* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER – 5:30 PM] [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING TODAY. THANK YOU FOR JOINING THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING TODAY, TUESDAY, JANUARY 6TH, 2026. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I THINK I'VE SAID THAT THIS YEAR, AT 5:30 PM UM, [2. CONFLICT OF INTEREST] UH, ANY COMMISSIONERS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER THAT HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON AN AGENDA TODAY, AND THAT'S COMMISSIONER HAYNES ON AGENDA ITEM FIVE A. UM, SO AT THAT TIME HE'LL BE SITTING, HE'LL BE LEAVE, EXCUSE HIMSELF FROM THE PANEL AND WE'LL COME BACK AS SOON AS THAT ITEM'S DONE. UM, IS THERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR VISITORS AND GUESTS TO ADDRESS THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION ON ANY ISSUES. THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS AT ANY PRESIDENT ISSUES, NOR MAY WE OR NOR MAY ANY ACTION BE TAKEN OF ANY OF THESE ISSUES AT THIS TIME. IS JUST ANYBODY HERE THAT HAS ANYTHING THEY WANNA SPEAK ABOUT THAT'S NOT ON THE REGULAR CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY. DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. . [4. CONSENT AGENDA: All items listed below within the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the Historic Landmark Commission and may be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of items unless a Commission Member or citizen so requests, in which event the item may be moved to the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.] MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. ALL ITEMS LISTED BELOW WITHIN THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE BY THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION AND MAY BE ENACTED WITH ONE MOTION. THIS WILL NOT, THIS WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF ITEMS I CAN'T READ TONIGHT UNLESS THE COMMISSION MEMBERS OR CITIZENS SO REQUEST IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM MAY BE MOVED TO THE GENERAL ORDER OF BUSINESS AND CONSIDERED IT IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE. LET'S, UM, THE FIRST ITEM FOR A IS 2, 2 5 6, IS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING OF DECEMBER 2ND, 2025. COMMISSIONERS. IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MINUTES THAT WE WERE SENT OUT, UH, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ACTION ITEM 2 0 2 5 DASH 6 31. THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING. DECEMBER 2ND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HEINZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT. WE ALL CAN VOTE. OKAY. THE MINUTES FOR, UM, DECEMBER 2ND, 2005 HAVE BEEN APPROVED. MOVING [Items 5.A - 5.C] ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, WE ARE COMBINING, UM, ITEMS A FIVE A, B, AND C 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME BUILDING. UM, COMMISSIONER HEINEN, DO YOU WANNA SIT DOWN FOR THE FIRST ONE? I'M GONNA LIST IT'S A, B, AND C. YOU'RE FOR ALL B, ALL ALL THREE. OKAY. UM, I'M GONNA READ OUT AND THEN BEN, YOU CAN COME UP AND PRESENT. ITEM A IS 2 0 2 5 6 2 5 6 3 2. CONSIDER CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATE FOR A SIGN PERMIT AND A VARIANCE RECOMMENDATION FOR NEW SIGN LOCATED AT 4 5 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET. THE SECOND ITEM IS FIVE B 2 0 2 5 6 33. CONSIDER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE FOR A SIGN. PERMIT FOR THREE NEW SIGNS AND A VARIANCE RECOMMENDATION FOR ONE SIGN. LOCATED AT FOUR FOUR SOUTH MAIN STREET. AND THE LAST ONE IS FIVE C 2 2 5 6 3 4. CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN. PERMIT FOR A NEW SIGN. LOCATED THE SAME BUILDING 4 5 5 S FIVE MAIN STREET, SOUTH MAIN STREET. THAT WAS A LOT, . GOOD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BEN SIMMONS. I'M A PLANNER HERE AT THE CITY AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING THESE ITEMS. THIS PRESENTATION WILL COVER THREE SEPARATE AGENDA ITEMS. ONE FOR EACH TENANT SPACE LOCATED AT THE SAME ADDRESS OF 4 5 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET. WE PRESENTING 'EM IN A SINGLE PRESENTATION TO INCREASE CLARITY AND EFFICIENCY AS THEY'RE ALL LOCATED AT THE SAME ADDRESS. HOWEVER, THEY WILL BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY. THE APPLICANT FOR ALL THREE PROJECTS IS KELLY MATTINGLY AND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C3 COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND IS USED AS RETAIL TENANT SPACE. THE PROPERTY IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BUILT CIRCA 1922. [00:05:01] OF THE SIGNS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT WILL REQUIRE A DRC VARIANCE. AS THIS SITUATION IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE, I WANTED TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS INVOLVED WITH THE SIGNED VARIANCE. TYPICALLY, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEWS SIGNS SOLELY FOR DESIGN, APPROPRIATENESS AND CONSISTENCY WITH HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES IN THE UDC. HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, THE SIGNED PACKAGE INCLUDES REQUESTS THAT EXCEED THE MINIMUM VERTICAL CLEARANCE UNDER THE UDC. TODAY'S ACTION IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROPOSED SIGNS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IF YOU APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE APPLICANT WILL THEN GO BEFORE THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR A SEPARATE REVIEW, AND THE DRC WILL EVALUATE WHETHER GRANTING THE REQUESTED SIGN VARIANCE FOR VERTICAL CLEARANCE IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL SIGNS AT THIS LOCATION. I WANTED TO PROVIDE A SITE MAP THAT SHOWS SORT OF THE GENERAL LOCATION OF WHERE THESE SIGNS WILL BE. UH, HENCE REALTY IS SHOWN IN BLUE. THE LANA SIGNS ARE SHOWN IN YELLOW AND THE SL PERMANENT JEWELRY IS SHOWN IN RED. THIS IS OUR FIRST PROPOSED PROPOSED SIGN FOR HAN REALTY. UM, IT IS A HANGING SIGN WITH A BLACK FONT, APPROXIMATELY SIX SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, NON ILLUMINATED MADE OF A METAL MATERIAL LESS THAN FOUR COLORS, AND REQUIRES A RECOMMENDATION FOR DRC VARIANCE. IN ADDITION TO THE PREVIOUS SIGN, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THIS ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL. THIS PROPOSAL WAS RECENTLY RECEIVED BY THE CITY AND HAS NOT BEEN EVALUATED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDC. IF THE COMMISSION WISHES TO APPROVE THIS ALTERNATIVE DESIGN AS OPPOSED TO THE FIRST PRESENTED DESIGN, WE ASK THAT YOU INCLUDE A STIPULATION ALLOWING FOR APPROVAL PENDING STAFF REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDC. THIS PROPOSED SIGN DESIGN FEATURES A HANGING SIGN WITH A BLACK FONT APPROXIMATELY FIVE SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, NON ILLUMINATED MADE OF A METAL MATERIAL AND LESS THAN FOUR COLORS. UH, STAFF FINDS FOR BOTH SIGNS THAT THEY MEET THE FOLLOWING UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF BEING LESS THAN FOUR COLORS, HAVING A MAXIMUM OF TWO FONTS NON ILLUMINATED AND BEING MADE OF METAL MATERIAL. UH, THE COMMISSION MAY NOW VOTE ON AGENDA ITEMS FIVE A I YIELD WITH THESE MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION. UM, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, THIS ONE IS FOR THE SIGN ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, CORRECT? CORRECT. THIS ONE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER MOTION. SO THERE'S THERE, IT'S NOT BOTH SIGNS. UH, THIS IS THE PREFERRED ORIENTATION AND THEN THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATE, UH, ORIENTATION. AND THERE'S, THERE'S A SIGN FOR THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION IS WHAT I BELIEVE. YES. THIS WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE. I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S ALSO LIKE A SLIDE FOR THE VERBIAGE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. OH, YES, YES. THIS WOULD BE THAT. SLIDE QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS, WHY DOESN'T THE, THE FIRST OPTION MEET OUR CRITERIA? UH, THERE'S A 10 FOOT VERTICAL CLEARANCE, UM, STIPULATION AND IT IS LOWER THAN 10 FEET, BUT FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN TO THE GROUND, 84 INCHES. I HAVE A QUE I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE PURPOSE OF THE 10 FOOT CLEARANCE AND WHAT WOULD BE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF SAYING YES TO, UM, VARIANCE? WHAT COULD HAPPEN? UM, I DON'T KNOW OF NECESSARILY ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. IT'S STILL A CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE. IT'S NOT, YEAH. NOT LIKELY TO IMPEDE PEDESTRIAN UH, TRAVEL, BUT IT IS NONETHELESS A REQUIREMENT OF THE EDC TO HAVE A 10 FOOT MINIMUM. AND SO THAT WOULD BE, IF YOU APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SIGN, THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WOULD THEN CONSIDER THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE CLEARANCE THAT EXISTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THE 10 FOOT, UH, HEIGHT RESTRICTION, IS THAT, UH, NEW TO THE, UH, THE UDC? UM, I BELIEVE IT IS AT LEAST FROM 2020 WHEN THE UDC WAS ADOPTED. OKAY. AND CAN WE SEE OPTION TWO? 