THEY'RE CURRENTLY, THEY'RE PERMITTED AS AN, AS AN ACCESSORY USE IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS YOU WANT THEM ACCESSORY TO SOMETHING, UH, PRIMARILY THE HOME.

UH, WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR UDC STANDARDS TO MODIFY AND MAY HAVE TO MODIFY THOSE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.

AS FAR AS THE DEFINITION AND WHAT WE CAN REGULATE IN NO, UH, IMPACT HOME BUSINESSES.

UH, SENATE BILL 7 85 REQUIRES US TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR HUD CODE MANUFACTURED HOMES.

UH, WE DO DO THAT.

WE HAVE AN EXISTING, UH, ZONING DISTRICT THAT IF SOMEBODY WISHED TO, UH, THEY COULD USE THAT AND APPLY FOR THAT TYPE OF PROJECT.

FOOD TRUCKS, UH, HP 28 44.

THIS PROHIBITS THE CITY FROM REQUIRING A PERMIT IF THEY HAVE A STATE PERMIT.

SO WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH OUR FOOD TRUCK REGULATIONS AND REPEALING THOSE THAT WE, UH, THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THAT.

SO, UH, TO UNDERSTAND, UH, OUR CURRENT, OUR, UH, PROPOSAL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR, UH, CURRENT SUBDIVISION REVIEW PROCESS.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE MAJOR OR MINOR SUBDIVISIONS.

MINOR ONES ARE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY STAFF.

THE MAJOR ONES ARE TWO OR MORE PHASES, AND THAT REQUIRES, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, COMMISSION ACTION.

SO CURRENTLY YOU'RE ONLY SEEING THE MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS.

UH, IT REQUIRES A LAND STUDY, A MINOR MA MINOR, A MAJOR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS.

THEN WE ACTUALLY GET INTO PLATTING MAJOR AGAIN, PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION.

MINOR IS ADMINISTRATIVE.

OUR PROPOSED PROCESS, UH, UH, THIS IS BASED ON, UH, PLATTING BEING A STATUTORY APPROVAL PROCESS.

UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE TWO OR MORE PHASES AND OR GREATER THAN 20 ACRES.

UH, THERE ARE SOME DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL ON THAT.

SO WE, UH, THAT'S NOT SET IN STONE AS FAR AS THE ACREAGE GOES.

UH, THE BEST EXAMPLE IS THE ONE BEFORE YOU.

IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE REGENT PARK, UH, THAT WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU COME TO THE CITY, WE WOULD DO A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

YOU GUYS WOULD SEE THAT AND APPROVE THAT MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, BEFORE, UH, ANY DEVELOPMENT OR PLATTING OCCURS.

THEN WE GO TO A PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE ADMINISTRATIVE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS, WHICH ARE ADMINISTRATIVE RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN, UH, FINAL PLAN WOULD ALSO BE ADMINISTRATIVE.

AGAIN, WE, WE GO BACK TO COMPLIANCE WITH THAT MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, FOR THOSE, IF THERE WERE AMENDMENTS AND SO FORTH, DEPENDING ON THAT AMENDMENT, IT WOULD COME BEFORE THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.

I WILL NOTE THAT COMMERCIAL WILL ONLY BE REQUIRED TO DO THE FINAL PLAT ONLY RATHER THAN JUST THE PRELIMINARY AND THE FINAL.

ALL VARIANCES AND WAIVERS WILL STILL COME TO THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.

UH, WHETHER IT'S DPZ, SUB SUBDIVISION DESIGN, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

OTHER PROCEDURAL CHANGES WE'RE, WE ARE PROPOSING A SITE PLAN REVIEW.

UH, THIS WOULD APPLY TO NON-RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS.

UH, YOU JUST HEARD A SUP, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, UH, PRIOR TO THEM, UH, PRIOR TO APPLICATION OF BUILDING PERMITS.

UH, WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT US TO DO CURSORY REVIEWS OF PROJECTS.

AND, UH, WE NEED A WAY TO TRACK THOSE.

WE NEED A WAY TO HAVE FORMAL COMMENTS.

WE NEED A WAY TO, UH, HANDLE THOSE.

UH, THE OTHER THING IS, IS AS I THINK HONDA IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, UH, THAT YOU SEE HERE, AS WE WORK WITH APPLICANTS ON A SITE, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO, UH, RESPOND TO SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS IF THEY HAVEN'T INVESTED ALL THE MONEY IN, UH, CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THAT EARLY TO PROVIDE THAT INPUT EARLIER IN THE PROCESS.

