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[1. CALL TO ORDER – 6:00 PM]
O'CLOCK ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 2ND, 2026.UM, MY NAME IS LUCAS HYLER, AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING YOU ALL WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
UM, WE WILL START THIS, UH, MEETING WITH THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE AND THEN A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE WITHIN THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE WOMAN INDIVISIBLE.
PLEASE JOIN ME WITH, FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST WANNA INQUIRE IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THIS EVENING AMONGST COMMISSIONERS.
UM, AND THEN I WAS INFORMED WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS THIS EVENING, BUT I SEE WE HAVE A FEW FOLKS THAT HAVE COME IN HERE RECENTLY.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S ON THEIR MIND? IF SO, PLEASE COME DOWN.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA]
TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, OUR CONSENT AGENDA.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTION ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA? WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FRYER.
MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
THERE WE GO ON THAT ITEM APPROVES UNANIMOUSLY.
[5.a. 2026-473 Discuss a potential request for a mixed-use development known as Menger Creek Village on approximately 49 acres generally located northeast of the intersection of Main Street and Herff Road and northeast of the intersection of Old San Antonio Road and Herff Road.]
TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 2026 473, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS A POTENTIAL REQUEST FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS MINGER CREEK VILLAGE ON APPROXIMATELY 49 ACRES GENERALLY LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF MAIN STREET AND HURF ROAD AND NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD AND HURF ROAD.THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UH, I WILL, I WILL, UH, JUST GO OVER A COUPLE SLIDES, UH, WITH YOU TO ORIENT, UH, YOU TO THE PROJECT AND THEN, UH, TURN THE TIME OVER TO MR. BROWN, UH, FOR HIS PRESENTATION.
UH, A- AS MENTIONED, YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION IN GREEN ON THE, ON THE MAP.
UH, IT IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 49 ACRES.
OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATES THE PROPERTY AS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL FOR THE PROPERTY, UH, EAST OF OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD AND AUTO-ORIENTED COMMERCIAL FOR THE PROPERTY WEST OF OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD.
ZONING IS C1 AND C2, UH, WITH SOME C3, UH, RIGHT ALONG MAIN STREET.
YOU CAN SEE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, CONSTRAINT MAPS.
UH, WE DO HAVE A DPZ, FLOODPLAIN, UH, FLOODWAY, UH, AND OUR LOWER GLENROSE, UH, AQUIFER, RIGHT? YES.
MAK SURE I GOT, SAID THE WORD RIGHT ON THE SITE THAT WILL NEED TO BE EVALUATED.
UH, OVERLAY DISTRICTS, THE, UM, PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO THE, UH, SOUTH BERNIE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND THE HERITAGE CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UH, AND THE, UH, SOBO OVERLAY DISTRICT, IT HAS, UH, TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTER ZONES, MIXED USE, UH, WHICH IS VERTICAL MIXED USE, COMMERCIAL, SO FORTH, AND NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER ZONE, UH, WHICH IS MORE OF YOUR, UH, SINGLE FAMILY TYPE RESIDENTIAL.
AND FINALLY IS A CONTOURS MAP.
YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, ON THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THERE IS A BLUFF AND IT GOES, UH, AND SOME OTHER, UH, SUBSTANTIAL, UH, ELEVATION CONCERNS THOSE, SO THOSE WILL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, TAKE THOSE INTO ACCOUNT TOO IN ANY REVIEW OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS.
WITH THAT, MR. BROWN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD.
NO, AND I'LL TAKE MR. BROWN JUST A MOMENT TO GET HIS PRESENTATION UP.
I WANNA MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING FORWARD AND HAVING
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THE CONFIDENCE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH US ABOUT A PROPOSED 49 ACRE DEVELOPMENT.THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT APPROACHES ON 49 ACRE DEVELOPMENTS.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE TOP SECRET AND THEY DON'T HAPPEN UNTIL THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY INVESTED AND PLANS AND, UM, VARYING DEGREES OF THAT PARCEL.
AND OFTENTIMES THE DEVELOPER'S VERY HEAVILY COMMITTED TO THAT PLAN AND NOT WILLING TO CHANGE.
UM, AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS AND YOU MAY WALK AWAY AT, AT THE END OF THE EVENING LIKE, "GOSH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION TO GO." UM, WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND THAT FEEDBACK, I THINK SOMETIMES IS JUST OUT OF OUR EXPERIENCE, UM, OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER SITUATIONS VERSUS VERY OPEN CONVERSATIONS.
