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[1. CALL TO ORDER – 5:30 PM]
EVENING.WELCOME TO THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS MEETING TODAY, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 7TH, 2025 AT FIVE 30.
[2. CONFLICT OF INTEREST ]
CONFLICTS OF INTA TODAY ON ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? NO.UM, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY? NO.
WELL, FRANKIE'S GONNA CHECK REAL QUICK.
THEY ALL JUST SIGN WE WERE THE CASES THEN.
JUST FOR REFERENCE, EVERYBODY THAT SIGNED IN ARE JUST PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TO REPRESENT THE CASES.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA: All items listed below within the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the Historic Landmark Commission and may be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of items unless a Commission Member or citizen so requests, in which event the item may be moved to the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.]
ALL RIGHT.MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, ITEM 2 0 2 5 5 0 6 TO CONSIDER A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING ON AUGUST 5TH, 2005.
COMMISSIONERS SAID Y'ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT.
WHEN YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS.
CAN COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, AND THEN A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GRAVES IF EVERYBODY CAN VOTE.
[A. CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT FOR A NEW HANGING SIGN LOCATED AT 104 E HOSACK (BOERNE SIPS NUTRITION).]
[C. CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT FOR A NEW HANGING SIGN LOCATED AT 615 S MAIN ST (MINISTRY OF DANCE).]
MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.UM, M CAN BE COMBINING FIVE A WITH FIVE C.
THEY'RE TWO SIGNS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THE SAME MONUMENT, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA COMBINE THEM FOR TODAY'S REFERENCES.
UM, SO IT'S A CONSIDERED CONDITION.
CONSIDER THE CERTIFICATE OF APP FOR ASSIGNED TWO SIGNS PERMITS, UM, FOR NEW HANGING SIGNS LOCATED AT 1 0 4 EAST HOAC.
ONE IS FOR BERNIE SIPS NUTRITION, AND THAT NUMBER IS 2 0 2 5 5 0 7.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS FOR MINISTRY OF DANCE AND IT'S 2 0 2 5 DASH 5 0 9.
I AM A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WE PRESENTING THESE TWO ITEMS. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, UH, THIS PRESENTATION WILL PRESENT TWO INDIVIDUAL SIGNS THAT WILL BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY.
UH, WE'RE PRESENTING 'EM TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE'LL BE INDIVIDUAL TENANT SIGNS LOCATED ON THE SAME BASE.
UH, THE LOCATIONS OF THESE SIGNS WILL BE AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AT 6 1 5 SOUTH MAIN.
UH, THESE SIGNS ARE FOR MINISTRY OF DANCE AND BERNIE SIPS NUTRITION.
THEY'RE EACH REQUESTING A COA FOR A HANGING SIGN FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IMAGE SHOWS THE PROPOSED SIGN LOCATION, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS A TEMPORARY BANNER SIGN, UM, HANGING IN IT.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED C TWO TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL AND IS CURRENTLY USED AS A DANCE STUDIO AND BERNIE SIPS NUTRITION IS A PART OF THE ANNEX ON THE BACK.
UM, THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1923 AS THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF BERNIE.
UM, A BRIEF HI HISTORY ON THIS SITE, IF IT LOOKS FAMILIAR TO YOU GUYS.
UH, IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, A THIS LOCATION REQUESTED A COA FOR A HANGING SIGN AT THE SAME LOCATION.
UH, THIS PREVIOUS PROJECT WAS FOR NATIVE BLENDS, A NUTRITION BUSINESS THAT WAS LOCATED THERE.
UM, IT WAS APPROVED, PROVIDED THAT IT MATCHED THE THEN EXISTING TENANT SIGN, WHICH IS NO LONGER EXISTING.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST PROPOSED SIGN FOR MINISTRY OF DANCE.
UH, IT FEATURES A WANT WHITE FONT WITH SILVER AND GOLD ACCENTS.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 23.75 SQUARE FEET, IS NOT ILLUMINATED AND HAS A BLACK BACKGROUND.
UH, STAFF FINDS THAT IT MEETS THE FOLLOWING UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
IT'S LESS THAN FOUR COLORS, MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TWO FONTS.
IT'S NOT ILLUMINATED AND HAS A METAL MATERIAL.
THIS IS THE SECOND PROPOSED SIGN.
IT IS FOR BERNIE SIPS NUTRITION.
IT FEATURES A BLUE GRAY FONT, IS APPROXIMATELY 16 SQUARE FEET, IS NOT ILLUMINATED AND HAS A CREAM COLORED BACKGROUND.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IN THIS RENDERING, THE SIGNS APPEAR TO BE THE SAME SIZE, BUT THE MINISTRY OF DANCE SIGN IS SLIGHTLY LARGER.