UH, WE'LL HAVE, UH, UNIVERSAL APPLICATION PROCEDURES.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR UDC NOW, YOU LOOK AT EACH APPLICATION TYPE THAT SAYS, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, WHAT IT HAS TO INCLUDE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE A ONE SECTION THAT DEALS WITH THAT.

AND WE'LL HAVE A, UH, DEVELOPER MANUAL THAT PROVIDES THE INSTRUCTIONS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT PLAID EXEMPTIONS FOR COMMERCIAL AREAS.

AND DOWNTOWN, RIGHT NOW, PLAID EXEMPTIONS ONLY APPLY TO, PRIMARILY TO RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROJECTS.

WE'RE LOOKING THAT FOR COMMERCIAL AND, UH, OUR DOWNTOWN, UH, TO HELP THOSE DOWN THERE.

KLEIN IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF ONE, OR FREE ROAM IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ONE WHERE, UH, WHERE THE BILLING'S EXISTING.

THE LOTS ARE THERE.

UH, DO

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UH, AND OUTLINE WHAT CONCURRENT REVIEWS ARE AND WHO AND WHEN WE CAN DO THEM.

AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, TRYING TO, UH, MEET THOSE, UH, COMMENTS THAT WE GOT IN ASSISTANCE SURVEY, UH, THAT WE'VE HAD FOR QUITE SOME TIME TO TRY TO BE EFFICIENT IN OUR PROCESS.

UH, FOUNDATION PERMITS, UH, THAT'LL BE A FORMAL, UH, THING THAT WE CAN DO.

AND DEFINING WHAT A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS AND WHEN IT'S USED.

FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHERE, UH, OFFICES OR GROCERY STORES, UH, WILL COME IN AND THEY WANT TO, THEY WANT TO START, UH, INSTALLING THEIR SHELVING AND MAYBE EVEN TRAIN A LITTLE BIT WHILE THEY'RE STILL FINISHING UP THEIR PARKING LOT.

LANDSCAPING AND DETENTION, THAT'S WHERE THE TEMPORARY WOULD COME IN.

UH, WATER CONSERVATION.

UH, WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS ZERO ESCAPE AND IMPERVIOUS COVER.

UH, RIGHT NOW WE JUST NEED A ACCURATE WAY TO DO THAT.

'CAUSE IF YOU INSTALL ZERO ESCAPE INCORRECTLY, IT ACTUALLY INCREASES YOUR IMPERVIOUS COVER, WHICH CAN AFFECT STORM WATER AND SO, AND, AND RUN OFF.

UH, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THAT.

UM, WE, UH, WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE RAINWATER CAPTURE FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.

UH, HVAC CONDENSATION CAPTURE, UH, WILL, WILL BE RECOMMENDED FOR EVERYBODY, BUT REQUIRED, UH, BASED ON THE USE AND OR SIZE OF THE BUILDING.

USUALLY IT'S COST EFFECTIVE AROUND 50,000 SQUARE FEET, PLUS OR MINUS.

UH, SO THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES COST EFFECTIVE TO DO.

UH, WE WILL CLARIFY DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND ADDITIONS.

UH, WE WANT TO GET IN THERE AND MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY CLEAR.

AND SPECIFICALLY HOW THAT APPLIES TO OUR DOWNTOWN COMMUNITIES AND OUR OLDER AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY IS PEOPLE TRY AND WANT TO DO ADDITIONS OR THEY WANT TO DO, UH, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IMPROVE THE PROPERTY.

UH, FINALLY THERE'S ALSO A BILL, UH, THAT DIDN'T PROVIDE A TON OF GUIDANCE, UH, BUT IT DOES, UH, REQUIRE US TO CONSIDER IMPACT FEE CREDITS, UH, AS THEY DO WATER CONSERVATION MEASURES.

WHAT THAT IS, WE DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT.

SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON.

IT WAS UNDEFINED.

ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? WHEN, WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE WE'LL GET THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE AND HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT BEFORE WE HAVE TO MEET ON IT? THE, UH, ACTUAL LANGUAGE WILL PROBABLY BE, UH, NOT TILL THE END OF THE MONTH AT THE EARLIEST, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT ON A FRIDAY PACKET AND DISCUSS IT ON MONDAY.

WE'LL GET IT ON THIRD.

