[1. CALL TO ORDER – 5:30 PM]
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TODAY IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 2ND.
LOSING SOME DATES ALREADY AT FIVE 30 FOR THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING.
[2. CONFLICT OF INTEREST]
TO SEE IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE HERE HAVE ANY CONFLICT OF INTERESTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.UM, WAS ONE OF THEM FOR S FOR
SO I JUST WANTED DISCLOSE THAT I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL AND I WORKED WITH ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT HE'S PART OWNER OF THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP OUTSIDE, UM, OF ANY CITY BUSINESS.
I DON'T FEEL THAT'S A CONFLICT.
AND THIS ONE'S JUST, UM, FOR THE GRANT REQUEST.
SO YOU SHOULD BE FINE ON THAT ONE.
AND THEN I KNOW COMMISSIONER, UM, CAESAR'S ON HIS WAY.
HE'S JUST RUNNING LATE AND HE GOT STUCK IN TRAFFIC, BUT HE HAS A CONFLICT.
SO WHEN HE GETS HERE, WE'LL PAUSE AND ASK WHAT THAT ONE IS.
[3. PUBLIC COMMENTS]
NEXT, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS OUTSIDE? DOES ANYBODY, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS.UH, THIS IS OPPORTUNITY FOR VISITORS AND GUESTS TO ADDRESS THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION.
THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS, UM, WHAT IT, WHAT THE ISSUE IS TALKED ABOUT, BUT YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOU WANT US TALK ABOUT.
I DO WANNA MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM, UM, ON YOUR AGENDA.
ITEM B SL JEWELRY SIGN PACKAGE.
UM, THE HANS FAMILY COMPANIES WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THIS AGENDA DUE TO LOGISTICS WITH SAMA.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE'LL GET MOVED TO JANUARY, BUT SOME OF THE SIGNAGE I DID SEE IN THE AGENDA PACKET MAY BE COMPETING WITH SOME OF OUR PROPOSALS.
SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THAT TIME.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA: All items listed below within the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the Historic Landmark Commission and may be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of items unless a Commission Member or citizen so requests, in which event the item may be moved to the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.]
MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.FIRST ITEM 2 0 2 5 DASH 5 98 IS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF HISTORICAL LANDMARK MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT 'EM? NOT, I DIDN'T.
SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE A FIRST BY COMMISSIONER MINES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MADAM.
AND ALL VOTING, UH, MOTION TO PASS THE MINUTES HAS BEEN APPROVED.
[A. 2025-603 CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT FOR A NEW SIGN LOCATED AT 470 S MAIN STREET (SHOE GROOVE).]
AGENDA.MOVING ON, UH, FOR ITEM TWO, NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 6 0 3.
THIS IS A CONSIDERED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT FOR A NEW SIGN.
LOCATED AT FOUR 70 SOUTH MAIN STREET, SHOE GROVE.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM FIRST.
WE'LL LOOK AT SOME BACKGROUND FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY IS ADDRESSED AS FOUR 70 SOUTH MAIN STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS DAVID FRYS, ALSO THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESS CHU GROUP IS HERE IN ATTENDANCE.
TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW SIGN FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, WE DON'T TYPICALLY ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OR PUBLIC INPUT ON, UM, THIS TYPE OF, UH, REQUEST, BUT WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM THE BUILDING OWNER, UH, SUPPORTING THIS SIGN LOCATION, UH, DESIGN.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C3, WHICH IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND IS CURRENTLY USED AS RETAIL TENANT SPACE.
THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BOTH IN 1916 WITH AN ADDITION BEING BUILT BETWEEN 1924 AND 1937.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SIGN AS WELL AS THE SIGN LOCATION.
IT'S MADE OF A METAL MATERIAL, AND IT'S LESS THAN FOUR COLORS.
WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT, UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS LOCATION, THERE IS A PEDESTRIAN SIGN RUNNING PERPENDICULAR THAT'S UNDER THIS AWNING THAT WILL BE REMOVED PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF THIS SIGN.
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MEETS THE FOLLOWING UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.IT'S NOT ILLUMINATED, IT'S A METAL MATERIAL.
IT DOES NOT MEET THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENT OF BEING LESS THAN TWO OR MAXIMUM OF TWO FONTS.
UH, WITH THAT I WILL YIELD TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS WITH THESE MOTIONS.
SO IN ADDITION, CAN, IN ADDITION TO THE, GO AHEAD, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PICTURE? YES.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE NEW SIGN UPDATE, WE'RE CHANGING THE LOCATION ON THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE THE NEWER ONE WE APPROVED UP TOP AND NOW WE'RE MOVING IT BACK NOW, CORRECT.
SO THIS PHOTO HERE IS THE CORRECT LOCATION.
UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS RECALL THAT THIS DID COME BEFORE HLC ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO.
AND THERE WAS QUITE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THIS SIGN.
UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING THIS RENDERING IS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE, UH, PROPOSED TO LOOK LIKE.
AFTER THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE TOP ONE, UH, UH, ACTUALLY REMOVE BOTH THE SIGNS THAT ARE THERE, THE ONE ON TOP ON THE BRICK, AND THE ONE THAT'S HANGING THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK SIGN.
THEY'RE GONNA REMOVE BOTH OF THOSE AND REPLACE IT WITH THIS ONE.
I THOUGHT THAT WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US, ALMOST A YEAR AGO, THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MOVING, HAVING THOSE SIGNS IN, IN THAT BRICK INLAY UNDERNEATH THE LIGHTING DO.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DETAILS OF WHAT WE DECIDED THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ANY OTHER CHANGES, IT THEY WOULD START BEING PUT IN THAT BRICK.
THEY WOULD ALL GET BUMPED UP THE TOP, THEY WOULD ALL GET BUMPED UP TO THE ORIGINAL, TO THE ORIGINAL LOCATIONS OF WHERE THOSE SIGNS WERE.
ARCHITECTURALLY, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE IT UNDERNEATH THE LIGHTS.
BUT I LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AS, AS LONG AS IT'S UNIFORM.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I GUESS, I GUESS MAYBE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAYBE WHEN ALL THREE OF THEM, THEY WERE GONNA BE UPDATING THEIR SIGNS AT ONE POINT, THAT THEY WOULD BE, SO IF WE'RE UPDATING, I BELIEVE, UH, THEY WERE ANTICIPATING A CHANGE IN TENANTS AND THEN THEY WERE GONNA UPDATE AND A CHANGE OF TENANTS, AND THEY HAVE NOT HAD THAT CHANGE IN TENANT.
ADDITIONALLY, UH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, PART OF THE DRIVING, UM, FORCE OF MOVING, UH, THE, THE SIGN ON TOP WAS THAT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE SIGN HANGING ON THE CANOPY AND THEY WANTED THAT PEDESTRIAN SIGN.
AT THIS TIME, THEY'RE SAYING THEY WANT TO MOVE THAT DOWN AND GET RID OF THAT PEDESTRIAN SIGN.
GET RID OF THE WHAT SIGN? THE PEDESTRIAN.
OH, THE LITTLE ONE UNDER THE ONION.
THE ONE THAT'S HANGING UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY.