'CAUSE ISN'T THAT AT WHAT, LIKE 84 INCHES THEY WERE? YES. SO IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A-A-D-R-C VARIANCE FOR, FOR THE VERTICAL CLEARANCE. AND SO THE APPLICANT WOULD PREFER OPTION ONE OVER OPTION TWO, CORRECT. WHICH OPTION ONE, JUST TO GO BACK IS, IS PARALLEL WITH MAIN STREET AS OPPOSED TO PERPENDICULAR? YEAH, I I CAN SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE MORE VISIBLE TO PATRONS. MM-HMM . DRIVING DOWN THE STREET. DOES, DOES THE SIGN [00:10:02] IT'S NOT IN, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT? IS IT HANGING OVER THE STREET? UH, IT'S OVER THE, LIKE PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE CURB. IN LINE WITH THE CURB. OKAY. YEAH, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS WITH THE FIRST OPTION. MOTIONS FOR THE FIRST OPTION ARE HERE. I MEAN, COMMISSIONERS MAKE A MOTION FOR THE EITHER SIGN THE ORIGINAL OR THE SECONDARY OPTION. UH, I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION ACCEPTS THE FINDINGS AND APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APP APPRO APPROPRIATENESS FOR NEW SIGN PERMITS, UH, FOR OPTION ONE, UH, LOCATED AT 4 5 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET, INCLUDING RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE ASSIGNED VARIANCE TO BE CONSIDERED BY DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 5 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET. TY AND I SECOND FIRST BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT IS SECOND BY COMMISSIONER NICHOLS. EVERYBODY ELSE VOTE. UM, SO THE SIGN FOR ENHANCED REALTY HAS PASSED. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE B. UH, THIS AGENDA ITEM HAS THREE SIGNS WITH ONE REQUIRING A DRC VARIANCE. UH, THIS IS THE SITE MAP AGAIN, UH, THIS WILL BE RELATING TO THE LAINA LOCATION. THIS FIRST ARROW HERE WILL BE THE FIRST PROPOSED SIGN. THIS WILL BE THE SECOND PROPOSED SIGN, AND THIS WILL BE THE THIRD PROPOSED SIGN JUST TO HELP ORIENT YOU ON THE BUILDING AS THEY'RE ALL ON THE SAME BUILDING. UH, THE FIRST PROPOSED SIGN IS SHOWN HERE. IT'S A, A CIRCULAR WALL SIGN WITH A BROWN FONT, APPROXIMATELY 24 AND A HALF SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. IT'S NOT ILLUMINATED. UH, IT'S MADE OF A METAL MATERIAL AND HAS LESS THAN FOUR COLORS. THIS IS THE SECOND PROPOSED SIGN. IT'S ALSO A WALL SIGN. UH, IT HAS A BLACK FONT, IS APPROXIMATELY 5.33 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, IS NOT ILLUMINATED. CONSISTS OF A METAL MATERIAL AND HAS LESS THAN FOUR COLORS. THIS IS THE THIRD PROPOSED SIGN. UH, IT'S A HANGING SIGN WITH A BLACK FONT, APPROXIMATELY SIX SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. NON ILLUMINATED, UH, CONSISTS OF A METAL MATERIAL AND HAS LESS THAN FOUR COLORS. THIS SIGN IS THE ONE THAT REQUIRES A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE DRC VARIANCE, UM, SIMILARLY TO THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM. THIS ALSO HAS A, A SECONDARY, UH, OPTION. UH, IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES THIS ALTERNATIVE DESIGN AS OPPOSED TO THE FIRST DESIGN, WE ASK THAT YOU INCLUDE A STIPULATION ALLOWING FOR APPROVAL PENDING STAFF REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDC. UM, THIS ALTERNATIVE DESIGN IS ANOTHER HANGING SIGN WITH BLACK FONT, APPROXIMATELY FIVE SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, NON ILLUMINATED MADE OF A METAL MATERIAL AND IS LESS THAN FOUR COLORS. UH, STAFF FINDS FOR ALL THE SIGNS THAT THEY MEET THE FOLLOWING UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF BEING LESS THAN FOUR COLORS, UH, CONSISTING OF A MAXIMUM OF TWO FONTS, UH, BEING NON ILLUMINATED AND BEING MADE OF A METAL MATERIAL. UH, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ON AGENDA ITEM FIVE BI YIELD WITH THESE MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION. OKAY, COMMERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SIGN? I'D SAY FOR CONTINUITY, UH, SAKE THAT SIGN THREE, WE GO WITH THE FIRST OPTION TO MEET THE OTHER ENHANCED REALTOR. YEAH. ANY OTHER AND SIGN