Apr 07, 2026 Historic Landmark Commission on 04/07/2026 5:30 PM

ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

THE, UH, CONSENTED OR THE MINUTES FOR MARCH MEETING HAS BEEN APPROVED.

MOVING

[A. 2026-108 Hold a Public Hearing and consider a request for a demolition permit for the structure(s) located at 306 Irons Street.]

UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS 2 0 2 6 1.

THIS IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR A STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 3 0 6 IRON STREET.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS FRANKIE LINDER WITH THE CITY OF BERNIE'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

UM, AS YOU JUST STATED, THIS PROPERTY IS AT 3 0 6 IRON STREET.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS KENNETH WOOD, THEIR REQUEST, EXCUSE ME, KENNETH WOODS.

THE REQUEST IS TO DEMOLISH A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AS WELL AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON SITE.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT IS OLDER THAN 50 YEARS OLD.

THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED R TWO M, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND ITS CURRENT USE IS RESIDENTIAL.

ALTHOUGH, AS YOU'LL SEE FROM THE SITE PHOTOS HERE IN A MOMENT, UM, IT IS NOT REALLY UP FOR OCCUPATION CURRENTLY.

SO HERE IS THE STREET VIEW.

IT WAS CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 1967.

IT IS APPROXIMATELY 1,246 SQUARE FEET, AND IT IS IN POOR CONDITION.

UH, STAFF AS WELL AS, UM, UH, CHAIRWOMAN.

UH, PENA DID CONDUCT A SITE VISIT IN MARCH, AND HERE ARE A FEW PHOTOS FROM IT.

THIS DEMOLITION DOES ALSO INCLUDE THE CARPORT.

IN ADDITION TO THE MAIN HOME, THERE WERE 83 NOTIFICATIONS THAT WERE MAILED TO PROPERTIES WITHIN 500 FOOT RADIUS OF THE PROPERTY.

AND IT WAS NOTICED IN THE BERNIE STAR.

WE RECEIVED SEVEN RESPONSES IN FAVOR OF THE DEMOLITION AND ONE RESPONSE WITHOUT AN OPINION.

UM, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT AMOUNT THAN WAS IN YOUR A IS UH, THAT'S 'CAUSE THEY WERE RECEIVED AFTER THAT WAS POSTED.

KEY FINDINGS INCLUDE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT A HISTORICAL LANDMARK AND IT DOES NOT HAVE ARCHITECTURAL CULTURAL OR EDUCATIONAL VALUE.

AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION SHOULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE IF THE REQUEST MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDC SECTION TWO 11 AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

HERE ARE MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION.

UM, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW, STARTING AT 5 35.

IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, COME FORWARD AND MAKE A COMMENT.

UH, THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCUSSION OR DIALOGUE WITH COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME.

IT'S JUST FOR YOU TO COME FORWARD AND STATE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ABOUT THE PROJECT.

UM, I KNOW MR. YOUR MAUM, YOU WENT WITH ME TO SEE THE SITE? NOT THAT ONE.

LOOKS LIKE NO ONE'S COMING FORWARD.

SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 5 37.

UM, NOW, CHAIRMAN, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT Y'ALL HAVE?

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I WENT TO THE OTHER ONE.

OH, YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THAT ONE? MM-HMM.

I WAS THERE.

DID YOU GO TO THE SITE VISIT? YES.

UM, I MEAN THE, IT'S A CINDER BLOCK BUILDING.

SO IS THE, IS IT CRUMBLING OR THE INSIDE PRETTY MUCH IS NOT.

UPHOLD, I MEAN, IS THAT BRICK FACE OR JUST, IT'S JUST THIS, JUST THE OUTSIDE OF IT IS THE INSIDE WAS WOOD.

UM, AND I DON'T RECALL IF THERE WAS A FOUNDATION OR IF IT WAS, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ONE.

WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE LIVE WIRES THAT WE HAD TO WATCH THAT WE WERE WALKING UNDER.

OH YEAH.

THERE'S ONE RIGHT HERE.

TO WATCH OUT FOR.

I DID CUT MY FOOT WHILE ON SITE.

WE DID NOT GO INSIDE THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT WASN'T REALLY SAFE FOR THAT KIND OF INSPECTION.

IS YOUR TETANUS UP TO DATE? THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T ASK MY DOCTOR.

UM, BUT THE MIDDLE STRUCTURE BEHIND THAT IS NOT ON THIS PROPERTY.

THAT IS THE NEIGHBOR PROPERTY.

THAT'S THE NEIGHBORING OKAY.

THAT GALVANIZED ONE.

THAT I'M, AS I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE THIS COME DOWN AND SOMETHING.

WE TALKED TO A FEW WHEN YOU WERE OUT THERE BETTER IN ITS PLACE.

WE DID RECEIVE, UM, FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF THE DEMOLITION.

ANY, UM, CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS OF WHAT WOULD BE PUT IN ITS PLACE? UM, CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

EVERYONE HAS QUESTIONS, UM, BUT IT COMES BACK TO THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

SO THIS IS R TWO M.

UM, THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE ZONING.

SO WHATEVER COULD BE BUILT, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AGO IS WHAT COULD BE BUILT TOMORROW.

WHICH IS BASICALLY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE FINDINGS AND APPROVE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT REQUEST AT 6 3 0 6 IRON STREET.

I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MINES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MADAM COMMISSIONERS CAN VOTE.

UM, THE, UM, APPROVAL HAS BEEN PASSED FOR THE DEMOLITION AT 3 0 6 IRON STREET.

UH, KEY FINDINGS INCLUDE THAT THIS IS NOT A HISTORIC LANDMARK AND DOES NOT HAVE ARCHITECTURAL, CULTURAL OR EDUCATIONAL VALUE.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT REGULAR AGENDA.

[B. 2026-109 Hold a Public Hearing and consider a request for a demolition permit for the structure(s) located at 134 North Plant Avenue.]

2 0 2 6 DASH 1 0 9.

IT'S A HOLD OF ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CON IN CONSIDER.

A REQUEST FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR A STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 1 34 NORTH PLANT AVENUE.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS BEN SIMMONS.

I'M A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WILL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM.

UH, FIRST WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THE BACKGROUND OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S ADDRESSED AS 1 34 NORTH PLANT AVENUE AND THE APPLICANT IS JACK BALLINGER.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT.

UH, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE M MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS NOT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IS OLDER THAN 50 YEARS.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT THE, THIS DEMOLITION CASE DOES NOT CHANGE THE ZONING OR THE ALLOWED USES FOR THIS PROPERTY.

UH, IF THAT WERE GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT OWNER WOULD WANNA DO IN THE FUTURE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC NOTICING AS WELL AS GO BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.

UH, THIS STRUCTURE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1955 AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1300 SQUARE FEET AND IS IN A FAIR, LIVABLE CONDITION.

UH, THE NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES WILL SHOW IMAGES FROM OUR SITE VISIT THAT TOOK PLACE ON MARCH 25TH, UH, IN ATTENDANCE WHERE CITY STAFF CHAIRWOMAN PENA AND COMMISSIONER MADAM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

THESE ARE THE INSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.

THESE ARE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT'S ON SITE THAT WILL ALSO BE DEMOLISHED.

REGARDING PUBLIC NOTICE, 72 NOTIFICATIONS WERE MAILED TO PROPERTIES WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND THIS REQUEST WAS NOTICED IN THE BERNIE STAR.

UM, WE RECEIVED 15 RESPONSES, 11 OF WHICH WERE IN FAVOR AND FOUR OF WHICH WERE OPPOSED.

UH, THOSE OPPOSED STATED CONCERNS ABOUT DIMINISHED NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERS, A RESULT OF THE DEMOLITION, AS WELL AS UNCERTAINTY OF WHAT WE BUILT IN THE PLACE OF THIS BUILDING.

UH, THIS NUMBER IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET AS WE RECEIVED NOTICE AFTER PUBLISHING.

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UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION SHOULD HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE IF THIS REQUEST MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF UDC SECTION TWO 11 AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

UH, WITH THAT I WILL YIELD FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS WITH THESE MOTIONS.

SOUNDS GOOD.

UM, AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING STARTING AT 5 41.

UM, THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS TO RECEIVE.

THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SHARE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE THIS PROJECT TO BE DEMOED.

UM, THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCUSSION OR DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMISSIONS DURING THIS TIME.

IT'S JUST FOR YOU TO COME FORWARD AND SAY ANYTHING IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYBODY IS.

SO I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 5 42 COMMISSIONERS.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PICTURES OR THE SITE VISIT THAT WE HAD, WE'D BE HAPPY TO MADE THEM.

IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT.

NO, I MEAN, I KNOW WE WERE ABLE TO GO INTO THIS HOUSE AND CLEARLY HAD YEAH.

FOUNDATION PROBLEMS. I MEAN, EVERY ROOM WAS ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

, UM, MAYBE YOU CAN EVEN SEE LIKE THE DOORS AND STUFF.

I MEAN, IT CLEARLY HAD STRUCTURE ISSUES FOR SURE.

I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THOSE WHO OPPOSE IT BECAUSE WE ARE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, REALLY OLD HOUSES.

WE HAVE DENIED DEMOLITION PERMITS FOR HOUSES MAYBE 20 YEARS OLDER.

WELL, WHERE ARE WE GONNA BE IN 20 YEARS? YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING NOW AT WHAT I'M STARTING TO SEE MORE OF A COMMON THREAD OF, OF, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS CHANGING.

AND, UM, THAT KIND OF CONCERNS ME.

ACTUALLY.

YOU TOOK THE WORDS OUTTA MY MOUTH.

I MEAN, THAT IS A VERY NICE MID-CENTURY MODERN, UM, ACTUALLY PREDATING THAT ERA, UM, WITH VERY, YOU KNOW, NICE FEATURES INSIDE WITH THE BUILT-INS AND, UM, THE PORCH.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THE EXTENT OF THE FOUNDATION ISSUES, UM, AND YOU KNOW, HOW, UM, FIXABLE THAT IS SO I CAN UNDERSTAND FOUNDATION ISSUES.

BUT I HAVE NOTICED, UM, PRIOR TO MY BEING ON THIS COMMISSION EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WHICH IS THE, THE NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS CHANGING AND TEARING DOWN HOUSES WITH CHAR, DARE I SAY, CHARACTER AND PLACING, UM, ULTRAMODERN HOMES IN ITS PLACE.

UM, AND I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORS THAT OPPOSE, LIKE, WHAT'S GONNA BE PUT IN ITS PLACE.

AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE, THE NATURE OF WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS TO ESTABLISH OR, UM, MAKE A DECISION BASED ON.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS, UM, A GOOD, UH, BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW, QUESTION THAT MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE.

THAT'S, THAT'S ALL.

ESPECIALLY IF IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF SEEMS TO BE, AND YOU SAID MODERATE.

UM, SO IT'S NOT POOR.

IT'S NOT FALLING DOWN LIKE THE PREVIOUS HOME THAT WAS, UM, UH, PRESENTED TO US.

UM, SO I MEAN, DO WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO JUST TEAR DOWN A HOUSE FOR THE SAKE OF TEARING DOWN A HOUSE? AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FOR US TO SAY, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WEIGHS IN MY MIND, CAN YOU GO BACK TO ONE OF THE EXTERIOR PICTURES? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS, WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE ON A FOUNDATION 'CAUSE IT'S CMU, BUT HERE'S SOME OF THE FRONT.

IT DOES HAVE VENTS AT THE BOTTOM THOUGH.

PROBABLY JUST A, LIKE A CONCRETE FOOTING AND THEN PIER AND BEAM UNDERNEATH THAT.

AND I KNOW WITH PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATIONS YOU CAN DO THE CHANGE.

THERE'S VENTS UNDER THERE, SO IT'S NOT YEAH.

BUT THERE'S A, UM, THIS THING RIGHT HERE ISN'T THAT, UH, CRAWL SPACE.

IT'S A PIER AND BEAM.

IS THIS THE CURRENT OWNER THAT, THAT IS WANTING TO DEMOLISH? CORRECT.

THERE'S PIPES COMING HERE.

YOU CAN ADJUST THE BOTTLE JACKS, YOU CAN WATER THE FOUNDATION, UM, TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IF IT'S NOT HAS CRACK.

IF IT DOESN'T HAVE CRACKS ALL THE WAY UP THE WALLS SHOWING THAT IT'S HAD MADE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURAL, UH, ISSUES WITH THE HOME ITSELF.

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AND CAN WE GO BACK TO HOW MANY WERE VOTING, THE ONES THAT ARE AFFECTED AROUND IT, HOW MANY ARE VOTING IN FAVOR OF IT, AND THEN WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM IS DENYING OR, YOU KNOW, AGAINST IT? FOUR AND 11? OH YEAH.

I WANNA MAKE SURE THE, UM, COMMISSION KNOWS THAT THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE AS WELL TONIGHT.

OH, SO THEY CAN DEFINITELY COME UP.

IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.

YES MA'AM.

JACK BALLINGER.

UM, MS. PENNY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW, TWO MONTHS AGO MAYBE.

UM, HER PLAN WAS TO TEAR DOWN THE HOME AND REBUILD ONE OF THE SAME MODEL, I GUESS.

UM, I DON'T THINK THE PICTURES REPRESENTED VERY WELL.

I MEAN UP CLOSE, UH, SORRY.

UP CLOSE.

UM, AS BEN SAW, THE DOOR WEIGHS VERY NARROW, THEY KIND OF TILT.

UM, FOUNDATION.

I CAN'T SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, IT'S A, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE WORD? I MEAN, IT'S AN OLD FOUNDATION.

HAS THAT CRAWLSPACE UNDER IT? UH, OLDER HOME.

UH, I MEAN, I THINK IT JUST, IT'D TAKE A LOT OF WORK TO GET IT TO ANY, WHAT'S THIS, WHAT'S THE WORD? UP TO DATE? YEAH.

SITUATION.

UM, IT'S GOT A NICE LOT ON IT.

UM, THINK SHE WANTED TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT MAYBE, BUT A NICER HOME.

MAYBE NOT NICER, IT'S NOT THE WORD.

UH, LARGER HOME AND USE MORE OF THE LOT.

UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THE WORD IS.

UH, JUST AN OLDER HOME THAT SHE WANTED TO IS A IS IT A VINTAGE STYLE THAT THEY'RE GOING FOR? UM, I'M NOT TOO SURE ON THAT ONE.

I GIVE IF THEY, I UM, IF THE DEMOLITION IS APPROVED, DO THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER APPROVAL PROCESS FOR WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING UP? UH, THEY WON'T HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER BOARD.

UM, INSTEAD IF THEY'RE DOING SAY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UM, THEY JUST NEED TO MEET CITY CODE AND REGULATIONS.

UH, BECAUSE THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT WOULDN'T GO TO Y'ALL FOR YOUR REVIEW OF THE DESIGN LIKE IT WOULD IF IT WAS WITHIN THE DISTRICT ON THE MILE SOMEWHERE.

SO FROM, FROM WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, IT SOUNDS LIKE A, A PRIVATE BUYER BOUGHT THIS HOUSE AND WANTS TO PLAY, PUT ANOTHER, UM, IT REPLACE THE EXISTING HOME WITH A, WITH A NEW ONE THAT, UM, THEY WOULD BE RESIDING IN.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT RESIDING IN, UM, BUT JUST A NEWER HOME.

UH, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A, AN INVESTMENT FIRM? NO, MA'AM.

NO MA'AM.

SHE LIVES HERE IN BURNIE AND, OKAY.

AND IT'S ONLY, IT'S ONLY COMING TO US BECAUSE OF THE AGE.

OTHER THAN THAT IT WOULDN'T EVEN CROSS OUR DESK.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IF IT WAS 49 YEARS OLD, IT YEAH, THEY COULD DEMOLISH IT AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY MATERIALS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, HISTORICAL THAT WERE NEEDING TO BE KEPT ON IT.

UM, I DO KNOW SHE HAS HAD, UM, OH, WHAT'S THE WORD? PICKERS COME THROUGH.

AND I, I DO THINK THE STOVE WAS VINTAGE.

SHE HAD THAT PICKED UP.

UM, THE SINK SINK THE SAME WAY.

IT WAS, THE SINK WAS NICE.

BUT, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN IT'S JUST MATERIAL.