UH, STAFF ANALYSIS FOR THE BERNIE SUB SIGN FINDS THAT IT IS LESS THAN FOUR COLORS, MAXIMUM OF TWO FONTS IS NOT ILLUMINATED AND HAS A METAL MATERIAL.
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UM, GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE, UH, WITH PREVIOUS SIGNED PERMITS APPLIED FOR IT, THIS LOCATION, THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROVIDED AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION.THEY WOULD PREFER THE INITIAL DESIGNS, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT CHANGES ARE OFTEN MADE.
WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THESE ALTERNATIVES OF OPTIONS.
UH, THEY, THEY CONSIST OF BLACK FONT, UH, 16 SQUARE FOOT PANELS, NON ILLUMINATED AND CREAM BACKGROUNDS.
AGAIN, WITH THESE, WE FIND THAT THEY MEET THE FOUR STIPULATIONS, LESS THAN FOUR COLORS, MAXIMUM TWO FONTS, NON ILLUMINATED AND METAL MATERIAL.
UH, WITH THAT I WILL YIELD TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION AND MOTIONS.
UM, DOES OF YOU COMMISSIONER HAVE ANY COMMENTS OF THE SIGNS AS PRESENTED FIRST AND THEN WE'LL, OR THE ALTERNATIVE COLOR CHOICES? I DON'T, I DON'T MIND THE TOP ONE BEING BLACKISH SHOWN, BUT I, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO BE THE SAME SIZE BECAUSE YOU SAID THE BOTTOM ONE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE IN IT BEING SMALLER? UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S NECESSARILY A PURPOSE.
I THINK THE MINISTRY OF DANCE ONE IS LARGER 'CAUSE IT HAS SOME SMALLER FONT ON IT.
WELL, I THINK WE, WE VOTED ON THIS BEFORE, WHICH NOT THIS, THIS LOCATION AND IT CAME, THERE HAD TO BE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE MATH AND THERE WAS ONLY SO MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE SIGN THAT THEY COULD HAVE.
SO THEY WERE GONNA SPLIT IT UP.
THE LARGEST SIGN ON TOP, SMALLER AND SMALLER.
DO Y'ALL, DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER THAT? IT DOES SOUND FAMILIAR.
I THINK THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN A WHILE BACK, BUT IT WASN'T, IT A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE OF IT AND THEN THEY
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CHANGED IN THE NEW UDC, BUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, RESEARCHED BEFORE APPROVAL.
UH, SO BOTH OF THESE SIGNS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS.
IN ADDITION TO APPLYING FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM THIS BOARD, THEY ALSO APPLY FOR A, UH, A BUILDING PERMIT SIGN.
AND IT DID MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE UDC, UH, AS PROPOSED WITH THE OPTION ONE WITH THIS.
IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THEM BEING THE SAME SIZE? NO, NOT AS FAR AS THE UDC GOES.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM? NO.
SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY YEAH, LET'S BRING THE APPLICANT UP.
SHARON, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO, IF IT, IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT IS SHOWN HERE AS FAR AS THE SIZE? IT LOOKS LIKE THIS SIZE DIFFERENCE IS NOT APPRECIABLE FROM A DISTANCE.
UM, I THINK YOU SAID THAT THE IMAGE ISN'T PROPORTIONS CORRECTLY.
THE IMAGE IS NOT, UH, NECESSARILY TO SCALE.
YOU CAN SEE ON THIS ONE IT IS 96 INCHES WIDE.
AND THEN FOR THE MINISTRY OF DAN'S, IT'S 114.
SO IT'S EIGHT INCHES WIDER AND SIX INCHES HIGHER.
BUT IT DOES SEEM PROPORTIONATE WHERE IF THE TOP ONE IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE BOTTOM, I DO APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE METAL AND NOT PLASTIC AND WON'T FADE OVER TIME BECAUSE THAT CAN BE A BIT OF AN EYESORE WHEN THAT OCCURS.
UH, I LIKE THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE BLACK WITH THE BLACK AND THE WHITE.
I THINK THAT BREAKS IT UP A BIT.
UM, SO OPINION WISE, IF IT, IF IT MEETS, UM, IF IT, IT'S ALREADY MET, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS, IF IT DOESN'T LOOK, YOU KNOW, AWKWARD AS FAR AS THIS ONE BEING LARGER THAN THE OTHER.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'LL HEAR WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO SAY.
IS THERE ROOM ON THIS MONUMENT TO HAVE A THIRD BUSINESS LINE OR IS IT JUST THE TWO BUSINESS LINE MONUMENT? I BELIEVE IT USED TO HAVE A THIRD.
UH, MY NAME IS MATT MATTINGLY WITH SONAMA.
UH, I THINK THERE'S A PLAN FOR A THIRD IN THE FUTURE.
THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIO THERE.
