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[1. CALL TO ORDER – 6:00 PM]
6:00 PM ON SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2026 TO THE REGULAR CITY COUNCILMAN FOR THE CITY OF BERNIE, TEXAS.UH, WOULD YOU JOIN? WOULD YOU PLEASE JOIN ME IN PRAYER THIS EVENING? GRACIOUS AND LOVING GOD, WE'LL GIVE YOU THANKS FOR A GLORIOUS DAY AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND TO BE YOUR HANDS AND FEET.
LORD, OPEN UP OUR HEARTS AND MINDS FOR THIS COUNCIL AND OUR CONSTITUENTS, LORD, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE DIRECTION WHERE WE NEED TO LEAD.
AND, UH, LORD, JUST CONTINUE TO GUIDE OUR DECISIONS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MINDFUL OF, OF EVERYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND WE THINK ABOUT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
LORD, JUST CONTINUE TO GUIDE US, BE WITH OUR FAMILIES, BE WITH OUR COMMUNITY THIS WEEK.
JUST BE WITH THE AND, AND, AND WITH ALL THE BURNING THAT WE MIGHT JUST LOVE AND SERVE OUR NEIGHBORS IS WE LOVE AND SERVE YOU.
AND YOUR PRECIOUS SON'S NAME WE PRAY.
DID YOU JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE TO THE TEXAS FLAG? I PLEDGE.
ALLEGIANCE IS FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS FOR ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR, UNDER THE TEXAS FLAG P PLEDGE, BE TO SEE TEXAS ONE STATEMENT UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE.
MOVING ON TO GENERAL ITEM NUMBER TWO,
[2. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST]
CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THIS EVENING, GENTLEMEN? NO.
[3. 2026-408 RECOGNITION OF NATURAL GAS UTILITY FOR AMERICAN PUBLIC GAS ASSOCIATION (APGA) SAFETY AWARD]
TO GENERAL ITEM NUMBER 3, 20 26 DASH 4 0 8, RECOGNITION OF THE NATURAL GAS UTILITY FOR AMERICAN PUBLIC GAS ASSOCIATION SAFETY AWARD.TONIGHT, I'M VERY PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT OUR GAS UTILITY HAS RECEIVED THE 2025 AMERICAN PUBLIC GAS ASSOCIATION SAFETY AWARD FOR THE SIXTH CONSECUTIVE YEAR.
THIS RECOGNITION IS A TESTAMENT TO OUR TEAM'S STRONG CULTURE OF EMPLOYEE ENGAGEMENT AND ITS COMMITMENT TO A VALUE CENTRIC WORK CULTURE.
THE A PGA SAFETY CONTEST RECOGNIZES GAS SYSTEMS WITHIN EACH CATEGORY THAT ACHIEVED THE LOWEST NUMBER OF RECORDABLE INJURIES RELATIVE TO THE TOTAL EMPLOYEE HOURS WORKED.
THIS YEAR, NINE ORGANIZATIONS RECEIVED THE AWARD IN OUR CATEGORY, AND AGAIN, THE CITY OF BERNIE WAS THE ONLY CITY IN TEXAS AMONG THE RECIPIENTS.
THIS ACHIEVEMENT REFLECTS THE COMMITMENT, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DEDICATION OF OUR ENTIRE GAS UTILITY TEAM IN MAINTAINING A STRONG CULTURE OF SAFETY AND PROTECTING ONE ANOTHER.
OUR COMMUNITY AND THE CUSTOMERS THAT WE SERVE.
IF, UM, MEMBERS OF THE UTILITIES TEAM COULD COME UP, BE RECOGNIZED, I JUST WANNA SAY CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU TO OUR GAS UTILITY TEAM FOR THEIR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE AND SAFETY.
WE HAVE CRYSTAL BARRERA, SHE'S OUR RE REGULATORY SERVICES ADMINISTRATOR.
WE HAVE MICHAEL SHARP, HE'S OUR, UH, WATER SEWER GAS SUPERINTENDENT.
WE'VE GOT JOHN WALLACE, HE'S OUR GAS FOREMAN.
WE HAVE MANUEL PINEDO, HE'S OUR, UM, CREW CHIEF, UM, ON THE GAS.
AND THEN WE HAVE CHER SORE, OUR SERVICE WORKER.
WHO ELSE, WHO ELSE IS BACK THERE? OUR UTILITIES DIRECTOR, MIKE BRINKMAN, ANDREW WILKINSON, OUR UTILITIES ENGINEER.
TERRY NOLAN, OUR OPERATIONS, UH, ASSISTANT, UH, UTILITIES DIRECTOR.
AND, UM, WE'LL JUST, UH, ASK IF COUNSEL, WE TAKE A, A PHOTO WITH THE AWARD AND THE TEAM.
KNOW, WE'RE WHAT, TWO STAGES BEHIND HERE.
WATCH JUST SECOND PULL BACK SHIFT TO THIS SIDE.
ACTUALLY, CAN I HAVE YOU MOVE OVER HERE TO THIS SIDE NEXT TO ANDREW? YEAH.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA
[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS:]
ITEM FOUR, PUBLIC COMMENTS.UH, IN JUST A MOMENT, I'LL CALL UP EVERYONE THAT HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE LIST.
JUST A REMINDER, WHEN YOU GET TO THE PODIUM, YOU, UH, YOU WILL NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR FULL ADDRESS.
THEN ONCE YOU'VE DONE THAT, YOUR THREE MINUTES WILL BEGIN.
UM, AND ALSO A REMINDER THAT THE COUN COUNSEL CANNOT ENGAGE IN DIALECT BACK WITH YOU.
WE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DIRECT YOUR
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COMMENTS TO US, BUT WE CANNOT COMMENT BACK TO YOU.SO OUR FIRST SPEAKER THIS EVENING IS LISA ALBAN.
I JUST WANNA SAY I LOVE OUR
I LIVE AT 4 1 2 ENGLISH OAK CIRCLE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
AND TONIGHT'S AGENDA ITEM THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE PRESENTATION ON THE AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY SIMPLE SURVEILLANCE INFRASTRUCTURE ITEM, BUT I AM HERE TO REALLY TALK ABOUT WHO DECIDES HOW MUCH SURVEILLANCE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT BERNIE SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, POSSIBLY IS WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION SHOULD THE DECISION MAKERS GET IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT EVERYBODY IN HERE.
PAGE ONE OF THE CITY AGENDA ITEM SUMMARY THAT, UM, WAS POSTED, UH, BEFORE, DESCRIBES FLOCK AS A LICENSE PLATE READER, CAMERA AND OPERATING SYSTEM SOFTWARE.
AND THEN ON PAGE THREE OF THAT AGENDA SUMMARY, IT SAYS, THE CITY CALLS IT A LICENSE PLATE READER AGREEMENT, WHICH GOES ALONG WITH THE AGENDA FOR THE DAY.
SO, IS FLOCK JUST AN A LPR COMPANY? WHAT ARE WE BUYING INTO AND WHAT EXACTLY IS FLOCK? SO I DECIDED TO READ THE PATENT.
SO THE PATENT FOR FLOCK IS INTERESTING.
IT'S A, THE TITLE OF IT IS A SYSTEM AND METHOD FOR OBJECT BASED QUERY OF VIDEO CONTENT CAPTURED BY DYNAMIC SURVEILLANCE NETWORK.
UH, THE PATENT EXPLICITLY DESCRIBES OBJECTS AS PEOPLE, AND IT CLASSIFIES THEM BY CHARACTERISTICS INCLUDING SEX, RACE, CLOTHING, HEIGHT, WEIGHT, FACIAL RECOGNITION.
THE PATENT ALSO CREATES TIMELINES, AND IT SAYS A TIMELINE CAN QUOTE THIS IS FROM THEIR PATENT, MAY THEN CREATE PROBABLE CAUSE FOR QUESTIONING THE DRIVER, CREATE PROBABLE CAUSE.
WELL, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, PROBABLE CAUSE SHOULD NOT BE CREATED.
IT SHOULD GROW OUT OF EVIDENCE POINTING TOWARDS SOMEONE AND INVESTIGATE, INVESTIGATING A CRIME BACKWARDS.
UM, AFTER SOMETHING'S HAPPENED, A CHILD GOES MISSING, A CRIME'S BEEN COMMITTED.
THAT IS EXCELLENT POLICE WORK.
BUT WITH THIS MODEL THAT WE'VE SIGNED INTO, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
THIS PATENT PROVIDES SURVEILLANCE ON EVERYONE.
IT STORES IT BEFORE ANYTHING BAD HAS HAPPENED.
THAT'S ALSO FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON AS CITIZENS AND GOVERNMENT.
NOW ONTO AXON PAGE, ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS SAYS THE CITY CALLS AXON AND INTEGRATED PUBLIC SAFETY TECHNOLOGY AGREEMENT.
BUT THEN ON PAGE THREE, IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY THAT AXON IS NOT A LICENSE PLATE READER CONTRACT.
OKAY, SO WHY IS AXON A BODY CAMERA AND AN IN-CAR CAMERA, A TASER COMPANY INCLUDED IN THE CITY'S PRESENTATION ON AN A OR PR, UH, PROGRAM? I, I DON'T KNOW WHY.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE OF FUSS.
FUSS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD AT ALL IN THIS DISCUSSION.
SO I'M LIKE, WHAT'S FUSS? WELL, AXON ACQUIRED FUSS IN 2024, AND BERNIE'S AXON PACKAGE SPECIFICALLY INCLUDES FUSS TECHNOLOGY.
SO I READ THAT PATENT ALSO, AND THAT PATENT DESCRIBES POLICE AS ATTEMPTING TO TRACK A MOVING VEHICLE OR PERSON THROUGH A CAMERA NETWORK.
A PERSON THROUGH A NETWORK FOR FUSS IS NOT A CAMERA FUSS IS DESIGNED TO BRING CAMERAS AND DATA SOURCES TOGETHER INTO ONE COMMON SYSTEM.
SO THIS IS WAY BIGGER THAN WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, A LICENSE PLATE, UH, AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT BERNIE IS CURRENTLY USING ALL OF THESE CAPABILITIES, BUT HERE'S THE GOVERNANCE ISSUE.
THE CITY SAYS FACIAL RECOGNITION REQUIRES EXPRESS COUNSEL, UH, APPROVAL, BUT OTHER NEW CAPABILITIES THAT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAY IT ANYWHERE.
IN THERE IT SAYS THE POLICE CHIEF, A LEGAL REVIEW AND A NOTICE TO THE CITY MANAGER.
THAT MEANS THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY DECISIONS DON'T COME BETWEEN OR BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
AND WHAT EXISTS TODAY AND WHAT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE CAN SUPPORT TOMORROW ARE NOT THE SAME THING BECAUSE COUNCILS CHANGE.
AWESOME POLICE CHIEFS CHANGE, SOFTWARE CHANGES, AND THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE CAPABILITIES ARE IN PUBLIC BEFORE THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE AND NOT AFTER.
I'LL JUST SAY GREG E THAT'S FINE.
UM, SO, UH, IT'S GREG EISER, E-I-S-E-R-T.
IT'S 2 7 6 0 7 HERITAGE PASS IN BERNIE.
UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE LLPR SYSTEM AS WELL, UM, BUT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
I, I DID 20 YEARS AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
WE USED THE LPR SYSTEMS ALL THE TIME.
UM, I PERSONALLY ME INVESTIGATED TWO SEPARATE HOMICIDES THAT WERE SOLVED BY LPR SYSTEMS. UM, ONE OF 'EM, WE HAD THE SUSPECT IN CUSTODY WITHIN 24 HOURS.
IT WAS A SHOOTING AT A LOCAL HOTEL.
WE HAD ALL OF OUR LITTLE LEAGUE KIDS FROM OUR OUTSIDE TOURNAMENT FROM ALL OVER THE, THE AREA COMING TO STAY AT THE HOTEL.
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AND THIS GUY SHOT AND KILLED SOMEBODY IN THE HOTEL.WE CAPTURED HIM ON THE LPR, LEAVING THE SYSTEM, LEAVING THE CITY, AND WE WERE ABLE TO TRACK HIM BACK AND HAVE HIM IN CUSTODY WITHIN 24 HOURS.
I HAD ANOTHER HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION THAT I INVESTIGATED WHERE THE SUBJECT'S LICENSE PLATE WAS CAUGHT COMING OFF THE STREET FOUR MINUTES AFTER THE HOMICIDE.
UM, THAT ALSO LED TO A FIRST DEGREE MURDER ARREST.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT SOLVING CRIMES AFTERWARDS.
UH, WE ALSO USED THEM PROACTIVELY.
WE HAD A STRING REF, UM, STRING OF THEFTS INVOLVING CATALYTIC CONVERTERS.
UH, WE KNEW WHO THE SUSPECTS WERE, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PROBABLE CAUSE TO DETAIN THEM OR ARREST THEM BASED ON THOSE CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFTS.
BUT THE SUSPECT WAS ON PROBATION WITH SEARCH.
SO AS THE VEHICLE COMES INTO THE, TO THE CITY, HITS THE LPR SYSTEM AS A POSSIBLE LEAD IN INVESTIGATION FOR THESE CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFTS.
NOW, YOU DO HAVE TO ESTABLISH YOUR OWN PROBABLE CAUSE TO INITIATE A VEHICLE STOP, WHICH I DID.
I PULLED UP NEXT TO THE VEHICLE.
I COULD SEE THE DRIVER WAS THE PERSON.
IN FACT, ON PROBATION, I INITIATED A TRAFFIC STOP.
AND WITHIN THAT VEHICLE, WE RECOVERED FIVE STOLEN, CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFTS, CATALYTIC CONVERTERS THAT HAVE BEEN STOLEN WITHIN THE LAST HOUR AND A HALF JUST OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS AS HE WAS COMING INTO THE CITY.
HE ALSO HAD ALL THE TOOLS WITH HIM TO STEAL MORE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AND POTENTIALLY, UM, CREATING MORE VICTIMS WITHIN OUR CITY.
THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF BEING PROACTIVE.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE TO, YOU DO HAVE TO ESTABLISH YOUR OWN PROBABLE CAUSE TO INITIATE A TRAFFIC STOP.
THIS IS MERELY JUST AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD TO HELP YOU KIND OF DIRECT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE HAD ANOTHER, ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WHO HAD, UM, ALZHEIMER'S.
HE WAS A SILVER ALERT WAS ISSUED.
HE WAS, HE WAS LIVED THREE AND A HALF HOURS AWAY FROM THE CITY.
HE HAD NO IDEA WHAT CITY HE WAS EVEN IN.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF THE FAMILY.
THE FAMILY CAME OUT, UM, TOOK THE GENTLEMAN IN HIS CAR BACK.
UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF HIM FROM THERE.
SO NOT ONLY DOES IT HELP SOLVE CRIMES, BUT ALSO HELPS PREVENT THEM.
AND IT'S ALSO USED TO HELP PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF JUST CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES TO HELP PEOPLE, UM, RETURN THEM TO THEIR FAMILIES WHEN THEY GO MISSING.
SO FOR THAT, I REALLY DO HOPE YOU GUYS CONSIDER TO KEEP THE LPR SYSTEMS IN THE CITY.
THERE'S A HUGE REASON WHY WE MOVED HERE IS TO KEEP OUR FAMILIES SAFE, AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF BEING ABLE TO, TO HELP THE POLICE, POLICE DEPARTMENT DO THEIR INVESTIGATIONS.
ALRIGHT, NOBODY ELSE HAS, UH, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
IF ANYBODY ELSE THAT CAME IN LATE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, YOU CAN COME GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND, AND YOU'LL HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES AT THE PODIUM.
I LIVE AT 1 2 2 LAUREN LANE HERE IN BURNEY.
UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY'S PROVIDING A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM.
I ALSO APPRECIATE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND UNDERSTAND THAT TECHNOLOGY CAN BE USEFUL IN LEGITIMATE INVESTIGATIONS.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN BATEMAN FOR RETURNING MY EMAIL.
IT WAS SUPER QUICK TODAY, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I FIGURED YOU'D SEE IT LATER, SO THANK YOU.
UM, BUT MY CONCERN IS NOT WHETHER AN A LPR HAS EVER HELPED SOLVE A CRIME.
WE KNOW THAT THEY HELP SOLVE SOME CRIMES.
UM, MY CONCERN IS THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION BEING COLLECTED ON ORDINARY CITIZENS WHO ARE NOT SUSPECTED OF ANY CRIME.
WHO CAN ACCESS THAT INFORMATION AND WHAT SAFEGUARDS WILL EXIST FIVE OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
IN ONE MONTH, THIS SYSTEM RECORDED MORE THAN 2 MILLION PLATE READS FROM OVER 264,000 UNIQUE PLATES.
TODAY, 547 TEXAS ORGANIZATIONS CAN SEARCH BERNIE DATA.
I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT I HOPE COUNSEL WILL ADDRESS FOR US.
FIRST, WHICH OF THESE PROTECTIONS WE ARE HEARING ABOUT TONIGHT ACTUALLY REQUIRE A FUTURE COUNCIL VOTE TO CHANGE? COULD A FUTURE ADMINISTRATION CHANGE THE 30 DAY RETENTION PERIOD, SHARING LIMITS AUDIT REQUIREMENTS OR PERMITTED USES WITHOUT COMING BACK BEFORE THE PUBLIC? SECOND, WHAT EXACTLY CONSTITUTES A CITY DECISION TO EXPAND DATA SHARING? IS IT THE PUBLIC COUNCIL VOTE OR CAN IT BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY? THIRD, WHEN ANOTHER AGENCY SEARCHES OR EXPORTS BERNIE DATA, WHAT CONTROL DOES BERNIE RETAIN OVER THAT INFORMATION? AFTERWARD, THE CITY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT ITS 30 DAY PURGE CANNOT DELETE A COPY ANOTHER AGENCY HAS ALREADY PLACED IN ITS OWN CASE FILE.
FOURTH, WHY ARE ALL SEARCHES NOT SUBJECT TO AUTOMATED AUDITING FOR UNUSUAL OR INAPPROPRIATE ACTIVITY INSTEAD OF RELYING PRIMARILY ON PERIODIC SAMPLING? FIFTH, WHAT EXPANSION OF THIS TECHNOLOGY CAN OCCUR WITHOUT ANOTHER COUNCIL VOTE?