THEN I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE LOGO DOES NOT MEET THE FONT REQUIREMENTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S MORE THAN TWO.
BUT THAT IS PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
I KNOW BIRKENSTOCK CAN'T CHANGE THEIR FONTS.
SHE WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS A ALTERNATIVE SIGN DATE ON THAT, IF THAT'S BOX.
SO THAT IS, IF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, IF YOU DON'T MIND STATING YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
I'M BARBARA HINNEY AND I'M THE OWNER OF SHU GROOVE.
SO THE REASON SHOULD I STOP OR CONTINUE? NO, I DON'T.
SO THE REASON THIS ALL CAME TO PASS WAS WHEN I HAVE TWO STORES IN SAN ANTONIO, WHICH WERE CALLED BIRKENSTOCK GENERAL STORE.
BIRKENSTOCK WOULD NOT ALLOW ME TO USE THE NAME AFTER 28 YEARS FOR WHATEVER REASON.
I'M NOT SURE, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT I THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THEIR NAMES BACK FROM THE STORES THAT ARE STILL ABOUT 50 STORES IN THE US.
SO, YEARS AGO WHEN WE BECAME A NAME STORE FOR BIRKENSTOCK, THEY REALLY NEEDED US.
THEY DON'T NEED US AS MUCH RIGHT NOW, AND BIRKENSTOCK IS QUITE A DRAW.
SO WHEN I OPENED UP A SHOE GROOVE, NOBODY KNEW WHAT I CARRIED OR WHO I WAS.
IT'S BEEN A REALLY, REALLY TOUGH YEAR.
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UM, I ASKED THE SALESMAN, I GUESS ABOUT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.I SAID, WHAT DO YOU THINK IF I WERE TO SAY IF, UH, YOUR BIRKENSTOCK STORE? HE SAID, THAT'S GOOD.
SO THAT'S HOW THIS CAME ABOUT.
SO WE CHOSE TO USE THE EXACT SAME SIGN THAT WAS APPROVED AND JUST ADDING, UH, YOUR BIRKENSTOCK STORE, WHICH WOULD REALLY BE HELPFUL TO US, AND ALSO TO THE PEOPLE THAT SHOP.
AND, UH, SO WE, AND I WAS GONNA LEAVE IT UP THERE, AND THEN CHARLIE REALLY WANTED IT DOWN FURTHER, SO WE NEGOTIATED AND I SAID, OKAY, I'LL MOVE IT DOWN.
OTHER QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE FONT GOES, THAT'S BROKEN.
AND THEY GET REALLY UPSET IF YOU CHANGE THE COLOR EVEN.
DO YOU MAY HAVE A MOTION TO DO OR HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ANYTHING? NO, I, I, I, I LIKE IT LOWER AS YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, IT JUST MAKES ALL THE SIGNS UNIFORM.
PEOPLE ARE THANKING TO MAKE A MOTION OR NOT
WELL, WOULD YOU BE WILLING IF, IF THE TENANT ON THE LEFT A MOTION CHANGES? OH, THAT'S OKAY.
WOULD YOU, WOULD WE THINK ABOUT MOVING THEM BOTH UP? LIKE WHERE, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME? SO THAT IS WHERE THE PARTNER OF THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING SAID HE MADE A MISTAKE BY LETTING US MOVE UP.
AND NOW HE WOULD REALLY RATHER THAT WE ALL BE TOGETHER AND ALL FUTURE TENANTS WILL ALL BE IN THE SAME PLACE.
COMMISSIONER, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SIGN LOCATED AT FOUR 70 SOUTH MAIN STREET SHOE GROOVE, UH, AS PRESENTED.
I HAVE A FIRST BY COMMISSIONER MIS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
YOUR NEW SIGN HAS PASSED AND, OKAY.
LOOKING FORWARD FOR YOUR NEW SIGN.
[B. 2025-604 CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT FOR FOUR NEW SIGNS LOCATED AT 455 S MAIN STREET (SL PERMANENT JEWELRY).]
ITEM IS 2 0 2 5 6 0 4.CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT FOR FOUR NEW SIGNS LOCATED AT 4 5 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET, SL PERMANENT JEWELRY.
FIRST, WE'LL LOOK AT SOME HISTORY AND BACKGROUND OF THE PROPERTY.
THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 4 55 SOUTH MAIN STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS KELLY MATTINGLY.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FOUR NEW SIGNS FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C3 COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND IS CURRENTLY USED AS MULTI-TENANT RETAIL SPACE.
THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING HISTORICAL STRUCTURE THAT WAS BUILT CIRCA 1920.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE FOUR PROPOSED SIGNS.
IT'S CONSISTS OF A METAL MATERIAL AND IT'S LESS THAN FOUR COLORS.
THIS IS THE SECOND SIGN THAT IS PROPOSED, UH, SIMILAR TO THE FIRST.
IT IS A METAL MATERIAL, AND IT'S LESS THAN FOUR COLORS.
WE'RE PLACING AN EXISTING HANGING SIGN AT THIS LOCATION.
IT HAS A BLACK FONT, IS 5.33 SQUARE FEET.
NON ILLUMINATED IS A METAL MATERIAL AND CONSISTS OF LESS THAN FOUR COLORS.
THIS IS THE FOURTH PROPOSED SIGN.
UH, AGAIN, IT SHARES A BLACK FONT.
IT'S 1.76 SQUARE FEET NON ILLUMINATED METAL MATERIAL, AND LESS THAN FOUR COLORS.
UH, THIS SIGN MEETS THE FOLLOWING UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S LESS THAN FOUR COLORS AS A MAXIMUM OF TWO FONTS IS NOT ILLUMINATED AND IS MADE OF A METAL MATERIAL.
WITH THAT, I YIELD TO THE COMMISSION FOR
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QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION, AND I CAN GO BACK TO THE PHOTOS, IF THAT IS HELPFUL.PROBABLY START WITH THE FIRST ONE.
I MEAN, THE SIGNS LOOK VERY CLEAN, UM, SHAPE, YOU KNOW, THE SHAPE AND THE SIZE ARE, UH, LOOK APPROPRIATE.
UM, UH, SIZE FOR THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE PUT ON.
CAN YOU GO ONE MORE SLIDE PLEASE? OKAY.
I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT THE FONT LOOKS BOLDER ON THIS ONE THAN IT DOES ON THE PREVIOUS ONE.
DO WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM SIGN AROUND THERE? YEAH.
UM, MY GUESS IS THAT THIS IS A CUSTOMER OF MINE, BUT MY GUESS IS THAT IT'S BECAUSE THE LETTERS ARE SO MUCH SMALLER, THEY JUST NEED TO BE A LITTLE THICKER TO BE SEEN.
CAN YOU PULL THE MIC UP A LITTLE BIT? YEAH, I, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
YEAH, I, I THINK JUST 'CAUSE IT'S A MUCH SMALLER SIGN, UM, THE LETTERS WOULD BE SUPER THIN STROKE, UH, AND BE HARDER TO READ AT THAT SIZE.