YEAH, I THINK I, I DO REMEMBER THAT IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THEY WERE ONLY ALLOWED SO MUCH SIGNAGE FOR THIS HANGING SIGN THERE.
AND SO THEY HAD TO DIVIDE IT UP BETWEEN THE THREE BUSINESSES.
AND I JUST REMEMBER IT WAS THE BIGGEST ONE WAS ON TOP AND THEN THEY WENT SMALLER AS THEY GOT DOWN THERE.
I, WE, WE ALREADY VOTED ON THAT AND DECIDED THAT WAS THE WAY IT'S GONNA GO, BUT I GUESS WE COULD CHANGE IT.
I ONLY THINK TWO OF Y'ALL WERE HERE FOR THAT.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN JUST, I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN WITH ME.
I MEAN, I REMEMBER SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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OKAY.BUT I MEAN, IF IT'S PAST, IT'S PAST, IF IT'S PAST THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THE SIGNED PERMIT, WE'LL CHANGE.
AND SINCE THE UH, THE OTHER OPTION WAS PRESENTED, I LIKE HAVING THE TWO SIGNS ALMOST MATCHING THE FONT AND, UH, I'M GONNA VOTE FOR THAT SINCE IT WAS PRESENTED AND IT'S AN OPTION.
I'M, THAT'S THE ONE I VOTE FOR.
IT HAS MORE UNIFORM AND I THINK IT'S SHOWS MORE OF A, A HISTORIC FEEL IS A DANCE LESSON APPLICANT.
'CAUSE I KNOW THEY LOSE A LOT OF THEIR INFORMATION WITH THIS DESIGN VERSUS THE OTHER ONE.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT COMMENT.
THEY LOSE A LOT OF THEIR INFORMATION IF, WELL, THEY PRESENTED IT AS AN ALTERNATIVE, SO THEY MUST BE FINE WITH IT.
BUT WOULD THE THIRD BUSINESS BE BOUND TO MATCH THOSE THEN? SURE.
THE THIRD BUSINESS WOULD ALSO HAVE TO APPLY.
RIGHT? IT'D HAVE TO COME THROUGH US.
SO IS THIS ALTERNATIVE THE SAME SIZE THEN THEY WOULD BOTH BE THE SAME SIZE IN THIS ALTERNATIVE? UH, 16 SQUARE FEET.
AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE DANCE STUDIO.
THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE OF MY COMPANY THAT'S DEALING WITH IT, BUT IF THEY WANTED TO GO WITH THIS STYLE BUT STILL HAVE ALL THE SAME INFORMATION, WOULD Y'ALL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT IF THEY PRESENTED THE FIRST STYLE BUT WITH THIS COLOR, WE'D HAVE TO VOTE FOR WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED ON THE PICTURE? YES.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO, UH, PRESENT A MOTION AND, UH, MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE ALTERNATIVE FOR ACTION ITEM 2025 DASH 5 0 7.
AND FOR ACTION ITEM 2025 DASH 5 0 9 AS PRESENTED, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO BE SEPARATE, WE HAVE TO FINISH 5 0 7 FIRST AND MADAM CHAIR.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE FOR THE HANGING SIGN FOR ACTION ITEM 2025 DASH 5 0 7.
CONSIDERING THE ALTERNATIVE VERSION, DO WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER THAT WANTS TO SECOND THAT MOTION OR HAVE A OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND.
THAT FIRST, UM, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER NICHOLS AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GRAVES IF EVERYBODY COULD VOTE, PLEASE.
OKAY, SO THAT SIGN, UM, FOR 2 0 2 5 5 0 7 HAS APPROVED.
IT'S, WE HAVE THE SECOND SIGN.
LOADING MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE APPROPRIATE, UH, CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGNED PERMIT FOR HANGING SIGN, UH, FOR ACTION ITEM 2025 DASH 5 0 9, UH, AS PRESENTED, SELECTING THE ALTERNATIVE VERSION.
OKAY, WE HAVE A CONCERN UNLESS A SECOND.
THAT MOTION I DOESN'T SHOW IT.
OH, SORRY, I DIDN'T CLEAR THE MOTION.
SO WE HAVE A, UM, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OLS NICHOLAS, SORRY, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
HOW DO I SAY HER NAME WRONG? OH, HANDS, HANDS, LIKE IT'S ALWAYS SAY IT WRONG.
UM, IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS CAN VOTE FOR, UM, ACTION ITEM 2 0 2 5 DASH 5 0 9.
THAT MOTION PASSES FOR THAT SIGN.
ALSO, IF, UM, IF THE DANCE STUDIO WANTS TO COME BACK TO PRESENT AGAIN WITH ANOTHER PERMIT FOR ADDING MORE INFORMATION ON IT, UM, THEY'RE MORE WELCOME TO DO THAT.
MOVE ON TO LET ME FOLLOW MY NOTES.