I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S PROBABLY PORCELAIN APPLIANCES.

AND MA'AM PORCELAIN SINK WITH TWO DRAIN BOARDS HAD TWO DRAIN BOARDS ON THE SIDE OF IT.

I USED TO HAVE A HOUSE LIKE THAT.

I THINK PATTY MADE A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DEMO PERMIT, THE DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR ALL THE STRUCTURES AT 1 34 NORTH PLANT AVENUE AND A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MINES.

AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MADAM IF ALL, EVERYBODY, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS CAN MAKE A VOTE.

EXCUSE ME.

THE NEXT REGULAR AGENDA ITEM TO CONS.

THE MOTION HAS PASSED FOR DEMOLITION PERMITS FOR THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 1 34 NORTH PLANT AVENUE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.

MOVING ON TO

[C. 2026-110 Consider a certificate of appropriateness for a new sign permit located at 402 East Blanco Road. (Crestmont Christian Preparatory School)]

IT'S 2 0 2 6 DASH ONE ZERO.

CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW SIGN PERMIT LOCATED AT 4 0 2 EAST BLANCO ROAD.

SORRY.

THIS IS AGENDA ITEM FIVE C.

UH, SOME OF

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THE BACKGROUND OF THE PROPERTY.

IT IS ADDRESSED AS 4 0 2 EAST BLANCO ROAD AND THE APPLICANT IS KELLY MATTINGLY.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW POSTING PANEL SIGN.

THIS PROPERTY IS ZONE C3 COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.

IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS CURRENTLY USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.

THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1910 IN A SCHOOLHOUSE STYLE.

UH, THE CONSTRUCTION FEATURES RUST LOCATED LIMESTONE BLOCKS WITH A STANDING SEAM METAL HIP ROOF.

UM, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS BOARD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WINDOW REPLACEMENTS FOR THIS PROPERTY AT THE FEBRUARY HLC MEETING.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SIGN DESIGN.

IT'S A 24 SQUARE FOOT PANEL WITH A BLUE, WHITE, AND GRAY COLOR SCHEME, UH, CONSTRUCTED OF AN ALUMINUM COMPOSITE MATERIAL AND NON ILLUMINATED, UH, STAFF FINDS THAT THIS MEETS THE UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.

IT'S MADE OF A METAL MATERIAL, IT FEATURES ONE TYPEFACE, IT'S NON ILLUMINATED AND USES EARTH TONE COLORS.

I WILL YIELD FOR DISCUSSION IN QUESTION WITH THESE MOTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE.

I CAN GO BACK TO THE SIGN.

I DUNNO.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SIGN? YEAH.

THIS IS, COULD BE UP CLOSE TO THE BUILDING.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I MAKE A MOTION .

I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SIGN LOCATED AT 4 0 2 EAST BLANCO ROAD.

I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER MINES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GRAVES.

EVERYBODY VOTE PLEASE.

THE MOTION HAS PASSED FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW SIGNED PERMIT LOCATED AT 6 1 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

[D. 2026-111 Consider a certificate of appropriateness for a new sign permit located at 615 South Main Street. (Ministry of Dance)]

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT REGULAR AGENDA ITEM TO CONSIDER.

UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW SIGN.

SORRY, MY AGENDA THAT'S MISSING ONE OF THE NEW SIGNS.

UM, WHICH ONE IS THIS ONE? THIS IS AGENDA ITEM.

AGENDA ITEM FIVE D TO CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW SIGN AT 6 1 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

THANK YOU .

UH, THIS AGENDA ITEM FIVE C.

THIS PROPERTY IS ADDRESSED AS 6 1 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS KELLY MATTINGLY.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW WALL SIGN.

UH, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED C TWO TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL.

UH, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS CURRENTLY USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.

UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED IN 1923 AS THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF BERNIE AND HAS BEEN HOME TO SEVERAL COMMERCIAL USES SINCE THE 1980S.

UH, THIS IMAGE SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED SIGN, WHICH WILL BE OVER THIS DOOR.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SIGN DESIGN.

UH, IT FEATURES A THREE SQUARE FOOT METAL PANEL WITH A BROWN BACKGROUND, GOLD LETTERING AND SILVER ACCENTS.

AND IT WILL NOT BE ILLUMINATED.

STAFF FINDS THE SIGN MEETS THE UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.

IT'S A METAL MATERIAL MAXIMUM OF TWO TYPEFACES, NOT ILLUMINATED AND EARTH TONE COLORS.

UM, HERE ARE SOME MOTIONS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

THE IMAGE HAS IT SHIFTED, BUT IT'S GONNA BE CENTERED ON THE DOOR, CORRECT? CORRECT.

THE APPLICANT SAID THEY WOULD BE, UH, WILLING TO CENTER IT OVER THE DOOR.

IS THIS THE SAME DESIGN THAT THEY HAVE ON, ON THEIR OTHER SIGNS THAT WE APPROVE? YEAH.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SIGN LOCATED AT 6 1 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MAY.

THEN SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MADAM, ALL COMMISSIONERS COULD VOTE.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE.

MOTION IS PASSED FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW SIGN PERMIT LOCATED AT 6 1 5 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

[E. 2026-112 Consider a certificate of appropriateness for a new sign permit located at 401 East Blanco Road. (Ablaze Ministries)]

IT'S 2 0 2 6 1 DASH 112.

CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW SIGN PERMIT LOCATED AT 4 0 1

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EAST BLANCO ROAD.

GOOD EVENING.

AGAIN, COMMISSION.

UH, THIS PROPERTY, AS YOU SAID, IS AT 4 0 1 EAST BLANCO ROAD.

THE APPLICANT IS PJ UH, LOZANO.

EXCUSE ME.

UH, AND THE REQUEST IS FOR A NEW SIGN.

SO THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED C3, WHICH IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.

IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY.

UM, AND IS SUBJECT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

HERE IS A STREET VIEW OF THE SITE.

THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED IN CIRCA 1876.

IT IS THE HENRY TY SMOKEHOUSE, UM, WHICH I DID NOT REALIZE UNTIL WORKING ON THIS.

SO I WAS VERY EXCITED.

UH, AND THIS ADDITION OVER HERE INTO THE REAR WAS ADDED, UM, BACK IN THE TWENTIES AS WELL.

OOPS, HERE WE GO.

HERE IS THE PROPOSED SIGN.

IT IS 15.25 SQUARE FEET.

IT IS WHITE AND RED COLOR SCHEME.

IT WILL BE AN ALUMINUM COMPOSITE MATERIAL AND THERE IS NO ILLUMINATION.

AND HERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S GONNA BE PLACED.

IT IS UTILIZING THE EXISTING POLES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

IT IS A LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING SIGN SITE.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS DOES MEET THE FOLLOWING UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.

IT IS METAL MATERIAL.

IT'S A MAXIMUM OF TWO TYPEFACE.

THERE'S NO ILLUMINATION AND IT IS EARTH TONE COLORS.

UH, WITH THAT, HERE ARE EMOTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

DO WE HAVE ANY EXEMPLARS OF OTHER, UM, UH, SIGNS IN THE AREA? IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE AREA IN COMPARISON OR NOT.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, READY FOR YOU TODAY.

I WILL SAY RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE CRESTMONT THAT WAS JUST APPROVED AND THAT WAS THAT GRAY BLUE.

UM, THERE IS A SIMILAR, UM, SIGN RIGHT HERE.

I BELIEVE THIS ONE HAS A LARGE POLE SIGN WITH A READER BOARD, A DIGITAL READER BOARD.

UM, THESE ONES ARE ALSO SOME POST AND PANEL COMING THROUGH THIS SIDE.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT COLOR SCHEMES THEY ARE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

IS THIS THEIR LOGO? YES.

AND THEIR APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, CAN WE GO, GO BACK TO THIS, THE ACTUAL SIGN? YES.

AND THEN IF YOU GO BACK, ONE IS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT WAS BEFORE.

SORRY.

ONE MORE.

THAT IS WHAT IT WAS, CORRECT? MM-HMM .

SO THEY KEPT THE SAME WHITE, THEY JUST PUT THEIR LOGO ON THE WHITE.