THAT'S THE PLAN.

THAT'S THE PLAN.

IT'LL BE VERY DETAILED.

IT'LL BE VERY DETAILED IN WHERE THE CHANGES ARE, BUT WE'LL JUST HAVE THE WEEKEND TO LOOK IT THROUGH.

MM-HMM .

WE, WE CAN'T GET IT ANY SOONER.

UH, NO.

'CAUSE I'M GONNA BE OUT OF THE OFFICE FOR TWO WEEKS WITH THE SURGERY.

SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE I'VE GOT.

I THINK, UH, OF EVERYTHING THAT I REVIEWED THERE, THE PLA EXEMPTIONS FOR COMMERCIAL AND DOWNTOWN ARE, ARE, ARE A GOOD THING AND, AND, AND NEEDED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER FRIAR, THAT WAS A QUICK OVERVIEW.

UM, CAN YOU KIND OF SUMMARIZE IN AN EASY LITTLE NUTSHELL, I GUESS ESPECIALLY TO THE FIRST COUPLE, REGARDING THE SUBDIVISIONS AND THE PLATING.

IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THIS COMMISSION THAT WE WON'T BE REVIEWING ANYMORE.

CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE ARE? SO, SO THAT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT.

YES.

SO TODAY, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REVIEWS MAJOR, UH, MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND THEY REVIEW MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS, UH, MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

AND THE LAND STUDY FALL UNDER THE CATEGORY IN HP 36 99 OF NOT REQUIRING STUDIES UNLESS THEY'RE, THEY ARE OUTLINED IN STATE CODE.

SO THOSE TWO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.

UH, SO THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU WOULD NOT BE SEEING THAT YOU CURRENTLY SEE TODAY, UH, WOULD BE THAT MAJOR SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS TWO OR MORE PHASES.

UH, WE'RE REPLACING THAT WITH THE, UM, MASTER, UH, MASTER PLAN, MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH WILL ALLOW YOU GUYS TO FOCUS ON THE PLANNING OVERALL IN LARGER PROJECTS.

OKAY.

AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, WILL YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? MAYBE ONE MORE? NOPE.

NOW

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IT JUST ESCAPED ME.

UM, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS EVEN THE APPROPRIATE TIME, BUT IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST YEAR IS BECAUSE I LOOKED INTO THIS PERSONALLY FOR MY OWN HOME IN REGARDS TO THE WATER CONSERVATION.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A REBATE OF $150 FOR A RAINWATER CATCHMENT SYSTEM, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T EVEN PAY FOR A 50 GALLON BARREL.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S REALLY NOT AN INCENTIVE FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS TO DO THAT.

AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW HOW OR WHEN IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION.

IS THERE A BETTER AVENUE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THAT AN INCENTIVE SO THAT YES, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE.

OKAY.

SO WE'D HAVE TO TAKE IT UP WITH COUNCIL.

SO I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT IF THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE MORE WE ACT PASSION.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN THAT, RIGHT.

RAINWATER CATCHMENT.

WE DO.

YEAH.

YEAH.

WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE EXPRESS INTEREST IN BEING ABLE TO CAPTURE MORE THAN A HUNDRED OR MORE THAN 50 GALLONS.

WE BASE THAT INITIAL REBATE OPPORTUNITY ON KIND OF THE AVERAGE COST PER 50 GALLONS.

BUT WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO CAPTURE 500, 300 AND 500 GALLON STORAGE TANKS, THE $150 IS NOT QUITE GONNA COVER IT.

SO TO YOUR POINT, IT IS, UH, MEANT TO BE AN INCENTIVE TO GET PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE AN ACTION TO CONSERVE MORE WATER.

SO WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO, UH, INCREASING THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE RE UH, RAINWATER CATCHMENT COMPONENT.

SOMETIMES IT'S ALSO LIKE UPGRADING THEIR GUTTER SYSTEM OR REDESIGNING OR REALIGNING GUTTER SYSTEMS TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY STORE THEIR WATER IN A PLACE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY IRRIGATE WITH IT.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON ON THEIR HOUSE.

THEY SPENT A EXTRA MONEY, THEY MIGHT NOT, UH, JUST INCORPORATE THE STORAGE BARREL AND THE $150.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU.