THE PACKET SAYS THE ONE, THE REAL LONG ONE, THE STROKE IS 0.92 INCHES, AND THE STROKE ON THE, THAT ONE IS ONE INCH FOR THE SL AND THEN 0.8 INCHES FOR THE, YEAH.
SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, BUT MM-HMM
IS THERE, UH, IN THIS PHOTO HERE, THAT GATE, IS THAT AN ENTRANCE TO YOUR BUSINESS? UH, IT'S NOT MY BUSINESS.
UH, AND I, I THINK THAT'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE FOREVER FIT.
YEAH, IT'S TO THE, TO THE, SO THE GATE FOR THE, THEY'RE USINGS ON THE OTHER SIDE? I THINK SO.
THE, ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE VAN.
ON THE, YEAH, ON THE LEFT SIDE.
I THINK THAT, I THINK MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THE FIRST PHOTO IS THAT I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA PULL INTO HAM'S LOT THINKING THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AN ENTRYWAY TO THE JEWELRY.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE IF YOU GO BEHIND THIS BLUE WALL, THERE'S GONNA BE A DOOR THERE INTO THEIR JEWELRY SHOP.
I THINK THAT'S MY ONLY ISSUE IS, IS HAVING ONE ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WILL YOU, ON THE, THE HANGING SIGN THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, THERE IS AN ARROW KIND OF INDICATING THAT IT'S AT THE REAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS, IT'S TOWARD THE BACK.
I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT PART.
AND THIS SIGN, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THERE'S A BLACK BOX IN THE LE LOWER LEFT CORNER.
IS THAT ANYTHING? OR IS THAT JUST A BLIP? THAT'LL BE A QR QR CODE.
IT'S JUST IN THIS ROOM THERE HASN'T, GOTCHA.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SIGNS OF QR CODES? PARDON ME? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SIGNS THAT HAVE QR CODES? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
DOWN MAIN STREET, I HAVEN'T SEEN, I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I BELIEVE MINISTRY OF DANCE DOES HAVE A QR CODE.
THERE, THEIR ORIGINAL PROPOSED DID, BUT I THINK THEIR ALTERNATIVE DESIGN DID NOT, DID NOT BECAUSE WE, IT WAS MORE SIMPLE.
UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY SOME OF THE A-FRAME SIGNS DON'T HAVE QR CODES.
THAT SEEMS TO BE, UM, TRENDING.
AND ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE IS TO HAVE THE QR CODES SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET TO THEIR WEBSITE AND KNOW BEFORE THEY WALK IN, KNOW WHAT THE BUSINESS IS.
AND THEN THE, UH, THE LAST SLIDE.
WHAT THE GATE SIGN ON THE GATE, DOES THAT LEAD TO THE BUSINESS? THAT GATE? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
THIS BEHIND THE YOGURT STORE? YEAH.
PEOPLE THAT'S BEHIND WHAT? THE YOGURT, BONNIE.
OH, THIS IS THE ALLEY BEHIND THE VAN? MM-HMM
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PATH IT LEADS TO A DOOR.
I WOULD BE IN FAVOR FOR THE THREE SIGNS, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE FIRST PHOTO THAT SHOWS THE BUSINESS NAME ON HAM'S LOT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? GO MAKE A MOTION AND SEE HOW IT THAT GOES BY.
DOES HAMBY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, OR WHO OWNED? WHO'S THE FRONT? THAT FRONT
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BUILDING? YEAH.DO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT? MM-HMM
WOULD THAT STAND UP, PLEASE? YEAH.
YOU, I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT
NO, I JUST WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
I, I'M EXCITED TO HAVE A TENANT THAT WANTS TO MAKE THE MOST OUT OF, OF THE RETAIL SHOP.
UM, I PERSONALLY DON'T, UH, I, I CAN SPEAK FOR THE FAMILY.
I, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AS LONG AS IT MEETS Y'ALL'S REQUIREMENTS, BUT FOR US, WE WE'RE FINE WITH IT.
WHAT'S OUR STAND ON THE QR CODE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO START INCORPORATING? OR WHAT A LABORATORIUM ON? IS THERE ANYTHING, UH, THAT IN OUR BYLAWS THAT, UM, PROHIBITS IT OR DISCOURAGES IT? I KNOW IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE USED TO.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S GAINING IN POPULARITY AMONG BUSINESSES.
WE'D HAVE TO LEAN ON STAFF OR GUIDANCE
THERE'S NO RESTRICTION THAT I'M AWARE OF.
JUST BE KIND OF A LOGO, LIKE A PICTURE ON THE SIGN.
I WOULD THINK THAT THE, THE COLOR SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
SO AGAIN, UM, THE, THE GUIDELINES SAY NO MORE THAN FOUR DIFFERENT COLOR TYPES, SO THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN IT.
BUT USUALLY YOU CAN INCORPORATE THE, UH, COLOR OF THE BACKGROUND AND QR CODES WITHOUT ANY ISSUE.
UM, WITH THE SIGNAGE ON THE SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT OF HAMBY, DO YOU FEEL PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT THAT'S PARKING FOR THAT'S AS WELL INSTEAD OF JUST HAND'S? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE ALREADY
ARE YOU SPEAKING TO ME RIGHT NOW? YES.
UH, I, YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
UH, THAT, THAT WAS LIKE, MY FIRST THING IS LIKE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA THINK, OH, I CAN PARK HERE IF I WANTED TO GO INTO THIS BUSINESS.
UM, BUT WE JUST KIND OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY RELENTLESS PARKING LOT, BUT JUST ACCEPTING THE FACT THAT ALWAYS STARTED ON PARKING WAS GOOD.
SO, UH, IT'S, THAT MAY BE THE CASE, BUT UH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HELP.
I WONDER, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN FLYING HAS AN ARROW.
WOULD IT LOOK FUNNY HAVING AN ARROW ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, LIKE RIGHT THERE? MM-HMM
IT DIDN'T HAVE BE A BIG ONE, BUT JUST KIND OF DIRECT THEM.
LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY SAID, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA ENTER RIGHT THERE BEHIND THE BLUE WALL.
THAT WAS MAYBE AN IN-GROUND ONE.
I WOULD NOT PUT AN ARROW ON THE SIDE OF THE WALL LIKE THAT.
BUT IF THEY WANNA PUT A METAL SIGN DOWN ON THE BOTTOM PAST THAT 1 31 WITH AN ARROW, BUT I WOULDN'T PUT IT ON THE WALL.
WELL, I THINK, UH, MR. ZU, SINCE HE'S, UH, SAID HE DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, I STILL DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE OTHER THREE SIGNS, EXCEPT FOR THIS FIRST SIGN AS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE SOMEBODY WILL SECOND OR SECOND THAT MOTION IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO VOTE FOR THE PROPOSAL THAT COMMISSIONER NICHOLS PRESENTED.
I DON'T, I I'M, I'M JUST, I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE, THE WAY THAT IT'S PRESENTED TO US, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, TO, TO SAY THAT IS, I THINK, STARTS TO GET INTO, UM, OPINION.
AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M NEWER TO THE COMMISSION, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, HOW MUCH DOES OUR PERSONAL OPINION, UM, WEIGH IN ON THAT VERSUS IS IT MEETING OR NOT MEETING A REQUIREMENT THAT, SO I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, I THINK MOST OF OUR, UH, GUIDANCE IS, IS GUIDELINES.