[B. CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT FOR A WALL SIGN LOCATED AT 104 E HOSACK (BOERNE SIPS NUTRITION).]
ACTION ITEM 2 0 2 5 5 0 8.UM, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SIGN PERMANENT ON FOR THE WALL SIGN, LOCATED AT 1 0 4 EAST HOAC FOR BERNIE SIPS NUTRITION.
THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS IN RELATION TO THE PROPERTY AT 1 0 4 EAST HOAC STREET.
SHOWN IN THE IMAGE THE APPLICANT IS BERNIE SIPS NUTRITION REQUESTING A COA FOR A NEW WALL SIGN FOR THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH IS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C TWO TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL AND IS CURRENTLY USED FOR RETAIL SALE.
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THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1950 AS AN ANNEX TO THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF BERNIE.THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE PROPOSED WALL SIGN.
UH, THIS SIGN IS APPROXIMATELY 16 SQUARE FEET.
FEATURES A WHITE FONT WITH A BLUE GRAY BACKGROUND AND IS NON ILLUMINATED.
STAFF FINDS THAT IT MEETS THE FOLLOWING UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF BEING LESS THAN FOUR COLORS, A MAXIMUM OF TWO FONTS NON ILLUMINATED AND A METAL MATERIAL.
WITH THAT I YIELD TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION AND MOTION.
OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SIGN? I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE CAN KEEP THE SIGN COLOR UNIFORM FOR THE ADDRESS AND USE THE, SO THE, THE MONUMENT SIGN IS IN FRONT OF 6 1 5 AND THIS ONE IS KIND OF DOWN AROUND THE BEHIND, SO DON'T REALLY SEE THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, IF THAT'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
UM, I STILL THINK, UH, UNIF, UH, HAVING A COMMON MOTIF WITH THE COLOR, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.
I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST COMMENT THAT, UH, SITTING ON THAT CREAM WALL, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULDN'T WANT THE CREAM SIGN, YOU'D HAVE TO USE THE DARK COLOR IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT.
AND THEY DID PAINT THEIR DOOR, I THINK, TO MATCH THIS COLOR.
THEY'VE ALREADY PAINTED THAT DOOR, THAT COLOR.
I MAKE A MOTION, I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE COA FOR THE BERNIE SIPS, UH, SIGN AS PRESENTED AT 1 0 4 EAST HOAC.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MINES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT IF EVERYBODY CAN VOTE.
THAT SIGN FOR, UM, THE WALL SIGN FOR BERNICE SIPS NUTRITION IS PASSED AS WELL.
[D. CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW FENCE LOCATED AT 604 S MAIN.]
OKAY.THE LAST REGULAR AGENDA ITEM IS, IT'S A GOOD ACTION ITEM 2 0 2 5 5 1 0 CERTIFICATE.
CONSIDER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW FENCE LOCATED AT 6 0 4 SOUTH MAIN.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 6 0 4 SOUTH MAIN.
THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ADAM ON BEHALF OF SAM MAGEE.
THEY'RE REQUESTING A COA FOR A FENCE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE WHOLE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED C TWO TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL AND IS CURRENTLY USED AS AN OFFICE SPACE.
THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED AS A SINGLE FRIENDLY HOME CIRCA 1910.
UH, THIS IMAGE SHOWS THE SUBJECT BUILDING ON THE RIGHT KIND OF BEHIND THE TREE, UM, WITH THE PROPOSED PROPOSED FENCE LOCATION BEING NEAR THE BRICK BUILDING TOWARDS THE LEFT REAR OF THE PHOTO.
THE PROPOSED FENCE WILL BE OF IRON AND STONE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, IT'LL FEATURE 44 INCH MASONRY PILLARS WITH IRON PANELS.
IT'LL BE APPROXIMATELY 95 FEET IN LENGTH AND CONNECT TO AN EXISTING WOODEN PRIVACY FENCE WITH A SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY PILLAR.
UH, THESE IMAGES SHOW THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED FENCE AS WELL AS THE EXISTING WOODEN FENCE.
STAFF ANALYSIS FINDS THAT THIS MEETS THE UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF FENCES OF CAST IRON MAY BE ADDED TO BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED IN THE LATE 19TH AND EARLY 20TH CENTURY.
AND THAT IRON IS AN ACCEPTABLE FENCE TYPE I YIELD TO THE COMMISSION WITH THESE FOR DISCUSSION AND MOTION.
DO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO THIS WILL RUN ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
DO YOU HAVE THIS IMAGE THAT YOU CAN PUT ON THE SCREEN? IT'S THE ONE THAT SHOWS LIKE THE FENCE DESCRIPTION.
MR. ADAMS, UM, THAT TOUCH WHERE BE WELL, YEAH, I MEAN JUST LIKE THIS.
