* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER – 5:30 PM] [00:00:04] GOOD EVENING. THERE'S AIN'T NOBODY HERE. AND WELCOME TO HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSIONER MEETING FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2006. THE TIME IS 5 33. I AM SALLY PENA, THE CHAIR. I'LL BE RESIDING TODAY'S MEETING. THE FIRST ITEM IS THE OATH OF OFFICE. WE ARE GONNA TABLE THIS AGAIN OR TABLE THIS FOR CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, CHAPMAN. SHE'S UNABLE TO MAKE IT AGAIN THIS MONTH, SO WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT WHEN SHE CAN MAKE IT. UM, [3. CONFLICT OF INTEREST] THE NEXT ITEM IS, ANYBODY, ANYBODY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OF THE, ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? NOPE. EVERYONE'S SHAKING THEIR HEAD NO. OKAY. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. THIS IS OPPORTUNITY FOR VISITORS, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, AND GUESTS TO ADDRESS THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION. AND THERE'S NO ONE HERE, BUT NO ONE ALSO SIGNED UP. SO WE'RE GONNA MEET ON MOVING GOOD MEETINGS. MOVING ON TO THE [5. CONSENT AGENDA] CONSENT AGENDA, UM, CONSENT AGENDA. ALL THE ITEMS LISTED ARE CONSIDERED IF ROUTINE AND MAY BE ENACTED WITH ONE MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION UNLESS THE COMMISSIONER OR CITIZEN REQUESTED, IN WHICH CASE THE ITEM WILL BE MOVED TO A REGULAR ORDER OF BUSINESS. ITEM 2 0 2 6 3 9 4. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING OF AUGUST 13TH, 2026. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UM, MINUTES FOR THE MEETING ON AUGUST 13TH, 2026. OKAY. I HAVE A COMMO. UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY DOESN'T MATTER ON THE SCREEN. IT SAYS THE FIRST ONE IS COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, BUT COMMISSIONER MEANS MADE THE MOTION. I GOT TO THE BUTTON FIRST AND SHE STARTED SPEAKING FIRST. . OH, I DIDN'T SEE THE, I DIDN'T SEE THE, THAT'S OKAY. THE BUTTON UP HERE. SORRY. DOES IT MATTER THAT IT SAYS BUTTON WISE WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHO SPOKE? I CAN WITHDRAW. YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION? HAVE YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT OKAY. AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE IT. ALRIGHT. SO I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE, UH, ITEM ON, UH, CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH, UH, CONSISTS OF APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM HLC AUGUST 13TH, 2026. SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GRAVES IF EVERYBODY CAN VOTE. OKAY. THE MINUTES FOR AUGUST 13TH ARE APPROVED. THANK YOU. SORRY TO CONFUSE EVERYBODY. . UM, MOVING ON TO THE [A. 2026-363 Hold a public hearing and consider a request for a demolition permit for the structure(s) located at 402 Ogrady Street.] REGULAR AGENDA. UM, FIRST ITEM, WE'LL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER THE REQUEST OF A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR THE STRUCTURE OR STRUCTURES LOCATED AT 4 0 2 O'GRADY STREET. I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO STAFF. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS BEN SIMMONS. I'M A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WE PRESENTING THIS ITEM. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURES LOCATED AT 4 0 2 OH GRADY STREET. UH, THE APPLICANT AND OWNERS ARE JESSE AND JOSE HOFFMAN. UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IS OLDER THAN 50 YEARS. THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED R TWO M, OUR MODERATE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY, UH, NOT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IS OLDER THAN 50 YEARS. AND THAT IS WHY IT NEEDS A CERTIFICATE. UH, IT'S CURRENTLY USED AS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. UM, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1958. UH, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED IF YOU DROVE BY OR LOOKED AT THE PICTURES IN THE AGENDA PACKET. THE DEMOLITION WORK FOR THIS PROJECT WAS STARTED, UH, WITHOUT A PERMIT OR HLC APPROVAL. SO THEY'RE GOING TO GET