THERE'S A LOT OF LATITUDE IN THERE TO, TO WHAT WHAT WE FEEL IS, IS CORRECT.
AND I THINK THE MESSAGE THAT THIS SIGN PLACEMENT ON THE SIDE OF THE WALL HERE IS, TO ME, IT'S SENDING, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION, UH, TO THE ENTRY AND, UH, POSSIBLY PARKING.
BUT ALSO I, I THINK PARKING BECOMES AN ISSUE.
IT, IT COULD BE INCUMBENT UPON THE, UM, BUSINESS, UH, THAT HAS THE PARKING
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TO PUT SIGNS AT THE, IN THE, AT THE PARKING SPOT OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT PARKING IS FOR X, Y, Z BUSINESS OWNER.AND ANOTHER QUESTION THAT, THAT VIEW OF THAT BUILDING, THAT WHITE BUILDING, IS THAT THE SIDE VIEW OF ALL THREE BUSINESSES OR IS THAT JUST THE SIDE VIEW OF THEIRS? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE LIKE A PERCENTAGE OF HOW MUCH THE SIGN COVERS THAT BUSINESS.
SO FROM THE RIGHT EDGE WHERE IT SAYS 1 31 MM-HMM
LEFT IS ALL ONE BUSINESS AND THEN TO THE RIGHT.
AND THE FRONT IS ANOTHER TWO SUITES.
SO I GUESS IF WE CAN CONTINUE VOTING WITH THAT MOTION AND IF IT PASSES, PASSES, IF NOT, I DON'T HAVE TO VOTE.
DO I HAVE TO? I MEAN, I HAVE TO.
I'M A TIE BREAKER, SO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
'CAUSE I WAS THE TIEBREAKER AND SO SINCE I VOTED, IT WOULD'VE PASSED SINCE, RIGHT? THREE, TWO.
I COULDN'T SEE IT FROM WHERE I WAS AT
IT WAS THERE, IT WAS THREE THREE WITH MY VOTE, BUT WITHOUT LYING.
I'LL DEFER TO, TO CHAZ
SO IT WAS THREE, FOUR, AND TWO AGAINST.
DID IT SHOW UP ON THEIR PARTY MOTION? SAID THE MOTION FAILED.
THERE'S A SIGN THAT CAME UP SAYS, MOTION FAILED.
BUT SINCE I'M A TIE BREAKER, I, I DIDN'T NEED TO BREAK IT.
HOW ABOUT WE DO AN OFFICIAL REDO VOTE.
MADAM CHAIR, I'M GONNA MAKE THE SAME MOTION AS I DID.
UH, THREE SIGNS, UH, EXCLUDING PHOTO ONE AS PRESENTED.
D DENY THE FIRST SIGN IN PHOTO ONE.
SO, UH, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION BY COMMISSIONER NICHOLS, THE SECOND BY GRAVES.
AND DO I HAVE TO VOTE? MM-HMM.
WITH THIS IS FOR THE SL PERMANENT JEWELRY FOR THE ALL THE STREET SIGNS.
BUT THE FIRST ONE ON NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, I GUESS THE NORTH SIDE BUILDING, UM, PASSED EXCEPT FOR THAT, THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT MEANS THEY CANNOT HAVE THAT SIGN.
THE ONE RIGHT THERE IN THE PICTURE.
[C. 2025-605 CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT FOR A NEW SIGN LOCATED AT 371 N MAIN STREET (ADKF).]
ON TO 2 5 2 0 2 5 6 0 5.UH, CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGNED PERMIT FOR A NEW SIGN.
LOCATED AT 3 7 1 NORTH MAIN STREET FOR A DKF.
FRANKIE LINDER, ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR HERE WITH THE CITY OF BERNIE.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 71 NORTH MAIN STREET.
UH, IT IS JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM CITY HALL HERE.
THE APPLICANT IS A DKF, WHICH IS AN ACCOUNTING FIRM.
AND THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGNED PERMIT.
AND THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT'S ZONED C3 COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
AND AS I SAID, IT IS AN ACCOUNTING FIRM.
AND IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE STRUCTURE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2011 BY JEFFERSON BANK.
IT'S ONE OF THE TENANTS WITHIN THE JEFFERSON BANK BUILDING.
SO IT IS ON THE EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN, UH, THAT JEFFERSON BANK HAS.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A GREEN BACKGROUND WITH TWO GREEN ACCENT COLORS AND WHITE FONT.
IT IS A TOTAL OF 6.3 SQUARE FEET.
UH, IT IS NON-COMPLIANT WITH THE GUIDELINES, UH, AS IT DOES IS INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED.
AND IT IS THAT ACRYLIC MATERIAL THAT YOU SEE WITH THE, UH, INTERNAL ILLUMINATION.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THOSE ARE GUIDELINES.
UH, THIS MONUMENT SIGN IS ALREADY
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EXISTING.THIS WOULD NOT BE EXPANDING, UM, ANY SORT OF NON-CONFORMITY WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO, AS I SAID, UM, SORRY, IT'S GLITCHING A LITTLE HERE.
IT DOES NOT MEET THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERNAL ILLUMINATION AND THE ACRYLIC MATERIAL.
'CAUSE THAT ACRYLIC MATERIAL IS GONNA GET SUN FADED, LIKE PROBABLY WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAY, COUPLE OF YEARS.
IT IS A UV RESISTANT, UM, ACRYLIC.
IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF ACRYLIC WE WOULD SEE WITH, UH, ALL OF OUR SIGNS, ALL OF OUR ETERNALLY ILLUMINATED.
AND THEY DO HAVE A SHORTER SHELF LIFE THAN METAL SIGNS TYPICALLY.
UM, USUALLY WE JUST SEE THEM CHANGE 'EM OUT MORE.
WHAT IS THE MATERIAL, THE, THE JEFFERSON BANK? IS THAT JUST PAINTED ON? SO RIGHT HERE, THIS ONE IS ALSO AN ILLUMINATED ACRYLIC.
SO THIS WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR.
IT'S, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PART'S ILLUMINATED.
SO ONE OF THEM'S ALREADY, AND WITH THIS ONE BEING ILLUMINATED BEHIND, THERE'S SO MUCH DARK COLOR, NOT MUCH IS GONNA SHOW UP IN THE DARK.
I MEAN, IT IS DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
UM, IF YOU, IF YOU SAW IT WHEN YOU DROVE IN, UM, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE LIKE A WHITE BACKGROUND WITH GREEN FONT, AND THAT'S NOT DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT IS DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
AND THE, UH, BUSINESS, UH, OWNER IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM AS WELL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD WANNA MAKE, SIR? NO.
UH, REALLY JUST, UM, IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR US, PLEASE.
I'M THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER FOR A DKF.
WE HAVE OFFICERS IN SAN ANTONIO IN NEW BRAUNFELS, SO WE JUST MADE THE MONUMENT SIGN IDENTICAL TO THOSE.