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ADDITIONAL CAMERAS, ADDITIONAL A LPR SOFTWARE, NEW AI CAPABILITIES OR NEW SHARING ARRANGEMENTS.PRIVACY PROTECTION SHOULD NOT DEPEND SIMPLY ON WHO HAPPENS TO BE OUR POLICE CHIEF, OUR CITY MANAGER, A VENDOR OR COUNSEL AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT BEFORE THIS PROGRAM EXPANDS ANY FURTHER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CLEAR ENFORCEABLE LIMITS THAT CANNOT EASILY BE CHANGED WITHOUT PUBLIC NOTICE AND A PUBLIC VOTE.
AND IF I HAD ONE BIG QUESTION THAT COULD BE ANSWERED TONIGHT, IT WOULD BE PLEASE JUST TELL US SPECIFICALLY WHICH PROTECTIONS GOVERNING APRS TODAY CAN BE CHANGED WITHOUT A PUBLIC VOTE OF CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING RETENTION PERIODS, DATA SHARING, AUDITING, AUTHORIZED USES, NUMBER OF CAMERAS, AND NEW SOFTWARE CAPABILITIES.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE,
[5. CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS FIVE A TO FIVE C? MAYOR? YES, I DO.UM, NOT, I DON'T NEED TO PULL ANYTHING.
I JUST TWO COMMENTS ON ITEM B.
UM, THERE ARE SOME, THIS IS CALLING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED, UM, FROM P AND Z AND SO FORTH, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S DISCUSSION GOING ON BETWEEN, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS GROUP AND OUR PEOPLE.
AND IT HAS TO DO WITH A BILLBOARD THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE COME DOWN.
AND SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS ITSELF OUT.
BUT THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE SECOND ITEM I JUST WANNA COMMENT ON, UH, NO PROBLEM THERE.
HOWEVER, WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE AT THE OCTOBER 13TH MEETING IF WE, IF WE SO DESIRE TO NOMINATE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE.
BECAUSE AT, AT SOME POINT, MAYBE BEN, YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT THE RULES HAVE CHANGED APPARENTLY ON THAT.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE APPRAISAL BOARD CORRECT.
THAT RECENTLY CAME TO OUR ATTENTION WITHIN THE LAST MONTH OF ALL THE GOVERNING ENTITIES ARE, ARE HAVING TO RENOMINATE A CAN, A, A SLATE OF, UH, BOARD REPRESENTATIVES.
IT'S GONNA BE REDUCED FROM SEVEN DOWN TO FIVE.
YOU MIGHT RECALL WE MADE THAT NOMIN OUR NOMINATION BACK IN THE SUMMER WHERE I'M BRINGING FORWARD THAT SAME NOMINATION.
WE COULD, WE CAN BRING FORWARD 10 NAMES IF WE LIKE.
THERE'S ONLY FIVE POSITIONS LATER ON.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME CAST OUR VOTES AS A COUNCIL ON WHO WE WANT TO REPRESENT US OR REPRESENT THE WHOLE BOARD.
BUT, UM, BUT YES, I WENT AHEAD AND PUT THIS HERE TODAY.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER NAMES YOU'D LIKE ME TO BRING FORWARD, LET ME KNOW.
I'LL BRING IT FORWARD ON THE NEXT, WE HAVE TO ACT BY RESOLUTION BEFORE THE 15TH OF OCTOBER.
ONE, ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION, THE FIVE SEATS, ARE THEY AT RANDOM BASED ON THE VOTE OR DOES THE CITY GUARANTEED AT LEAST ONE SEAT? NO, WE'RE NOT GUARANTEED ANY SEAT.
WE'RE G WE HAVE THE OPTION TO NOMINATE AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE WANT.
THERE'S ONLY FIVE SPOTS WE CAN NOMINATE 10 PEOPLE IF WE'D LIKE.
THEN WE HAVE SO MANY VOTES THAT WE CAN CAST TOWARDS HOW, YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION LATER.
MAYOR, I, I WOULD, ANYTHING ELSE TO, TO YOUR POINT, IF THERE ARE OTHER NOMINEES YOU'D LIKE, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL BRING THAT FORWARD BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
I MOVE TO PROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN LEWISON, PLEASE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO OUR REGULAR CITY AGENDA
[6.A. 2026-421 PRESENTATION ON AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM.]
ITEMS, UH, SIX A PRESENTATION, PUBLIC HEARINGS IN ORDINANCES 2026 DASH 4 21.PRESENTATIONS OF THE AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM PRESENTING.
UH, CHIEF PEREZ, CHIEF, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, MAYOR, UH, STAFFING GUEST.
SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO OVER, UH, MORE DETAILS.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, AND HOPEFULLY THIS PRESENTATION WON'T ANSWER A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS JUST, UH, ASKED ABOUT STRATEGY MAP.
SO THIS IS HOW THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC ALIGNS WITH OUR STRATEGY MAP ON AS FAR AS THE DATA AND THE DR THE DECISION TO BRING IN LPRS IN GENERAL.
I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, UH, PROPERTY CRIME HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF OUR BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH.
AND THOSE ARE YOUR CAR BURGLARIES AND THEFT OF MOTOR VEHICLES.
UH, AS THE CITY HAS CONTINUED TO GROW THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
UH, PEOPLE MOVING IN, THE CONSTRUCTION, EVERYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? WE, WE JUST STARTED SEEING MORE VEHICLE BURGLARIES AND ALL THAT.
AND SO THE DECISION WAS MADE AS WHAT DO WE DO TO DETER THAT AND MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF THOSE THEFTS AND BURGLARIES.
AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REASON WHY A LOT OF THIS STUFF WAS BROUGHT IN.
SO WHAT IS AN LPR? IT OBVIOUSLY STANDS FOR AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION.
UH, FROM HERE ON OUT, I'LL JUST BE USING LPR JUST FOR SHORT.
UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HOT TOPIC RIGHT NOW THAT'S GOING ON ACROSS SOCIAL MEDIA, ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
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AND SO, BUT IT'S NOT A NEW TECHNOLOGY.THIS TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN AROUND FOR JUST DOING RESEARCH MORE THAN 50 YEARS, RIGHT? THIS STARTED OUT, UH, IN THE UK IT STARTED GOING OUT ON, UH, TALL ROADS, AIRPORTS, UH, NOW YOU'RE SEEING 'EM IN PARKING GARAGES, UH, REPO VEHICLES.
UH, THE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR CARS WHEN PEOPLE DON'T PAY, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR BILLS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR YEARS.
UH, HOAS ARE NOW STARTING TO PUT 'EM IN FOR THOSE REASONS THAT I MENTIONED, WHICH IS THOSE BURGLARIES AND THEFTS COMING INTO THEIR COMMUNITIES.
AND OF COURSE, SHOPPING CENTERS, YOU SEE 'EM AS CLOSE TO OUR HOME DEPOTS.
AND IF YOU GO TO LATA, UH, RIM AREA, UH, YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THESE PUT IN THERE AND ALL BECAUSE OF WHY THOSE WERE, A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTY CRIMES ARE HAPPENING, RIGHT? AND SO, AS, UH, ONE OF OUR GENTLEMEN SAID, UH, TO HELP CATCH THOSE CRIMINALS TO DO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING.
SO, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT NEW TO TECHNOLOGY, TO OUR AREA AS WELL.
UH, WE INTRODUCED THIS AND IN, BACK IN OCTOBER, 2022, ONCE IT WAS APPROVED, IT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN AUGUST OF 23.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT IS THE LPR, THAT'S THE BIG THING.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A CAMERA, RIGHT? IT CAPTURES BASICALLY WHAT YOU SEE ON THE, THE TOP, RIGHT? THAT PICTURE, THAT'S ONE OF OUR TAHOES, IT CAPTURES A STILL IMAGE.
IT'S A PICTURE, IT'S NOT A VIDEO.
UM, IT READS LICENSE PLATES, AND IT LOOKS AT DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS ASSIGNED TO THAT VEHICLE.
IN THIS SITUATION, IT'D PROBABLY HAVE THE LIGHT BAR, THE GRAPHICS AND ALL THAT MAKE MAKES THAT VEHICLE STAND OUT.
UH, AND KEEP, JUST REMEMBER THAT PICTURE, BECAUSE THAT IS THE IMAGE THAT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT SHARING AND STUFF, THAT'S KIND OF THE SAME PICTURE THAT, UH, THESE PEOPLE GET FOR THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A DATE AND TIMES STAMP LOCATION WHEN IT GOES THROUGH THAT, UH, CAMERA, THAT LPR SYSTEM AND THE PEOPLE THAT CAN AUTHORIZE THAT IS LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY, RIGHT? SO THE MEMBERS OF THE BURNING POLICE DEPARTMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT IN THERE.
UM, HOW DOES IT WORK? SO OBVIOUSLY, UH, WHEREVER THAT LPR IS, IS POSITIONED OR STATIONED AT THE VEHICLE PASSES IT, IT CAPTURES THAT DATA, RIGHT? THAT IMAGE THAT YOU SEE, AND THEN THAT DATA IS COLLECTED AND PUT ON THAT SERVER, RIGHT? UH, WHERE, UH, THE CLOUD BASICALLY IS WHERE IT'S BEING STORED, UH, IN THE EVENT A CRIME IS REPORTED, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT USING IT PROACTIVELY, JUST SITTING THERE LOOKING AT EVERY CAR THAT GOES BY, UH, SAYING, OH, LET'S STOP THAT PERSON.
WE'RE USING IT FOR WHEN CRIMES ARE REPORTED TO US, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CRIME IS, EITHER A HOMICIDE, A KIDNAPPING, A SHOPLIFTING CASE, A HIT AND RUN.
WE GET A LOT OF HIT AND RUN CALLS HERE IN THE CITY.
UM, AND SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF INFORMATION THAT IF WE HAVE A REASON TO GO LOOK FOR THAT VEHICLE, WE CAN THEN GO AND DO A QUERY THROUGH THAT DATABASE AND LOOK FOR THAT INFORMATION.
UM, THE AUTH, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL DONE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR THAT.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT'S DESCRIBES THE VEHICLE, THE EVENTS, AND IT'S NOT A CONTINUOUS TRACKING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HEARD COMMENTS OF, WELL, IT'S TRACKING OF WHERE I GO TO SCHOOL, MY KIDS, MY HOUSE, MY SCHOOL, WALMART, HEB.
WE'RE NOT TRACKING THAT STUFF, RIGHT? THIS IS A FIXED LOCATION.
IT'S WHEN YOU'RE GOING BY AND DOING THAT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A VEHICLE PASSES THROUGH AND THERE'S A HIT? SO THE LIST IS BASICALLY CONFIGURED.
UH, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS, RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
IF WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT INVESTIGATION, SAY A BURGLARY, UH, AND WE KNOW THEY WERE DRIVING US A PARTICULAR CAR, THAT'S HOW WE PUT THAT INFORMATION IN, IN A HOT LIST, RIGHT? AN ALERT.
UH, WE CAN ALSO, IT ALSO SHARES THE NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION CENTER DATABASE.
SO THIS IS WHAT EVERYTHING DOES ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR ANYBODY WHO'S WANTED FOR MURDER.
STOLEN VEHICLES, UH, AMBER ALERTS, SILVER ALERTS THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THOSE ARE ALL STUFF PUT IN OUR SYSTEM THAT WE'VE HAD FOR YEARS, RIGHT? THAT'S HOW WE KNOW THAT THESE VEHICLES WERE STOLEN OR NOT.
UH, SO ALL THAT IS PUT INTO THAT DATABASE, WHICH IS WHAT HELPS US TO DO THE ALERT.
WHEN THAT VEHICLE PASSES, WHEN IT SENSES THAT VEHICLE AND IT HAS THAT LICENSE PLATE, THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERS THE ALARM TO SAY, HEY, THIS VEHICLE JUST PASSED HERE.
UH, THAT PICTURE THAT YOU SAW POPS UP ON THE SCREEN.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THIS IS NOT POPPING UP IN, IN ANYWHERE ELSE, RIGHT? UH, BUT THAT INFORMATION'S PUT IN THERE.
IT'S UP TO THE OFFICER WHEN THEY PULL THAT UP AND THEY SEE IT IN THE CAR.
AND EVEN OUR DISPATCH TO CONFIRM THAT INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS A BLACK TAHOE, THEY CAN SAY, AND THEY COME UP BEHIND THAT CAR, THEY GOTTA VERIFY IT'S ON A BLACK TAHOE.
THE PLATE I HAVE THAT'S SHOWING IT'S WANTED OR STOLEN IS A BC 1 23.
I'M BEHIND A BLACK TAHOE WITH THAT PLATE.
THAT'S THE PROBABLE CAUSE, AND THEY CAN GET THEIR INFORMATION FROM THERE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S HOW A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION, UM, IF IT DOESN'T MATCH, THEN IT DOESN'T GET STOPPED.
AND WE CAN ACTUALLY GO ON THERE AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS OFF BY A CERTAIN CHARACTER FOR WHATEVER REASON.
UM, AND SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GO IN THERE AND SAY, UH, BASICALLY QUELL THIS SEARCH, RIGHT? THIS IS NOT A GOOD SEARCH.
AND WE CAN GO THERE IN THAT SYSTEM AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO SAY THAT'S NOT GOOD.
UM, AGAIN, AS FAR AS THE, THE BIG THING IS THAT, WHAT I
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WOULD SAY, MULTI-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION.WE SEE THAT A LOT IN TECHNOLOGY WHEN YOU LOG IN AND DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE MULTIPLE, UH, SECURITIES TO GO IN THERE? IT'S THE SAME WAY, RIGHT? WE HAVE THE INFORMATION, WE HAVE THE ALERT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE OFFICER THAT GOES IN THERE TO VERIFY, TO PHYSICALLY SEE THE CAR, TO, TO LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION AND SAY, IS THIS THE RIGHT CAR? AND SO I THINK THAT'S KEY.
UM, HOW DOES THIS SUPPORT THE INVESTIGATION? WELL, LIKE I SAID, THE CRIME HAS TO BE REPORTED TO US FIRST, RIGHT? WE GET THOSE HIT AND RUN CALLS, WE GET THE SHOPLIFTING CALLS, WE GET THAT INFORMATION, WE GET THAT VEHICLE INFORMATION.
UM, THEY DESCRIBED THE VEHICLE, THEY DESCRIBED THE LICENSE PLATE, AND WE HAVE IT.
UM, FROM THERE WE CAN GO INTO OUR SYSTEM, DO THAT SEARCH, AND WE CAN FIND IT.
UH, AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE IT'S ONLY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT ARE DOING THIS STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.
UH, A LOT OF TIMES TOO, LIKE IN YOUR HIT RUNS THAT I HAVE, UH, OFFICERS DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO A SEARCH.
IF IT JUST HAPPENED RIGHT THEN AND THERE, LIKE THEY SAID THIS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE CAUGHT WITHIN HOURS AFTER THE DEAL.
THAT MEANS THE PATROL GUYS, WHEN THEY'RE TAKING THAT REPORT, THEY'RE GETTING THAT INFORMATION TO THEM.
THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT IN THE SEARCH TO SAY, HEY, WE JUST HAD A HIT AND RUN IT.
JUST HIT A PERSON AND WE NEED TO LOOK FOR THIS CAR.
AND THEN THAT'S HOW WE CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHERE IT GOES.
THE OTHER WAY IS THAT CASE GETS ASSIGNED TO AN INVESTIGATOR.
THAT INVESTIGATOR CAN NOW GO IN THERE AS A CASE NUMBER.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S THE KEY THING, IS ALL THIS STUFF YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE CASE NUMBER, AND WE'LL GET MORE INTO THOSE DETAILS IN A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THEY CAN PUT IN THOSE REASON FOR THE SEARCHES, FIND THAT VEHICLE AND GO IN THERE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT'S A, IT'S PART OF THE OVERALL TOOL LEADING TO THE INVESTIGATION, RIGHT? THIS IS ONE SMALL PIECE, A CLUE, IF YOU WILL, A, A FLAG TO HELP US FIND THIS STUFF.
IT'S STILL UP TO THE OFFICER, THE DETECTIVE THAT'S WORKING THAT CASE TO PUT ALL THESE CLUES TOGETHER TO GET THAT CASE SOLVED AND PUT TO THE DA'S OFFICE TO MAKE THE ARREST FOR THE PROBABLE CAUSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
AS FAR AS, UH, THE TOOL GOES, THE SHARING, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ON THE SHARING.
SO HOW DOES IT WORK? UM, IF SOMEBODY, AND WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT OUTSIDE, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OUTSIDE SHARING.
IF AN OUTSIDE AGENCY WITHIN TEXAS, UH, DOES A SEARCH, RIGHT? THEY PUT IN THE LICENSE PLATE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE CAR, UH, IF IT PINGS IN BERNIE, TEXAS FROM PLANO, UH, BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN THEY'RE DOING THAT SEARCH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, UH, THEY GOTTA PUT IN THE CASE NUMBER.
THEY GOTTA PUT THE REASON FOR THE SEARCH.
THEY PUT IN THEIR SEARCH, THEY'RE GONNA GET THAT PICTURE THAT I TOLD YOU IS ON THE PAGE ONE OF WHAT THAT IS IN BERNIE, TEXAS AT THAT LOCATION.
TYPICALLY, AFTER THAT, IF THERE'S MORE INTEREST IN THAT VEHICLE, SAY IT IS A HOMICIDE COMING THROUGH BERNIE, UH, WHAT THEY CAN DO IS THEN THEY CONTACT US, THEY'LL GET IN TOUCH WITH ONE OF OUR DETECTIVES WHO THEN KIND OF HELP 'EM WORK THAT CASE TOGETHER, RIGHT? UM, THAT'S HOW THE SHARING IS.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE I THINK ARE GETTING CONFUSED THAT WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE EXPORT OF DATA AND ALL THIS STUFF, THEY'RE NOT JUST GOING IN THERE AND GETTING SOME 5,000 PAGE EXCEL SPREADSHEET WITH EVERYBODY'S LICENSE PLATE AND NUMBER THAT'S GOING IN THERE.