I THINK IT JUST LOOKS REALLY WHITE BECAUSE THE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

PICTURE THE PICTURE IS KIND OF DARKER MUGGY VERSUS THE FRESH WHITE SIGN PUT ON TOP OF IT WHEN IT ONE IS SUN AND ONE DOESN'T .

THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

LIKE, IS IT JUST MORE VIBRANT? 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE THE IMAGE VERSUS THIS PHOTO IN THE SHADOW, RIGHT? WELL, IT'S VERY CONTRASTY AND IT'S VERY BOLD.

LIKE ALL OF THE FLAMES ARE BOLD MM-HMM .

AND SO IT'S SO MUCH CONTRAST.

UM, IT'S WHAT YOU WANT FOR YOUTH OUTREACH, BUT IT'S VERY VISIBLE AND I THINK IT SERVES ITS PURPOSE.

OH YEAH.

THAT'S, YOU'RE GETTING, THAT'S DRIVING BY FAST.

YOU WILL SEE THAT AND KNOW WHAT IT IS.

EVERYBODY COMMISSIONERS CAN VOTE, PLEASE.

GO AHEAD.

UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE 4 0 1 EAST BLANCO ROAD AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAYNES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GRAPES.

NOW, EXCUSE ME, TO THE DISCUSSION ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

MOTION HAS PASSED FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE NEW SIGNED PERMIT LOCATED AT 4 0 1 EAST BLANCO ROAD.

SO, SO MOVING ON

[A. 2026-113 Proposed Medical Office Building located at 701 North Main Street.]

UM, FIRST ITEM IS 4 0 2 6 13.

IT'S FOR PROPOSED MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED AT 7 0 1 NORTH MAIN STREET.

WELL, WHILE THAT LOADS, UM, UH, AS THE CHAIR CHAIRMAN PENA SAID THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM, UH, WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT'S STILL VERY MUCH IN THE PRELIMINARY PHASE THAT HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED BY THE CITY FOR COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE CODES.

UM, HOWEVER, THEY DO WANT TO GET EARLY FEEDBACK FROM Y'ALL AND SHOW YOU WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THIS SITE.

UM, WITH THAT, I'D INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND PRESENT TO YOU.

IS THERE A MAP?

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IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE NURSING HOME NORTH.

BERNIE, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S DANIEL LONG WITH CHESNEY MORALES ARCHITECTS, UH, IN SAN ANTONIO.

I'LL BE THE PROJECT ARCHITECT FOR THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I WOULD START WITH ABOUT A YEAR AGO, UH, ORIGINALLY APPROACHED BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SITE FOR VIABILITY FOR A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING ON THIS SITE.

WE HAD A VERY IMPROMPTU KIND OF BIG DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ON THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE SITE.

UM, IT'S TWO LOTS REPL LAND USE STUDIES, ALL THIS JUST AS A GENERAL OVERVIEW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

UM, LOOKING AT THOSE, THE KIND OF THE, THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT INITIAL SET INITIAL MEETING WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE OUR ACCESS POINTS? WHAT ARE GONNA BE OUR GUIDELINES WITH THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, OF MAIN STREET? AND THEN WHAT'S KIND OF, WHAT'S THAT GONNA LEAD TO ARCHITECTURALLY FOR WHAT THAT BOAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE? UM, SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I THINK KIND OF LED US TO OUR INITIAL KIND OF SITE LAYOUTS AND PROPOSED USES WAS THE ADJACENT BUILDING TO THE NORTH IS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UM, ALONG MAIN STREET.

IT'S AN OLD RESIDENCE THAT'S KIND OF SET A LITTLE FAR BACK.

I DON'T RECALL THE NAME OF THE STRUCTURE.

DO YOU REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE HOUSE? IT'S JUST TO THE NORTH OF, OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL THE ACTUAL NAME OF IT, BUT, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER IT EITHER.

IT, IT WAS NOTED IN THAT VERY EARLY ON MEETING THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE IDEAL IF OUR BUILDING SETBACK WOULD MAINTAIN THAT ADJACENT BUILDING SETBACK.

AND SO AS WE STARTED DEVELOPING THE SITE, WE, WE KIND OF TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND KIND OF GOT THE BALL ROLLING.

AND SO THIS, THIS AS PART OF A DISCUSSION ITEM IS TO JUST, LET'S KIND OF DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AS WE START TO MOVE FORWARD, GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM, UM, LANDMARK COMMISSION AND, AND JUST SEE LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT'S KIND OF OUR NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD.

SO, UH, THIS IS JUST A SCHEMATIC RENDERING OF WHAT THE PROPOSED BUILDING WOULD BE.

UM, I THINK IF, IF WE LOOK AT THE PROPOSED SITE, WE ARE AT 7 0 1 NORTH MAINE, UM, JUST NORTH OF THE TOWN AND COUNTRY AND JUST KIND OF SOUTH OF WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUILDING IS.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE HISTORIC ZONE.

SO KIND OF THE, THE TWO ZONES OF THE, OF HISTORIC KIND OF MAIN STREET, YOU KIND OF THE SOUTH ZONE THAT'S VERY, VERY DENSE, NO KIND OF BUILDING SETBACKS AMONG THE FRONTAGE, CANOPY'S, OVERHANGING THE RIGHT OF WAY, A VERY WALKABLE KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE EACH BUILDING'S NOT A DESTINATION, IT'S KIND OF THE, THE NODE IS THE DESTINATION.

UM, AS YOU MOVE NORTH OF THE PLAZA, YOU GET A LITTLE MORE, MORE SPREAD OUT.

UM, SETBACKS VARY.

A LOT OF, OF THE RESIDENCES HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO OFFICE USES, BUT THEY'RE STILL VERY RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.

UM, HOUSES CONVERTED TO TO STRUCTURE.

SO THESE ARE JUST SOME SAMPLE IMAGES.

THIS IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WHAT, WHAT DOWNTOWN BURNING LOOKS LIKE.

THIS THE HISTORIC AREA.

UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE NORTHERN IMAGES, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE SETBACKS.

UM, AND, AND THE NEXT IMAGE WILL KIND OF SHOW WITH OUR SITE PLANS WHAT THOSE SETBACKS ARE.

BUT IT IS OF NOTE THAT MOST OF THESE BUILDINGS IN THIS, IN THIS FURTHER NORTH REGION THAT ARE SETBACK FURTHER DO INCLUDE PARKING IN FRONT, WHETHER IT'S HEAD AND PARKING OFF OF MAIN STREET OR, UM, AS THE CASE OF LIKE THE BANK THAT'S JUST SOUTH OF US.

IT'S A FULL ROW OF PARKING, UH, FULL DRIVE IN DOUBLE ROW OF PARKING KIND OF IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

SO, UM, KIND OF A LITTLE DIFFERENT AS FAR AS HOW THAT BUILDING PRESENTS ITSELF TO THE STREET VERSUS BEING FRONTING THE STREET VERSUS HAVING, YOU KNOW, PARKING AND KIND OF QUARANTINING IT OFF FROM KIND OF THE WALKABILITY OF MAIN STREET.

UM, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE SITE OPTION, UM, THIS PUSHES THE BUILDING, UM, HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE IS THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO THE NORTH AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY 90 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE CURB TO THE BUILDING FACE ITSELF.

SO THIS, THE OTHER ADJACENT STRUCTURES, UM, 70 FEET, 60 FEET, 35 FEET, 50 45.

UM, OUR IDEA WAS TO KIND OF TAKE AN AVERAGE OF THAT, OF THAT DISTANCE BACK, GET IT TO ABOUT 45 FEET, CREATE KIND OF A PLAZA IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, MAYBE NOT JUST THE SCALE OF, OF THIS BUILDING THAT'S KIND OF SET BACK OFF OF MAIN STREET, BUT GIVE YOURSELF SOME BUFFER THERE, BUT STILL PROMOTE IT AS A STREET FRONTAGE BUILDING, BUT STILL TRY TO RESPECT THE REST OF THE CHARACTER OF THAT DEVELOPMENT OF, OF MAIN STREET.

UM, AND NOT PUSH THIS BUILDING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE STREET FRONTAGE BLOCKING OFF THE KIND OF THE VIEW OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.

AND ALSO KIND OF THE, THE END CAP OF GUESS OF, OF THE HISTORIC PORTION OF, UM, IT IS ALSO OF NOTE AS AS, AS WE WANT TO PUSH THIS BUILDING FORWARD, YOU CAN KIND OF NOTE THIS CLUSTER OF TREES HERE.