AND DO YOU HAVE THAT SLIDE ON THERE? SLIDE DID YOU I DIDN'T SEE, DID YOU HAVE THAT SLIDE? I DON'T HAVE THIS.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? BASICALLY YOUR, WHICH STREET WOULD THE IRON FENCE BE FACING ON? IT'S NOT FACING A STREET.
IT'S LIKE BETWEEN TWO FACING A PRIVATE DRIVE.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY VISIBLE FROM
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MAIN STREET.I CAN, IS IT OKAY IF I PASS THIS? THAT WAS IN THE AGENDA PACKET? YEAH.
IT SHOWS LIKE ON THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE IT IS, IT SEEMS PERIOD APPROPRIATE.
UM, THE PIC, THE PHOTO OF IT LOOKS QUITE ATTRACTIVE, ACTUALLY MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN THE WOOD FENCE IN MY OPINION.
IN, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THIS PHOTO, THE LEFT EDGE OF THE PHOTO WOULD BE MAIN STREET.
BUT THAT KIND OF HELPS YOU GET A BETTER IDEA.
AND IT WOULD BE NEAR THE BRICK BUILDING RUNNING.
WHAT DIRECTION WOULD THAT BE? OKAY, EAST TO WEST.
BUT IT'S NOT TAKING DOWN THE WOODEN FENCE.
IT'S JUST GONNA, IT'S NOT, IT'LL, IT'LL CONNECT MASONRY PILLAR TO THE WOODEN FENCE, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL, SO IT'S IN FRONT OF THE YEAH, I THINK THE IRON IS MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN THE WOOD FENCE.
AND THAT'S THE, THE IRON THEN WOULD BE, UM, OR THE METAL FENCE WOULD BE WHAT IS MORE VISIBLE FROM MAIN STREET.
WITH THE STONE LITTLE PILLARS.
WANT ME SEE THE, HOW TALL IS THE FENCE GONNA BE AGAIN? SO FOUR FEET, 44 44 INCHES, AND THEN WHERE IT CONNECTS TO THE FENCE WILL BE A SIX FOOT PILLOW.
THE ONE SAMPLE PICTURE SHOWS SOME FALS ON TOP OF THE SPINDLES, BUT NOT IN THE ACTUAL DIAGRAM.
IT WILL, WILL THE FENCE HAVE, I MEAN MAY, YEAH.
MR. ADAMS, IF YOU CAN TO MR. ADAMS BETTER COME EXPLAIN YOUR PROJECT, SIR.
I'M AN ARCHITECT HERE IN BERNIE.
UH, I LIVE AT 1 1 5 JAMES STREET.
UH, MY CAD SOFTWARE DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO FINIALS.
SO THE PHOTOGRAPH IS TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE, UH, CLIENT WOULD LIKE AND THAT IS TO HAVE THE FENOS THAT ARE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.
THE CAD DRAWING IS MORE WHERE IT'S A FLAT TOP.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO TWO OPTIONS SHOWN.
THERE IS A SITE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UM, MR. ARTHUR'S BUILDING THE RED BRICK BUILDING.
UH, IT'S KIND OF A COLONIAL STYLE.
UM, AND IT SLOPES HEAVILY TOWARDS THIS DRIVEWAY.
SO THE OPTION WE PREFER IS THE OPTION IS THE FIRST OPTION, WHICH THERE'S A CONTINUOUS STONE WALL AT THE BOTTOM, PROBABLY EIGHT TO 12 INCHES TALL, AND THEN THE IRON ABOVE IT.
THAT WAY IT KIND OF DEALS WITH THAT SEPARATION.
AND MR. ARTHUR'S, UM, UM, DIRT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO INTO THE DRIVEWAY ALL THE TIME.
BUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, THE SECOND AL ALTERNATE IS PROVIDED WHERE IT'S JUST IRON IN BETWEEN THE STONE COLUMNS AND WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THIS DOCUMENT.
OH, LAST WEEK THERE WAS EMAILED, I MEAN, TO PUT IT UP ON OUR MONITORS OR ANYTHING, OR I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW FRANKIE? NO.
MR. ADAM WOULD THAT, IF WE, IF WE GO WITH THE, THE ROCK LOWER PORTION TO KEEP THE DIRT AND THE GRAVEL AND ALL OF THAT FROM COMING ONTO THE DRIVEWAY, WOULD THAT RAISE THE HEIGHT THEN? NO, IT WOULD NOT.
IT'LL KEEP THE UDC REQUIRES THAT IT HAS TO BE 48 INCHES OR LOWER, SO THE OVERALL HEIGHT WOULD STAY THE SAME.
YOU WANTED TO SEE AN FENCE THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THAT? UM, THE FENCES THAT ARE ALONG THE, UH, BURNING CEMETERY ARE TYPICALLY LIKE THAT WHERE YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WR IRON ABOVE A STONE LEDGE.