THIS IS SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT THEY'RE GOING IN THERE LOOKING FOR.
AND AGAIN, ALL THAT IS DEFINED AND, AND WE'LL GO OVER OUR POLICY AND STUFF AS FAR AS LOOKING FORWARD THE REASON AND THE CASE NUMBER WHY THAT'S BEING ALL DOCUMENTED, AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE AUDIT AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
SO, AS FAR AS NO AUTOMATIC EXPORTED DATA, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THERE'S NO BIG SPREADSHEET OF ALL THIS DATA THAT'S JUST GOING TO OUTSIDE ENTITIES.
UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS SAYING IS, UH, THE PERSON THAT IF IT DOES PING IN TEXAS AND THEY'RE FROM PLANO, WHAT THEY GET IS THAT PICTURE.
YES, THAT IS THE DATA THEY ACTUALLY GET, BUT THAT IS ALL THEY GET.
UM, THEY'RE NOT GETTING INTO OUR NETWORK, INTO OUR SYSTEM.
THEY'RE NOT RECONFIGURING OUR SYSTEM.
THEY'RE NOT CHANGING OUR PARAMETERS FOR SEARCHING OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S VERY CLEAR.
UM, AND OF COURSE RIGHT NOW OUR RETENTION IS 30 DAYS.
IF IT'S 45 DAYS, 31 DAYS, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE.
AND THAT SEARCH WON'T TURN UP ANYMORE.
WHAT DOES, UH, WHAT IT DOES AND DOES NOT DO, SO OBVIOUSLY IT CAPTURES HIS LICENSE PLATE OR PARTIAL PLATES, RIGHT? IT HAS THE VEHICLE IMAGE.
YOU SAW THAT LIKE THE POLICE CAR, THE DATE TIME, THE CAMERA LOCATION, AND THE INFORMATION, UH, VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC ROADWAY.
UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE FOLLOWING, THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE THIS, IF I PUT AN OFFICER AT THE INTERSECTION AND THEY SEE 10 CARS GO BY, RIGHT? UH, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SIT THERE, LOOK AT THE CAR, WRITE DOWN WHATEVER CHARACTERISTICS OF THE CAR, THE MAKE THE MODEL, OR GET THE LICENSE PLATE.
WHAT CHANGES WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY IS THAT OFFICER MAY BE ABLE TO GET TWO OF THE CARS WITH ALL THAT INFORMATION IN THE SHORT TIME THAT THOSE CARS PASS BY.
WHAT THIS TECHNOLOGY DOES IS SPEEDS THAT.
IT'LL JUST BE ABLE TO CAPTURE ALL 10 CARS AT ONCE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE SAVE THE TIME AND THE EFFICIENCY FOR, FOR OUR SIDE, FOR OUR DEPARTMENT.
WHAT DOES IT NOT DO? IT DOESN'T DO FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY.
UH, IT DOES NOT IDENTIFY VEHICLE OCCUPANTS.
IT WAS THE REAR OF THE CAR AND THE LICENSE PLATE.
IT WASN'T, A LOT OF PEOPLE GET THIS CONFUSED
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WITH RED LIGHT CAMERAS BACK IN THE DAY, RIGHT? UH, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ANYMORE.UH, AND ALSO WHEN YOU GO THROUGH TOLL ROADS, ANYBODY DRIVE TO HOUSTON, DALLAS, AUSTIN, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH TOLL ROAD CAMERAS.
IT'S GETTING THAT INFORMATION.
UH, IT DOESN'T ISSUE CITATIONS.
IT'S NOT A RED LIGHT CAMERA LIKE I MENTIONED.
UM, IT, IT'S NOT GONNA SEND YOU A TICKET.
IT'S NOT GONNA DO ANY OF THAT STUFF.
UM, IT DOESN'T CONTACT PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL HOA CAMERAS, RIGHT? THIS IS HOA CAMERAS AND ALL THAT ARE PRIVATE ENTITIES.
THEY'RE STU ON THEIR END, RIGHT? UM, AND IT DOESN'T COLLECT CELL PHONE DATA.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT KEEPS GOING BY THAT'S GONNA HAVE ALL MY CELL PHONE CONTENT.
UM, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED THROUGH THE COURTS, THROUGH THE FIFTH, UH, DISTRICT COURT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
THERE'S NO VIOLATION OF PRIVACY.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE COURTS HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT THIS STUFF.
UH, THE ACCOUNTABILITY, THE PRIVACY.
UH, THE ACCESS, AS I'VE MENTIONED, AND I'VE BEEN SAYING IT OVER, OVER AGAIN, THE AUTHORIZED USERS ARE GONNA BE LAW ENFORCEMENT, OKAY? THEY HAVE THE PERMISSIONS.
UH, I HAVE LIEUTENANT SCHMIDT HERE.
HE'S OUR, UH, LPR ADMINISTRATOR.
SO HE WOULD BE THE ONE THAT CAN KIND OF GO IN THERE AND SET THOSE PARAMETERS, SET UP OUR NEW OFFICERS, REMOVE PEOPLE, DO THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
HE'S ALSO GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THOSE LOGS, RIGHT? WE JUST, UH, IMPLEMENTED A POLICY.
WE WENT THROUGH LEGAL, UH, AND WE TOOK, UH, INFORMATION FROM OTHER STUFF TO STRENGTHEN THE POLICY WE HAD.
BUT WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY PUT IN THE POLICY THAT WE'LL BE DOING QUARTERLY AND ANNUAL AUDITS.
UH, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE SYSTEM ITSELF HAS ITS OWN INTERNAL AUDIT SYSTEM THAT CAN FLAG CERTAIN THINGS IF IT SEES SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS, RIGHT? UH, AND THEN THEY CAN REACH OUT TO US TO SAY, HEY, Y'ALL MAY WANNA LOOK AT THIS.
AND THEN WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD DO OUR OWN INVESTIGATION AND FIND OUT IF THERE WAS ANY MISUSE.
UH, THE SHARING, SAME THING, RIGHT? WE CAN GO IN THERE AND CONTROL, UH, PRIOR TO A LOT OF THIS CONVERSATION.
AND WHEN WE ENACTED OUR POLICY BACK IN THE END OF AUGUST, UH, WE DID HAVE SOME OUTSIDE SHARING.
ALL THAT HAS BEEN CLOSED SINCE THEN.
UH, SO WE ARE NOT SHARING WITH ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF TEXAS.
WE'RE STILL SHARING WITH OUR TEXAS LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP DOING THAT FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION PURPOSES.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT SHARING IS ALL WITHIN TEXAS.
UM, AS FAR AS RETENTION, IT'S CURRENTLY AT 30 DAYS.
AND, AND WE'LL GO INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT HERE AS WELL.
BUT I THINK THE TRANSPARENCY, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE WRITTEN POLICY, THE, THE CONTRACT AND ALL THE APPLICABLE LAWS.
UH, IS WHEN WE STARTED HEARING A LOT OF THE INFORMATION AND THE CONCERNS FROM OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
AND YOU HEARD A FEW HERE TODAY, UH, WE COULD HAVE JUST STOOD BY AND NOT DONE ANYTHING, RIGHT? BUT WE, WE BECAME PROACTIVE ON THIS AND WE REACHED OUT WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM, UH, AND WE LOOKED AT OTHER, UM, RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN DONE FROM OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO SAY, WHAT IS A BETTER POLICY WE CAN PUT IN PLACE TO HOPEFULLY MINIMIZE MISUSE AND, AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF THAT PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT.
UH, ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ONE OF THE BIG THING IS THE CONCERN IS HOW DO WE KNOW IF IT WAS ACTUALLY DELETED? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE BIG THING WE TELL YOU AFTER 30 DAYS, IT'S DELETED.
BUT I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE SAYING, IS IT REALLY DELETED? I MEAN, THIS IS TECHNOLOGY.
IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE OUT THERE.
WELL, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE GET FROM OUR, UH, FROM OUR, OUR SYSTEM WITH FLOCK, RIGHT? INTERNAL POLICIES, THAT FIRST ONE THAT'S GONNA BE ON US, RIGHT? THAT 30 DAY RETENTION PERIOD, THAT'S WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY SET AT.
SO A LOT OF WHAT WE DO, A LOT OF THE SOFTWARE WE, UH, MANAGE WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT FOR INVESTIGATION PURPOSES AND EVERYTHING WE DO, EVEN IN OUR DISPATCH SIDE, HAS TO GO THROUGH, UH, FBI CGIS COMPLIANCE, OUR OWN IT DEPARTMENT.
MIKE ROWDY HERE IS OUR DIRECTOR.
HE CAN ATTEST THAT EVERYTHING WE DO HAS TO BE COM HAS TO GO THROUGH FBI SIEGE COMPLIANCE.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE'S ALL THE SYSTEMS OF CHECKS AND BALANCES.
THERE'S THE MULTI-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
SO A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS NOT JUST SOMETHING WE PUT TOGETHER AND WE'RE JUST OUT THERE PLAYING ON A WHIM, RIGHT? LAW.
THIS HAS BEEN, UH, UH, LOOKED AT AND ALREADY, UH, CHALLENGED AND CHECKED BY A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
UH, AND SO THIS SYSTEM IS NO DIFFERENCE.
UH, AWS, WHICH IS THE CLOUD, IT OBVIOUSLY ONCE IT'S IN THERE, UH, THE, IF WE SAY DELETE, IT'S IRREVERSIBLY DELETES OBJECTS, AND THEY ALSO, THEY'RE GONNA GO BY WHAT OUR POLICY IS.
UH, WE CAN REACH OUT FOR TAMPER PROOF, TIMESTAMP RECORDS OF EVERY DELETION.
AND ALSO WE CAN PULL THE REC THE METRICS THAT SHOW THE DELETION ACTIVITY AS IT OCCURS.
AND, UH, AND AGAIN, IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS THE, THE COPY OF THE RECORDS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW, IS, IS IT REALLY DELETED? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO SHOW THAT WHEN IT'S BEEN DELETED, IT'S BEEN DELETED AND WE CAN'T RETRIEVE THAT INFORMATION BACK.
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SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, OUR CURRENT PROGRAM, SO WE GOT 45 TOTAL PLATE READING DEVICES, 28 ARE IN OUR CAMERAS, RIGHT? OUR AXON, UH, DASH CAMERAS.AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN WE SAID THE AXON, IT'S A PACKAGE DEAL, RIGHT? IT'S, UH, BIG PART OF IT IS OUR BODY CAMERA, OUR DASH CAMERA SYSTEM.
IT ALSO INCLUDES OUR TASER WITH IS OUR LESS LETHAL, UH, DEVICES.
AND IT ALSO, PART OF THAT TECHNOLOGY DOES HAVE THAT LPR, UH, SOFTWARE BUILT INTO IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT 28 COMES FROM.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE, UH, 17, RIGHT? 12 OF THOSE ARE FIXED, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE ON A POLE, UH, AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
AND SO THEN THE OTHER FIVE IS, UH, A SOFTWARE THAT IS PUT ON EXISTING CITY CAMERAS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS WHOLE POINT OF THIS TECHNOLOGY SUPPORT INVESTIGATIONS TO INCLUDE STOLEN VEHICLES, MISSING PERSONS.
UH, IT HELPS US SOLVE THOSE CRIMES.
UH, AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, THE OFFICERS HAVE TO INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THOSE ALERTS, OR THEY'RE JUST NOT GETTING THE ALERT AND GOING IN AND DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, STOPPING CARS FOR NO REASON, AND IT DOESN'T DO CITATIONS FOR ANY VIOLATIONS.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RETENTION.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S ANOTHER ONE.
RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY AT 30 DAYS.
UM, I PERSONALLY LIKE THE 30 DAYS RETENTION, BUT WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.
UH, 41 OF THE CITY OWNED CAMERAS.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, YOU ALREADY HEARD ABOUT THE 17.
I TOLD YOU THAT SEVERAL HOAS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS, UH, NEARBY US HAVE THIS STUFF AS WELL AS BUSINESSES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE NOT SHARED WITH OUR CITY NETWORK.
SO NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE OR THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE ACCESS TO OUR STUFF EVERY REQUIRE, EVERY QUERY.
SO THE SEARCH BASICALLY REQUIRES A, A PURPOSE AND THE REPORT NUMBER, UM, EVERYTHING IS LOGGED AND IT'S SUBJECT AUDIT AT ANY TIME, WHETHER WE DO IT QUARTERLY OR WE DO IT ANNUALLY, OR I GET INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO DO IT, I CAN JUST ORDER THAT RIGHT NOW AND JUST SAY, RUN ME AN AUDIT AND PULL THAT INFORMATION.
UM, WE DID, UH, WE DID HAVE A CHAPTER ON THE AI TECHNOLOGY AND STUFF.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WITH, WITH EVERYTHING COMING OUT, WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE BEST PRACTICES THAT MAJOR CITY CHIEFS WAS DOING.
THAT IS WHAT WE WORKED WITH M HERE.
MC CAME WITH OUR ATTORNEY AND WE SAID, HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS BETTER? UM, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HIT ON ALL THAT INFORMATION ON AUDITS, THE RETENTION PERIOD AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP.
UH, THE FACIAL RECOGNITION IMPLEMENTATION REQUIRES PRIOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
THAT'S BEEN WRITTEN IN OUR, OUR WRITTEN DIRECTIVE.
AND, UH, THAT DIRECTIVE WENT INTO EFFECT AUGUST 31ST.
SO I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME RESEARCH AND STUFF BEFORE THAT THAT MAY HAVE DIFFERENT INFORMATION, BUT AFTER IT, IT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S DIFFERENT, IS BECAUSE THE POLICY THAT ONCE WE GOT EVERYTHING REVIEWED THROUGH LEGAL APPROVED THROUGH THE, THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, UH, THAT'S WHY IT WENT INTO EFFECT ON AUGUST 31ST.
AS FAR AS THE 30 DAYS, WE JUST DID A SIX MONTH REVIEW TO SEE KIND OF MORE OR LESS WHAT OUR NUMBERS ARE SHOWING AS FAR AS THE SEARCHES THAT ARE BEING CONDUCTED IN-HOUSE.
AND THAT'S BOTH BY OUR PATROL OFFICERS AND OUR INVESTIGATORS.
UH, OUR MONTHLY HIGH AVERAGE WAS ABOUT 17 DAYS.
OUR REGULAR AVERAGE WAS 13 DAYS, AND 42% WERE OVER SEVEN DAYS.
UH, BY DEFAULT, FLOCK DID CHANGE THEIR, UH, RETENTION TO SEVEN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT AGENCIES CAN GO HIGHER, RIGHT? SO IT'S BASICALLY BETWEEN THAT, THAT SEVEN AND 30 DAYS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN CHATTER ABOUT THE, UH, SEVEN DAYS.
'CAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THESE CRIMES THAT GET REPORTED OBVIOUSLY ARE OVER THE SEVEN DAYS.
OVER THE 14 DAYS, SOME OVER 21 DAYS.
UH, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH MORE SERIOUS CRIMES, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLES, LIKE A SEXUAL ASSAULT, RIGHT? SOMEBODY GETS SEXY, ASSAULTED, THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME RIGHT AWAY TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR EVEN TO A PERSON TO MAKE AN OUTCRY ABOUT THIS HAPPENING, RIGHT? UH, SOMETIMES THAT TAKES A WHILE TO EMOTIONALLY, MENTALLY, UM, DEAL WITH THAT INCIDENT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT UNTIL THEY DO MAKE THAT OUTCRY AND THEY'RE COMFORTABLE AND THEY'RE READY TO GO FORWARD TO MAKE THAT CALL.
I WOULD HATE FOR SOMEBODY IN THAT SITUATION THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO ME.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE TIME THAT IT TOOK FOR THEM TO COME IN AND REPORT IT, NOW IT'S GONE.
AND WE CAN'T REALLY GO FIND THAT PERSON, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE 30 DAY RETENTION PERIOD.
UM, AS FAR AS THE 14 AND THE 21, UH, MOST OF THOSE BY AVERAGE, YOU CAN SEE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, TO ME, IF I CAN HAVE THE 30, THAT'S WHAT I LIKE.
UM, AND, AND IT'S JUST FOR THOSE REASONS, FALL FAR AND FEW BETWEEN PROBABLY, LIKE YOU SAID, OUR MOST HIGH AVERAGE WAS 17, BUT NONETHELESS, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CASE AND CASES.
AND, AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT DATA BECOMES AVAILABLE, THAT WE, WE REALLY WOULD LIKE THAT TRANSPARENCY
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PORTAL IS ANOTHER THING WE MADE A CHANGE TO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.AND THIS IS ALL THE STUFF THAT WE JUST, AGAIN, TALKING WITH OUR CITY MANAGEMENT OFFICE, TALKING WITH, WITH, UH, OUR ATTORNEYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE ADDED TO OUR WEBPAGE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP, TRANSPARENCY.
AND WE LISTED EVERYTHING IN THERE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING.
UM, ONE OF 'EM ON THE LEFT IS THE, UH, THE ONE THAT SHOWS A MAP.
THAT'S OUR FLOCK TRANSPARENCY PORTAL.
SO YOU CAN GO ON THERE, I CAN ONLY JUST PUT A PORTION OF IT, BUT IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE DATA THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS OUR FLOCK, OR I'M SORRY, OUR AXON, LPR, UH, AXON.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FLOCK AND AXON RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE CURRENTLY SHARING WITH FLOCK AXON.
WE ARE NOT SHARING THAT IS ONLY INTERNAL, UH, RIGHT NOW.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.
HERE ARE SOME COMMON QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING ASKED.
UH, DOES IT TRACK PEOPLE? NO, IT DOESN'T.
IT RECORDS THE VEHICLES, EVENTS AT THE CAMERA LOCATIONS.
UM, DOES IT USE FACIAL RECOGNITION? I ALREADY SAID THIS.
UM, IS IT LIVE VIDEO SURVEILLANCE AGAIN? NO.
IT'S A CAMERA TAKING A STILL PICTURE, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S DOING.