BUT, UH, WE THOUGHT THAT WITH THIS DOING THE GREEN BACKGROUND, WHICH IS PART OF OUR BRANDING, WE'D BE ABLE TO, UH, COMPLY WITH THE HISTORIC, UH, COMMISSION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU? QUESTIONS? IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SIGN LOCATED AT 3 71 NORTH MAIN STREET.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MINES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER NICHOLS IF EVERYBODY CAN VOTE.
MOTION PASSED FOR YOUR NEW SIGN.
[D. 2025-606 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR THE STRUCTURE(S) LOCATED AT 119 EBNER STREET.]
ONE MORE ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING.I'M GONNA OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THIS IS FOR A CONSIDERATE REQUEST, DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR YOUR STRUCTURES LOCATED AT ONE 19 EBNER STREET.
UH, SO AS YOU SAID, THIS IS ONE 19 EBNER STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS GR LAND ENTERPRISES LP, AND THEY ARE BEING REPRESENTED BY TRA TRAVIS ROBERSON TONIGHT.
UM, THE REQUEST IS TO DEMOLISH, UH, SEVERAL COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE ON SITE.
THIS IS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT, UH, THE STRUCTURES ARE LIKELY TO BE OVER 50 YEARS OLD.
I DO SAY LIKELY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC YEAR THAT THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED.
UH, SO IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY IN PROTECTING OUR HISTORIC PRES, UH, EXCUSE ME, OUR HISTORIC FABRIC, WE WANTED TO BRING IT FORTH TONIGHT.
SO HERE IS A STREET VIEW OF THE AREA.
UM, AS I SAID, IT'S UNKNOWN WHAT DATE THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED OR MOVED ON SITE.
UM, THERE ARE FOUR STRUCTURES, ALTHOUGH THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE A BREEZEWAY, UH, BETWEEN TWO OF THEM.
AND ALL IN ALL, THE STRUCTURES ARE ABOUT 16, 20 SQUARE FEET.
UH, NO INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES MORE THAN ABOUT 700 SQUARE FEET.
UH, AND THEY DO APPEAR TO BE IN POOR CONDITION.
STAFF DID A SITE VISIT, UM, BEFORE THANKSGIVING, THE WEEK BEFORE THANKSGIVING, UH, BECAUSE OF, UH, IMPENDING WEATHER.
HOWEVER, WE WERE ABLE TO DO ONE WITH, UM, UH, MS. PENA, UH, LAST TUESDAY, I THINK IT WAS.
AND SO WE DID INVOLVE HER AND SHE'LL BE, I'M SURE, HAPPY TO PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS HERE IN A MOMENT.
BUT HERE ARE THE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES RIGHT HERE.
JUST OFF CAMERA IS THAT BREEZEWAY THAT IS CONNECTING THESE.
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AND YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE ARE SKIDS FOR THESE STRUCTURES.SO THEY WERE MOVED ON SITE, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS A DEMOLITION, UH, AND IT DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE SENT OUT 50 NOTICES TO PROPERTIES WITHIN 500 FOOT RADIUS.
UH, AND WE NOTICED IT IN THE BERNIE STAR.
UH, SINCE THE AGENDA PACKET WAS POSTED, WE DID RECEIVE FOUR, UH,
UH, AND THEY WERE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE DEMOLITION OF THESE STRUCTURES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT CORRECTION BECAUSE YOUR A IS SAID WE HAD RECEIVED ZERO FEEDBACK, BUT WE RECEIVED THESE SINCE THE AGENDA WAS POSTED.
UM, OUR FINDINGS ARE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT A HISTORIC LANDMARK AND DOES NOT HAVE ANY ARCHITECTURAL CULTURAL OR EDUCATIONAL VALUE.
AND THE ACTION TONIGHT IS THAT Y'ALL SHOULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE IF THE REQUEST MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDC SECTION TWO 11, AND IF IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
HERE ARE MOTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM AS WELL.
UM, DO YOU, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND I DID A SITE VISIT.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WERE ABLE TO DO DRIVE-BYS.
UM, IT, THE STRUCTURES ARE, AS YOU CAN TELL IN THE PICTURES ARE PRETTY MUCH FALLING DOWN.
UM, TRAVIS WENT INTO ONE OF 'EM AND I STUCK MY HEAD INTO IT 'CAUSE I WASN'T GONNA WALK IN IT.
UM, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY SALVAGEABLE.
THE WINDOWS ARE FALLING APART.
UM, IT TALKS TO, YOU KNOW, TRAVIS ABOUT THE METAL SIDING.
I SAID, WHEN YOU DEMO IT, SAVE IT.
I'M PRETTY SURE SOMEBODY WILL TAKE IT FROM YOU OR BUY IT FROM YOU OR REPURPOSE IT SOMEWHERE.
UM, CAN I GET A RE UPDATE ON THAT? YEAH, YEAH.
AND SO ACTUALLY SINCE THEN, SINCE WE DISCUSSED, I DON'T BELIEVE BASED ON THE FASTENERS OR ANYTHING THAT THERE'S ANY HISTORICAL QUALITY TO IT.
UM, IT'S TREATED MATERIAL UNDERNEATH THAT BUILDING.
BUT I HAVE, I HAVE A, A PROJECT NEXT DOOR IF MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE OF, THAT'S CALLED THE BERNIE STATION BUSINESS PARK THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND, UH, IT'S A REPLICA OF THE DEPOT THAT WAS THERE.
AND SO I HAVE A STORAGE BUILDING THAT SINCE THEN, I'VE RECEIVED PERMISSION FROM THE GROVE FAMILY TO TAKE THE METAL TIN OFF OF THAT AND TO CLAD MY BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE NEXT DOOR TO THIS WITH THAT SAME METAL.
SO WE'RE GONNA SORT OF REPURPOSE IT AND SORT OF TELL THE STORY EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT MANDATED OR PART OF THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU DON'T SEE THAT PROFILE AROUND AND THAT LIGHT THAT'S OUT FRONT IS PRETTY NIFTY LOOKING.
YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE AT LIKE BAKERY, THE RAIN THAT I'VE REPURPOSED.
AND SO YEAH, THAT WILL BE IN MY PERSONAL WAREHOUSE.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I SAW.
IF ANYBODY EVER REPURPOSED WOULD BE THAT, THEN IT'S GONNA BE, THERE YOU GO.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE HERE.
UM, IF NOT, UM, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, COMMENTS? I, ARE YOU OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? SHE PRESENTED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? CORRECT.
UM, WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION INTO CONSIDERATION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPRO THAT WE APPROVE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR THE STRUCTURES LOCATED AT ONE 19 EBNER STREET.
I HAVE A MOTION, UM, BY COMMISSIONER MINES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
[E. 2025-607 CONSIDER THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT REQUEST AND CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENT TO A STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 448 S MAIN ST (CIBOLO CREEK BREWING CO.).]
NEXT ITEM IS 2 0 2 5 6 0 7.IT'S TO CONSIDER A HISTORICAL PRESERVATION GRANT REQUEST AND CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STRUCTURE.
LOCATED AT 4 4 8 SOUTH MAIN STREET, S CREEK BREWERY BALCONY.