ONE, TWO. I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH SAME. OKAY. DO I HAVE A COMMISSIONER THAT WANTS TO MAKE A MOVE MOTION? AM I READING THAT TOP PARAGRAPH? OKAY. ALRIGHT. I MOVE THAT THE HISTORICALLY MARKED COMMISSION ACCEPTS THE FINDINGS AND APPROVE A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR NEW SIGNED PERMITS LOCATED AT 4 5 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET, INCLUDING RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE SIGNED VARIANCE TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 5 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET, LANA. OKAY, I'LL VOTE FIRST BY COMMISSIONER NICHOLS AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT VOTE HAS PASSED FOR ALL THREE OF THEIR SIGNS. [00:15:02] WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE C. THIS AGENDA ITEM DOES NOT REQUIRE A DRC VARIANCE. UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN IS FOR SL PERMANENT JEWELRY. HERE'S THE SITE MAP AGAIN WITH THE SL PERMANENT JEWELRY LOCATION BEING SHOWN IN RED. UM, THIS SIGN WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED FOR HLC CONSIDERATION AT THE DECEMBER 2ND MEETING AS A PART OF A LARGER SIGN PACKAGE AND WAS NOT GRANTED A COA. THE APPLICANT HAS RESUBMITTED THIS SIGN WITH A CHANGE TO ITS APPEARANCE. THE ORIGINAL SIGN FROM THE DECEMBER 2ND MEETING IS SHOWN ON THE LEFT AND THE NEW PROPOSED SIGN IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT. THE NEW PROPOSED SIGN CONSISTS OF A WALL-MOUNTED SIGN WITH A BLACK FONT, UH, 22 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, NON ILLUMINATED METAL MATERIAL IN LESS THAN FOUR COLORS. STAFF FINDS THAT THE SIGN MEETS THE FOLLOWING UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF BEING LESS THAN FOUR COLORS, HAVING A MAXIMUM OF TWO FONTS BEING NON ILLUMINATED AND CONSISTING OF A METAL MATERIAL. UH, THE COMMISSION CAN NOW VOTE ON AGENDA ITEM FIVE CI YIELD, UH, WITH THESE MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THE NEW DESIGN FOR THIS APPLICANT? WELL, I THINK LAST MEETING, THE REASON THAT WE DENIED DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DESIGN, BUT THE LOCATION BECAUSE, 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT HAVING A SIGN THERE WOULD CREATE CONFUSION, ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE WINDOWS, THINKING THAT THERE WAS AN ENTRYWAY TO THAT BUSINESS AND THAT PARKING WAS GOING TO BE, UH, TAKEN UP IN THE HAMBY. SO IT, TO ME, IT, IT, IT'S STILL, UH, 'CAUSE I THINK I MADE THE MOTION LAST TIME TO, TO DENY IT. RIGHT. I, I HAD, I HAD A THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. SO THERE WAS A SIGN LAST TIME, UH, IT WAS A GATE TO AN ALLEYWAY. WHERE IS THAT GATE? IS THAT ON THE SAME SIDE AS HAMBY? THE OTHER SIDE, THE SOUTH SIDE, THE OPPOSITE SIDE, OPPOSITE SIDE. I, I DID VISIT THE SITE TODAY. THEY DO HAVE WINDOW CHALK, UH, ON THEIR WINDOWS THAT SAYS, UH, ENTRANCE AROUND THE CORNER. I DUNNO IF THAT'LL WINDOW CHALK. YOU MEAN LIKE A, LIKE A MARKER LIKE YOU WRITE ON WINDSHIELD? YEAH. ARE YOU THE YEAH. OKAY. Y'ALL ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND, HI Y'ALL. I'M MICHAEL PARKER, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF SEL PERMANENT JEWELRY WITH MY WIFE THERE AND OUR DAUGHTER . UM, YEAH, IT IS WINDOW CHALK RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE THE INTENTION OF CREATING MORE CLARITY BY PUTTING AN ACTUAL WINDOW DECAL ON IT. UH, SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT, UH, WHERE THE ACTUAL ENTRANCE IS. UM, WE DO HAVE PRIVATE PARKING IN OUR BACK AND SO WE ENCOURAGE ALL OF OUR, OUR TENANT OR TENANTS, ALL OF OUR CLIENTS TO USE OUR OWN PARKING LOT. UM, BUT WE DO DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY CRITICAL FOR US JUST BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE OFF MAIN STREET. WE'RE ON MAIN STREET, WE WE'RE OFF MAIN STREET, AND SO THIS SIGNAGE REALLY BECOMES REALLY QUITE IMPORTANT FOR US. SO HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT . SO I'M ASSUMING THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UM, CREATE ADDITIONAL VISIBILITY FOR YOUR BUSINESS THAT IF PEOPLE ARE IN PARKING LOT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, LIKE, HEY, WE'RE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. YEAH. YEAH. SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THAT PEOPLE WHO PARK AT HAMBY TO GET A HAMBURGERS, THEY'LL REALIZE THAT THERE'S PERMANENT JEWELRY NEXT DOOR AND THEY'LL WALK AROUND AND, AND VICE VERSA. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE HAMBY PARKING LOT THROUGH THOSE WINDOWS FROM INSIDE . AND WE'RE ALWAYS LIKE, YEAH, IF YOU SMELL THAT SMELL IN THAT ALLEYWAY , THAT'S HAMBY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO WE WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO HELP EACH OTHER OUT. I I CAN, I CAN DEFINITELY SEE THAT. I CAN DEFINITELY ALSO SEE YOUR POINT ABOUT, UH, CONFUSION OF, HEY, WHERE'S THIS BUSINESS AT? UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT, UH, THE CAVEAT THAT THEY, THAT THERE HAS TO BE THAT MORE PERMANENT DECAL AND LARGE ENOUGH FOR DIRECTING PEOPLE TO WHERE TO GO FOR THAT BUSINESS AND THEN SAYING YES TO THE SIGN? WELL, HLC DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER WINDOWS. SO YEAH, THEY COULD PUT UP A DECAL AND THEN TAKE IT DOWN, BUT 'CAUSE WE HAVE NO ENFORCEMENT ON WINDOWS, THEY WOULD NOT, WHAT OTHER SIGNS ARE LOCATED AT, AT YOUR BUSINESS? THE OTHER SIGNS ARE ONE THAT IS FACING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SO IT'S VISIBLE TO THE STREET TRAFFIC FROM RIVER ROAD, UH, AND A HANGING SIGN IN FRONT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE AS THEY'RE WALKING BY. AND THE PREVIOUS TWO AGENDA ITEMS BEING HAD THE HANGING SIGN. YEAH. IF YOU CAN FI PULL IT UP, I'LL STEP BACK. NO, YOU'RE FINE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE MIGHT HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT ? YEAH. I THINK THAT WAS USED AS THE EXEMPLAR FOR WHAT? THAT SIGN? YEAH, AT THE BOTTOM IT'S LIKE A PE PEDESTRIAN SIGN, A HANGING SIGN, PEDESTRIAN SIGN. OH, SO THIS, THIS ONE IS APPROVED? YES. [00:20:01] AND THEN DIDN'T WE ALSO DO, THERE WAS ONE ON THE GATE ON THE, JUST ON THE TOP. THE GATE AND, AND THE WALL TOO, RIGHT? JUST THIS IN THE GATE. I THINK THERE WAS THIS, THE GATE AND THEN A SOUTH FACING WALL THAT ADJOINS THEIR PARKING LOT ALSO HAS A WALL SIGN THAT WAS APPROVED. THAT'S LIKE RIVER ROAD. CORRECT. LET ME GO TO A MAP. SO THE, THE APPROVED WALL SIGN IS ALONG THIS, THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING. OKAY, I REMEMBER THAT. AND THERE GATES THE FRONT OF THE BLACK CAR, RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT THERE. CORRECT. IT'S THE OTHER ONE. NO. IS IT THE OTHER ONE? IS IT THIS ONE? IT'S THE OTHER ONE. YEAH, IT'S THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. THAT'S ALSO WHERE THERE'S A SMALL CIRCULAR SIGN JUST ON THE GATE ITSELF, UH, AS YOU WALK IN. AND OUR, OUR ENTRANCE IS ACTUALLY THIS SMALL DOOR HERE. AND SO THE, THE DECAL HERE, WHICH WE, WE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO GET THERE. UM, IT BENEFITS OUR BUSINESS QUITE A LOT TO GET THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING A BEER AND A BURGER AT HAMBY TO COME AROUND. AND WE ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH THE OWNER OF, OF HAMBY AND SLO, UH, CREEK BREWING. HE'S THE ONE THAT ENCOURAGED US TO COME BACK, UH, ON HIS RECOMMENDATION. THAT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH HIS BUSINESS AT ALL IN THAT PARKING LOT. IT ACTUALLY IS A BENEFIT TO THAT BUSINESS. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S CONSIDERED AS WELL. ANYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTION? 'CAUSE WE ALSO APPROVE THE ONE FOR LOVE DAMA, RIGHT? THEIRS IS ON THE WALL TOO. SO LIKE THAT WALL THAT IS IN THE PARKING LOT WITH HAMBY. YEAH. JUST ONE BUILDING DOWN. YEAH, JUST CLOSER TO THAT. YEAH. I LIKE THE DESIGN OF IT. IT SEEMS MORE EX EXPLAINS IT A LOT BETTER. . I MEAN ULTIMATELY I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ABOUT CUSTOMER CONFUSION, BUT I FEEL ULTIMATELY THAT IS A, THAT'S AN ISSUE BETWEEN THE ESTABLISHMENT AND THE POTENTIAL CUSTOMER. IF THEY REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT IS, THEY MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE CIRCLE AROUND THE BUILDING TO, TO FIND OUT AND, UH, HELPS PEOPLE EXPLORE BERNIE A LITTLE MORE AND SEE OTHER THINGS WHILE TRYING TO SOLVE THE MYSTERY. . SOUNDS GOOD. CAN YOU FIND THE DOOR TO YOU? UM, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT FOR A NEW SIGN LOCATED AT FOUR FIVE OR 4 5 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET, SL PERMANENT JEWELRY AS PRESENTED. AND THE FIRST, SORRY, BY COMMISSIONER NICHOLS. AND THERE WAS A SECOND WHAT I SECONDED ACTUALLY. OKAY. THE SECOND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER. MADAM, IF EVERYBODY CAN VOTE SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU. OH, SORRY. THE FIRST ONE OF THE YEAR. WE GOTTA GET BACK IN THE ROUTINE. . OKAY. THAT APPROVES. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK WITH YOUR NEW SUBMISSION. HAVE TO COME SEE WHAT Y'ALL DO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU BEN. [Items 5.D & 5.E] UM, COMMISSIONER HINES AND SO YOU CAN COME UP NOW. SO WE HAVE TWO MORE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS AND THEY'RE GONNA BE BE PRESENTED AT THE SAME TIME AS WELL. IT'S THE SAME BUILDING, UM, JUST DIFFERENT ONE'S EXTERIOR AND ONE'S IN UM, SIGNS. SO WE CAN DO, UM, AGENDA FIVE D, WHICH IS 2 0 2 5 6 3 5 IS TO CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT, IS THAT RIGHT? ? HOLD ON. YEAH, I, IT'S GOT TWO NUMBERS. UH, 2 2 5 DASH 2 5 7 NORTH MAIN STREET. AND THEN, UH, GEN ITEM E, WHICH IS 2 0 2 5 DASH 6 3 6. CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT LOCATED AT 2 2 5 DASH 2 5 6 NORTH MAIN STREET. YES. UM, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOANNE MARIE ANDRADE. I AM A PLANNER WITH THE CITY AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING THESE ITEMS. UM, JUST CLARIFICATION, I THINK HISTORICALLY THE SPACE WAS TWO SUITES AND SO IT HAD TWO ADDRESSES. 2, 2 5 AND 2 2 7. SO, UM, BECAUSE IT'S THE BUSINESS IS TAKING OVER BOTH SUITES, IT HAS BOTH THE ADDRESSES MM-HMM . SO A LITTLE BIT CONFUSION THERE, BUT THAT'S OKAY. ALRIGHT THEN I JUST SAW THAT THE AGENDA HAS IT TYPED WRONG, SO [00:25:01] THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE THAT. THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE . SO THE CORRECT ADDRESS IS 2 2 5 DASH 2 2 7 2 7. IT SAYS 2 5 7. OH GOSH. OKAY. I WAS QUESTION . OH NO, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO, YOU'RE THANK. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, AS, UH, COMMISSIONER PENA SAID WE ARE PRESENTING, UH, THE TWO REQUESTS AS A SINGLE PRESENTATION FOR CLARITY AND EFFICIENCY AS THEY'RE LOCATED AT THE SAME ADDRESS. HOWEVER, THEY WILL BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY. THE PROPERTY, UM, IS AGAIN LOCATED AT 2 25 AND 2 27 SOUTH MAIN STREET. UH, LAUREN BELLS IS THE APPLICANT. HER AND HER, UH, PARTNER ARE HERE, UM, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND TO DO AN INTRODUCTION AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE FOR TWO SEPARATE COAS. UM, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C3 COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. THE BUILDING IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT. THE BUILDING IS A CIRCA 19 55 1 STORY COMMERCIAL INFILL STRUCTURE. IT FEATURES CONCRETE BLOCK CONSTRUCTION WITH GLASS BLOCK ACCENTS ALONG THE WINDOWS AND AN EN AND ELONGATED BRICK FE. FOR ITEM FIVE D, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A COA FOR EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS. EXISTING FEATURES INCLUDE A FLAT ROOF, AGAIN, THE ELONGATED BRICK FACADE, THE PICTURE WINDOWS WITH THE GLASS, BLACK GLASS BLOCK ACCENTS. AND, UM, THE CURRENT WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE PLACED WITHIN THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT OPENINGS FOR THEIR, UH, PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK. THEY WILL WANT TO REPLACE TWO WINDOWS, REPLACE TWO DOORS, AND REPAINT THE EXTERIOR. ALL THE WORK WILL REMAIN WITHIN THE EXISTING OPENINGS AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. STAFF EVALUATED THE PROPOSED, UM, IMPROVEMENTS AGAINST HISTORIC DISTRICT CRITERIA, UH, BEING, UH, HISTORIC APPROPRIATENESS, UH, COMPATIBLE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, STREAK SCAPE OBJECTIVES, AND THE OVERALL ENHANCEMENT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. FOR THE WINDOW REPLACEMENTS. THEY PROPOSE, UM, TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FIXED PICTURE WINDOWS WITH TWO NEW, UH, FIXED PICTURE WINDOWS, UM, AND REMOVING THE GLASS BLOCK PANELS. UM, IT WILL BE INSTALLED WITHIN THE EXISTING OPENINGS. THE SUBMITTAL INDICATES THAT THEY WILL BE WOOD UNITS WITH ALUMINUM CLOUD EXTERIORS AND BLACK EXTERIOR TRIM. THE, UH, PROPOSAL TO REPLACE THE TWO DOORS ARE IN KIND. THEY WILL RETAIN THE EXISTING OPENINGS AND PROPORTIONS. THE REPLACEMENT DOORS ARE FIBERGLASS UNITS WITH BLACK EXTERIOR TRIM AND BRONZE HARDWARE. THE EXTERIOR WILL BE REPAINTED WITH A NEUTRAL, UM, COLOR FOR THE BODY AND A DARK TRIM FOR THE BODY. THEY'RE PROPOSING SHERWIN WILLIAMS NATURAL LINEN WITH AN EGGSHELL FINISH AND FOR THE TRIM AND THE DOORS, SHERWIN