UM, DOES EVERY HIT MEAN A CRIME OCCURRED? NO, IT DOESN'T, RIGHT? UH, WE, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT, UH, A PERSON GOES, MISS IS NOT TECHNICALLY A CRIME, RIGHT? IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S A WELFARE CONCERN.
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THEIR LOVED ONES.
UM, BUT NONETHELESS, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO AS FAR AS A QUERY OR SEARCH WILL TIE THAT TO A CASE NUMBER AND TO A PURPOSE FOR THAT.
AND BASICALLY THE REASON FOR THAT IS YOU CAN DO AN AUDIT.
WE CAN PULL THAT CASE NUMBER AND WE CAN GET THE DETAILS OF THE REPORT AND SAY, WHY WAS THAT, UH, VEHICLE, UH, UH, IN A SEARCH? UH, IT'S A TOOL.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST LIKE I TOLD YOU EARLIER, RIGHT? THIS IS ONE PIECE OF THE PIE THAT WE HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER TO SOLVE THESE CASES.
IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO ADVANCE.
AND I THINK, UH, WE WOULD BE NAIVE NOT TO USE THIS TECHNOLOGY TO HELP US SOLVE THESE CASES.
THE WHOLE POINT IS KEEPING THIS COMMUNITY SAFE.
AND IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN HERE, UH, WE GO AFTER IT RIGHT AWAY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PUT EVERYBODY'S MIND TO TO REST THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS BAD PERSON WAS CAUGHT IS NO LONGER GONNA BE, UH, AN OFFENDER IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THE POINT IN TIME AS FAR AS THE, THE CAMERA, THE VEHICLE DATA THAT WE GET, THE HUMAN REVIEW, WHICH IS US JUST VERIFYING THAT INFORMATION AND WE JUST, UH, BEEFED UP OUR POLICY AND OUR PORTALS AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF ALL THE TALK OF LPR ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I JUST CAME FROM CHIEF'S TRAINING LAST WEEK.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKED ABOUT AND WAS KIND OF EMPHASIZED BECAUSE OF THE, UH, ATTENTION IT'S GETTING.
UH, INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION CHIEFS OF POLICE, UH, THE MAJOR CITY CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, AND OF COURSE THE TEXAS POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, RIGHT? WE ARE AN ACCREDITED AGENCY.
AND WHAT THAT BASICALLY MEANS IS WE HAVE ALL OUR POLICIES AND GUIDELINES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED FROM THESE DIFFERENT, UH, ENTITIES PUT TOGETHER.
AND SO WHAT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PUT IN THE BEST PRACTICES TO SAY, IF YOU ARE GONNA HAVE THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY, THESE ARE THE MEASUREMENTS AND PARAMETERS YOU GOTTA HAVE IN PLACE, WHICH IS A LOT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
UH, THE OTHER THING TOO, AT LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT EVEN OUR KEN COUNTY CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY STOOD UP HERE AS LONG AS WITH ONE OF OUR ADAS THAT SAID THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AND THE USE OF IT FOR THOSE REASONS OF THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION PURPOSES.
AND SO, WITH ALL THAT, LIKE I SAID, UH, WITH ANYTHING ELSE, I'M ALL FOR IT.
I'M ALL FOR THE, UH, RESTRICTIONS THAT NEED TO BE PUT IN THERE FOR, FOR PURPOSE OF MAKING SURE THAT MISUSE DOESN'T HAPPEN, UH, TO TALK ABOUT, ABOUT THE MISUSE.
'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S STUFF OUT THERE ABOUT OFFICERS GETTING ARRESTED BECAUSE THEY'RE TRACKING GIRLFRIENDS OR EX-WIVES OR WHATEVER.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE MISUSE CAN HAPPEN.
YES, IT CAN HAPPEN, BUT YOU'RE SEEING THOSE STORIES AND YOU'RE SEEING THE STORIES BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE, DISCIPLINED, AND IN SOME CASES ARRESTED.
AND THAT'LL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? UM, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE POLICIES IN PLACE.
WE ARE, UM, HAVE ACCESS TO A LOT OF PERTINENT INFORMATION THAT WE USE TO SOLVE OUR CRIMES AND SOLVE OUR CASES.
AND WE DO WORK WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES TO, TO DO THAT.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT RESPONSIBILITY THAT'S GIVEN TO US HOLDS US TO THAT HIGHER STANDARD.
THERE'S THE OTHER PROFESSION THAT COMES ON DUTY, HAS A BODY CAMERA ATTACHED TO 'EM, AND IS TRACKING EVERYTHING WE DO AT EVERY CALL, EVERY CONTACT WE MAKE.
UM, EVEN OUR CARS, RIGHT? WE HAVE, UH, AUTOMATIC VEHICLE LOCATORS.
EVEN OUR DISPATCHERS TO OUR SUPERVISORS CAN SEE WHERE EVERY CAR GOES AND DO THAT.
AND SO I THINK THAT JUST KIND OF GOES TO TALK ABOUT OUR PROFESSION IN GENERAL.
UH, WE, WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON BEING A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION, AND I THINK AS LONG AS, UH, THE, THE RESTRICTIONS ARE THERE AND
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IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO CHANGE, I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME LEGISLATIVE UPDATE, UH, THAT'S GONNA CAUSE POLICY CHANGES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.AND IF IT CHANGES, THEN WE'LL ADAPT WITH THOSE CHANGES.
BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT TOOL AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP USING IT.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WE GOT THERE.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I ALSO HAVE IAN LESLIE HERE HE IS WITH GLOCK SAFETY, SO IF THERE'S ANY SOMETHING MORE TECHNICAL THAT I CAN'T ANSWER, I CAN DEFINITELY CALL HIM UP HERE AND HE CAN ANSWER SOME OF HIS QUESTIONS AS LONG AS WITH LIEUTENANT SCHMIDT.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS DIRECTED TOWARDS CHIEF? DR.
CHIEF, I GO THROUGH THESE WITH ME.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS, YOU ACTUALLY TOUCHED ON 'EM ALREADY, AND A LOT OF 'EM, I WANNA REEMPHASIZE IT.
FIRST OF ALL, CRIME IS NOT NEGOTIABLE.
UH, COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE HIGH CRIME RATES DIE, COMMUNITIES THAT ARE PERCEIVED AS HAVING HIGH CRIME RATES DIE.
SO CRIME FOR THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT NEGOTIABLE, IN MY OPINION.
WE, OUR FIRST JOB IS TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I'VE TALKED TO YOU AND TO BEN AND TO THE MAYOR.
I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IN MY WORK, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT PRACTICING MEDICINE ANYMORE, I STILL DO A LOT OF ACADEMIC WORK.
I'M INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF AI WORK RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES ABOUT AI IN MEDICINE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF ISSUES IN AI IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH A FEW THINGS.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A QUESTION ABOUT PUBLIC APPROVAL.
I WANNA CLARIFY THAT THERE WAS NOT A BIG PUBLIC PRESENTATION AT THE TIME THAT THOSE WERE APPROVED IN 2023, OR THE AXON AGREEMENT, WHENEVER THAT WAS.
UM, BUT THEY WERE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND JUST LIKE TONIGHT, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CAN BE DISCUSSED, CAN BE PULLED OFF, UH, THE AXON APPROVAL.
I ACTUALLY PULLED OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA WHEN IT WAS DONE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
UM, SO WE, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT PERHAPS BECAUSE NOW THERE'S MUCH MORE GREATER AWARENESS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS REALLY AN ISSUE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, BUT IT IS NOW, UM, THAT WE ARE GONNA DO THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS TONIGHT.
UM, I'VE TALKED TO YOU EXTENSIVELY ABOUT RETENTION AND CROSS JURISDICTIONAL SHARING.
I THINK I WANNA CLARIFY, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG MM-HMM
CURRENTLY, WE, WE, WE, WE SHARE NO DATA OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY SOME 500 PLUS ENTITIES THAT THEORETICALLY WE CAN SHARE DATA WITH, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO OUR SYSTEM.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC REASON TO DING OUR SYSTEM TO SAY, OH, LICENSE PLATE X, Y, Z THEY WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN ABILENE FOR HIT AND RUN, MURDER, ASSAULT, KIDNAPPING, WHATEVER.
THAT'S DINGED IN THE BURNING SYSTEM.
THEY HAVE TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
WE NEED TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION.
YOU CAN SELECTIVELY PULL THAT OUT.
THEY DO NOT GET THE WHOLE RANGE OF EVERYBODY THAT CROSSED THE, THE I 10 46 BRIDGE IN THE LAST DAY OR TWO HOURS.
THEY GET THAT INFORMATION WHEN THAT CAR, THAT VEHICLE, THAT BUS TRUCK, WHATEVER WAS THERE.
AND THAT HAS TO COME FROM YOU.
THEY CANNOT DIRECTLY ACCESS IT.
THE RETENTION THAT IS DISCUSSED IS THE GENERAL RETENTION.
AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF OUR, AND I APPLAUD THE, THE PUBLIC FOR, FOR LOOKING INTO THIS, WE KNOW THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF DATA COLLECTED JUST BROADLY SWAPPED THERE.
HOWEVER, THAT QUERY ABOUT THAT CRIMINAL IN ABILENE DOES NOT GET DELETED.
THAT IS RETAINED BY YOU AND BY THE QUERYING AGENCY, WHICH I PRESUME THE POLICE CHIEF OR WHATEVER POLICE FORCE IN ABILENE OR WHATEVER.
IT'S, SO THE CONCEPT THAT THIS DATA IS AVAILABLE INDEFINITELY FOR JUST RANDOM SEARCHING DOES NOT EXIST.
AND I'VE HAD YOU CLARIFY THAT.
WHEN IT'S DELETED, IT'S DELETED.
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE ALL KNOW, 'CAUSE I DO A LOT OF ONLINE WORK, WE HAVE BACKUP SYSTEMS MM-HMM
SO I CAN DELETE SOMETHING ON MY COMPUTER, BUT I HAVE A BACKUP FILE ON ANOTHER HERE, ANOTHER HERE OFFSITE FILE CLOUD FILE THAT'S DELETED.
AND I THINK FLAG, THOSE ARE UNDER THE GUN.
SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA PLAY GAMES WITH US ON THAT.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT'S RETAINED IS AGAIN, BY A CASE NUMBER AND IT'S FLAGGED.
JUST ONCE THAT VIDEO IS FLAGGED FOR A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSE BACKED UP BY THAT REPORT, THEN THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT'S KEPT.
BUT IT'S ONLY THAT ONE PARTICULAR PIECE.
IT BECOMES A PIECE OF DIGITAL EVIDENCE.
JUST LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE IN A DI IN A, IN AN EVIDENCE ROOM IN ANY POLICE STATION OR ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT A, UM, EVIDENCE ROOM WITH PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.
YOU'VE ALSO GOT DIGITAL EVIDENCE.
I WANT CHIEF TO GO BACK AND RE-EMPHASIZE OR RE-EXPLAIN THE SHARING.
YOU MENTIONED, UM, CHIEF THAT IF SOMEONE IN PLANO PUT IN A CASE NUMBER, DID THE LICENSE PLATE AND IT PINGED HIM, BERNIE, THEY HAVE THAT ACCESS RIGHT AWAY, THEY SEE THAT PICTURE? OR DOES THAT NOTIFY US THAT WE HAVE TO RELEASE IT? NO, NO, NO.
THEY SEE THAT PICTURE FROM THEIR SIDE, FROM THEIR SYSTEM.
SO ONE OF THE WAYS TO KIND OF, I GUESS EXPLAIN THIS TO MAKE IT EASIER IS IT IS LIKE A GOOGLE IN-HOUSE, RIGHT? BUT THE ONLY THING THAT THING IS SEARCHING IS THOSE AGENCIES THAT WE'RE SHARING WITH.
SO IF I PUT IN A PLATE, WHETHER BERNIE, TEXAS, I'M LOOKING FOR A CAR THINKING
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THEY MAY BE IN PLANO, AND I PUT IN THAT LICENSE PLATE, RIGHT? MY CASE NUMBER, EVERYTHING, AND IT POPS UP IN THERE, I CAN SEE THAT PICTURE.UM, THAT'S WHAT THEY GET THAT INFORMATION RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT? AND SO THEY CAN TAKE THAT PICTURE AND THAT'S THE DATA THAT THEY GET THAT EXPORT, THEY CAN DOWNLOAD THAT PICTURE, THEY GET NOTHING ELSE.
BUT AS FAR AS ANY OTHER INFORMATION, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE OTHER TOOLS COME INVOLVED.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA RUN THE PLAY, THEY'RE GONNA SEE WHO IT COMES BACK TO, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY BE CALLING US OR I'M GONNA BE CALLING PLANO TO SAY, WHAT'S, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS VEHICLE? AND, AND THAT'S PART OF THAT COOKIE CRUMBLE THING.
AND TO CLARIFY, IF SOMEONE TRIED TO FROM PLANO SEARCH THE SYSTEM FOR X, Y, Z WITHOUT A CASE NUMBER, WITHOUT A WARRANT BASIS, WHAT HAPPENS? UH, THAT'S A PLANO THING.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T CONTROL IT.
I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENS ON OUR END? UH, WE, WE CAN'T SEE THAT ON THEIR END.
IF SOMEONE IN PLANO IS SEARCHING FOR PLANO, I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING.
NO, I'M SAYING WHAT IF SOMEONE IN PLANO IS TRYING TO ACCESS OUR SYSTEM BUT DOESN'T HAVE A CASE NUMBER, SO THEY DON'T ACCESS OUR SYSTEM PER SE.
THEY, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.
IT'S KINDA LIKE THE NETWORK, RIGHT? WHAT I'M ASKING IS, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, I'M IN PLAIN NOTE.
I I GOT LICENSE PLATE X, Y, Z, BUT I DON'T REALLY HAVE A WARRANT.
I DON'T HAVE A YEAH, A A CASE NUMBER.
I JUST SAY, OH, I WANNA SEE WHERE X, Y, Z IS.
WHAT HAPPENS? CAN THEY STILL SEE IT WITHOUT A WARRANT, WITHOUT A CASE NUMBER? SO THE SAFEGUARDS, WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.
I'M ONE OF FLOCKS REGIONAL PUBLIC AFFAIRS MANAGER.
SO IT'S GREAT TO, UH, BE HERE TODAY.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, EVERY SAFEGUARD THAT CHIEF MENTIONED EARLIER IS REPRESENTATIVE OF EVERY CUSTOMER.
SO EVERY CUSTOMER HAS TO HAVE AN OFFENSE TYPE, WHICH IS BRS CODED NATIONAL INCIDENT BASED REPORTING SYSTEM.
IF IT'S A MURDER, IF IT'S A THEFT, IT'S A KIDNAPPING.
THEY HAVE TO ENTER IN THAT OFFENSE TYPE A SEARCH REASON.
AND THEN NOW, RECENTLY, WE HAVE REQUIRED A MANDATORY ACTIVE CASE CODE.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN MANDATORY, BUT AS OF AUGUST, THAT IS MANDATORY FOR EVERY AGENCY.
AND SO JUST LIKE HOW THEY ENTER IN THE SYSTEMS AND THOSE PARAMETERS, PLANO, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, BEXAR COUNTY, EVERY, EVERY CUSTOMER HAS TO ENTER IN THOSE PARAMETERS.
BUT TO MY POINT, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CASE NUMBER, THEN THEY CANNOT QUERY THE SYSTEM.
WHAT IF THEY MAKE UP A CASE NUMBER? IF THEY'LL MAKE OUT A, MAKE UP A CASE NUMBER, THEY'RE GONNA BE MAKING UP A LOT OF OTHER DETAILS AND OTHER PLACES.
AND THAT WILL BE CAUGHT IN THE AUDIT RECORDS.
UM, CHIEF MENTIONED EARLIER WHAT WE CALL OUR AUDIT ASSIST TOOL.
SO OUR AUDIT ASSIST TOOL WILL AUTOMATICALLY FLAG ANY ATYPICAL OR UNUSUAL QUERIES OR SEARCHES WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
SO WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? IF I'M MAKING UP A CASE NUMBER OR MAKING UP AN OFFENSE TYPE THERE'S GONNA BE AN ANOMALY SOMEWHERE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE FLAGGED FOR REVIEW FOR AN ADMINISTRATION.
THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IS THAT I KNOW THAT'S A GREAT CONCERN.
I'M ALSO AWARE THAT IT'S A VERY RARE OCCURRENCE, BUT IT'S ALSO TRUE BEFORE FLOCK OR AXON OR ANY OF THIS STUFF, WE'VE HAD ERRANT POLICE OFFICERS ABSOLUTELY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
'CAUSE I'VE DEALT WITH SOME OF THAT.
SO, I MEAN, I, I I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY THAT THE FLOCK SYSTEM IS ANY WORSE THAN ANY OTHER HUMAN SYSTEM WHERE YOU HAVE BAD ACTORS.
SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN IDENTIFIABLE PROCESS BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN GET THAT PICTURE.
OFFENSE TYPE SEARCH REASON, UH, CASE CODE.
AND THEY HAVE NO ABILITY TO SEARCH BEYOND THAT PICTURE.
THAT THAT'S, THIS IS ALL THAT THEY RECEIVE.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE, UH, AGAIN, WHILE YOU'RE THERE, I'LL LET YOU CONFIRM THIS.
AS FAR AS DATA BEING WIPED TO MY POINT ABOUT BACKUPS, I'VE GOT MULTIPLE BACKUPS.
SOMEBODY, I WIPED SOME ON MY COMPUTER.
IS IT WIPED FOREVER? IT'S HARD.
SO IN A, SO, SO YOU, YOU DID BLEACH BIT.
YOU DID YOU HAMMER AND SMASHED IT? I'M
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? ABSOLUTELY.
AND SO, UH, WHAT I CAN GIVE CHIEF TO GIVE TO YOU ALL IS A THIRD PARTY, UH, VERIFICATION LETTER FROM AWS THAT WALKS THROUGH THAT GRANULAR PROCESS OF WHAT WE SAY AND WHAT AWS SAYS WHEN THAT DELETED IS HARD DELETED.