UH, THE FENCE THAT'S AT THE COLUMBARIUM AT ST.
SO IT'S A STYLE THAT WAS USED QUITE A BIT.
I THINK BACK IN THE OLD DAYS IT WAS PROBABLY MORE TO KEEP YOUR DOG IN AND DEAL WITH LANDSCAPING.
IN OUR CASE, IT'S REALLY MORE APPROPRIATE FROM A PERFORMANCE STANDPOINT WHEN YOU'RE DOING TRIMMING GRASS OR HEDGES THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING THE HEAT, THE WEED EATER CONSTANTLY GET HIT BY THE IRON.
SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A SOLID PIECE OF THAT.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT STONE YOU WOULD BE USING? WE'D BE USING CREAM LIMESTONE.
IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT, THAT'S ALREADY ONE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE BUILDING, YOU MIGHT SEE IT.
SO THERE, UM, IN THE PACKAGE AS WELL AS IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, THERE'S A LIMESTONE SIGN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE HLCA COUPLE YEARS BACK.
IT'D BE THE EXACT SAME STONE AND THE DETAILING OF THE STONE WORK WOULD BE THE SAME TO MATCH THAT.
IN FACT, I THINK THAT SIGN IS 48 INCHES HIGH.
SO IT'S REALLY, IF YOU SAW THAT SIGN FROM THE SIDE, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WHAT THE COLUMNS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE.
ARE WE SCISSOR DALE CREAM? ARE WE APPROVING ONE OR THE OTHER OPTIONS? WE WOULD PREFER THAT YOU APPROVED.
UM, UH, AT LEAST ENOUGH THE STONE THE FIRST OPTION, BUT IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE BOTH, THAT'S OKAY.
OUR, OUR PREFERENCE IS TO USE THE OPTION WHERE WE HAVE THAT, THAT STONE ON THE BOTTOM.
IT WAS REALLY JUST TO GIVE YOU AN ALL OPTION IF YOU FELT LIKE THAT WAS TOO MUCH.
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IT WOULD BETTER TO HAVE THE STONE ON BOTTOM DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.TRYING TO PULL IT TIME IN OTHER AREAS.
I LIKE THE STONE OPTION BECAUSE IT MATCHES THAT THE SIGN, THE OTHER SIGN.
AND UM, IT ALSO WORKS FOR THE PURPOSE STATED, BUT ALSO TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PROTECT RUNOFF AS WELL.
IT'S LIKE THE VERY FIRST AT THE TOP.
IF YOU SCROLL UP TO THE TOP, SCROLL UP TO THE TOP.
SO THAT'S LIKE AN OLD THAT, LIKE AN OLDER VERSION.
THE, THE CEMETERY OR SIMILAR MM-HMM
THAT PARTICULAR PHOTOGRAPH DEFINITELY PREFER A LITTLE TALLER THAN WHAT? WE'LL THE STONE ON BOTTOM RIGHT.
YOU GET THE CONCEPT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
AND IF YOU SCROLL DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN SEE THE END CONDITION OF THE COLUMN OF THE SIGNAGE.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ON THE SECOND PAGE.
NOT THAT YOU CAN ZOOM IN, BUT THAT RIGHT THERE WOULD BE WHAT, WHAT A COLUMN WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THANK YOU FOR YOU PULLING THAT UP.
WHOEVER FOUND IT
SO, OH, I MAKE A MOTION TO UH, APPROVE THE COA FOR THE FENCE AT 6 0 4 NORTH MAIN OR SETH MAIN, UM, AS PRESENTED WITH THE STONE FOOTING.
AND I SECOND IT, BUT I CLICK THAT TOO.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MINES IN THIS.
WHERE'D YOU GO? LOOKS LIKE THE MOTION WENT AWAY.
SO I YOU COULD DO YOUR MOTION.
DO I NEED TO DO IT AGAIN OR JUST HIT THE BUTTON TOMORROW? YEAH.
AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HANDS IF EVERYBODY CAN VOTE.
WAIT, ARE YOU MESSING IT UP? THAT'S THE WRONG ONE.
THE, UM, CERTIFICATE FOR THE NEW FENCE LOCATED AT 6 0 4 SOUTH MAIN HAS PASSED.
UM, THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF THE REGULAR AGENDA AND THERE'S
[A. DISCUSSION ON HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING DATE AND TIME.]
TWO ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION.UM, ARE YOU PRESENTING THAT? I AM
WE'RE JUST GONNA TALK FOR A MINUTE,
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, ITEM A ON HERE.
DISCUSSION ON HL LCS MEETING DATE AND TIME.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A REGULARLY SET DATE.
IT'S THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH.
UM, WHAT YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW IS THAT WE HAVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULARLY THE DAY BEFORE.