UM, THAT'S A VERY GOOD EXISTING MO OF, OF OAK TREES.

AND SO AS WE, WE LOOK AT HOW WE'RE DEVELOPING THE SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WITH THE NEXT SITE PLAN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE LIKE ALL THAT EXTRA FRONT.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PUSHING THE BUILDING FORWARD JUST TO GET MORE PARKING TO MAKE THE BUILDING BIGGER.

WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE HERE, SAVE ANOTHER DOZEN OR SO TREES, PUSH THAT BUILDING FORWARD, STILL CREATE A PARK-LIKE SETTING KIND OF IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, BUT DO KIND OF RIGHT BY THE SITE SAVING A BUNCH OF ADDITIONAL TREES.

UM, IT IS OF NOTE THAT LIKE, THAT'S OUR THIRD LANDSCAPE ISLAND.

UM, AND SO PART OF THE PRESCRIPTIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING IS ONCE YOU HAVE THREE ROWS OF PARKING, YOU NEED TO HAVE A VEGETATIVE STRIP BETWEEN IT.

WE'RE USING THAT STRIP TO SAVE A BUNCH OF EXISTING TREES AND NOT JUST PLANTING, YOU KNOW, THREE INCH CALIBER TREES THAT ARE GONNA

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TAKE 20 YEARS TO KIND OF, TO KIND OF GROW UP.

SO, UM, SO THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS YOUR SECOND PLAN.

THIS, THERE'S NO, UH, LIKE IT LOOKS FURTHER BACK, I CAN TELL YOU WE, IT IS FURTHER BACK.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT.

SO WE, THERE'S NOTHING SET UP.

WE DEFINITELY HAVE A PREFERENCE OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

I DON'T THINK EITHER ONE WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO THE PROJECT, BUT I THINK ONE IS A, I THINK ONE IS A BETTER OPTION.

SO, UM, KIND OF THE, I LIKE THE ONE THAT'S FARTHER BACK.

YOU LIKE THE ONE THAT'S FARTHER BACK? WHAT FAR? I LIKE MORE GREENERY.

ON, ON.

THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.

I MEAN, SO THIS, THIS SETBACK IS ABOUT WHAT THE SETBACK IS FOR WHAT THIS BUILDING IS.

AND SO IF YOU NOTICE LIKE THE CITY HALL IS NOT ACCESSED FROM MAIN STREET, WHICH THIS BUILDING AS, AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS, IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CREATE AN ENTRY POINT OFF OF, OFF OF MAIN STREET AND IT SEEMS A LITTLE KIND OF SUPERFLUOUS IF WE'RE SO FAR BACK AND YOU'RE NOT REALLY INVITING SOMEONE TO COME OFF OF MAIN STREET.

YOU'RE REALLY HAVING IT BE KIND OF A, A, A BUILDING WITH PARKING KIND OF BEHIND IT.

RIGHT.

BUT IT'S A, IT'S A HOSPITAL, IT'S A MEDICAL HOSPITAL, MEDICAL, IT'S A PROPOSED MEDICAL OFFICE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ANY LIMITATIONS TO IT ONLY BEING MEDICAL OFFICE, BUT THERE IS, IT'S, IT'S BUILT FOR METHODIST.

UM, SO A LARGE ANCHOR TENANT WILL BE METHODIST, UM, HOSPITAL DOCTORS AND, AND PHYSICIANS TAKING THEIR PRACTICE PRACTICES THERE.

UM, I'M SORRY, WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED.

NO, NO, YOU GO AHEAD.

SO MEDICAL OFFICE PLAZA, I'M IN THE MEDICAL FIELD, SO I'M KIND OF LIKE THINKING NUMBERS.

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING IN AND OUTTA THAT PARKING LOT? HOW MANY, ANY IDEA OF HOW MANY OFFICE SUITES? UM, UH, DEDICATED APPRO, ROUGHLY THE GROUND FLOORS PROPOSED TO BE ONE SINGLE USER AND THAT WOULD BE METHODIST.

I, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE DONE ANY SPACE PLANNING FOR THEIR RIGHT, FOR THEIR GROUND FLOOR.

UM, IT IS THE, THE OWNER'S ALSO HERE.

IT WOULD, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH METHODS WOULD BE TAKING A PREDOMINANT GROUND FLOOR, IT'S STILL PROBABLY MULTIPLE PHYSICIANS WITHIN THAT SUITE.

AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, FOUR AND A HALF PER THOUSAND PARKING, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A, A HEALTHY AMOUNT OF PARKING FOR MEDICAL OFFICE.

WE TYPICALLY WOULD SHOOT FOR FIVE PER THOUSAND, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE URBAN DENSITY HERE.

UH, YOU KNOW, LAND USAGE, NOT, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A COSTCO PARKING LOT KIND OF BEHIND THE BUILDING, RIGHT.

SO WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT MELD BETWEEN WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PRACTICAL BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND USE OF THE SITE AND MARRIOT WITH THE, WITH THE PARKING AND WHAT'S PART OF THE DEVELOPER ZONE.

BECAUSE MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS NUMBER OF TENANTS AVERAGE, UM, TIME FOR APPOINTMENTS IS 15 MINUTES PER PATIENT.

SO YOU'VE GOT AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE COMING IN, FOUR PEOPLE ALREADY THERE, FOUR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA.

SO PROBABLY EIGHT VEHICLES PER TENANT.

AT A TIME.

SO, UH, ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THAT, UM, CONSIDERATION OF A DECELERATION LANE BECAUSE IT IS MAIN STREET TO AVOID ACCIDENTS OF PEOPLE TURNING IN AND OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.

UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT COME TO MIND.

I DO LOVE THE, THE MOCKUP OF THE GREENERY.

UM, AND I I LOVE THAT YOU SAID NOT WAITING, THAT'S ONE OF MY PET PEEVES.

UH, I KNOW THAT THE CITY ALLOWS FOR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CUT DOWN A TREE, YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT ONE IN ITS PLACE.

WELL, YOU KNOW, WHO WANTS SOMEONE MY AGE? I'M 58.

DO I WANNA WAIT 20 YEARS? I MIGHT NOT BE HERE IN 20 YEARS TO ENJOY, UM, THE MATURE TREE YOU WILL WITH THIS GREAT NEW MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING.

, LIKE THE SAWTOOTH MAPLES, THEY GROW FAST.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, AND THAT'S CONSIDERED A LOCAL NATIVE SPECIES.

SO, SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE EARLY ON, UH, CONCEPTS OF THE SITE WAS, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE SHARED, IT'S NOT A SHARED DRIVE.

NORTH STREET KIND OF DEAD ENDS INTO MAIN STREET.

AND THEN AS IT EXTENDS OVER TO TOWN AND COUNTRY, THAT IS THEIR PRIVATE DRIVE TO ACCESS THEIR SITE.

AND THEN THERE'S A CURB CUT JUST TO OUR NORTH, UH, FOR THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE THERE.

SO THE, THE FIRST CONCEPT WE HAD WERE WHERE CAN WE ACTUALLY GET ACCESS TO THE SITE? AND WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF BEHOLDEN TO THESE TWO CURB CUTS THAT ARE LESS THAN WHAT TXDOT WOULD LET YOU ACTUALLY PUT A NEW CURB COME ON.

SO, YOU KNOW, DO WE GO DEAD CENTER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE AND YOU'RE JUST CREATING ANOTHER PROBLEM.

SO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION AT NORTH STREET.

UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT A SUPER HEAVILY TRAVELED PORTION AT MAIN STREET, BUT THAT'S JUST INVITING, YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE.

SO THEY HAVE NEGOTIATED THE A, AN EASEMENT USE WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO USE THAT SHARED DRIVE THAT GOES TO TOWN AND COUNTRY.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE OFFSETTING TWO OR THREE OF THEIR PARALLEL SPOTS AND THEN CREATING A RIGHT TURN LANE, A LEFT TURN LANE, AND A, AND AN END POINT, UH, AND ENTRY LANE INTO THAT SITE.

UH, THE EARLY STUDIES HAVE NOT INDICATED THAT WE WOULD NEED TRAFFIC LIGHT OR DECELERATION LANE.