AND I THINK CURRENTLY, UNLESS I AM MISSPEAKING ANY ADDITIONAL TO THE, I'M PLAYING OFF OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AND HAVE BEEN ASKED LAST WEEK BECAUSE, UH, THE EXPANSION OF FACIAL RECOGNITION OR OTHER TYPES OF IDENTIFICATION, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TURN ON.
SO, TO, TO BE CLEAR, NO FLOCK CAMERA, WE DO NOT DO FACIAL RECOGNITION.
WE DO NOT CAPTURE PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION.
SO THAT DOESN'T EXIST, PERIOD.
IT DOES NOT EXIST WITH FLOCK CAMERAS.
CAPABILITY MAY BE THERE, BUT YOU DON'T DO IT.
THE CAPABILITY HAS NOT EXISTED.
SO WHAT THE EARLIER STATEMENTS, JUST TO, TO ADDRESS THAT COMPANIES, TECH COMPANIES, WHETHER IT'S MICROSOFT, GOOGLE EXPLORED THOUSANDS OF PATENTS.
DO WE HAVE THAT PATENT AND EXPLORED THAT NINE YEARS AGO? YES.
IS FACIAL RECOGNITION ILLEGAL? NO.
WE'VE MADE A COMPANY STATEWIDE, UM, VENTURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING FACIAL RECOGNITION.
WELL, I I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THAT ALSO.
'CAUSE I HAVE A PATENT EXPERIENCE.
IF YOU'VE GOT A GOOD PATENT ATTORNEY, YOU GET THE BROADEST NUMBER OF, OF, OF, UM, OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN GET APPROVED AS A PATENTABLE THING.
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GONNA USE 'EM ALL DEVELOP IT.
UM, THE SECOND PART OF IT, THAT IS THAT RIGHT NOW, AND THIS PLAYS TO THE AI COMPONENT, WHICH IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
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FASTER THAN WE CAN ACTUALLY DIGEST IT AS HUMAN BEINGS.THAT, THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN ABOUT DATA RETENTION IS.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE DATA, FRANKLY.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU KNOW THAT I GO TO HEB FIVE TIMES A WEEK OR IF I GO TO CHURCH TWICE A WEEK OR WHAT I DON'T CARE.
WHAT I DO CARE ABOUT IS THAT THE DATA'S RETAINED FOREVER AND DOWN THE ROAD.
I'M NOT AS MUCH WORRIED ABOUT ANOTHER COUNSELOR OR MAYOR.
I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT MR. AI SOMEWHERE THAT HAS MASSIVE CAPABILITY OF IDENTIFYING PEOPLE BEYOND ANYTHING WE'RE THINKING ABOUT NOW.
'CAUSE FIVE OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, IT'LL BE VERY DIFFERENT.
SO I'M TRYING TO, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS, I WANT BEST PRACTICES FOR THE CITY OF BERNIE.
I'M NOT GONNA KNEEJERK AND SAY, OH, FLOCK IS DANGEROUS, DEFUND IT, TAKE ALL THE CAMERAS OUT.
THAT'S, THAT TO ME IS IRRESPONSIBLE.
WE ARE NOT GONNA FIGHT AN ASYMMETRIC BATTLE AGAINST CRIME.
THE ENEMY, WE ARE NOT UNILATERALLY DISARMING THE ENEMY IS NOT DISARMING THE CARTELS, THE CRIMINALS, THE GANGS, THE INTERNATIONAL ACTORS.
THEY'RE USING ANYTHING THEY GOT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST DISARM, BUT WE ARE GONNA MAKE SURE WE, WE DO NOT WANNA A FILE OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL PRIVILEGES AND RIGHTS.
AND I THINK THAT WE ARE ILLUSTRATING TONIGHT BEST PRACTICES.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TO EVOLVE AND THERE'LL BE MORE THINGS WE HAVE TO DISCUSS.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH THOSE THINGS.
I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING SO LONG, BUT I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR SO QUITE A BIT AND I'VE TAKEN UP A LOT OF TIME WITH CHIEF AND BEN AND OUR ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED TO MY SATISFACTION.
I THINK, I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN.
IF Y'ALL WANNA PIGGYBACK ON WHAT I'VE SAID OR OTHER CONCERNS, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE OR OR CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY PLOT CAMERAS CREATE PROBABLE CAUSE FOR A STOP.
THEY JUST IDENTIFY WHERE A VEHICLE WAS AT A TIME.
SO THERE'S NO CREATION OF PROBABLE CAUSE.
UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REASON TO LOOK FOR THAT VEHICLE.
YOU'RE NOT PULLING UP THE DATA, HISTORICAL DATA FROM THREE WEEKS AGO AND JUST LOOKING AT EVERY LICENSE PLATE THAT PASSED THROUGH THAT CAMERA.
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC CAR THAT YOU IDENTIFIED IN SOME OTHER METHOD, EITHER BY EYEWITNESSES OR WHATEVER, SEARCHING FOR THAT, AND THEN IT'S SHOWING A HIT.
SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A, A MASS AGAINST THE, FOR THE DATA.
UM, THE OTHER THING WE, CAN YOU GO TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOWED THE SEVEN DAY 42%? I THINK.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT OR, OR OR KINDLY CLARIFY HERE.
SO 42% OF THAT IS OVER SEVEN DAYS.
THAT MEANS IN THAT FIRST SEVEN DAYS, 58% OF, OF IS, IS WHERE 58% OF YOUR SEARCHES ARE.
AND THEN YOU SAID OUR AVERAGE IS ALMOST 14.
TO GET THAT AVERAGE TO 14, IF OVER 58% IS, IS AT SEVEN DAYS, THAT MEANS THAT 42% WOULD HAVE TO BE 24, 25 DAYS.
TO GET THE AVERAGES TO WORK AT THAT 13.
SO I, 'CAUSE I, ONE OF MY, YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOU GO, OH, WHY DON'T WE SET THE, THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR HIGH WAS 17.4, SO LET'S PUT OUR RETENTION RATE AT 17.
THAT'S GOING TO REALLY LIMIT IT BECAUSE 17.4 IS THE AVERAGE WITH OVER 50% LESS THAN SEVEN.
THAT MEANS THAT 42% HAS TO BE IN THAT LATE TWENTIES, CLOSE TO THAT 30 RANGE.
SO I JUST THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALL NEED TO BE AWARE OF.
MATH, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE'S A MATH TEACHER, SO UNDERSTANDING PERCENTAGES, GOOD MATH, YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA BRING THOSE THINGS UP.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND TESTIMONY TODAY, KYLE.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SEARCH LOGS.
UM, ARE PLATE NUMBERS INCLUDED IN THE SEARCH LOGS AND THE AUDIT REPORTS AND THE AUDITS? MM-HMM
IT COULD TELL YOU WHAT THE PLATE WAS.
IT'LL, IT'LL TELL YOU THE CASE NUMBER AND THE PLATE THAT WAS, THEY WERE PUT IN THERE TO LOOK FOR.
SO IF, UM, AND THOSE CAN BE RETAINED.
THERE'S NO RULES RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS HOW, UM, WHAT THE RETENTION PERIOD IS FOR THOSE SEARCH LOGS.
THOSE AUTO LOGS, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THAT 30 DAY RETENTION.
AFTER THE 30 DAYS AND ALL THAT DATA IS GONE.
NOW YOU GOTTA REMEMBER IF IT'S A, A VEHICLE WITH MY, I LIVE HERE MM-HMM
I'M GOING THROUGH THESE CAMERAS.
I MEAN, THAT DAY'S GONNA KEEP GOING.
RIGHT? NO, I, I'M SORRY, I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE, UH, SOMEONE THAT DOES A SEARCH ON A VEHICLE.
THOSE SHOW UP IN AN AUDIT LOG.
WHO WAS SEARCHED? WHAT WAS THE CASE NUMBER? RIGHT.
UM, AND I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE SLIDES SAID THAT, THAT, UM, THAT TIME PERIOD HASN'T BEEN NAILED DOWN YET.
IT COULD BE MONTHLY OR ANNUALLY.
UH, AS FAR AS OUR, UH, YEAH, THE, UM, SORRY.
SO THE AUDIT LOG IS KEPT INDEFINITELY, RIGHT? SO I COULD GO BACK TO ALL THE WAY FROM INCEPTION AND DETERMINE WHAT AGENCIES QUERIED, WHAT OFFICER'S QUERIED.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE VEHICLE INFORMATION? THE PLATE? IT, IT, HOW DOES THAT SHOW UP ON MIKE? IF YOU LOOK AT AN OLD ONE, LIKE, I THINK THEY'RE ASKING CAN WE SEE THE PLATE? SO AN AUDIT LOG IS, IS LITERALLY LIKE A VERY BASIC EXCEL SHEET THAT THIS USER QUERIED THIS DATA ON THIS DATE.
IT DOESN'T SAY WHERE THAT DATA WAS.
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YOU ANY OF THAT INFORMATION.IT DOESN'T SAY THAT CAR SHOWED UP AT ALL.
IT JUST SHOWED THAT THAT PERSON DID A QUERY, UM, OF THAT.
BUT DOES IT SHOW THE PLATE NUMBER ON THE QUERY? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
AND SO, AND SO THE REASON THAT IS, UH, FOR INSTANCE, UH, AND THIS WAS OF Q4 OF LAST YEAR, UM, WHEN YOU FILE AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST AND YOU GET CERTAIN INFORMATION SUCH AS THE OFFICER SPECIFIC, THERE WAS ACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, RUINED 'CAUSE THAT OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.
SO WE STARTED TO REDACT, UM, SELECT INFORMATION IN THAT AUDIT RECORD.
'CAUSE UM, ONE THING THAT I'M, THAT I'D BE WORRIED ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, IF A VEHICLE WAS SEARCHED AND SHOWED UP IN AN AUDIT LOG, COULD THOSE AUDIT LOGS BE USED IN THE FUTURE? RIGHT? LET'S SAY SOMEONE, A VEHICLE GETS A HIT AND THEY CAN GO BACK AND SAY, LOOK, WELL THIS, THIS VEHICLE WAS, WAS, UM, SEARCHED, YOU KNOW, 6, 9, 12 MONTHS AGO.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND WOULD THAT IMPACT, UM, INVESTIGATIVE BIAS? SO I WOULD SAY THAT OTHER ENTITIES WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE OUR AUDIT LOG, IF THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO LIKE, IF MIDLAND PD SEARCHED OUR STUFF, DID THEY WANNA SEE, DID BERNIE EVER SEARCH THAT SIX MONTHS AGO? THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE ALL INTERNAL.
SO LIKE IF I COULD CHECK THAT AN OFFICER RAN A PLATE, IT ASTERISKS OUT THE PLATE.
SO IT DOESN'T TELL ME, AND EVEN IF I WENT TO THAT AUDIT LOG, IT DOESN'T ALLOW ME TO SEE THE LOCATION IN WHICH THAT PLATE HIT.
I COULD SEARCH A, B, C 1, 2, 3 RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
IT WOULD SHOW THAT I QUERIED THAT.
IT WOULD NOT TELL ME ANY DATA AFTER 30 DAYS OF IF THAT HIT ANYTHING.
IF THAT WAS A TYPO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA TELL ME.
IT'S JUST GONNA SHOW THAT MY USERNAME QUERIED THAT, THAT DATA, THAT PLATE.
UM, AND I ALSO, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE CASE NUMBER, THE BOGUS CASE NUMBERS.
I'VE WORKED IN SOFTWARE SYSTEMS FOR A COUPLE DECADES AND I KNOW THAT YOU CAN CREATE FAKE TICKETS TO SEARCH PRODUCTION SYSTEMS. SO, UM, I'M GLAD THAT THAT SAFEGUARD IS IN PLACE.
UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO EXPORT DATA.
UM, WHAT SAFEGUARDS ARE IN PLACE KEEPING SOMEBODY FROM GOING INTO THE FLOCK SYSTEM AND COPYING AND PASTING, UM, 30 DAYS WORTH OF DATA INTO AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET.
SO I WANT, SO I WANT TO CLARIFY.
YOU CAN EXPORT, UM, THE DATA OR YOU CAN EXPORT THAT IMAGE.
UM, WHAT'S PREVENTING YOU FROM DOING THAT 30 DAYS IS, IS EXACTLY WHY THAT TYPE OF DATA IS IN THE CLOUD.
SO YOU, AGAIN, EVEN DOWNLOADING ONE IMAGE TAKES, WELL, EVEN, WELL, NOT JUST, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT WITHIN YOUR SYSTEM THERE'S NOT A ROW BY ROW RECORD OF, OF, UH, PLATES AND LOCATIONS BEING STORED? UH, SO, SO THERE IS YES.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT WOULD BE VARIED.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, STORAGE TO WHAT IF, WHAT IF I WANTED A WEEK OR A DAY'S WORTH OF DATA? I MEAN, WHAT'S, I GUESS MY POINT IS WHAT'S, WHAT SAFEGUARDS ARE IN PLACE TO KEEPING, UH, LIEUTENANT FROM GOING IN AND JUST DRAGGING AND COPYING DATA AND PASTING IT INTO AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET? IT WOULD NEED TO GO INTO AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION AND AN ACTIVE LEAD.
SO IF THERE'S AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION AND THAT'S SPANNING TWO, THREE WEEKS, I'M GONNA DOWNLOAD THAT INFORMATION TO NEED IT FOR THAT ACTIVE INVESTIGATION.
SAY IT GOES TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SO THE CAPABILITY IS THERE TO DOWNLOAD THE IMAGE, BUT TO DOWNLOAD THE IMAGES OR THE, EVEN THE DATA EN MASS TO THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING WOULD BE VERY, VERY HARD TO DO.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE STORAGE COMPONENT TO DO THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE OUR STUFF IN THE CLOUD VERSUS, UH, CENTRAL CENTERS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO VIEW OF JUST A RUNNING LIST OF RECORDS THAT THAT IS AVAILABLE TO, UH, TO ANYBODY.
YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY, I THINK YOU, GETTING BACK TO MY QUESTION WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER TO GET A HIT.
YOU CAN'T JUST GET A LIST OF ALL THE LICENSE PLATE.
YOU CAN'T PLATE JUST GET A LIST OF THAT'S CORRECT.
AND ONE OTHER THING, JUST TO CLARIFY, 'CAUSE I ASKED THIS.
I WANNA MAKE SURE KYLE UNDERSTANDS IF YOU DING ME, IF I GET A DING ON MY PLATE FOR WHATEVER REASON, 'CAUSE I'M A LAW ABIDING PERSON AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE'S NOTHING THERE, WHAT HAPPENS TO MY DING? MY DING GOES AWAY.
YOU HAVE THE, YOU, THERE WAS NEVER AN INVESTIGATION OR ANY-ANYTHING.
IS IT DISAPPEAR IN 30 DAYS? YES.
SO THE AUDIT TRAIL NEVER DISAPPEARS.
SO IF I PING YOUR PLATE, THEN IT'S NEVER GONNA GO AWAY THAT I EVER TRIED TO PING YOUR PLATE.
SO IF THERE WAS EVER SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, YOU SAID LIKE, WHY WAS THIS BEING SEARCHED? HE FABRICATED A CASE NUMBER.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE JUST BUT SO ARE MISUSE OF ALL OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT SENSITIVE SYSTEMS. UM, BUT THAT WOULD ALWAYS BE RETAINED.
UH, OTHERWISE NO, IT WOULD GET DROPPED OFF IN THE 30 DAY MARGIN JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.
LIKE, SO IT'S GONNA GET SCRUBBED AND I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT WHAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING OF ALERTS AND PINGS.
LIKE, UM, IF OFFICERS WOULD GO IN THERE AND START LIKE A HOT LIST, LIKE IF YOU'RE A PART OF A KIDNAPPING OR YOU'VE BEEN KNOWN YOUR VEHICLE'S BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH AN AMBER ALERT, IT'S GONNA GET AUTOMATIC PING TO OUR DISPATCH CENTER.
OUR DISPATCH CENTER'S GONNA SAY, THIS IS WHERE THIS PLATE HIT.
UM, IF IT GOES OTHERWISE, LIKE IT'S NOT GONNA GO, I CAN'T TYPE IN, I WANT
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DR.MSOS PLATE TO COME UP AND PING ME EVERY TIME IT HAPPENS.
IT DOESN'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
BUT, BUT THE PING WOULD REQUIRE THE PING.
THE PING REQUIRES THAT THERE BE AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION, CORRECT? YES.
AND SO, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT IF, LET'S SAY THERE'S A CAR REPORTED STOLEN, YOU GET THAT PING, YOU VERIFY THAT THE CAR IS STILL STOLEN, YOU DON'T GO OVER THERE AND PULL OVER THE CAR AND DRAG THE GUY OUT AND ARREST HIM.
YOU DO POLICE WORK BEFORE THAT? YEAH.
THAT, THAT THEY ALERT, RIGHT? UM, WILL TRIGGER THAT ALERT.
AND SO IF OUR CAR GET, IF OUR OFFICERS GETS BEHIND THE CAR, THEY ARE THERE AND SAYING, DISPATCH, I'M BEHIND THIS CAR.
DISPATCH IS RUNNING THAT PLATE.
THEY CAN GET MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHO THE ENTITY IS, UH, THAT ENTERED THAT VEHICLE THAT STOLEN.
SO IT'LL SAY SAPD CASE NUMBER, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, CONFIRMED ACTIVE STOLEN.
THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S ALL THEY NEED TO NOW STOP THAT CAR.
SO, BUT IT'S A CAMERA, RIGHT? SO LIKE, IT COULD, IF, IF A CAMERA PINGS A, A STOLEN PLATE AND THAT IT SEES A W BUT IT'S ACTUALLY AN M THEN THAT IS, THAT OFFICER IS THE ONE WHO IS REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT A CAMERA DOESN'T HAVE ARREST AUTHORITY.
A CAMERA DOESN'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, AUTHORITY AS A POLICE OFFICER.
SO, AND I JUST WANNA, LET ME JUST REITERATE THIS ON THE MISUSE, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? CAN IT HAPPEN? IT'S HUMAN ERROR.
CAN IT HAPPEN? YES, IT CAN HAPPEN.