WILLIAMS TRICO BLACK, ALSO WITH AN EGGSHELL FINISH. UH, THIS PALLET PROVIDES APPROPRIATE CONTRAST IS AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF ANALYSIS. UM, DETERMINED THAT THE DOORS RETAIN ORIGINAL OPENINGS AND PROPORTIONS. THE WINDOW REPLACEMENTS MATCH ORIGINAL SIZE AND CONFIGURATION MATERIALS AND FINISHES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILDING'S CHARACTER. THE PAINT PALETTE COMPLIMENTS THE HISTORIC STREETSCAPE AND THERE WILL BE, UH, NO REMOVAL OF HISTORIC DEFINING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS MEET BERNIE UD C'S REGULATIONS AS WELL AS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN, UM, GUIDELINES. I, UM, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ON AGENDA ITEM FIVE D. UM, I YIELD THE COMMISSION WITH THESE MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATIONS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND OUR APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO DO A BRIEF INTRODUCTION IF THAT'S OKAY. SURE. HELLO. WELCOME. IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME FOR RECORD, PLEASE. YES, GO AHEAD. HI, I'M ROBERT BELLS. AND I'M LAUREN BELLS. AND WE'RE THE OWNERS OF ART SPA HOUSE COMMISSIONERS. THANKS FOR THE CHANCE TO ALLOW US TO TALK TO Y'ALL TODAY AND JOIN. THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP. UM, PAST COUPLE WEEKS, . UM, YES, WE ARE NEW TO BERNIE, BUT NOT STRANGERS. I USED TO WORK AT, UH, ROCK STREET ANTIQUES, LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET, UH, BEFORE CITY HALL WAS BUILT. UH, AND LAUREN AND I GOT MARRIED AT ST. PETER, UH, WHAT, EIGHT, NINE YEARS AGO. UH, THE, UH, BUT WE HAVE A STAY SPA IN SAN ANTONIO AND LIKE EVERY OTHER BUSINESS WE'RE TRYING TO GROW. UH, AND WE LOVE BERNIE AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO OFFER AND, [00:30:01] UM, WE HOPE TO ADD SOME VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY WITH US. AWESOME. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. CHRISTIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, I SAW IN THE RENDERING THAT THERE WERE LIGHTS. ARE THOSE LIGHTS, THE EXTERIOR LIGHTS NEXT TO THE DOORS, ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE GONNA BE NEW OR ARE THEY BE BEING REPLACED OR? CURRENTLY THE LIGHTS ARE UP, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THAT LOOKS LIKE A, THERE LIKE TO THE, LIKE IF YOU LOOK BY THE DOOR, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THAT'S ONE AND MAYBE YEAH, THEY HAVE ON BOTH SIDES. SO THERE WAS A DOOR WHERE THAT RED ROOSTER POSTER IS, IF YOU WILL, A DOOR OPENING. SO THEY DO HAVE TWO LIGHTS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN CAPPED. YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN THIS PICTURE BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST UNDER THE AWNING. UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU COULD BRING IT DOWN OR NOT, BUT THERE IS POWER RIGHT THERE, SO NOT SUPER, UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA, IT'S, IT IS, I MEAN, THE SCONCES, IF WE CAN GET HIM GREAT. IF NOT, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL OR DEAL BREAKER FOR US. BUT THERE IS POWER, IT'S JUST ABOVE, IT'S RIGHT UNDER THAT AWNING OVERHANG I CAN SEE. SO THE NEW LIGHTS WILL BE, OR THE THEY'LL BE NEW. DO YOU HAVE A REFERENCE, UH, PICTURE OF THOSE OR? I, I DON'T, I JUST HAVE WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN THE, THE PHOTO. BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL PICTURE FROM LIKE HOME DEPOT WHERE IT WOULD BE FROM. DO YOU MIND IF WE PUT THE APPROVAL FOR THE LIGHT FIXTURES ON HOLD UNTIL NEXT MONTH AND THEN YOU CAN GO AHEAD WITH YOUR, THAT WORKS FOR REMODELING AND I'M HAPPY TO STAY HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERING. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORK YOUR COMPUTER SO I WON'T TOUCH ANY BUTTONS, BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. OH, GO AHEAD. OKAY. UM, AND Y'ALL'S NEW RENDERING VERSUS THE EXISTING IMAGE OF THE BUILDING? THE AWNING IS, LOOKS, I MEAN IT COULD JUST BE BECAUSE IT'S A RENDERING, IT'S LOOKS LIKE THIS ONE'S LIKE SOLID BLACK AND THE OTHER ONE STRIPES. YES. WE WILL EVENTUALLY BE SUBMITTING TO REPLACE THE AWNING. WE HAVE NOT FOUND A AWNING COMPANY THAT HAS REPLIED AS FAR AS WHEN THEY CAN DO IT PRICE OR ANY OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE SHOPPING AROUND RIGHT NOW. BUT WE DO PLAN TO REPLACE THE AWNING AND IT'D BE AN ALL BLACK AWNING, THE SAME EXISTING STRUCTURE. 