THE TURNING LANE I THINK ENDS JUST SOUTH OF THIS, BUT, UM, THE CIVIL ENGINEER HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT, ON THAT LAND STUDY FOR AND FOR THE TIA FOR, FOR THE SCOPE OF WORK.

OUTSTANDING.

BUILDING, UM, FITS IN VERY WELL WITH THE SURROUNDINGS.

AND THE, THE REASON I WAS THINKING OF ADEQUATE PARKING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE NUISANCE PARKING ON THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS MM-HMM .

FOR PEOPLE THAT, FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT DO ACTUALLY HAVE HOMES THERE.

SO YES, SIR.

SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PRETTY WELL THOUGHT OUT.

I LOVE THE MOCKUP OF THE

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THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW.

I MEAN, SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS, UM, JUST ON THE ACTUAL BUILDING ARCHITECTURE.

SO I MEAN, HIGH LIMITATIONS OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA UNDER 30 FEET FOR OUR BUILDING HEIGHT.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO LIMIT STRUCTURAL DEPTHS, UM, CHANGE HVAC SYSTEMS. SO WE'RE, WE'RE STILL MARRYING WITH THAT.

UM, GOING WITH MORE OF A TRIPARTITE TYPE ARCHITECTURE.

UM, SOME OF THE, THE FRAMING OF SOME OF THE OTHER KIND OF DOWNTOWN STRUCTURES DON'T NECESSARILY TRANSLATE TO BUILDINGS KIND OF THIS SCALE.

BUT, UM, VERY CLASSICAL, CLASSICAL, UM, I THINK YOU Y'ALL'S GUIDELINES HAVE THIS AS ITALIAN NET AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, SETTING, SETTING UP A MASONRY BASE COURSE FOR THE FRONT ELEVATION, ALSO FOR THE PREDOMINANT SOUTH ELEVATION AS YOU, AS YOU DRIVE UP NORTH ON ONTO MAIN STREET.

UM, IT IS A PROPOSED TILT WALL CONCRETE OFFICE BUILDING, BUT, UH, STILL MAINTAINING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FREEZE AND THE, YOU KNOW, HORIZONTAL COPINGS AND BANDINGS TO GIVE ITSELF, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST A, IT'S NOT A FLAT WAREHOUSE BUILDING.

SO, UM, ONE OTHER THOUGHT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION FOR OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, THEY'RE MM-HMM .

THEY'RE, UM, IN DEMAND HERE AND DWINDLING, UH, HOW CLOSE, UM, TO A LEAD CERTIFIED TYPE BUILDING.

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT PROBABLY GOING FOR LEAD ONE, BUT, UM, WE, WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED LEAD.

I MEAN, EVEN UNDER THE, I I DON'T RECALL WHAT Y'ALL'S CURRENT ENERGY CODE IS, IF IT'S IEC 2018 OR IF Y'ALL HAVE GONE TO 21 OR 24.

BUT, UM, JUST WATER CONSERVATION.

SO COLLECTING THE CONDENSATE FROM HVAC UNITS, STUFF LIKE THAT.

UH, POSSIBLY PROPOSING RECYCLED WATER FOR OUR ROOF DRAINS AND, AND ITEMS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, THAT, THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING INTO.

SAME THING FOR DARK SKIES.

UM, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO LIGHT THIS PARKING LOT UP BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A PREDOMINANT DAY USE.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IN THE WINTER THERE'LL BE SOME, BUT MOST MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE CLOSING BY 6, 6 30, 7 O'CLOCK MM-HMM .

SO THE, THE HOURS WON'T BE CONDUCIVE OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, A LARGE RESTAURANT OR A LARGE, YOU KNOW, A A MULTI-TENANT RETAIL BUILDING WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A, A, A VERY LIT PARKING LOT.

NOW I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

'CAUSE THESE, I KNOW I, I'M JUST VISUALIZING ALL OF THE COMMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, LIKE THROUGH THE BERNIE LIFE AND WHATNOT, THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA, THAT, THAT, THAT THE COMMUNITY USUALLY ASKS THE USUAL QUESTIONS.

COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT'S SET BACK TO 90? SO IS THE GREEN IN FRONT? THE GREEN IN FRONT? COULD BE GREEN.

IT COULD, I MEAN, IT COULD BE A MULTIPLE, SAME THING ON THE PERMEABLES.

SAME THING ON THE, ON THE OTHER OPTION.

LIKE THIS WAS A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE WOULD COME THROUGH AND MAYBE SET P AREAS, HAVE RAISED, RAISED PLANTING BEDS WITH A TREE TO PROVIDE SHADES, SOME, SOMEWHERE FOR SOMEONE TO SIT DOWN.

THAT SCALE GETS A LITTLE BIT LOST AS YOU GET 90 FEET AWAY AS OPPOSED TO LIKE BECOMING SOMEWHERE FOR SOMEONE CAN SIT DOWN AS OPPOSED TO A PARK ALMOST IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.

SO THE REAL USE OF THAT WAS DOES THIS BUILDING WANT TO BE A STREET FRONTED BUILDING OR DOES IT WANT TO BE SET BACK AND HAVE A BUFFER AND A ZONE KIND OF IN, IN BETWEEN IT? SO TO ME THIS BECOMES EVEN SET BACK, THIS 45 FEET, IT BECOMES KIND OF A LITTLE NODE IN AN AREA TO KIND OF END CAP THAT NORTH MAIN AREA.

UM, AND IT'S STILL, IT STILL KIND OF MEETS THE EYELINES AND SO, SO MAYBE THAT KIND OF INCENTIVIZES THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AS YOU KIND OF GO UP NORTH.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF VACANT LOTS THERE, BUT IT SETS KIND OF A NEW PARAMETER OF HAVING THIS QUASI STREET FRONTAGE, UM, THAT MATCHES THE CHARACTER OF THE REST, BUT NOT, OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THE SCALE OF WHAT THIS BUILDING IS COMPARED TO WHAT THE SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ARE.

KINDA LIKE THE MAGIC MILE, I THINK CLOSER.

SO IT'S EASY TO WALK TO MM-HMM .

AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO THE ROAD EQUALS PRESENCE, PEOPLE KNOW IT'S THERE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ALL NOW HAVE A COMPUTER IN OUR POCKET THAT TELLS US HOW TO GET TO PLACES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND THESE ARE GONNA BE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING TO GET TO THEIR APPOINTMENTS BUT NOT SET SO FAR BACK THAT THEY CAN'T FIND THE BUILDING.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ONE, LOOK AT ALL THE, THE ONLY SETBACK THAT IS AT 90 IS THAT HISTORICAL HOUSE.

ALL OF THE OTHER ONES ARE 35, 45 MM-HMM .

50.

THE 70 JUST NORTH OF THAT ACTUALLY HAS A PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE, IN FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE AS WELL TOO.

SO 60 OF IT IS, IS PAVEMENT FOR MM-HMM .

A DRIVE LANE AND TWO ROWS OF PARKING AND THE FIREHOUSE.

OF COURSE THAT'S 60.

LOT TO THE SOUTH IN FRONT OF TOWN AND COUNTRY.

YOU GOTTA YOUR FIRE TRUCK IN THERE.

, I LIKE THE FIRST ONE.

UM, SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER IS A

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UM, THERE IS A LARGE OPEN SPACE RIGHT NOW, UM, BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER LOT THAN THE ONE THEY'RE DEVELOPING TODAY.

SO IF THAT WAS EVER TO BE SUBDIVIDED AND DEVELOPED, UM, THE STRUCTURE MIGHT NEED TO BE CLOSER THAN 90 FEET.

AND HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE.

UM, OR IF, IF THEY CAN'T GET CLOSER THAN 90 FEET, THAT MIGHT BE ON UM, DEVELOPABLE.

UM, ANOTHER THING I'M SURE THEY WOULD LOVE SOME FEEDBACK ON TONIGHT AS WELL IS ANY SPECIFIC MATERIAL.

SORRY, CAN YOU NOT HEAR ME? ANY SPECIFIC MATERIALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THIS SITE AS WELL? LIKE IF YOU WANTED LIMESTONE VERSUS MASONRY OR IF YOU WANTED ROT IRON OR SOMETHING.