BUT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF IF WE ARE NOTIFIED OF ANY MISUSE, POLICY VIOLATION OR CRIMINAL LAW VIOLATION, ESPECIALLY THE OFFICERS, THE SUSPECT THAT'S GONNA BE IMMEDIATELY BE LOOKED INTO, THAT'S NOT GONNA WAIT TILL TOMORROW MORNING OR DO ANYTHING.
LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING WE TAKE SERIOUSLY.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA SWEEP UNDER THE RUG.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA CONDUCT OUR INVESTIGATION.
IF WE GOTTA CALL AN OUTSIDE ENTITY LIKE THE TEXAS RANGERS AND HANDLE THAT INVESTIGATION, WE CAN DO THAT.
WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH OUR KENNA COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO HANDLE THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THAT AS THERE'S A LOT OF TALK OF THAT MISUSE, BUT THERE'S ALSO ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE DISCIPLINE OF DETERMINATION WITH THAT AND ARREST CHARGES.
DR. MACK, YOU ASKED MOST OF MY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF PEREZ.
UH, NICK, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU IN A SECOND.
UM, ONE QUESTION JUST, UM, SAY, UH, STEVE, YOU LEAVE COUNSEL'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT, BEN LEAVES.
UM, CAN YOU KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT SCENARIO? LIKE WHAT IS YEAH.
WHAT WOULD CHANGE OR, OR WOULD NOTHING CHANGE? WHEN I RETIRE ONE DAY,
UH, THERE'S CHECKS AND BALANCES AS A CHIEF, IF I RETIRE AND GO WORK FOR A NEW AGENCY AND, YOU KNOW, BEN'S MY NEW BOSS AT MY DIFFERENT AGENCY, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED WITH THIS DEPARTMENT.
IF IT'S POLICY, SAY THEY'RE NOT AN ACCREDITED AGENCY AND THEY WANT TO BE ACCREDITED, ALTHOUGH POLICY IS GONNA BE CHANGED, IT'S GONNA BE REVIEWED, IT'S GONNA GO THERE, BUT IT'S GONNA GO BY BEST PRACTICE.
RIGHT? AND SO BY THEN I WOULD IMAGINE TEXAS POLICE CHIEFS, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S ALL BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW POLICY IN ORDER FOR US.
WE GET RE-ACCREDITED BACK IN IN 28, 2028, I GUARANTEE BY IF NOT THE END OF THE YEAR, FIRST PART OF NEXT YEAR, THERE'S GONNA BE A POLICY SPECIFIC TO EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE, IF NOT TIGHTER, UH, RESTRICTIONS ON THERE.
AND THOSE ARE GONNA BE MANDATED TO DO THAT.
CAN A NEW CHIEF COME IN HERE AND SAY, I DON'T CARE WHAT BEN SAYS, I'M GONNA DO MY POLICY MY WAY.
IS HE GONNA BE CHIEF FOR LONG? PROBABLY NOT.
I MEAN THAT'S, SEE WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO YOU.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT THEN SIMILARLY THAT IF COUNCIL HAD A DIRECTION THAT WAS, UM, LEADING AWAY FROM THAT, MY GUESS IS THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S JOB WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE AND TALK TO COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY FROM YOUR ACCREDITATION AND PROBABLY NOT THE BEST MOVE FOR THE CITY.
AND TO JOE'S POINT, PROBABLY NOT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD WANT TO KEEP IT SAFE.
SO, UM, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, LOTS OF SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE, AND PART OF OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS AS WELL, WITH WHICH WE DO WITH MANY THINGS.
UM, HEARD RESIDENTS CITE VARIOUS COURT CASES MM-HMM
CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE BINDING LEGAL PRESIDENT IS HERE IN THE FIFTH COURT REGARDING, UM, LICENSE PLATE READERS ON PUBLIC ROADS AND HOW COURTS DISTINGUISH THIS FROM CELL PHONE TRACKING? OH, THAT'S A GOOD ONE.
UH, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, OF COURSE, THE COURTS HAVE RECOGNIZED BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC LICENSE PLATE READERS THAT YOU THINK ABOUT TO GET TICKETS FOR RUNNING A RED LIGHT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
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I'M SORRY, THESE ARE NOT THOSE TYPE OF CAMERAS.UH, THOSE HAVE BEEN, UH, EFFECTIVELY BANNED IN TEXAS BY THE LEGISLATURE, THE LICENSE PLATE READERS OF INTERSECTIONS FOR THE PURPOSES OF TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.
UH, THESE CAMERAS THAT THE CHIEF HAS DESCRIBED, AND THE THE SPEAKERS HAVE DESCRIBED, HAVE BEEN REVIEWED, UH, BY A NUMBER OF COURTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
MOST OF THOSE REVIEWS HAVE BEEN RECENT.
UH, THERE IS A FIFTH CIRCUIT CASE CALLED CARPENTER VERSUS UNITED STATES, UH, INVOLVING A NETWORK OF CAMERAS, UH, THAT RETAIN DATA OVER TIME.
AND WHETHER THE, THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER, UH, THE CAMERAS CONSTITUTED A BROAD LOCATION TRACKING SYSTEM, WHICH COULD REQUIRE A WARRANT TO OBTAIN THE DATA ON, UH, THE CASE IN THE FIFTH CIRCUIT THAT ANSWERED THAT QUESTION FOR TEXAS IS THE PORTER CASE FROM THE FIFTH CIRCUIT.
AND IT FOUND THAT CAMERAS SUCH AS THE FLOCK CAMERAS DO NOT CONSTITUTE THAT TYPE OF A CAMERA WITH A BROAD AREA, UH, TRACKING CAPABILITY.
SO, UH, THEY DO NOT REQUIRE A WARRANT, AND THEIR USE DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A FOURTH AMENDMENT SEARCH OR FOURTH AMENDMENT PRIVACY VIOLATION.
THERE ARE SOME CASES IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, UH, THEY'VE ALL REACHED THE SAME CONCLUSION EXCEPT FOR ONE, ONE TRIAL COURT, UH, WHICH DIDN'T GO UP TO THE LEVEL OF THE COURTS I'M SPEAKING ABOUT.
SO WE'VE EXAMINED ALL THE, UH, CASES UP TO AND INCLUDING LAST FRIDAY IN THE US AND NONE OF THEM HAVE FOUND A FOURTH AMENDMENT ISSUE OR OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF A PROGRAM LIKE WE HAVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT AS THE CHIEF WAS WORKING ON HIS NEW ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE, UM, HE ASKED US TO DO THAT TYPE OF RESEARCH AND TO, WE ENGAGED WITH THE MAJOR CITY'S POLICE CHIEF ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ENTITIES THAT, UH, THE CHIEF MENTIONED.
AND THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF INFORMATION TO THEIR MEMBERS, WHICH OF COURSE, OUR OFFICERS ARE MEMBERS, UH, AND THE CITIES AND MEMBERS.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, DEAL WITH THE COUNCIL AT THAT ORGANIZATION AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT OUR, OUR, OUR SEARCH WAS GOOD.
AND THAT THE INFORMATION THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE NEW DIRECTIVE THAT THE CHIEF JUST RECENTLY ISSUED, UH, TRACKS ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN FROM THE MAJOR CITY CHIEFS ASSOCIATION AND FROM THE CASE LAW THAT I MENTIONED.
THAT'S WHY THIS PARTICULAR VERSION HAS SOME ADDITIONAL AUDIT REQUIREMENTS, REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
AND AS MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, THE PROTECTIONS OF ANY TYPE OF CHANGE IN THE SYSTEM THAT MIGHT CAPTURE IMAGES OR FACIAL RECOGNITION THAT COMES TO YOU FIRST.
SO ALL THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE NEW POLICY AND THE CHIEFS RUN EVERYTHING BY US AND WE'VE, UH, COMPARED IT TO THE CASE LAW I MENTIONED.
AND BY THE WAY, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THERE'S NO TEXAS STATUTE THAT REGULATES THIS TYPE OF, UH, TOOL FOR POLICE.
THERE WAS A BILL INTRODUCED, UH, THE LAST SESSION THAT DID NOT PASS.
AND SO THERE MAY BE SOME MORE LEGISLATIVE ACTION WHEN THERE IS, WE'LL IMMEDIATELY, UH, COMPARE OUR POLICY TO WHATEVER MAY PASS THE LEGISLATURE.
UM, FAD FOLKS EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND WANTING TO SEE SEARCH RECORDS UNDER, UH, TEXAS LAW AND OUR OWN DIRECTIVE, HOW OUR AUDIT REPORTS, QUERY SUMMARIES AND VENDOR CONTRACTS TREATED UNDER THE TEXAS PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT.
UH, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS ABOUT THAT YET.
UH, BUT IT'S BASICALLY LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORDS.
UH, THE, THERE ARE SOME TRANSPARENT RECORDS THAT I THINK THE CHIEF'S ALREADY MENTIONED.
SO POLICE RECORDS, POLICE DATA THAT IS NOT IN, IN INVOLVED IN AN ONGOING OR BEGINNING OF AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION.
PORTIONS OF THOSE, THAT INFORMATION CAN BE RELEASED.
SO SOME OF THIS DATA MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO THAT FOR THE 30 DAYS THAT IT EXISTS.
UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORD AND A SECURITY, UH, DEVICE RECORD.
THESE CAMERAS ARE CONSIDERED SECURITY DEVICES AS WELL AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL.
SO UNDER THE OPEN, UH, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT IN TEXAS, THEY'RE GENERALLY
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NOT DIS NOT, UH, RELEASABLE TO PUBLIC.AND THEN, UH, LAST ONE, UM, FROM A MUNICIPAL LIABILITY AND LEGAL STANDPOINT, HOW DOES OUR 30 DAY RETENTION WINDOW COMPARE TO WHAT FEDERAL COURTS HAVE UPHELD AND WHAT ARE COUNSEL'S OPTIONS IF WE CHOSE TO ADJUST THAT WINDOW? THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE DATA, UH, RETENTION PERIOD IS IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR, UH, OPERATIONAL REASONS.
UH, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE IN THE DATA THAT THE, THE CHIEF AND THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE DISCUSSED THE COURT CASES THAT HAVE, THAT WE, THE MAJOR COURT CASES THAT IS THE FEDERAL CASES THAT HAVE REACHED THE LEVEL OF A CIRCUIT COURT AND REPORTED OPINIONS ALL INVOLVED EITHER 30 OR 21 DAY RETENTION PERIODS.
UM, ONLY ONE OF THE COURT, EVEN ONE OF THOSE COURT CASES THAT WE'RE AWARE OF EVEN, UM, MENTIONED THE RETENTION PERIOD AND, UH, DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE 21 DAY THAT WAS, THAT WAS IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT ON AUGUST 17TH, THE CITY OF DALLAS RENEWED, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AND THE, THE CHIEF RENEWED THEIR ONE YEAR RETENTION PERIOD FOR DATA.
SO IT'S REALLY UP TO A LOCAL POLICY.
AND ONE OF THE JUDGES IN ONE OF THE CASES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, DID POINT OUT THAT IF THEY REALLY BECOME A LOT MORE PROLIFIC, THE COURTS WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHETHER THEY DO CONSTITUTE AN OVERALL TRACKING SYSTEM.
BUT SO FAR THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.
AND I THINK DATA RETENTION GOES INTO THAT REVIEW.
SO, UH, WE COULD SEE IN THE FUTURE, DEPENDING ON HOW THESE TOOLS PROLIFERATE, SOME COURT LOOK AT WHETHER RETENTION SHOULD BE LIMITED.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT EVERY, EVERY COURT'S, UH, DEFERRED TO THE LOCAL POLICY.
I WOULD ADD TO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY HARD TO KIND OF, UH, HAVE A CONVERSATION ON WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN OR WHAT MAY BE RULED ON AT THE STATE LEVEL OR AT THE COURT LEVEL.
SO I DO WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
I THINK IT WAS PRETTY WELL COVERED BY MOST OF, UH, THE COUNSEL HERE.
UM, BUT I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH OFFICER SCHMIDT LAST WEEK AND HE SHOWED ME REAL TIME HOW THE PORTAL WORKS, UM, AND SOME OF THE SAFEGUARDS IN THERE.
UM, AND IT IS A VERY, UM, POWERFUL TOOL, RIGHT? AND JUST LIKE ANY TOOL, IF IT'S ABUSED OR MISUSED BY PEOPLE IN AUTHORITY, THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE AND THAT WOULDN'T BE ANY DIFFERENT HERE.
UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME INTERNAL, UM, SAFEGUARDS.
SO REMIND ME OF SOMEBODY LOGS IN MORE THAN ONCE OR DOES A SEARCH MORE THAN ONCE IN THE LOGIN, IT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS A REQUIREMENT FOR OFFICER SCHMIT TO GO IN AND MANUALLY LOOK AT THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY WASN'T DOING SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE.
SO WHAT BROUGHT MY EYE TO THAT WAS THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS USED REAL TIME.
THE OFFICER HAD DONE A COUPLE OF QUERIES IN A SHORT ORDER OF TIME, LIKE IN A TWO MINUTE PERIOD.
AND MY QUESTION WAS, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? WHY WOULD YOU QUERY SO OFTEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE PORTAL, IT TELLS YOU QUERY THE LAST 48 HOURS QUERY.
I FORGET THE NUMBERS, SEVEN DAYS, SEVEN TWO HOURS, SEVEN DAYS, 14 DAYS.
SO AS YOU'RE AN OFFICER CLICKING ON IT TRYING TO EXPAND YOUR SEARCH ON A REQUEST THAT'S VALID BECAUSE THERE'S A CASE NUMBER.
UM, IT'S GOING TO SHOW YOU MULTIPLE SEARCHES, BUT IT'S GONNA TRIGGER OFFICER SMITH TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO THERE'S INTERNAL SAFEGUARDS AS WELL.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN, AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT BECOMES A, A QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS OR ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY OR PRIVACY.
UM, BUT I DO THINK IT WARRANTS CONVERSATIONS AROUND WHERE THE LINE IS DRAWN AROUND, UM, CITY GOVERNANCE AND WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS.
I DON'T WANT THE CITY COUNCIL EVER BEING IN THE POSITION OF TALKING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF WHERE CAMERAS SHOULD GO, FOR EXAMPLE.
RIGHT? BUT IF THERE'S GONNA BE AN EXPANSION OF TECHNOLOGIES, I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT SHOULD COME ACROSS CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO, UM, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS A COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE THAT, UM, UH, WAS BROUGHT UP ON THE AVERAGES.
I THINK THAT'S A VALID POINT, BUT I THINK ALSO ANOTHER LAYER OF THAT AS YOU PEEL IT BACK IS WHAT IS THE SUBSTANTIAL OUTCOME OF THOSE CASES, RIGHT? OF THOSE THAT WERE, UH, FILED IN THE FIRST SEVEN DAYS VERSUS 14 DAYS.
THAT INFORMATION, WHAT WAS THE IMPACT THAT, THE OUTCOME OF THE CASE? AND I KNOW THAT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF DATA CRUNCHING TO KIND OF CORRELATE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT MY POSITION AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, I WOULD THINK 21 DAYS COVERS THAT 17 DAYS.
IT MAY FALL LITTLE SHORTER IF THAT LAW OF AVERAGES OF 24 DAYS.
UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE JUST TO SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS ARE AND THE OUTCOME OF THE CASE.
SO THE METRICS REALLY COME DOWN TO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN, OKAY, IT'S GONNA SHOW A QUERY OF IMMEDIATELY IF WE GET A STOLEN VEHICLE AND WE HAVE TO GO FIND THAT VEHICLE.
'CAUSE HEY, THAT VEHICLE JUST DROVE DOWN 46 AND WE NEED TO GET IT NOW.
THAT'S GONNA SHOW AN INSTANT QUERY.
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SEE THESE AVERAGES COME INTO PLAY IS THE INVESTIGATION SIDE.UM, WE, WE BROUGHT UP JUST RECENTLY, RIGHT? IT WAS, UH, IT WAS LABOR DAY JUST RECENTLY.
WELL, IF A DETECTIVE WORKS THURSDAY, THEY DON'T COME BACK TO WORK UNTIL TUESDAY.
OKAY? IF THEY'RE FRI THEIR LAST DAY IS THURSDAY, THEY DON'T COME BACK TILL TUESDAY.
SO BEFORE THAT, DETECTIVE HAS EVEN HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A CASE OR HAVE THE PAPER TOUCH HIS DESK OR EVEN BE AWARE OF A CASE.
WE'RE, WE'RE AT DAY FIVE, DAY SIX.
SO BY THE TIME THEY GET A CHANCE, LIKE THOSE, THAT'S WHY WE REALLY AGAINST THE SEVEN DAYS NOW, ARE THE ONES IN SEVEN DAYS POTENTIALLY LIKE VERY SERIOUS, VERY LIFESAVING KIDNAPPING.
'CAUSE IF A POLICE OFFICER GETS A CALL FOR A KIDNAPPING, THEY'RE QUERYING NOW, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU GET A CALL FOR, HEY, WE NEED TO SEE SOMEBODY STOLE A CAR OVER THE WEEKEND AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION, THAT QUERY MAY TAKE A LONGER INVESTIGATION AND IT MAY BE DRAWN INTO THAT 30 DAY, 21 DAY WINDOW, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE CASES AND LONG-TERM INVESTIGATIONS.
I CAN APPRECIATE THE OUTLIERS AND THEN FOCUSING ON THE MEDIAN, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, WHERE I'D LIKE TO LOOK TO SEE IN THE CASES, IN THE MEDIAN, WHAT DOES THAT DELINEATION LOOK LIKE AND THE OUTCOME OF CASES THAT WERE WITHIN THE WINDOW OR OUTSIDE THE WINDOW AT SEVEN DAYS, 14 DAYS, AND 21 DAYS.
AND THE OUTCOME, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OUTLIERS, YOU KNOW, IT'S BROUGHT UP OFTEN IT'S THE, UM, SEXUAL ASSAULTS AND THOSE KIND OF OUTCRY CASES.
I WORKED IN CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAW FIRM FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND SOMETIMES VICTIMS DON'T COME FORWARD FOR DECADES.
SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUTLIERS, YOU KNOW, THE IMMEDIATE HIT ON A CAR THAT POPS UP IN YOU, THE FIRST SEVEN, YOU KNOW, FIRST DAY VERSUS SOME OF THOSE OUTLIER CASES, I GET THAT THERE'S EXAMPLES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE DATA LOOKS LIKE AT THE MEDIAN AND AND PURPOSES OF THE CONVERSATION OF COUNCIL COMING TOGETHER AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, 21 DAYS SOUNDS RIGHT, YOU KNOW, I THINK LOOKING AT EXTREMES 365, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS LIKE AN EXTREME TO ME AS WELL, UM, IN DALLAS.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK FOR WHAT'S HERE IMPORTANT AND LOCALLY AT BERNIE, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, DAWNED ON ME IN THESE CONVERSATIONS IN THE LAST WEEK IS THAT WE ARE A TRUSTING COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE WE LIVE IN A SAFE COMMUNITY AND WE TEND TO LET OUR GUARD DOWN.
AND FOR THAT REASON, WE ARE ALSO A TARGET.
IT'S NOT THAT HARD FOR A CRIMINAL TO GO, HEY, WHERE IS THE SOFT TARGET? AND SO IF IT HELPS, YOU KNOW, DIMINISH THAT TYPE OF, UM, PERCEPTION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR US AS WELL.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY, NICOLE BISHOP, SPOKE TO THAT AS WELL.
AND SHE GOES TO A LOT OF THESE, UH, THESE TRAININGS AND THESE DIFFERENT CONFERENCES WHERE THEY LEARN ABOUT CRIME IN THE AREA.
AND THESE, THESE PEOPLE THAT DO, ESPECIALLY THESE LIKE MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT, CRIME RINGS, THESE BURGLARY, THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY TARGET AFFLUENT COMMUNITIES LIKE THE CITY OF BERNIE, THOSE PEOPLE WILL DO RESEARCH AND SAY, WHO HAS LPRS? OH, THEY DON'T HAVE LPR AND A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
UM, IT CAN I FIND THE ACTUAL, HOW MANY CRIMES DID THIS PREVENT? IT'S NOT REALLY A METRIC THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SOLVE.
HOW MANY TIMES DID THE VEHICLE NOT GET STOLEN? I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET, GATHER THAT DATA, RIGHT? BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, PEOPLE WILL SEARCH FOR THE SOFT TARGET, AND THAT'S JUST A FACT.
AND IF WE'RE NOT A SOFT TARGET, WE'RE BETTER PROTECTED ABOUT CAN I HAVE ONE THING? AND I SAID THIS LAST TIME, BUT I WANTED TO SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE SPEAKERS WHO WERE HERE AND JUST SAY IT, THE CRIME ISSUE, UM, POTENTIAL CRIME ISSUE, OBVIOUSLY FEAR OF THE CAMERA SYSTEM CAN BE OVERBLOWN.
FEAR OF ANY SYSTEM CAN BE OVERBLOWN AND TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE PARALYZED AND YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT REASONABLE.
BUT THE 10 I I, I SPECIFICALLY ASKED, UH, DIRECTOR CARROLL TO QUERY TDOT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC COUNT IN 2025 FOR THE 10 MAJOR INTERSECTIONS IN AND IN INTERFACE WITH BERNIE I 10 AND 46 MAIN STREET AT BANK OF BLANCO, BANDERA, 87 HERF ROAD, ET CETERA, 87.5 MILLION VEHICLES IN 2025 TRAVERSED THOSE KEY POINTS IN BURNING.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ALIA, COMFORT, WELFARE, WHATEVER.
SO WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SITUATION BECAUSE OF OUR PROXIMITY TO THE SIX LARGEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY.
AND BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE ARE CRIMINAL GANGS THAT OPERATE SOME CONNECTED TO THE CARTEL, SOME CONNECTED TO THEIR OWN LITTLE NETWORKS.
SO I, I THINK THE PUMPING NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT SITUATION.
UH, SO WE CAN'T LET OUR FEAR OF THE CAMERA SYSTEM OVERRIDE OUR CONCERN ABOUT THE REALITY OF EXPOSURE THAT THIS COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY AND STATE HIGHWAYS THAT ALL CRISSCROSS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT DELY MEANS WE'RE A HIGH CRIME PER SE, BUT IT DOES CREATE OPPORTUNITY.
THERE'S NO QUESTION, TO YOUR POINT, CRIMINALS ARE NOT STUPID AND SOME ARE STUPID, BUT, BUT THE GOOD ONES ARE NOT STUPID.
UH, THEY DO THEIR RESEARCH AND, UH, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT POINT AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T MEAN TO REWIND THE CLOCK, BUT I DID HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
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IF YOU'LL ENTERTAIN IT, PLEASE.UM, AND MAYBE THE FLOCK GENTLEMAN CAN HELP ME ANSWER THIS.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, TRANSPARENCY IN THE AUDIT SITE.
UM, IS IT, IS THAT HOSTED BY FLOCK? UH, THE, SO THE AUDIT ASSISTANCE TOOL IS AUTOMATICALLY FOR THE CUSTOMER.
AND THEN THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, WE CUSTOMIZE IT FULLY, UH, UPGRADE IT FOR THE CUSTOMER AND ALLOW THEM TO PUT THAT ON THEIR EXISTING PORTAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME.
ALRIGHT, MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN
[7.A. 026-412 CONSIDER RESOLUTION NO. 2026-R50; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF BOERNE, TEXAS, AUTHORIZING SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR A PROMOTING RESILIENT OPERATIONS FOR TRANSFORMATIVE, EFFICIENT, AND COST-SAVING TRANSPORTATION (PROTECT) COMPETITIVE GRANT PROGRAM RESILIENCE IMPROVEMENT GRANT; AFFIRMING THAT THE 2022 CITY OF BOERNE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN SUPPORTS THE PROPOSED PROJECT; COMMITTING THE REQUIRED NON-FEDERAL LOCAL MATCHING FUNDS; AND PROVIDING FOR RELATED MATTERS.]
A, READ RESOLUTIONS 7 8 20 26 DASH FOUR 12.CONSIDER RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026 R 50 RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF BERNIE, TEXAS.
AUTHORIZED SUBMISSION OF THE APPLICATION TO THE US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR PROMOTING RESILIENT OPERATIONS FOR TRANSFORMATIVE DEFICIENT AND COST SAVING TRANSPORTATION COMPETITIVE GRANT PROGRAM RESILIENCE AND IMPROVEMENT GRANT FOR PRESENTING.
JEFF CAROL, JEFF EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UH, YES, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A UPCOMING PROTECT GRANT APPLICATION.
UM, IT LIES OUR, ALIGNS TO OUR STRATEGY MAP SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, SO WHAT IS THE PROTECT GRANT? WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS HEARD? I MEAN, SO AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE APPLIED FOR SEVERAL ROADWAY SAFETY GRANTS OVER THE YEARS.
UM, BUT THE PROTECT GRANT IS A VERY SPECIFIC FEDERAL GRANT PROGRAM FOR RESILIENCY, UM, FOR MAKING STUFF SAFER DURING FLOODS OR MANY OF THE TOPICS ALONG THOSE LINES.
IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE.
UM, BUT WHEN THE NEWEST GRANT APPLICATION CAME OUT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND WE READ IT, WE INSTANTLY THOUGHT OF OUR MANGER CREEK PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN PROGRESSING THE DESIGN ALONG, UM, FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
AS YOU KNOW, MANGER CREEK AND OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD, OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD'S, ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR BUSIER ROADWAYS.
IT HAS OVER 10,000 CARS A DAY, UM, ON THAT ROADWAY.
WE HAVE AN EXISTING LOW WATER CROSSING THERE PICTURE HERE, UH, DURING A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD EVENT THAT'S 10 FEET DEEP AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN A FATALITY IN THAT AREA IN THE PAST, IN THE 2002 FLOOD.
UM, AND WHEN THAT LOCATION IS UNDERWATER, WHICH, UM, EVEN THE SMALLEST RAIN EVENTS, THAT LOCATION IS UNDERWATER, IT BLOCKS ACCESS TO THE BERNIE PD OFFICE, UH, THE WW TRC AS WELL AS TWO BURN SCHOOLS.
AND, UH, THE MEADOWLANDS CHARTER SCHOOL, UH, ARE NOT ABLE TO GET BACK AND FORTH FROM THE MAIN TOWN TO THE SOUTH END OF TOWN.
UM, SO WE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED THIS LOCATION IN THE 2022 DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN.
WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DESIGNING IT, SO WE ARE 90% OF THE WAY DESIGNED TODAY.
UM, SO THAT'S THE BRIDGE, UM, UTILITY RELOCATES AND A LOT OF THE EFFORT THAT GOES WITH THAT.
AND TODAY, WITH THE, THE LAST BUDGET THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY APPROVED, WE HAVE THIS ALLOCATED FOR FUTURE CONSTRUCTION IN THE FISCAL YEAR 28 AND 29 TIMEFRAME.
UH, THIS PROTECT GRANT APPLICATION IS DUE ON OCTOBER 9TH.
SO IT CAME OUT FAST AND IT WAS DUE VERY FAST.
SO WE WERE WORKING AS FAST AS WE CAN.
UM, PROJECTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ANNOUNCED IN DECEMBER, AND IF WE ARE ACCEPTED, THIS WILL BASICALLY GET US A 80% REIMBURSEMENT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO SPEND THE MONEY AND WE'D GET REIMBURSED.
SO RIGHT NOW OUR COST ESTIMATE FOR THIS PROJECT IS ABOUT 12 AND A HALF, $13 MILLION.
UH, SO IT'D BE GREAT IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET REIMBURSED ON THAT.
THAT'LL GIVE US FUNDS TO DO MANY OTHER STORM WATER PROJECTS THAT WE COULD THINK OF.
UM, AND I DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IT.
THIS IS A PICTURE DURING THE JULY 15TH RAIN EVENT.
IT WAS UNDERWATER, UH, FOR THE NEXT DAY AS MIN CREEK CONTINUED TO FLOW.
UH, SO HERE TONIGHT WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT TO GET US TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THAT GRANT APPLICATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR COUNCIL? NO, IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY.
UH, TODD MAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AS READ BY YOU.
APPROVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN BUNKER, PLEASE VOTE.
[7.B. 2026-254 CONSIDER RESOLUTION NO. 2026-R51; A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF BOERNE, TEXAS, FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE BUC-EE’S WAY ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE PROJECT TO BUC-EE’S LTD, FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,090,000]
B 20 26 2 54, CONSIDER RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026 R 51, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY OF BURN TEXAS FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE BUCKIES WAY ROADWAY AND TRAININGS PROJECT FOR AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED NINE 1 MILLION AND $90,000.SO THIS TIES TO OUR STRATEGY MAP IN, UH, A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.
UH, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE SEWER CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED HERE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
UM, SO BUCKY'S WAY PER OUR DEVELOPMENT RULES, THEY'RE GONNA EXTEND, UM, BUCKY'S WAY ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT, WHICH IS REALLY A KIND OF A CONTINUATION OF MAIN STREET.
IT INCLUDES A FOUR LANE ROAD, A CENTER MEDIAN, AND A TURN LANE INTO THE BUCKYS.
UH, IT ALSO HAS STORM DRAIN AND INLETS AND EVERYTHING THAT KIND OF GO WITH A MAJOR ROADWAY LIKE THIS.
UM, PER THE AGREEMENT, BASICALLY THEY'RE DOING THIS AS A PUBLIC BID.
SO THEY PUT IT OUT TO BID IN JULY OF 2026.
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THE LOW BID IS S AND D CONTRACTORS INC, UH, FOR AN AMOUNT OF 1,000,038, UH, 38,979 AND 60 CENTS.UM, BASICALLY ONCE THIS PROJECT IS BID IS BUILT AND ACCEPTED BY THE CITY, THAT'S WHEN THE REIMBURSEMENT CLAUSE WILL KICK IN.
TONIGHT IS ALL WE'RE DOING IS APPROVING THE REIMBURSEMENT CONCEPT AS PER THE DA.
UM, AND THEN THE FUNDS FOR THIS ARE ALLOCATED IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS CONSTRUCTION FUND.
UM, SO QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT ASK IS WHEN ARE THEY GONNA GET BUILDING THIS THING? UM, SO THEY HAVE A PRE-CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 21ST.
THAT'S THE DATE THAT THEY SELECTED AND SCHEDULED.
THEY HAVE, THE PLANS ARE APPROVED, THEY HAVE A CONTRACTOR IN PLACE, SO THEY, ONCE WE HAVE THAT PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING, THEY CAN GET UNDERWAY AS SOON AS THEY WOULD LIKE TO.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OF THIS RESOLUTION.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS A SUGGESTION IN THE MEDIA THAT WHY IS BERNIE SPENDING ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS ON BUCKY'S? UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT.
THE AGREEMENT FROM DATES TO 20 15 20 16 ALWAYS SAID THAT THE ROAD WAS GONNA BE PAID FOR BY BERNIE.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT WITH THE AMENDMENT, BUCKY'S IS BUILDING THE ROAD AND WE ARE REIMBURSING THEM OVER TIME.
SO THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN ANYTHING.
THERE'S NOT A NEW AMOUNT OF MONEY, IT'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION WE CONTINUE TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
UM, MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026 R 51, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF BURN, TEXAS, FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE BUCKY'S WAY ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE PROJECT TO BUCKY'S LTD FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 1 MILLION AND $90,000.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN WILLISON, PLEASE VOTE.
[7.C. 2026-409 CONSIDER RESOLUTION NO. 2026-R52; A RESOLUTION RATIFYING THE EMERGENCY EXPENDITURE BY CITY STAFF AND AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF HVAC EQUIPMENT AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER FROM SOUTHLAND INDUSTRIES THROUGH BUYBOARD CONTRACT NO. 720-23, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $178,551.13.]
2026 DASH 4 0 9, CONSIDER RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026 R 52, RATIFYING THE EMERGENCY EXPENDITURE BY CITY STAFF AND AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE INSTALLATION OF AVAC EQUIPMENT AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER FROM SOUTH END INDUSTRIES THROUGH BY BOARD CONTRACT NUMBER SEVEN 20 DASH 23 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $178,551 AND 13 CENTS LIZETTE.GOOD EVENING COUNSEL AND MAYOR, I AM HERE TONIGHT TO ASK FOR A RATIFICATION ON EMERGENCY PURCHASE FOR THE HVAC SYSTEM.
UH, THE THIS PURCHASE ALIGNS WITH THE FOLLOWING THREE OBJECTIVES.
AND BACK IN MARCH OF 2026, STAFF ISSUED AN EMERGENCY HVAC REPLACEMENT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SPECIFICALLY THE SECOND FLOOR.
THE SECOND FLOOR HOSTS MAJORITY OF THE OFFICES, UH, FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
WE HAD TWO UNITS THAT RETIRED, AS YOU CAN SEE, ONE WAS 16 YEARS OLD, ONE WAS 17 YEARS OLD.
AS A REMINDER, THIS BUILDING IS RAN 24 7.
SO OUR HVAC SYSTEMS ARE RUNNING DOUBLE.
UM, WE HAVE NOW INSTALLED BOTH UNITS AS OF LAST FRIDAY AND WHICH IS WHY I AM HERE TODAY IN FRONT OF YOU.
MAYOR, I MIGHT ADD, UM, WHILE WE INITIATED THE EMERGENCY PURCHASE, WE RAN INTO MANUFACTURING ISSUES SHORTLY THEREAFTER, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S BEST TAKEN THIS LONG.
OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? ANY MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BUNKER? YEAH, I MOVE.
WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026 R 52 RESOLUTION, RATIFYING THE EMERGENCY EXPENDITURE BY CITY STAFF AND AUTHOR AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF HVAC EQUIPMENT AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER FROM SOUTHLAND INDUSTRIES THROUGH BY BOARD CONTRACT NUMBER SEVEN 20 DASH 23 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $178,551 AND 13 CENTS.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN WILSON, PLEASE VOTE.
DOES THAT, MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM
[8.A. 2026-417 BOERNE HERITAGE VOLKSPARK PROJECT UPDATE]
EIGHT, A CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.TWO ITEMS ON MY REPORT TONIGHT.
FIRST I'M GOING TO ASK DIRECTOR HEMANEZ TO STAY.
SHE'S GONNA GIVE A UPDATE ABOUT VOL PARK AND THEN AFTER THAT I'LL GIVE MY MONTHLY PROJECT REPORT.
ALL RIGHT,
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE GIVEN, PROVIDED A, UH, A CONSTRUCTION UPDATE LAST TIME I WAS HERE IN FRONT OF YOU WITHIN FEBRUARY.
SO I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE, THE BIG KEY ITEMS FOR US.
AS OF NOW, THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE HAS BEEN COMPLETE.
THE MAIN WATER LINE HAS BEEN COMPLETE.
THE DOG PARK HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY RELEASED TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
UH, THE SPLASH PAD, MECHANICAL ROOM AND WATER FEATURES HAVE BEEN INSTALLED.
AND THE PARKS MAINTENANCE STORAGE HAS BEEN INSTALLED AS WELL.
WE ARE CURRENTLY JUST THIS WEEK ARE WORKING ON THE ROAD BASE FOR THE PARK ROAD AND FOR THE PARKING LOT.
SO WE WILL SOON HAVE A PAVED ROAD THROUGH THE PARK.
UM, AND WE'RE 90% COMPLETE ON INSTALLING THE SITE LIGHTINGS.
AND WE'RE 75% COMPLETE INSTALLING THE STORM WATER AND LID FEATURES.
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THE LID FEATURES 'CAUSE THAT IS ALL UNDERGROUND.THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SEE THAT WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING BY, BUT THAT IS A, A BIG MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT.
SO THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION IS MORE ABOUT, UM, VISUAL EFFECTS.
SO THE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE PLAYGROUND AND WE'RE GONNA GO AND ORDER FROM THE SKATE PARK.
SO FROM THE SKATE PARK WILL BE THE PLAYGROUND.
THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE.
HOWEVER, THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON THE POUR IN PLACE.
SO IT'S THE SURFACE OF THE PLAYGROUND.
WE DID CONTINUE THE NATURAL INSPIRED, UH, THEME THROUGHOUT THE PARK.