SURE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, DR. CRANE? I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO REQUEST WITH, WITH THE AMOUNT OF CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AND REALLY JUST HAVING A BULLET POINT AT, AT THIS TIME OF WHAT THOSE CHANGES MAY ENCOMPASS IS THAT ANYTIME WE'VE MADE CHANGES TO THE UDC, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD CONCERN ME FOR THOSE TO COME OUT ON A PUBLIC AGENDA, UM, A, A MATTER OF A FEW DAYS BEFORE AND ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW THEM, BUT THEN ALSO COMMISSIONERS TO BE THOROUGHLY PREPARED.

SO EVEN IF THAT MEANT MOVING IT TO THE DECEMBER AGENDA, UM, WOULD, WOULD AT LEAST BE A, A REQUEST I'D LIKE TO HAVE CONSIDERED.

SO WE ALL HAVE, WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.

FIRE.

IS THE LANGUAGE IN THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE DEFINITIVE THAT IT'S AN, IT IS ADMINISTRATIVE OR IT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVE? SO DOES IT HAVE TO NOT COME TO US OR IS THAT A CHOICE THAT STAFF IS MAKING? IT DOES.

IT, IT'S, IT'S MORE LIKE IT CAN, IT'S ALLOWED, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IT COULD BE EITHER ADMINISTRATIVE OR A CITY CAN HAVE A PROCESS.

MANY TIMES, UH, CITIES USE THE, THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, AS THEIR, UH, APPROVING BODY.

SO IT JUST ALLOWS, UH, THAT TO GO THROUGH, UH, AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS IF THE CITY SO CHOOSES, IF THEIR COUNCIL SO CHOOSES TO PUT THAT INTO CODE.

UM, THE ONE THING TOO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE A BIG EMPHASIS ON, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WE, WE MIGHT BE A, A SMIDGE BEHIND, UM, ON GOING AHEAD AND, AND REALLY DELVING IN AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR CODE IS, UH, IN ALIGNMENT WITH THIS NEW, WITH THIS LEGISLATION FROM 2023, THE PLANS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO TURN IN, THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

UM, AND ALL THE, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE BEFORE THEY, BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY, UH, CAN BRING THEIR PLAT FORWARD.

SO, I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME THINGS ABOUT THIS THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOING TO BE VERY, UM, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S TIME FOR US TO, TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE.

UM, BUT IT, IT ALSO GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY, I THINK FOR US TO REALLY FINE TUNE THE THINGS THAT COME BEFORE YOU.

YOU ALL LIKE THESE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

THAT'S THE TIME THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO REALLY DELVE DEEP INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE ELEMENTS OF A SUBDIVISION, ALL THE ELEMENTS OF A PROJECT THAT SOMEONE'S BRINGING FORWARD.

AND IF ANYTHING EVER CHANGES ON THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES HAVE, WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU ALL.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME GOOD OPPORTUNITIES AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH US, UH, BEING ABLE TO PAUSE THAT AND, UH, GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT TO YOU ALL AS SOON AS WE CAN.

UM, AND, AND MAYBE CON UH,

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THAT'LL JUST, THAT'LL JUST GIVE NATHAN A. LITTLE BIT MORE BREATHING ROOM TO GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A TOPIC TO BE RUSHED.

UM, I REMEMBER WHAT MY OTHER QUESTION WAS TOO.

IN ONE OF THE SLIDES IT SHOWED THAT PRELIMINARY PLATS WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE, BUT THEN WE WOULD SEE THEM LATER.

I FEEL LIKE THAT'S TYING OUR HANDS.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY PRELIMINARY, THEN WHAT, WHAT SO GOVERNANCE THEN DO WE HAVE, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, A CURRENT PROCESS IS IF IT'S A MAJOR PLAT, IT WILL COME, IT COMES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

IF IT'S A MINOR PLAT, IT'S ALREADY BEING APPROVED, REVIEWED, AND APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

OKAY.

IN THE PROPOSED PROCESS, UH, BOTH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REGARDLESS AND THE FINAL PLAT, REGARDLESS IF THEY'RE MAJOR OR MINOR, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING RID OF THAT DEFINITION WOULD BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

SO WHERE YOUR INPUT AND IS NEEDED IS IN THAT MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS THE FIRST PHASE, THE FIRST STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

COMM, COMMISSIONER KATES, WILL ALL THE CHANGES BE RED LINE CHANGES AS OPPOSED TO JUST GIVING US A NEW LANGUAGE? UH, YES TO, TO THE BEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, YES.