IT LOOKS LIKE LIMESTONE, LIKE WITH BRICK, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO SOME OF OUR OTHER BUILDINGS ON MAIN STREET.

RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE, AND IT, IT COULD VERY WELL ALSO BE A SMALLER SCALE CUT LINES OF FACE.

WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT BRICK RIGHT NOW, UM, GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILING BUT STILL DOING CASTSTONE CUT STONE FOR, UM, JAMS AND HEAD DETAILS FOR THAT CORNICE LINE THAT'S ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE A NICE E OR A NICE CORNICE PROFILE TO KIND OF CAP THAT, THAT BRICK PIECE.

SO IT'S A REALLY A MIXTURE OF, OF, OF LIMESTONE AND BRICK.

UM, COULD ALSO BE FOR THE COINS, FOR THE CORNER TREATMENTS OF THE MASONRY HAVE CUT LIMESTONE FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE FACES AS WELL FOR THE COINS.

KIND OF LIKE THE LOOK OF THE NEW SCHOOL DISTRICT'S BUILDING ON JOHNS ROAD.

IT'S A MIXTURE OF BRICK AND STONE.

KINDA GET TO THAT APPEAL.

I THINK YOU SAID THE OWNER WAS HERE.

I THINK HE WANTS TO COME FORWARD IF YOU WANT AND IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR, I'M IGNORING HIM.

IF YOU WANNA STATE YOUR NAME AND FEEL FREE TO SAY SORRY TO INTERRUPT GUYS.

MY NAME IS ADAM REED.

I'M WITH ESCARA CAPITAL.

I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT.

I'M ALSO A LICENSED ARCHITECT IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS PRACTICE FOR ABOUT 15, 20 YEARS.

DANIEL HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE SINCE WE'RE SHOWING TWO SITE PLANS.

ONE WHERE THE BUILDING IS PULLED CLOSER FORWARD AND ONE WHERE'S FURTHER BACK.

I WOULD SAY THE PREFERENCE, IF WE COULD LOOK AT IT AS LIKE KIND OF A HOLISTIC SITE, IS TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON HAVING IT CLOSER TO THE STREET.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ADVANTAGES IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

MOD TREES, THE, THE OAK TREES IN THE BACK, BEING ABLE TO INCORPORATE MORE LOW IMPACT STRATEGIES, NOT NECESSARILY LID OR, I'M SORRY, NOT NECESSARILY LEAD STRATEGIES, BUT SOME LOW IMPACT STRATEGIES TOWARDS RETAINING SOME OF THE GREENAGE BACK THERE.

BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE INTO EFFECT THE, UM, KINDA THE PRESERVATION PHILOSOPHY OF HISTORIC CONTEXT BY CONTRAST, NOT BY MIMICRY.

AND THIS IS A NEW STRUCTURE.

THIS IS NOT A RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A RENOVATION OF A STRUCTURE.

THE SEVEN 17 NORTH MAINE JUST NORTH OF US, THE SMALL RESIDENCE THAT'S BEEN CONVERTED TO OFFICE, HISTORIC STRUCTURE REPURPOSED TO SOMETHING NEW VERSUS TRYING TO MATCH THAT LINE BACK AND SAY THAT WE'RE PUTTING A LARGER CIVIC SCALE BUILDING AT THAT LINE.

WE DO THINK IT ACTUALLY BRINGS MORE PROMINENCE TO THE IDEA OF A RESIDENCE HAVING A PORCH, A YARD, AND A DOMICILE SIZE LIKE STRUCTURE, PUTTING THAT KIND OF BACK BEHIND IT.

SO WE THINK THAT ACTUALLY ON, ON THE OWNER SIDE, HAVING THE BUILDING CLOSER TO THE FRONT, GIVEN THE SCALE, THE AGE OF THIS BUILDING, BUT ALSO KIND OF THE CONTEXT OF WHAT IT WORKS AS IS A CIVIC PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE, IT HAS MORE PROMINENCE.

UM, AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE PUT THAT OUT THERE.

WE'RE SHOWING TWO OPTIONS.

THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE IF WE CAN GET THE BUILDING CLOSER FORWARD, WE'D STILL RETAIN SOME GREEN SPACE PLAZA SPACE OUT THERE OUT FRONT.

THE WASTED, I WOULD SAY WASTED THE SPACE OF HAVING IT FURTHER SET BACK FOR THE GREEN SHOWING ON THE PLAN THE GREEN SPACE UP FRONT.

IT REALLY COULD BE JUST EFFECTIVE IN THIS, YOU KNOW, VERSION SHOWING IT CLOSER THAN IT WOULD BE OTHERWISE.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT WE WEREN'T TRYING TO SAY IT'S A OR B, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE IF WE CAN GET IT CLOSER TO THE STREET EDGE, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW OBVIOUSLY WE CAN MAKE IT WORK WITH SOME LIKE PARKING AND TREE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, GYMNASTICS IN THE BACK IF WE DO.

OTHERWISE.

THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ADD TO IT.

SORRY, THIS, THIS SKETCH, THIS RENDERING IS ACTUALLY OF, OF THE CLOSER.

OF THE CLOSER VERSION AS WELL.

THAT'S AWESOME.

SO, SO YOU CAN SEE LIKE, AND, AND THIS IS ALL UP FOR LIKE, WHETHER THAT IS A HARD PAVED AREA, WHETHER THAT IS STILL DENSE VEGETATION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT IS STILL, UH, FOR THIS, I MEAN THIS WAS MEANT TO GET PEOPLE EXCITED FOR A NEW BUILDING COMING.

SO THIS IS NOT THIS, THIS IS DISCUSSION POINT, NOT A, NOT A, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING KIND OF THING.

SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT BEING CLOSER TO THE ROAD.

ME TOO.

I'M ALL FOR TREE PRESERVATION AND REDUCING THE HEAT MAP, WHICH I THINK THAT WOULD, UM, ACCOMPLISH AS WELL.

BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN, I MEAN IT SHOWS THAT HUGE CLUB OF TREES.

I MEAN IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE OF YEAH.

IT, THE DELTA GOES FROM LIKE EIGHT TREES SAVED TO I THINK AND YOU DON'T SEE 'EM ALL HERE 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF UNDERSTORY OF TREES UNDER, THERE'S THREE OR FOUR REALLY LARGE 30 INCH PLUS CALIBER OAK TREES.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF 4, 6 8 INCH TREES THAT ARE KIND OF WITHIN THOSE CANOPIES AS WELL TOO.

IT LOOKS, LOOKS NICE.

LOOKS,

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YEAH, DEFINITELY.

LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, IDEAS FOR THEM? LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR NEXT STEP WHEN IT COMES TO THAT? IT LOOKS NICE.

NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM IS 2 0 2 6 14 HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT.

YOU OKAY? OKAY.

AWESOME.

[B. 2026-114 Historic Preservation Grant Outreach.]

OUTREACH FLYERS.

YES.

UH, AT EACH OF YOUR STATIONS THIS EVENING, YOU GOT TWO DIFFERENT, UH, FLYERS.

ONE WOULD BE LIKE A HANDOUT AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE LIKE A POSTCARD SAMPLE.

SO AS PROMISED WE BROUGHT 'EM FORTH SO THAT WAY Y'ALL CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND PROVIDE US WITH SOME FEEDBACKS.

AND IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WRITE IT UP AND GIVE IT TO ME AFTER, OR UM, EMAIL IT TO ME, THAT'S FINE AS WELL.

WE CAN INCORPORATE CHANGES TO IT FOR SURE.

UM, UH, BUT BROUGHT IT FORTH SO WE CAN GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT AND START, UM, LOOKING OUT FOR IT AND START PUSHING IT OUT THERE AND PROMOTING THE GRANT AND GETTING PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

FOR THE SMALL FLYER, I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND CHANGING THE COLOR OF THE FONT.

TO MATCH THE LARGER ONE WHERE IT'S WHITE BACKGROUND IN THE ARROWS.

YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S TOO HARD.

IT'S VERY HARD TO READ.

YEAH, GOOD FEEDBACK.

THE COLORS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TOO.

THIS WAS PRINTED OFF OUR XEROX UPSTAIRS, UH, .

WE'LL GET 'EM DONE NICELY.