IT'S ALWAYS ON THE FIRST MONDAY OF THE MONTH, AS WELL AS ANOTHER COMMITTEE THAT MEETS ON THE SECOND TWO, UH, THURSDAY OF THE MONTH, WHICH ABOUT HALF THE TIME OVERLAPS IN THE SAME WEEK.
UM, THAT COMBINED WITH SOME, UH, CHANGES MADE BY THE STATE THAT IS NOW REQUIRING CITIES TO PROVIDE, UH, THE AGENDA EARLIER IS GETTING US A LITTLE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, UM, AND, AND GETTING US A LITTLE PACKED IN AS FAR AS WHEN WE'RE SEEING A BUNCH OF CASE WORK COME IN.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE IDEA OF SHIFTING SOME, UH, SHIFTING OUR REGULAR MEETING DATE AWAY FROM THE SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH, EXCUSE ME, AWAY FROM THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH TO THE THIRD MONDAY OF THE MONTH.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY DATES THAT THIS ROOM IS, UH, CONSISTENTLY AVAILABLE.
SO WE WANTED TO RUN IT BY YOU.
SEE IF THAT SEEMED LIKE THERE WOULD BE ANY CONFLICTS THAT YOU WOULD REGULARLY HAVE, UM, FOR THIS MEETING.
I JUST
SO, UH, YEAH, THERE, THERE'S SOME DAYS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON HOLIDAYS OR WHATEVER, WE END UP HAVING TO POST, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE AGENDAS ON ONE DAY OR A LITTLE WONKY.
SO IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER FROM US AND BE ABLE FOR US TO PROVIDE, UM, MORE ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND MORE INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKETS IF WE WERE ABLE TO SCOOT IT TO A DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME TONIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO TO TO GET YOU THINKING ABOUT IT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE.
WHEN DOES THAT START? UH, IT WOULDN'T START YET.
IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE LOTS OF AWARENESS FOR.
IT WOULDN'T BE UNTIL 2026 AT THE EARLIEST.
BUT WE'RE SAYING THE THIRD MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH OF FIVE 30? THAT'S CORRECT.
ASSUMING FIVE 30 IS STILL A TIME THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY AS WELL? YES.
I'M PRETTY STRONG ON THE FIVE 30 MM-HMM
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HERE.I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED IT RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM TODAY JUST TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO ISSUES.
WE'LL HAVE TO BRING IT FORWARD.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S CODIFIED SO WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE IT FOR AN AMENDMENT, SO, OKAY.
[B. DISCUSSION ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION IMPROVEMENT GRANT.]
B FOR DISCUSSION ITEMS IS DISCUSS HISTORIC PRESERVATION IMPROVEMENT GRANT PROGRAM.SO I KNOW WE DID NOT HAVE A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER 'CAUSE WE HAD NOTHING ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING WE HAD HAD A TRAINING, UM, ABOUT, UH, EXCUSE ME, THAT INCLUDED THE GRANT PROGRAM AND THE CHANGES THAT HAD MADE TO IT.
AND SO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM Y'ALL WAS WANTING TO BE PROACTIVE AND GO OUT ON MAIN STREET AND INVITE, UH, THE, THE SHOP OWNERS TO APPLY FOR THINGS.
SO WE WANTED TO SET UP SOME TIME, UM, WHERE WE WOULD PARTNER WITH Y'ALL.
SO IT WOULD BE STAFF AND HLC GOING DOOR TO DOOR AND MAKING THOSE CONNECTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND PASSING OUT THE, THE FLYER THAT WE SHOWED YOU AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S AN OPTION.
SO I WANTED TO SEE IF THAT MET WHAT Y'ALL BROUGHT UP A FEW MONTHS AGO AND MAKE SURE IT FEELS THE FILLS THE NEED THAT YOU PRESENTED, AS WELL AS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY GENERAL TIME IN THE NEXT, UM, YOU KNOW, STARTING TO BE NICE WEATHER NOW.
SO ANY GENERAL TIME IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, UM, THAT YOU WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO DO SO.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIMME DATES RIGHT NOW, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, LIKE TUESDAYS NEVER WORK, THAT'S FINE.
WE'LL, WE'LL PULL TUESDAYS OUT.
UM, AND JUST MAKE SURE Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN IT.
DO YOU JUST NEED LIKE ONE COMMISSIONER OR DO YOU WANT LIKE, WHEN Y'ALL GO OUT? AS LONG AS WE STAY BELOW QUORUM, WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE COMMISSIONERS AT A TIME, SO IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF ORGANIZATION.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, MAX THREE HLC MEMBERS.
WE CAN'T GO TO ANYBODY'S STORE THAT DAY.