THIS IS OUR FIRST GRANT REQUEST SINCE ABOUT MARCH OF THIS YEAR, AND IT'LL BE THE FIRST ONE FOR A COUPLE OF YOU.
UM, SO I'LL ASK YOU TO REACH BACK TO THE TRAINING WE DID A FEW MONTHS AGO, UH, ON THE GRANT.
UH, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, OF COURSE ON AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THEM.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS 4 48 SOUTH MAIN STREET.
UH, THE REPRESENTATIVES HERE TONIGHT, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM 'EM A COUPLE OF TIMES, UM, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, TONIGHT WE ARE LOOKING
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FOR A DETERMINATION ABOUT A GRANT AND A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, FOR THE WORK TO BE DONE WITH THE GRANT.SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING THE FRONT DOOR, THE TRANSOM WINDOWS, BOTH SIDELIGHTS AND ALL THE HARDWARE THEY'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING, UM, EIGHT WINDOWS AND REPAINT THE EXTERIOR.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED C3 COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND IT IS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT IS CURRENTLY USED AS A RESTAURANT, S CREEK BREWING COMPANY.
AND IT IS A HIGHLY CONTRIBUTING, UH, STRUCTURE IN OUR DISTRICT.
SO EVERY GRANT SUBMITTAL THAT COMES IN HAS, UH, WHAT WE CONSIDER LIKE A PRE-SCREENING.
AND THIS IS THE PRE-SCREENING.
IN ORDER TO COME TO HLC FOR CONSIDERATION, THEY HAVE TO SCORE A MINIMUM OF 20 POINTS ON THIS.
THIS PROJECT SCORED 30 POINTS AND HERE'S THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT.
SO IT'S A HIGH CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
SO, 10 OUTTA 10, THE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS, IT'S EXISTING BUILDING, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.
SO 10 OUTTA 10 AND ESTIMATED PROJECT BUDGET IS 50,000 UP, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST IN THE CATEGORY.
SO THAT BEING SAID, THAT IS CONSIDERED THE PRE-SCREENING.
THAT IS REASONS TO BRING IT HERE BEFORE A HLC FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
HOWEVER, YOU HAVE SOLE DISCRETION IN AWARDING THE GRANT.
UM, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT YOU CAN AWARD IS 10,000, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
BUT YOU COULD APPROVE SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT IF YOU CHOSE, UM, IF YOU CHOOSE TO DENY IT.
UH, ALL WE ASK IS THAT YOU STATE THE REASON FOR IT AND KNOW THAT THERE IS NO APPEAL TO THAT.
SO WE'LL GO, UM, EACH SECTION AT A TIME.
SO THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR AND, UH, THE COST THAT THEY PROVIDED FOR ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THE TOTAL IS $8,560 AND 41 CENTS.
AND THAT INCLUDES ALL ASPECTS OF THIS DOOR, THE DOOR, THE SIDELIGHTS, THE TUM, THE JAM, THE HARDWARE, THE INSTALLATION, THE REMOVAL, POTENTIAL LEAD CONTAMINATION, UH, CONTAINMENT.
ALL OF THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS.
AND HERE'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
SO AGAIN, HERE WE HAVE OUR EXISTING, ON THE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE IS A RENDERING OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UH, YOU CAN SEE IT VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING DOOR, UM, IN ALL COMPONENTS OF IT.
AND THIS IS THE SAMPLE OF THE HARDWARE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THAT HISTORIC BRASS.
NEXT IS THE WINDOWS THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE ALL EIGHT WINDOWS IN THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
SO THAT FRONT CLASSIC YELLOW DINING HALL AREA, UH, DINING ROOM AREA, UM, THE TOTAL COST FOR THESE EIGHT WINDOWS IS $27,963.
UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH, THROUGH SOME PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING PHOTOS.
UM, NOTE THAT EVEN THOUGH WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET WITH THE ESTIMATE SHOWS THAT TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS FOUR OVER FOUR WINDOWS, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE THESE WHERE YOU HAVE THE FOUR PANES OVER THE FOUR PANES.
UH, LAST IS THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PAINT.
SO, UM, WHILE PAINTING, UH, LIGHT COLORS, SO THE SAME COLORS OVER, DOES NOT REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THEY ARE INCLUDING IT IN THEIR GRAND APPLICATION, WHICH IS VERY VALID.
UM, IT'S DEFINITELY APPROPRIATE AND ELIGIBLE EXPENSE.
SO WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF THE COST.
THE EXTERIOR PAINT MATERIALS IS 2000.
THE EXTERIOR PAINT LABOR IS 11,800.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE REPAINTING ALL OF IT.
UM, THE TOTAL FOR THE EXTERIOR IS JUST UNDER 14,000 NOW, ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
UM, AND IN THEIR OVERALL SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS SOME INTERIOR REPAINTING AS WELL.
UH, THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE COA AS WELL.
AND BECAUSE IT'S INTERIOR, IT DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR GRANT EXPENSE.
BUT I DID INCLUDE IN HERE, UH, BECAUSE IT WASN'T YOUR PACKET.
SO INTERIOR, THEY'RE PLANNING TO SPEND $5,900 TO REPAINT THE INSIDE.
AND HERE'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
SO AGAIN, IT'S LIKE FOR LIKE, SO THE EXTERIOR IS GOING TO BE THIS DOWNING STRAW, WHICH IS A HISTORIC COLOR, UH, FROM SHERMAN WILLIAMS. AND THE TRIM FOR THE WINDOWS, THE DOOR, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE THAT IRON ORE, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE COLOR THEY HAVE NOW AS WELL.
THERE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE REPAINTING THE RAILINGS AND ALL OF THIS WITH THAT WHITE COLOR.
THAT SPECIFIC SHADE OF WHITE HASN'T BEEN SELECTED YET, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO COLOR MATCH IT.
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HERE IS THE SAME COLORS JUST CLOSE UP SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THE DOOR.SO ALL IN ALL, THE ELIGIBLE PROJECT TOTAL IS $50,448 AND 41 CENTS.
THAT PUTS IT WITHIN THIS CATEGORY OF THE GRANT BETWEEN 50,070 4,999.
SO IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR A MAXIMUM REIMBURSEMENT OF $10,000, WHICH IS THE AMOUNT THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED WITH THE GRANT.
UM, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE FULL 10,000 OR A LOWER AMOUNT THAT IS AT YOUR DISCRETION.
UH, I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS THE FIRST ONE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
UH, SO WE DO HAVE PLENTY OF ALLOCATION TO COVER.
THE 10,000 KEY FINDINGS IS THAT THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS MEET BERNIE'S UDC REGULATIONS AND HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
AND THAT THE GRANT APPLICATION MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE HLC FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT.
UM, TONIGHT YOU SHOULD DETERMINE IF THIS REQUEST MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND CONSIDER ISSUING THAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND OR APPROVING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT FOR THE REQUESTED AMOUNT OF $10,000.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A, A QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
CAN YOU, UH, SAY WHAT TYPE OF WINDOWS THEY ARE? UH, FOUR OVER FOUR IS THE DESIGN OF THE WINDOWS.