THAT APPROVAL OR DENIAL TONIGHT TO THEN CONTINUE ON WITH THE PROJECT. BECAUSE THIS WORK WAS STARTED, THOUGH, THERE'S LIMITED PHOTOS OF THE SITE PRIOR TO DEMOLITION. UM, WE ALSO CONTACTED THE LIBRARY MEMORY LAB WHO FOUND NO RECORD OF ANY HISTORICAL PEOPLE [00:05:01] OR EVENTS RELATED TO THE SITE. SO THIS IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS AN IMAGE WE WERE ABLE TO PULL OFFLINE OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THIS IS THE OTHER IMAGE WE WERE ABLE TO PULL OFFLINE THAT IS OF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AS IT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED. UH, WE DID PERFORM A SITE VISIT. IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES, WE'LL HAVE PICTURES OF HOW THE SITE IS. NOW YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WHAT REMAINS OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND THEN THIS IS FROM THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. UH, REGARDING CITIZEN INPUT FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING, 78 NOTIFICATIONS WERE MAILED TO PROPERTIES WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS WAS ALTERNATE NOTICED IN THE BERNIE STAR. WE RECEIVED EIGHT RESPONSES IN FAVOR OF THIS DEMOLITION. UH, KEY FINDINGS FROM STAFF ARE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT A HISTORIC LANDMARK AND DOES NOT HAVE ARCHITECTURAL, CULTURAL OR EDUCATIONAL VALUE. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE IF THE REQUEST MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF UDC SECTION TWO 11 AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. UH, WITH THAT I'LL YIELD FOR MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION AS WELL AS OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. I, I OH, GO AHEAD. UM, LET ME OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THAT. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN YOU CAN, UM, AND THIS IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 2 0 2 6 SLASH 3 6 3 IS NOW OPEN AT 5 39. OKAY. UM, NO ONE IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND NO ONE IS COMING. ASKED TO COME FORWARD. I THINK I SEE SOMEBODY SIGNING IN. MAYBE? YES. SOMEBODY SIGNING IN. THAT COULD BE THE OWNER. GOOD EVENING. HI. OH, UM, FOR THE, LET'S SEE, GRANT, OR ALREADY? PERFECT. YOU'RE JUST IN TIME. . DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ABOUT IT MA'AM? 'CAUSE WE ARE JUST OPENED UP PUBLIC SURE. HEARING FOR IT? SURE. IF YOU WANNA, YEAH, LET ME, LEMME TURN MY PHONE OFF. OKAY. SORRY, I JUST RAN AWAY. NO, YOU'RE FINE. THE MEETING'S MOVING PRETTY FAST TODAY, SO. OKAY. UM, I'M THE NEIGHBOR OF, UM, IF YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE. YES. UM, I'M LESLIE BROWN AND I LIVE AT 4 0 3 GRAHAM STREET. AND, UM, SO I BACK UP TO THAT, UH, PROPERTY AND, UM, WE DID CALL WHEN THE PROPERTY STARTED TO BE DEMOLISHED AND WE'RE TOLD THAT Y'ALL WERE DEALING WITH IT AND IT HAS BEEN A TRASH SITE FOR, GOSH, ALMOST TWO MONTHS NOW. AND, UM, IT'S NOT BEEN PLEASANT TO LIVE AROUND. AND I'M HOPING Y'ALL WILL CONSIDER, UM, HAVING IT DEMOLISHED EFFECTIVELY IN THE PROPER WAY BECAUSE THE INSULATION'S BEEN BLOWING AROUND. TRASH HAS BEEN BLOWING AROUND. IT'S JUST NOT BEEN A PLEASANT SITE TO BE AROUND. THERE'S BEEN ONE HOUSE FOR SALE NEXT DOOR THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S SUFFERED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THAT ALSO. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WALKING IN SINCE YOU CAN SEE THE DOOR ? ALL RIGHT. UM, AT THIS TIME I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 2 0 2 6 DASH 3 6 3. IT IS NOW CLOSED AT 5 42 COMMISSIONERS. NOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS. YOU, MA'AM. OKAY. SO I SEE THERE'S EIGHT, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS IN FAVOR. AND I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS IF IT WAS IN FAVOR POST, UH, ILLEGAL DEMOLITION AND THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SY THE SITE IS NOW, OR, YOU KNOW, VERSUS WHAT THE CONDITION THE HOME WAS IN PRIOR TO? UH, I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THE, UM, BEG FORGIVENESS PART OF THINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF FINES WILL BE IMPOSED BECAUSE OF THE, UM, VIOLATION, THE CODE VIOLATIONS OF DOING THE DEMOLITION. UM, BUT I DO, UH, YOU KNOW, FEEL FOR THE, UM, THE NEGATIVE EFFECT THAT'S GOING ON WITH THE NEIGHBORS THE WAY THIS SITE IS NOW. AND SO, ALTHOUGH I WANT TO SAY NO FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS, UM, DONE WITHOUT PERMISSION AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE FORGIVENESS LATER, UH, [00:10:01] AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE HERE FOR THE GREATER GOOD AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING OF THE WELLBEING OF THE NEIGHBORS. YES. SO NOT SURE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY CHIME IN FOR ON THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE COMMENTS I THINK THAT WE WERE GIVEN DID STATE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE FROM AFTERWARDS, THE DEMO STARTED. UM, SEVERAL OF THE COMMENTS DID SLIDE OF THOSE. THEY, I'M SORRY, DO WE HAVE A SLIDE OF THOSE COMMENTS THAT WE COULD READ? THERE'S NOT A SLIDE. I BELIEVE IT WAS IN YOUR PACKET. YEAH, IT WAS IN, IN YOUR PACKET. WE, UM, WE OBSCURED THE NAME AND THE ADDRESS YES. OF THE FEEDBACK, BUT PROVIDE WHAT THEY'VE WRITTEN. THIS WAS HAPPENED AFTER. YEAH. A LOT OF THE ONES THAT WERE IN THE PACKET. MM-HMM . SENT, YOU KNOW, AFTER DEMOLITION, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM. THE NOTICES WERE SENT AFTER THE DEMOLITION BEGAN BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN Y'ALL WERE AWARE OF, CORRECT, YES. THAT WAS THE APPLICANT, UM, COMING IN FOR THE PERMIT AND HLC TO GO THROUGH THE CORRECT PROCEDURE, UM, WHICH INVOLVED NOTICING THE NEIGHBORS AND TRYING TO CORRECT THAT. UH, WE, WE DO HAVE, UM, PENALTIES. WE DO HAVE EXTRA FEES FOR WORK THAT IS DONE, UH, WITHOUT A PERMIT. AND SO THOSE WILL BE APPLIED AS WELL. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. DO ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR MAKE A MOTION OR ANYTHING? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. UM, I'M, I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, UH, THAT WE ACCEPT THE FINDINGS AND APPROVE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT AS REQUESTED FOR, OH, I'M SORRY. FOR 4 0 2 GRADY. OH, GRADY STREET, . THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MINES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GRAVES IF EVERYBODY CAN VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION HAS PASSED FOR THE DEMOLITION AT 4 0 2 O GRADY STREET. ALRIGHT, IT'S NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA [B. 2026-371 Consider a certificate of appropriateness for sign permits(s) located at 911 South Main Street.] IS 2 0 2 6 DASH 3 71. CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ASSIGNED PERMIT LOCATED AT 9 1 1 SOUTH MAIN STREET. TURN OVER TO STAFF. THIS IS AGENDA ITEM FIVE B. UH, THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A SIGN PERMIT LOCATED AT 9 1 1 SOUTH MAIN STREET. THE APPLICANT IS KELLY MATTINGLY ON BEHALF OF CHRIS HICKS. UH, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED C TWO, WHICH IS OUR TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL. UH, IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS SUBJECT TO HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN IS A REPLACEMENT SIGN PANEL ON EXISTING MULTI-TENANT SIGN INDICATED BY THE RED ARROW ON THE SCREEN. UH, IT'LL FEATURE A MATCHING BLACK AND WHITE COLOR SCHEME. IT'LL BE APPROXIMATELY 66 INCHES WIDE BY 12 INCHES TALL, OR FIVE AND A HALF SQUARE FEET. IT'LL BE A METAL PANEL WITH DIGITALLY PRINTED LETTERING AND WILL BE NON ILLUMINATED. THIS IS A CLOSEUP OF THE PROPOSED SIGN DESIGN. UH, YOU CAN SEE A SINGLE TYPEFACE, TWO COLORS. UH, STAFF FINDS THAT THE SIGNS THE SIGN MEETS THE FOLLOWING UDC AND HISTORIC REQUIREMENTS. IT'S A METAL OR WOOD MATERIAL, UH, CONTAINS A MAXIMUM OF TWO TYPE FACES, IS NON ILLUMINATED AND IS MADE OF EARTH TONE COLORS. UH, WITH THAT I'LL YIELD WITH THESE MOTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION. I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD AND BLENDS IN WITH THE, I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YEAH. WITH ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE THERE. IT MATCHES. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE FINDINGS AND APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SIGNED PERMIT AT NINE 11 SOUTH MAIN STREET. OKAY. IT'S GOING PASS . I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER. MINES A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT. EVERYBODY VOTE OKAY. THE MOTION HAS PASSED FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SIGNED PERMIT AT 9 1 1 SOUTH MAIN STREET IS APPROVED. NEXT AGENDA ITEM [C. 2026-372 Consider a certificate of appropriateness for sign permits(s) located at 604 North Main Street.] IS 2 0 2 6 DASH 3 7 2. CONSIDERED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ASSIGNED [00:15:01] PERMIT OR PERMITS LOCATED AT 6 0 4 NORTH MAIN STREET. TURN OVER STAFF. THIS IS AGENDA ITEM FIVE C. IT'S A CERTIFICATE, A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW SIGN PERMIT AT 6 0 4 NORTH MAIN STREET. THE APPLICANT FOR THIS REQUEST IS AUSTIN NEVILLE, AND THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING IS DEBBIE LOWRY. THIS PROPERTY IS ZONE C TWO. IT'S OUR TRANSITIONAL COMMERCIAL, UH, DESIGNATION. IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEREFORE SUBJECT TO HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. UH, IT'S CURRENTLY USED AS A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING. UH, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS SITE. SO THERE'S TWO STRUCTURES. UH, ONE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1978 AND ONE IN 2014. UH, THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE BUILDINGS, HOWEVER, ONLY TO THE EXISTING MULTI-TENANT SIGN. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE, UH, SIGN AS IT EXISTS TODAY. IT FEATURES A GREEN AND A GOLD YELLOW COLOR SCHEME. UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE INDICATED MIDDLE PANEL AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW PANEL. UH, THIS REPLACEMENT SIGN PANEL WILL MATCH THE EXISTING COLOR SCHEME. IT'LL BE APPROXIMATELY 16 INCHES BY 72 INCHES OR EIGHT SQUARE FEET. IT'LL BE A WOOD PANEL AND IS NON ILLUMINATED. THIS IS A CLOSEUP OF THE PROPOSED SIGN DESIGN. I DID WANNA, UH, MENTION ON THIS SLIDE IN THE RENDERINGS. THE COLORS APPEAR TO BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. THE APPLICANT DID LET US KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE MATCHED TO WHAT IS ONSITE. IT'S JUST THE, UH, THE SOFTWARE STAFF FINDS THAT THE SIGN MEETS THE FOLLOWING UDC AND HISTORIC REQUIREMENTS. IT'S A METAL OR WOOD MATERIAL, UH, HAS A MAXIMUM OF TWO TYPEFACES, IS NOT ILLUMINATED AND HAS EARTH TONE COLORS. UH, WITH THAT I WILL YIELD FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION, . YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I WAS WONDERING AS WELL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR SIR, ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ACTION ITEM 2026 DASH 3 72 TO CONSIDER A CERTIFICATE. APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIGN PERMIT AS, EXCUSE ME, 6 0 4 NORTH MAIN STREET. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GRAVES, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WRIGHT. THE COMMISSIONERS CAN VOTE. THE MOTION HAS PASSED FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SIGNED PERMIT AT 6 0 4 NORTH MAIN STREET HAS BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS. MOVE ON [7. COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION/LEGAL COUNSEL/STAFF – No discussion or action may take place.] TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. UM, COMMENTS IN FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, LEGAL COUNSEL OR STAFF. JUST A REMINDER, NO DISCUSSION OR ACTIONS AT THIS TIME. JUST COMMENTS. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT STARTING OCTOBER ONE, WE'LL NO LONGER BE USING PERSONAL EMAILS. AND INSTEAD, YOUR CITY, OFFICIAL CITY EMAIL ONLY. THANK YOU. . GET YOUR THING. I GOT MINE FINALLY. . IT'S, IT'S UP PERMANENTLY ON MY TAB. I NEVER CLOSE IT. . AWESOME. ANYBODY ELSE? EVERYBODY'S GOOD. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER. I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 5 51. THANK Y'ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.