SO I WOULD PREFER TO STAY TWO HLC MEMBERS AT A TIME JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T ROLL UP ON EACH OTHER AND ACCIDENTALLY, UM, VIOLATE THE OPEN MEETING ACT.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING DOOR TO DOOR IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FROM FREDERICK TO OAK PARK? UH, OR WHERE YOU, I MEAN, WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO? I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.
I, I I THINK, UH, WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY BEING THE SHOP OWNER?
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU PROPOSE GETTING AROUND THAT? OR YOU'RE JUST GONNA, OR IS IT MORE JUST LIKE GIVING INFORMATION, LIKE THEY CAN GIVE IT TO YOU A PACKET OF INFORMATION, LIKE A PAMPHLET OF SOME SORT? YEAH.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD IN AUGUST IS MM-HMM
LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WE OFFER, UM, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE UNDERUTILIZED FOR THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, MAKING SURE THAT THE OWNERS, UH, OR THE SHOP OWNER KNOW THAT IT IS A, UM, AN OPTION AND MAYBE THEY OWN THE, THE STRUCTURE THEMSELVES.
MAYBE THEY'RE JUST A LEASE, BUT THEN THEY COULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND TALK WITH THEIR OWNER ABOUT IT.
WE COULD SET UP FOLLOW UP CALLS.
OF COURSE, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN HERE AT THE CITY TO TALK ABOUT OUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF TENANTS, UH, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AND THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT OWN AND OPERATE A BUSINESS TOO, BUT THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF TENANTS.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE COULD GO THROUGH, UH, KINDLE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, FIND THE OWNERS THROUGH THERE AND SEND BROCHURES ELECTRONICALLY.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A, I THINK THERE'S A GOOD POINT FOR PERSONAL CONTACT AS WELL MM-HMM
UM, OR MAILING THEM SOMETHING FROM WHAT? K AD, SO YOU SAID LIKE MAILING, LIKE AN EMAIL? SOMETHING TO YEAH.
OR, OR ACTUAL MAIL OR JUST LIKE IF THEIR ADDRESS IS SEPARATE FROM THE BUILDING OR SO, YEAH.
SO I KNOW THE, UH, THE MAILING ADDRESS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER IS READILY AVAILABLE ON, ON CAD.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANNA DO IN ADDITION TO GOING DOOR TO DOOR? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANNA DO? MAYBE AFTER DOOR TO DOOR? I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK FACE TO FACE, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THE LANDLORD FOR A LOT OF THEM, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, AS A FOLLOW UP AND THE EMAIL WITH, I THINK IT'S JUST A LOT OF PERSONAL CONTACT.
I THINK THAT'S GOOD TO GO DOOR TO DOOR MM-HMM
BUT I THINK GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT TO EVERY SINGLE OWNER IS EASILY DONE AS WELL.
SO I THINK IN ADDITION TO, YEAH.
BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF THAT MAKES SENSE.
I THINK IT'S A, IT'S GOOD TO MAIL IT, BUT THEN, UM, LIKE A IN PERSON TOUCHSTONE TOUCH BASE IS GOOD.
UM, ACTUALLY I THINK A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WHERE OWNERS WILL PROBABLY BE PRESENT IS DIVA KNIGHT BECAUSE ALL THE SHOPS ARE GONNA BE OPEN ON MAIN STREET FOR THAT OR ON ON MAIN DICKENS ON MAIN DICKENS
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ON MAIN AND UM, THE PARADE BROAD RUN.THEY'RE NOT TOO, FORGET ABOUT THE FIRE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES COMING UP.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROPOSAL.
I MEAN WE CAN, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SET IT UP, SEND WISH DAYS OR WE CAN, OR WE TELL YOU WHAT DAYS.
SO I'LL SEND SOME FOLLOW UP EMAIL THEN, UM, UH, PROBABLY A SURVEY TO SEE WHEN EVERYBODY'S AVAILABLE.
UM, AND, AND START ORGANIZING IT THAT WAY.
UM, WHEN YOU REPLY TO THE EMAILS, PLEASE MAKE SURE, SURE.
WE DON'T WANNA AGAIN, VIOLATE OUR OPEN MEETINGS, SO MM-HMM
MAKE SURE I'M STAYING WITH IT AND FOLLOWING UP.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM LEGAL OR STAFF OR COMMISSIONS? UH, I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
UM, MEETING COULD BE ADJOURNED IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO MOVE TO ADJOURN.
MEETING IS LOOK LIKE WE WANNA STAY.
FRANKIE COULD PROBABLY FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT, BUT TEMP ME WITH A GOOD TIME.
WE WOULD'VE TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE TO DENY IT.
MICHAEL AND I WILL GO TOGETHER ON THE STREET AND KNOCK DOOR TO DOOR AND JUST, I'M PICKING THE PARTNER ALREADY.
I'M DOOR MEETING MEETING'S ADJOURNED.