SO IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, YOU'LL SEE A CONTINUANCE OF NATURE AND THE PORN PLACE.
I'M GONNA MOVE NOW TO THE SITE.
THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AT THE PARK THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PLAYGROUND UNDER THE TREE CANOPY.
UH, THROUGHOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT AGES, AGE ZONES OF THE PLAYGROUND, WE'LL HAVE A TOTAL ABOUT 10 PICNIC TABLES AND BENCHES FOR THE PUBLIC TO SIT AT.
AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE SPLASH PAD.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHAT OUR SPLASH PAD LOOKS LIKE.
WE DO HAVE THE WATER FEATURES INSTALLED.
WE HAVE A, ROUGHLY A TOTAL OF 23 WATER FEATURES FOR THE PUBLIC.
EVENTUALLY AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THIS.
WE'LL HAVE FIVE CIRCULAR PICNIC TABLES UNDER THE SHAA STRUCTURE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SIX BENCHES AROUND THE SPLASH PAD.
IS THE BASKETBALL COURT CURRENTLY ON THE LEFT? THAT'S WHAT THE BASKETBALL COURT LOOKS LIKE.
THE PAVILION IS UP, THE LIGHTS ARE IN.
UM, BUT THE END PRODUCT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE THE IMAGE ON YOUR RIGHT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A GREEN BORDER.
THE MAIN BASKETBALL COURT IS GRAY.
THE FREE THROW ZONE IS RED, AND THE KEY IS THE DARK PURPLE.
SO AGAIN, TWO BASKETBALL COURTS WILL BE LIT AND OPEN FOR, UM, RENTAL IF NEEDED.
THIS TWO WILL BE PROPER HEIGHT OF A, YOU GOT IT.
SO MIGHT AS WELL PRACTICE NOW, THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
THIS IS WHAT OUR, THIS IS WHAT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS CURRENTLY LOOK LIKE.
AGAIN, A REMINDER OF 12 PICKLEBALL COURTS.
I'M GONNA HAVE Y'ALL FOCUS ON THIS CENTER RIGHT HERE IN THE CENTER.
THIS IS GONNA BE OUR SOCIAL GATHERING LOCATION FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURT.
AS YOU KNOW, PICKLEBALL IS A VERY SOCIAL GAME, SO WE WILL BE PROVIDING SHADE STRUCTURE IN THAT CENTERPIECE, UH, SURROUNDED BY SOME VEGETATION AS WELL AS PICNIC, NOT PICNIC TABLES, BUT TABLES SUCH AS THIS RIGHT HERE.
AND CHAIRS INSIDE OR UNDER THE, UH, SHADE STRUCTURE.
UH, YOU WILL SEE VIEWING TABLES ON AT EVERY, EVERY COURT.
UM, THIS IS WHAT THE SHEA STRUCTURE WILL LOOK LIKE UP HERE.
AND THEN OUR FENCE, 'CAUSE THIS OUR, THE PERIMETER OF THE PICKLEBALL, I'M SORRY, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WILL BE 10 FEET.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT FENCE BACK THERE.
SO YOU CAN VIEW ALL THE GAMES.
UH, WE WILL PROVIDE BENCHES, UH, INSIDE THE COURT AS WELL.
AND THEN EVEN ADDITIONAL BENCHES, UH, NEAR THE CHASE STRUCTURE, THERE WILL BE A, A DRINKING FOUNTAIN, A CHARGING STATION FOR ALL SMART DEVICES.
AND THEN OF COURSE, SIGNAGE FOR PICKLEBALL QUARTS.
THE QUARTS THEMSELVES WILL BE THIS GRAY BORDER, BLUE INNER SURFACE, AND THEN A PURPLE KITCHEN.
NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE FOOD COURT AREA.
WE WILL, WHERE WE WILL HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE RESTROOMS. UH, THERE WILL BE ONE FOR WOMEN, ONE FOR FOR MEN AND A FAMILY RESTROOM.
THIS IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE AND THIS IS WHAT IT WILL EVENTUALLY LOOK LIKE.
SO UNDER THESE SHEA STRUCTURES, WE'LL HAVE SIX BENCHES THAT LOOK LIKE THIS.
WE'LL ALSO HAVE BIKE RACKS THAT ARE RED, ADDITIONAL DREAM FOUNTAINS.
UM, AND THEN JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU, WE'LL HAVE THE TRADITIONAL TRASH BINS THAT YOU CURRENTLY SEE AROUND THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN THIS RIGHT HERE IS ACTUALLY WHAT THE DOG PARK WILL HAVE.
WE'LL HAVE A DREAM FOUND FOR THE PUPS.
AND SPEAKING OF THE DOG PARK WILL END AT THE DOG PARK.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE DOG PARK HAS NOW BEEN RELEASED TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
SO ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD, UM, IS THE CREATION OF THE DEPARTMENT.
IT IS NOT, IT HAS BEEN A COLLABORATION.
WE HAVE LEANED ON OUR UTILITY DEPARTMENT AND OUR STREET DEPARTMENT TO USE OLD SUPPLIES, MATERIALS THAT WE CAN REFURBISH.
SO JUST TO KINDA GIVE YOU AN INSIGHT OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT IS A CONTINUOUS PROJECT.
UH, WE ACTUALLY JUST SEEDED RECENTLY, BUT THE PARK IS THE DOG PARK SPECIFICALLY.
JUST A REMINDER IS ALMOST THREE ACRES RIGHT UNDER A SHY OF THREE ACRES, THREE DIFFERENT ZONES, OBVIOUSLY, ONE FOR SMALL DOGS, ONE FOR LARGE DOG.
AND THEN WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE ONE ZONE CLOSE JUST TO GIVE THE GROUND SOME REST.
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AND THEN WE'LL ROTATE.BUT THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE BULK PARK.
BUT STAY TUNED BECAUSE I WILL, WE WILL HAVE YOU OUT DURING THE FALL SO YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE SOME OF THE BIGGER UPDATES.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? OKAY, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE AGAIN? LIZETTE? MARCH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO HAVE THE B RIBBON CUTTING THAT DAY.
DOES THAT APPRECIATE IT? ALRIGHT, MAYOR.
[8.B.2025-664 MONTHLY PROJECTS UPDATE]
YEAH, MY, I'M GONNA GIVE MY LAST MONTHLY REPORT OF THE FISCAL YEAR, OF THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AS WE'RE COMING UP HERE TO, TO SOON TO CLOSE THAT.AS YOU'LL NOTICE, UM, AS I SENT THIS OUT TO YOU YESTERDAY, THERE'S SEVERAL PROJECTS GONNA BE, WE'RE CLOSING OUT.
THERE'S GONNA BE A CONTINUATION OF A LOT OF PROJECTS MOVING INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE, UH, MY TEAM'S ATTENTION TO THEIR WORK PLAN AND, AND, AND PROVIDING THESE UPDATES.
WE'LL START WITH THE MOBILITY PERSPECTIVE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PLANT AVENUE PARKING LOT.
UH, UH, MEANT TO GET YOU AN UPDATED PICTURE, BUT ALL THE LANDSCAPING HAS BEEN INSTALLED.
WE EXPECT SOME PAVING TO OCCUR THIS WEEK.
SO WE ARE, UH, VERY HOPEFUL THAT LOOKING AT DIRECTOR CAROL, THEY'VE BEEN ON THE CONTRACTOR AS BEST THEY CAN.
UH, WE DID FINISH THE DESIGN WORK OF THE SIDEWALK.
WE WANNA PUT IN THE FLATS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THAT'S PER OUR SIDEWALK PLAN.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT IS, UH, DONE AND WE'LL BE WAITING, UH, FUNDING TO CONSTRUCT THAT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT CARBON FILTER, THAT DESIGN WORK'S BEEN DONE.
TCEQ HAS APPROVED THAT DESIGN.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING TO, UH, IMPLEMENT THAT HERE.
NEXT, TALK ABOUT THE, THE BOARDWALK AT THE NATURE CENTER.
THIS IS, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU'VE EVER GONE OUT THERE, THERE'S DIFFERENT, IT'S IN DIFFERENT STATES OF CONDITION.
THERE WAS AN AS, THERE WAS A PORTION THAT WE HAD TO CLOSE OFF THAT WAS, UH, DETERIORATED.
WE'LL BE OPENING IT BY THE END OF THIS WEEK.
WE DO NEED A LONGER TERM FIX FOR THAT WHOLE REPAIR.
AND WE'RE TALKING WITH THE NATURE CENTER ABOUT HOW TO GO AFTER DIFFERENT GRANTS TO GET THAT DONE.
UM, ANYWAY, IT'S A NICE AMENITY, NICE FEATURE OUT THERE.
IT IS A VERY COSTLY FEATURE TO MAINTAIN.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT, AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED THROUGH THE YEAR.
NEXT ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, NOTHING NEW TO REPORT.
YOU WILL BE SEEING UDC UPDATES COMING HERE SOON, NEXT MONTH.
NEXT, OUR ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE PRE-FINISHED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, THE TWO OTHER POLICIES YOU'LL GO BACK HAS THE CASH HANDLING POLICY AND PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
UH, WHY WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT.
UH, WE'RE ABOUT TO SEND THIS OFF TO A REVIEW BY THE LEGAL TEAM.
UH, WE PROBABLY ANTICIPATE THOSE BOTH BEING DONE, UM, UH, SHORTLY IN THE NEW YEAR, NEW CALENDAR YEAR.
AND OF COURSE, STORMWATER FEES.
WE HAVE TO DO THREE NOTIFICATIONS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THE PAPER.
SO THAT'LL BE, UH, DONE HERE SOON.
IT'S SHOWING A COMPLETION DATE OF OCTOBER, BUT THAT'LL BE END OF NOVEMBER NEXT.
UH, NOTHING NEW TO REPORT HERE.
UH, ON THE, WE DID LAUNCH OUR EMPLOYEE ENGAGEMENT SURVEY LAST THURSDAY RIGHT AFTER OUR EMPLOYEE LUNCHEON.
WE HOPE TO RUN THAT THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR, UH, OR END OF THIS WEEK, I, EXCUSE ME.
UM, WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, CLOSE THAT OUT AND, UM, MONDAY BE ABLE TO START WORKING WITH THE VENDOR GALLUP SURVEY TO GET THOSE RESULTS.
AND OF COURSE, AS I'VE ALWAYS DONE IN THE PAST, I'LL SHARE THOSE WITH COUNCIL PROBABLY AT YOUR WINTER WORKSHOP.
WE'LL GO INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF THOSE RESULTS.
SEVERAL OF THOSE OTHERS YOU CAN SEE HAVE COMPLETION DATES GOING INTO THE NEXT YEAR.
NEXT, AGAIN, ALL COMPLETED HERE.
IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR ANYTHING YOU WANT ME TO, UH, GO BACK TO? COULD YOU JUST COMMENT ON THE TOURIST, UH, DISTRICT THING? WHAT, WHAT THAT'S VOLUNTARY TO GO BACK.
WHAT'S GOING ON SARAH, TO THE, SO BEFORE DIRECTOR WOODS RETIRED, WE WERE CONTEMPLATING, WE HAD LEARNED, I HAD LEARNED ABOUT A NEW T TOURIST PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT THAT COULD BE CREATED TO PROVIDE MORE FUNDING FOR ADVERTISING.
THE LEGISLATION I THINK WAS ALLOWED IN MID 2015 TIMEFRAME THAT, UM, ALLOWED THIS NEW MECHANISM TO, TO BE CREATED.
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SOURCE THAT YOU APPLY TO THE BILL.IT'S NOT A HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, IT IS ANOTHER FEE.
AND A LAR, A LOT OF THE LARGER CITIES IN THE STATE WERE, WERE IMPLEMENTING THIS.
YOU YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR ARLINGTONS AND YOUR DALLASES AND HOUSTON, BIG TOURIST ORIENTED, UH, ENTERTAINMENT VENUE, SPORTING EVENT TYPE, UH, AREAS.
I LEARNED THAT SINCE IN A LOT OF MIDSIZE CITIES AND EVEN SMALLER CITIES WERE IMPLEMENTING THIS TOOL.
AND SO I HAD ASKED DIRECTOR WOODS TO FURTHER VET THAT WE WERE STARTING THAT UNTIL HE ANNOUNCED HIS RETIREMENT.
THAT'LL PROBABLY BE SOMETHING WE, WE PUT BACK INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR WORK PLAN, JUST TO HAVE A PRESENTATION, UH, HERE, SIMILAR TO KIND OF WHAT WE DID TONIGHT.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WILL FIT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT TOOL IS YOU CAN DRAW A BOUNDARY AROUND WHERE IT IS AND YOU NEED ALMOST ALL THOSE HOTELIERS IN THERE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST ALL THE BURNING.
YOU CAN DO MAIN STREET, YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE OUR HOTELS ARE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT.
THEY WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT, UM, THAT FUNDING SOURCE OF COURSE.
SO THEY WOULD PROBABLY BENEFIT THE MOST OUT OF THE EXCESS, UH, ADVERTISING OPPORTUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION ALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.
APPRECIATE YOUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT.
I APPRECIATE CHIEF PEREZ AND UH, LIEUTENANT SCHMIDT.
I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS AND QUESTIONS YOU'VE BEEN PASSING ALONG FOR THE LAST MONTH.
I THINK WE'VE HAD A GOOD DIALOGUE, NOT JUST TONIGHT, FOR, FOR THE LAST MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF.
AND, UH, THAT'S HOW POLICY IS CREATED IN CRAFT AND APPRECIATE YOUR ENGAGEMENT IN THAT.
[9. COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL]
COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? TY? WELL, YEAH, I JUST ECHO BEN, I WANNA THANK, UH, CHIEF AND LIEUTENANT AND YOUR WHOLE STAFF FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.I MEAN, I, UH, CHIEF YOU KIND OF MENTIONED IT, IS THAT, I MEAN, REALLY BECAUSE OF THEM, I THINK WE ALL STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS AND LED TO WHAT I THINK IS A REALLY GREAT POLICY THAT ARGUABLY I THINK THE STATE MIGHT EVEN LOOK TO AS SOMETHING THEY MIGHT DO.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, JOE, YOU KIND OF MENTIONED AI AND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING, I THINK FLOCK HAS BEEN KIND OF CAUGHT UP IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S A TANGIBLE ITEM THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT AND BE LIKE, OH, THIS IS THE THING I DON'T LIKE.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THIS IS WE'RE ALL SEEING AI HAPPEN SO QUICK AND FLOCK IS JUST SOMETHING WE CAN SEE AND, UM, GET MAD AT.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED.
AND I THINK ALL THE QUESTIONS WE'VE ALL ASKED AND THE POLICY WE WE'RE DOING, THEY'RE ALL GREAT THINGS.
AND, UM, SO YEAH, I'M SURE SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE FRUSTRATED BY WHAT WE'RE NOT DOING, BUT, UM, THEY SHOULD STILL BE, YOU KNOW, PROUD FOR, YOU KNOW, COMING TO MEETINGS AND VOICING THEIR OPINION AND SENDING EMAILS.
SO I KNOW THEY'RE NOT HERE, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL HEAR THE RECORDING AND SO I STILL GIVE THEM KUDOS.
AND BEN, THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, GUIDING STAFF TOO.
I, WHAT I THINK IS AGAIN, A GREAT POLICY AND, UM, I THINK AGAIN, WE'RE LEADING BY EXAMPLE, LIKE WE SEEM TO ALWAYS DO.
UM, AND I THINK, I THINK THE PARTISAN THINGS GOING ON IN AUSTIN IS JUST THAT IT'S, UM, ELECTION SEASON AND, UM, POLITICS ARE GONNA BE POLITICIANS.
AND SO THEM SAYING AND DOING THINGS THAT THEY ARE, ARE JUST FOR THAT.
THEY'RE, UH, TRYING TO GET ELECTED AND, UM, WHEN YOU GOT A LETTER NEXT TO YOUR NAME, YOU'LL SAY JUST ABOUT ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED.
SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK'S HAPPENING THERE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COUNSEL? ALL RIGHT, I GOT TWO, ONE.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, TWO TEAM BERNIE.
UH, I KNOW I WAS OUTTA TOWN LAST THURSDAY FOR THE EMPLOYEE LUNCHEON.
SORRY, I COULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT.
UH, BUT THE HARD WORK, DEDICATION, YOU KNOW, I WAS SITTING HERE TONIGHT AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS SCREEN, AND IF YOU LOOK AT, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, INTEGRITY, COLLABORATION, RESPECT, SERVICE, AND EXCELLENCE, THE FIVE PILLARS THAT WE BELIEVE IS WHAT THE CITY, CITY OF BURNING GOVERNMENT STANDS FOR.
AND EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM AND THIS ORGANIZATION EXEMPLIFIES, ESPECIALLY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, CHIEF PEREZ, LIEUTENANT SCHMIDT, UM, THANK YOU FOR AN EXCELLENT, UH, COVERAGE OF FLOCK CAMERAS AND THE SAFEGUARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
UH, WHAT I'VE NOTICED OUTSIDE OF BERNIE AND OTHER INSTRUMENT, ANYTIME THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THIS SYSTEM OR A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT'S A PERSONNEL AND A POLICY ISSUE, NOT AN INSTRUMENT TOOL ISSUE.
UM, AND WITH THE TYPE OF OF DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE AND, AND THE STANDARDS THAT YOU'VE SET FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.
UM, BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF THESE PILLARS YOU EXEMPLIFY OUR WHOLE POLICE DEPARTMENT, EXEMPLIFY EVERY, EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITY OF BERNIE EXEMPLIFIES THESE.
SO, UH, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO TO ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE EMAILED FACEBOOK, WHATEVER ABOUT THIS SITUATION, COMMENTED, COME SAT COUNCIL MEETINGS.
I APPRECIATE, I LOVE IT WHEN OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGES WITH, WITH THE COUNCIL AND WITH THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT SAYS, UH, THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT SPOKE TONIGHT, LAST TIME WAS EMAILED OR WHATEVER.
CONTINUE BEING INVOLVED IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR COMMUNITY AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
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THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING IT, HAVE A GREAT REST OF YOUR WEEK.
GOD BLESS, AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.