SO IT'LL LOOK LIKE THESE, THIS WITH THE FOUR PANES OVER THE FOUR PANS MATERIAL WISE, WAS HE SPECIFIC? JUST, UH, I'M NOT, I WISH TRAVIS WAS HERE TO HELP ME OUT WITH THIS, BUT
THERE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, FANCY LIKE A DOUBLE PANE WINDOW.
WHEREAS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UH, IS THAT DOUBLE PANE, IS THAT RIGHT? MM-HMM
YEAH, I HAVE, THOSE ARE DOUBLE PANES.
NO, NOT WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE NEW ONES.
THE ONES WE CURRENTLY HAVE ARE FROM 1911 OR WHATEVER.
THE ORIGINAL COMPLETELY INEFFICIENT.
UH, THESE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE PANE ARE THE ANDERSON WINDOWS, ANDERSON GLASS OR WHATEVER FILL PANE WINDOWS.
SO THERE'LL BE A SINGLE HUNG DOUBLE, DOUBLE HUNG.
WILL EACH STASH MOVE INDEPENDENTLY OR WILL THEY JUST FIX WINDOWS? THEY'LL BE FIXED.
CAN I GO BACK TO THE SLIDE OF, UH, WHERE IT BREAKS DOWN THE COSTS? THE TOTAL COST? WELL, NO, JUST THE WINDOW.
'CAUSE THAT'S, I WANT TO USE THAT AS A REFERENCE.
IF YOU SEE THESE WINDOWS TO THE RIGHT IN THIS PHOTO, THESE ARE WHAT ARE KNOWN AS TRIPLE SASH WINDOWS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE HISTORIC AND THEY'RE VERY RARE.
AND I THINK THAT GER HAS THAT BUILDING MM-HMM
AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT THESE, THESE GO, 'CAUSE UM, EVEN THOMAS JEFFERSON USED THESE WHEN HE BUILT, UH, UH, MONTICELLO.
THAT, I MEAN, IT GOES BACK THAT FAR.
I JUST DON'T, THOMAS JEFFERSON DIDN'T PAY UTILITY BILLS.
THAT'S LIKE A SINGLE PANE WINDOWS THAT YOU HAVE NOW
SO THEORETICALLY FOR HOT DAYS, YOU, YOU COULD, YOU COULD OPEN THE BOTTOM AND OPEN THE, UH, THE LOWER SASH.
HOPE MY ARGUMENT AGAINST THAT, THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM.
MY ARGUMENT AGAINST THAT WITH ALL RESPECT WOULD BE THAT GIVEN AS A FOOD ESTABLISHMENT THAT WOULD LET, UH, FLIES ET CETERA INSIDE THE BUILDING.
I'M SORRY TO OPEN THE WINDOWS.
NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING, UM, THIS WAS HOW THEY WERE USED IN THAT'S CORRECT.
AND IF YOU WANTED TO USE 'EM AS AN ENTRANCE, YOU COULD LIFT BOTH OF THE BOTTOM SASHES MM-HMM
AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY USE IT AS A WALKWAY OR A DOOR.
THEY'RE WEIGHTED, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THOSE BIG HEAVY WEIGHTS ON THE INSIDE.
I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE AMOUNT FOR REBUILDING THE FRONT DOOR, I WONDER IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO TO AT LEAST JUST THESE TWO.
THERE'S JUST TWO TRIPLE SASHES IN THE FRONT, RIGHT? OR THERE'S FOUR? I THINK THERE ARE FOUR.
THEY'RE FOUR BECAUSE I MEAN, I WOULD HATE TO PAY YOU TO, YOU KNOW, TO DESTROY HISTORY, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE YOU A, A GRANT WHERE WE'RE PAYING YOU TO GET RID OF HISTORY, ESPECIALLY THIS TYPE OF HISTORY FOR, FOR THESE COOL WINDOWS.
I MEAN, UM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER HAVING THESE REBUILT, LIKE YOUR FRONT DOOR? UH, IN THE SAME MANNER? NO.
I WILL TAKE A SEAT AND I'LL LET, I'LL DISCUSS IF YOU HAVE
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ANY QUESTIONS.WELL, COMMISSIONER, I, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THIS, THIS HISTORY.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS US RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS WHAT OUR MANDATE IS, IS TO PROTECT THIS.
UH, ANY, DO ANY WAY TO REPURPOSE THEM? UH, SURE.
WITH THE LIKELIHOOD AND OVERALL COST, TO BE HONEST, WOULD BE TO TRY TO REFURBISH THESE HISTORIC WINDOWS TO MEET CURRENT STANDARDS, RIGHT.
UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALISTIC TO BE HONEST.
UH, WHICH IS WHY WE WANNA REPLACE THEM.
UM, THE, IS THE EFFICIENCY OF THIS BUILDING IS SUCH THAT THESE WINDOWS MIGHT AS WELL JUST BE OPEN ALL DAY AND NIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE COMPLETELY INEFFICIENT.
DOES ANDERSON MAKE WINDOWS THAT COULD BE REPLICATED? WELL, WE ARE REPLICATED LOOKING THESE IN A WAY THAT VISUALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HEIGHT VISUALLY.
VISUALLY THEY WILL LOOK THIS THE SAME, BUT THEY WON'T HAVE, THEY WILL GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR.
THEY'RE GONNA GO ALL, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK THE EXACT SAME.
THEY'LL GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR.
HOWEVER, THE ONLY CAVEAT IS THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE WEIGHTS THAT NO ONE CAN SEE ON THE INSIDE OF THE WALLS, WHICH I RESPECT AS PART OF HISTORY.
AND MY, MY THESIS IN COLLEGE WAS THE GERMAN SETTLEMENT OF TEXAS, SPECIFICALLY NEW BRAUNFELS.
UM, UH, HOWEVER, JUST OUT OF, UH, EFFICIENCY, YOU KNOW, WE, IT'S TIME FOR US WE FEEL TO UPDATE THIS.
I THINK THE ONLY THING, BECAUSE THEY GO TO THE FLOOR, IF THEY GOT REFURBISHED, IT WOULD TO, TO COME UP TO CODE.
I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT SHATTERPROOF GLASS.
NO, I MEAN, IF TO, IF THE, IF THESE GOT REDONE, THE GLASS WOULD HAVE TO BE SHATTERPROOF AND I DON'T KNOW HOW DOABLE THAT IS WITH THE WEIGHT OF IT.
WELL, ACCORDING TO THE SPECS THAT YOU PROVIDED FOR THE WINDOWS, THESE WINDOWS AREN'T TEMPERED.
SO CURRENT WINDOWS, THE, THE SPEC SHEET THAT YOU PROVIDED, IT SAYS NONE OF 'EM ARE TEMPERED FOR THE NEW WINDOWS.
SO THAT'S THE SPEC SHEET SAYS THAT THAT'S INCORRECT.
I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S, THEY'LL BE TEMPERED ONES NEXT TO THE DOOR HAVE TO BE TEMPERED.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THE, UH, INFORMATION FROM THE AGENDA PACKET? I PRINTED ALL THAT OUT, BUT THAT I CAN PULL IT UP.