THE ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT THE FULL PAGE FLYER IS IT BREAKS DOWN, UH, WHAT THE PROJECT BUDGET WOULD BE AND HOW MUCH YOU WOULD GET, WHEREAS THE SMALL ONE DOES NOT DO THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S WANTING TO DO A PROJECT, THERE'S LIKE, OH, WELL LOOK WHAT I COULD GET IF I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT BREAKDOWN WOULD BE HELPFUL.

YES.

AND I SEE THE QR CODE, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE CITY WEBPAGE.

UM, THE ACTUAL YES.

PAGE.

IT'S NOT ON THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO IF YOU SCAN IT IN, IF YOU SCAN IT, IT WILL GO TO, UM, THE HLC WEBSITE.

UH, YEAH, , SO IT STILL WORKS ON THAT DIDN'T WORK , BUT, UH, ONCE WE GET THE, THE BLESSING, THE GREEN LIGHT ON THE FLYER, WE'LL INTEGRATE IT.

WE'LL WORK WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE AND GET IT SET UP.

SO IF THEY, IF THEY DID THE QR CODE ON THE SMALL ONE MM-HMM .

IT WOULD LINK IT TO WHERE THEY COULD SEE THAT LINK DOWN.

YEAH, IT WILL LINK IT.

RIGHT NOW IT LINKS TO THE WEBSITE AND SO IT WILL STILL LINK TO THE WEBSITE, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION THAT THAT'S ON THE FLYER AVAILABLE AS WELL AS WE HAVE THE APPLICATION FOR APPLYING FOR THE GRANT ONLINE AS WELL, SO THAT WAY THEY CAN TAKE A LOOK OF WHAT ALL IT TAKES TO DO IT AND SEE THE PROCESS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, UM, ACCESSIBLE IMMEDIATELY INSTEAD OF HAVING TO REACH OUT TO STAFF DURING, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFICE HOURS AND COORDINATING FOR THAT, PROVIDING THAT ACCESS, UM, TO PEOPLE ON THEIR FINGERTIPS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AIM FOR.

THAT LOOKS GOOD.

ARE WE GONNA TRY TO PRINT SOME OF THESE OUT AND HAND? I MEAN, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THIS OUT TOO? YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.

I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CANVASSING THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES.

UM, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SET THAT UP.

UH, I, I PERSONALLY THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER WITH A, UH, A COMMISSIONER TO GO AND APPROACH, UM, AND NOT JUST STAFF AND NOT JUST Y'ALL AND JUST DO IT AS A NICE PARTNERSHIP.

SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE'RE OUT OF CHRISTMAS SEASON AND YES.

NOT QUITE SUPER HOT YET, IT COULD BE A GREAT TIME TO DO IT.

A PHONE NUMBER I DON'T MIND HELPING CALL OR GO OUT, BUT I DON'T THINK CANVASSING IS NECESSARILY, UM, EFFECTIVE IF, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE BUSINESSES ACTUALLY SEE THE OWNER.

I HAVE A QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE A CHALLENGE.

UM, HOW QUICKLY CAN THIS BE STOOD UP? BECAUSE DIVA NIGHT IS NEXT WEEK.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRETTY QUICK.

I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY THIS THURSDAY.

I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO SAY IT'S, AND I DON'T MIND HELPING DO THIS, BUT ACTUALLY THE BUSINESSES MAY NOT EVEN BE OWNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS, SO THAT'S NOT GONNA BE, EVEN IF THEY HIT DIVA KNIGHT, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY THE OWNERS.

SO IT'S THEIR RENTING.

I THINK IT'S BETTER TO GO ONTO THE CAD WEBSITE MM-HMM .

FIND OUT WHO THE ACTUAL OWNERS ARE AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T EVEN REACH THEM.

THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, INVESTORS OR WHATEVER.

AND SO I THINK, I THINK A, A FASTER WAY WOULD BE TO GET ON THE CAD WEBSITE AND FIND OUT WHO OWNS WHAT MM-HMM .

AND MAIL IT TO 'EM.

OR IF THERE'S

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I, I HEAR THAT.

UM, BUT I ACTUALLY HAVE AN EXAMPLE.

I A, A BOUTIQUE THAT I SHOP AT, I TOLD THE, UM, OWNER OF THE BUSINESS THAT RENTS THERE AND SHE GOT SO EXCITED ABOUT IT, SHE APPROACHED HER OWNER WHO GOT THE OWNER EXCITED.

SO I'M WONDERING IF PERHAPS BOTH WAYS.

YEAH, I MEAN, BECAUSE THE, THE BUSINESS OWNER MIGHT BE SO EXCITED THAT THEY MIGHT TELL THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER LIKE, HEY, RIGHT, WE SHOULD DO THIS.

RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I THINK EVERY WAY HELPS, SO IT'S OKAY.

ANY OTHER FEEDBACK? I THINK IT'S JUST HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

FRANKIE.

I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE WHITE MM-HMM .

THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED FOR THE WORDING, BUT IF THE QR CODE, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A LITTLE BIT LESS COST IF YOU'RE CANVASSING ON THE SMALLER ONE VERSUS THE BIGGER ONE.

BUT AS LONG AS IT LINKS TO GO OVER, AS SHE MENTIONED, THE BREAKDOWN.

UM, THAT'S REALLY NICE.

AND THEN OF COURSE IT GOES IN THAT LEVEL OF WE ATTEMPTED TO LET THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE'S THIS PROGRAM TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY.

COMMENTS FROM LEGAL? ANY OTHER STAFF? UH, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

SO WE'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN HALFWAY, WHICH IS NICE.

ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY OTHER

[7. COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION/LEGAL COUNSEL/STAFF – No discussion or action may take place.]

UH, FIRST, HAPPY EASTER.

ENJOY YOUR CHOCOLATE .

I'LL, WHAT DID YOU SAY? HAPPY, HAPPY EASTER.

ENJOY YOUR CHOCOLATE .

UM, TWO, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW, UH, THAT SLO CREEK, UH, BREWING REACHED OUT, UH, TODAY ACTUALLY JUST THIS WEEK TO, TO DO AN INSPECTION FOR THEIR GRANT.

SO I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL OR ANN, OUR INTERN WAS SEND OUT AN EMAIL IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US ON THAT INSPECTION TO SEE THE WORK THAT THEY DID.

UM, IT WAS APPROVED BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2025.

THEY WERE DOING THE PAINTING, CHANGING THE DOORS AND THE WINDOWS.

SO I'LL SEND THAT OUT IF IN CASE ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US ON THAT ONE.

SO IT'S VERY EXCITING.

CAN I PROPOSE A TAKE ALONG OPTION SO THOSE OF US THAT WORK OUT OF TOWN, UM, MAYBE THROUGH FACETIME OR ZOOM THAT WE COULD KIND OF SEE LIKE REMOTELY THE SITE VISIT? WE CAN DO THAT.

WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU RATHER IT BE LIKE PICTURES AFTER THE FACT? I GET A LITTLE MOTION SICKNESS WHEN I'M LOOKING AT LIKE A MOVIE, SO, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE A LOT OF PHOTOS AND PROVIDE THAT EITHER WAY.

I, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO EITHER.

I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO A, A LIVE ZOOM CALL EITHER.

SO JUST TO HEAR THE FEEDBACK OF PEOPLE AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT THINGS, I THINK, I'M SURE YOU HAVE TO BE KIND OF DELICATE WITHOUT HAVING A ROLLING QUORUM.

CORRECT? WE DO.

SO THAT MIGHT BE AN ELEMENT TO SAY, OH, WELL WE ALSO, SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT'S MORE IN PERSON.

IT WOULD BE A ONE OFF, ONE INDIVIDUAL WOULDN'T BE TYPE OF ELEMENT.

LIKE THIS LAST ONE, ALL THE STAFF CAME AND IF ALL THE STAFF COMES, MAYBE ONE COULD JUST DO LIKE A VIDEO OF IT AND MM-HMM .

SEND A VIDEO OUT.

OH, THAT WOULD BE NICE.

YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.

NOT BE INFORMED THAT EVERYBODY COULD STILL TRUE STORY.

IT'S A GREAT INTERN PROJECT.

I JUST FEEL BAD THAT I CAN'T GO TO THE SITE.

VISIT THIS.