'CAUSE IT HAS A METAL STRUCTURE UNDER IT. IT WOULD JUST BE REPLACING THE CLOTH. SO JUST COME BACK WITH THAT. SOUNDS GOOD. THAT WAS MY QUESTION, . AND I KNOW STAFF MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A FLAT ROOF. WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT CON UH, COVER? OH, IT, IT'S JUST EXPLAINING THAT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS A FLAT, FLAT ROOF. THERE'S NO PICTURE OR ANYTHING. YEAH. OKAY. JUST CONTEXT. OKAY. AND THAT THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THAT. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO A STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 2 2 5 DASH 2 2 7 NORTH MAIN STREET ART SPA HOUSE TO EXCLUDE EXTERIOR FIXTURES AND, UH, CANOPY REPLACEMENT. AND THE FIRST BY COMMISSIONER NICHOLS AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT. ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS CAN VOTE AT THIS TIME. PERFECT. UM, EXTERIOR COLORS AND THE SIGN HAS BEEN APPROVED. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU FOR COMING TO BERNIE FOR YOUR BUSINESS. . OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE E. UH, YOU JUST APPROVED THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, UM, EXCLUDING THE LIGHT FIXTURES AND THE AWNING. UM, FOR FIVE E THIS WILL BE THE PROPOSED SIGN. UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING A COA FOR A NON, A NEW NON ILLUMINATED WALL SIGN. THE PROPOSAL IS A WALL SIGN OF INDIVIDUAL LETTER SPELLING ART SPA HOUSE. UM, IT IS NON ILLUMINATED. IT'S FINISHED BLACK TO COORDINATE WITH THE BUILDING'S TRIM AND PLACED CENTERED ON THE SIGN BAND ABOVE THE STOREFRONT, UH, SLASH AWNING. UH, A FEW MORE DETAILS. THE LETTERS ARE 14 INCHES TALL AND WILL SPREAD OUT TO A 15 FOOT OVERALL LENGTH FOR AN AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 17.5 SQUARE FEET. THE LETTERS ARE ALUMINUM CHANNEL LETTERS MOUNTED INDIVIDUALLY. STAFF FINDS THAT THE DESIGN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE UDC AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINE REQUIREMENTS. IT'S LESS THAN FOUR COLORS. THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ILLUMINATION. IT'S MADE OF A METAL MATERIAL AND IT'S JUST ONE FONT. UH, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ON AGENDA ITEM FIVE EI [00:35:01] YIELD TO THE COMMISSION WITH THESE MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. CAN WE SEE THE YEAH. OUR, OUR SMALL HOUSE? YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT SIGN. I THINK IT FITS THE SPACE. UM, IT'S NICE AND CLEAN. MM-HMM . I LIKE IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OH, IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH OTHER DESIGN ACROSS THE CITY THAT OF, OF LIKE TYPE ARCHITECTURE. I LIKE IT. COMMISSIONER, ANYBODY WANNA MAKE EMOTIONAL? OKAY, I MOVE THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION ACCEPT THE FINDINGS AND APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 4 2 2 5 DASH 2 2 7 SOUTH MAIN STREET. I HAVE UH, UM, FIRST MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT AND THEN SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MA. THE REST OF COMMISSIONERS CAN VOTE. AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THIS IS NOT REGARDING THE SIGN, BUT JUST THE ADDRESS, SINCE IT COVERS TWO ADDRESSES, DOES THAT STILL LIMIT THE BUSINESS JUST TO THREE SIGNS OR CAN THEY HAVE TWO SINCE IT'S NOT TWO MAILING ADDRESSES OR SIX SIGNS? SINCE IT'S TWO MAILING ADDRESSES, I THINK THERE'S A STIPULATION. UM, IF THE FRONTAGE OF THE TWO, UM, TENANTS IS LESS THAN 50 FEET, THEN IT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE, TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD APPLY HERE. UM, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS OF THE FRONTAGE THOUGH, BUT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE IT USED TO BE BY MAILING ADDRESS AND THEN IT USED TO BE BY BUSINESS. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. YEAH, GOOD QUESTION. DIDN'T AFFECT Y'ALL. IT'S JUST A QUESTION. WE HAD QUESTION THOUGH. MM-HMM . SO THAT MOTION PASSED FOR YOUR SIGN AS WELL. OKAY. AWESOME. SO THAT IS THE CLOSE OF THE REGULAR AGENDA. UM, NEXT ITEM IS IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONS OR LEGAL COUNSEL OR STAFF TO DISCUSS. NONE FROM STAFF AND LEGAL'S NOT HERE. SO, PERFECT. , UM, I MOVE TO ADJOURN. UH, FIRST I, SECOND S AND THE SECOND REMAINS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.