CAN YOU PULL UP THE SPECS ON THE, ON THE WINDOWS IT WAS LIKE 20 PAGES.
WHAT'D YOU DO? FRANKIE
THAT'S BEEN MY WORK COMPUTER ALL DAY TOO.
IT MUST BE THE SATELLITE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE MORNING'S DOING THE SAME THING.
MY COMPUTER KEEPS DOING, MY COMPUTER KEEPS DOING THE SAME THING.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE GOAL IS TO MAKE THIS LOOK AS THOUGH IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED.
UH, AESTHETICALLY AT THE VERY END.
FRANKIE, OPERATIONALLY IT'S MORE FUNCTION.
WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH THE WINDOWS? THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? YEAH, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? SIT BACK.
JUST LIKE TRAVIS KEEPS US UP
IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED? YEAH.
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UH, LINE ONE, LINE TWO.I TAKE IT THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN SEVEN AND EIGHT.
AND THEN THE FOUR, SEVEN AND EIGHT IN FRONT ARE 77.
CAN YOU GO DOWN TO THE, THE WINDOWS AND CAN YOU SHOW US, WHICH MR. ZU, CAN YOU SHOW US WHICH WINDOW IS GONNA BE FOR THE FRONT? UH, WELL, SO WE'LL SUBMIT HERE AS UH, UH, FRANKIE MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, THOSE SHOW THE FRONT, THEY SHOW FOUR PANES.
THIS IS GONNA MASTER FRONT, IT WILL BE SIX.
SO CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL PICTURE?
I THINK YOU CAN PUT IT, YOU CAN PICK 'EM UP ON HERE UNDER DOCUMENTS.
AND WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, I'M, I'M READING ABOUT, UM, REPLACING SINGLE PANE GLASS IN TRIPLE HUNG WITH DOUBLE PANE GLASS.
THE, IT CAN BE DONE, BUT LIKE I WAS MENTIONING, THE, THE DIFFICULTY IS THE FRAME INTEGRITY AND, UM, WITH THE WEIGHT.
BUT, UM, I, I, I AGREE THAT WOULD BE A SHAME TO LOSE THOSE WINDOWS.
ANOTHER OPTION IT SAYS IS, UM, PUTTING, INSTALLING OVERLAY WITH, UH, STORM WINDOWS FOR, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
THAT WOULD NOT LOOK, LOOK HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, HE WOULDN'T NEED THE WEIGHT BECAUSE HE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO BE FIXED.
SO THERE'S NO, NO NEED FOR THE WEIGHT.
I MEAN THE WEIGHT OF THE GLASS WOULD, OH, MIGHT, MIGHT, SORRY.
THERE MIGHT BE DIFFICULTY WITH THE FRAME INTEGRITY DEPENDING ON HOW, BUT THE WEIGHT, THE COUNTERWEIGHTS AREN'T VISIBLE.
I I I THOUGHT SHE WAS SAYING, OH, SOMETHING ELSE.
NO, THE WEIGHT OF THE DOUBLE GLASS WOULD, UH, MIGHT BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE, UM, DEPENDING ON THE STRUCT, THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE WOOD FRAME.
SO IS THAT WAS IN THE POSITION OF THE DEBATING THE MATERIAL OF THE GLASS? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT DEBATING THE WEIGHTS IN ORDER TO KEEP IT HISTORIC WINDOW.
WE, WE UNDERSTAND NOW THE WEIGHT, IT'S WON'T BE USED.
HE MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS SAYING.
HOW HEAVY THE DOUBLE HUNG GLASS, THE DOUBLE GLASS WOULD BE HEAVY.
I WAS HEAVY THOMAS JEFFERSON COMMENT, HEY, LIKE, WE DON'T WANNA GET RID OF THESE WINDOWS.
UH, I MEAN THESE WINDOWS, 30% OF 'EM HAVE BEEN BROKEN OVER 10 YEARS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GLASS PANS.
SO I'M GONNA LOSE ANOTHER 30% OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
UH, SO I MEAN IT SHOULD, THE CLOCK'S TICKING ON GLASS.
IF WE'RE DEBATING GLASS, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT LOSING THE HISTORIC LOOK.
BECAUSE HE'S REPLICATING THAT.
AND IT'S GOING THE SAME FROM WHERE IT IS TO THE PORCH, RIGHT? YEAH.
HISTORICALLY, VISUALLY WE'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING.
I REALIZE HISTORICALLY HE'S TAKING THE WINDOWS THEMSELF, POSSIBLY REPURPOSING THEM IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT.
BUT VISUALLY WE ARE NOT LOSING A HISTORIC, UM, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.
BUT, BUT YOU ARE NOT VISUALLY, VISUALLY NO, JUST FUNCTIONALLY.
THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING WAS VISUALLY WE'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING HISTORICALLY.
BUT HE'S, IT'S NOT GOING IN THE TRASH.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT, IT'S, UM, YOU PROBABLY HEMORRHAGING MONEY WITH YOUR UTILITIES WITH THESE, BUT I ALSO AGREE IT'S, IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S PAINFUL TO LOSE THAT FEATURE.
EMERGING MONEY IS A MASSIVE UNDERST STATEMENT.
UM, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS FOR THE ACTUAL MATERIALS OR THE COST OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CERTIFICATE? APPROPRIATENESS COVER.
THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS FOR THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND FOR THE DOOR REPLACEMENT.
THE PAINTING DOES NOT REQUIRE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME COLORS, LIKE FOR LIKE, UM, SO THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY, UH, THIS BOARD COULD CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE
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COA AND NOT THE GRANT OR APPROVE, UM, THE COA AND A PORTION OF THE GRANT.UH, BUT IF THE GRANT IS AWARDED, UH, COA DOES NEED TO BE AWARDED AS WELL.
WELL, I DON'T THINK IN GOOD CONSCIOUS THAT I CAN VOTE FOR, YOU KNOW, REIMBURSING SOMEBODY TO, TO GET RID OF HISTORY.
SO I THINK I'M JUST GONNA FLOAT, UH, SORRY YOU'VE ALREADY MADE A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, WE APPROVE THE, THE GRANT REQUEST AND THE C-C-A-O-A FOR THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENT.
CAN YOU PLEASE SPECIFY THE AMOUNT? 10,000.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MINES AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MATON.
IS IT TOO LATE TO MAKE, WELL WAIT TO SEE IF THIS ONE PASSES FIRST OR NOT.
SO YOU GET THE, THE GRANT APPROVED FOR YOUR $10,000 AND THE, UM, COA AS PRESENTED.
UM, I THINK THAT IS THE CLOSE OF THE REGULAR AGENDA.
[6. COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION/LEGAL COUNSEL/STAFF – No discussion or action may take place.]
IS JUST COMMENTS FROM ANY COMMISSIONS, LEGAL STAFF OR STAFF.THANK YOU FOR FINDING TIME IN YOUR BUSY DECEMBER SCHEDULE TO COME FOR THIS PACKED AGENDA.
SO,
SO IF THE, THE CHANGE IS MADE, YOU'LL BE GIVEN SEVERAL MONTHS NOTICE, SO, PERFECT, PERFECT.