SO IT'S VERY, VERY APPRECIATED.
A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I MAY ASK FOR JUST AT THE TOP OF MY MIND IF THEY COULD BE SPRINKLED INTO THE PRESENTATION OR YOU MAY ALREADY HAVE THEM PREPARED TO BE COVERED, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE DRAINAGE WAY PROTECTION ZONE, WE SAW QUITE A BIT OF THAT, UM, ALONG WITH THERE'S LIKELY SOME ZONING, UM, REQUEST OR ANY VARIANCES.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF, IF THERE IS ANY CONTENT OR WE CAN ASK DIRECT QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY VARIANCES NEEDED TO THE DPZ OR THE UT OR THE UDC? UM, IS THERE ANY TAXPAYER, UM, OBLIGATION BEING ASKED FOR AS WELL? OR IS THIS FULLY FUNDED BY THE DEVELOPER THEMSELVES? AND THEN I'M SURE WE'LL GET INTO SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC ALONG MAIN STREET, POTENTIALLY HERVE, POTENTIALLY OLD SAN ANTONIO, ET CETERA.
BUT, UM, MAYBE JUST KEEP THAT AT THE FOREFRONT OF YOUR MIND AND, AND SHARE THAT AS, UH, YOU GO THROUGH YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR THE CONVERSATION.
I HOPE FOR THE SAME THING YOU DO.
HE'S OUR HEAD PARTNER AND PRESIDENT AND HE'LL PROBABLY BE SPEARHEADING THIS PRESENTATION.
AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH SOME OF IT, WE'LL GET TO SOME SLIDES.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, HOPEFULLY A LOT OF Q&A, RIGHT? THANK YOU, MR. BROWN.
WHAT MARK IS HANDING OUT RIGHT NOW IS JUST, IS IT JUST SORT OF A, A BULLET POINT AGENDA THAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR TONIGHT AND - THANK YOU.
THOUGHT IT MIGHT HELP, UH, TRACK US ALONG.
ONE THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY, I'M NOT SURE THAT MENTIONED 49 ACRES.
IT'S ACTUALLY GROSS 40 ACRES THAT WE HAVE.
THERE'S, UH, 29, UM, AND INCLUDING THE LAND ON HER FOUR AND SEVEN.
SO ROUGHLY F - 40 ACRES TOTAL.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY THE 29 ACRES THAT'S FRONTING ON MAINE THAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, TONIGHT PRIMARILY.
UM, SO, UM, HAVING KINDA GOT THE, THE AGENDA OUT THERE, UM, THE, UM, AGAIN, WE MADE, INTRO- INTRODUCED OURSELVES.
WE'RE WITH TERRAMARK VENTURES, UH, UM, AND WE'RE LAND DEVELOPERS PRIMARILY AND, UH, GET INVOL- INVOLVED IN A LOT OF MIXED USE PROJECTS.
IN FACT, BROUGHT AN EXAMPLE OF A CURRENT PROJECT.
IF WE GET TO THAT POINT, Y'ALL WANNA SEE SOMETHING ELSE, WE CAN, WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT TONIGHT.
UM, UH, SO WHY ARE WE HERE TONIGHT? UM, WE CAME IN LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, UM, PROBABLY FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS AGO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN KINDA STUDYING IT AND RECOGNIZE AN OPPORTUNITY.
UM, UH, WE DON'T FIND ANY EASY DEALS ANYMORE, AND THIS IS ABOUT AS CHALLENGING AS THEY CAN BE.
UH, SO, UH, WE, WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, BUT, UM, FOR A LOT OF THE SAME REASONS THAT NATHAN MENTIONED EARLIER.
UM, BUT WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE IT ALSO AS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY, UM, WITH SOME OF THE NATURAL FEATURES THAT ARE, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY.
YOU HAVE MENGER CREEK COMING THROUGH THERE.
UH, WE THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THAT.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ENVISIONING, UM, UH, A, A HIGHER DENSITY SORT OF HILL COUNTRY VILLAGE MIXED USE PROJECT, UH, IS, IS MAYBE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE IF IT CAN BE ACHIEVED.
AND, UM, THAT'S SORT OF THE VISION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIRST TONIGHT IS THIS HILL COUNTRY, UH, UH, VILLAGE CONCEPT.
UM, HE PUT UP ON THE SCREEN EARLIER KIND OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED, YOU KNOW, FRONTAGE ON MAIN, NORTH, SOUTH SIDE OF MENGER CREEK, GOES OVER TO, UM, OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD, CROSSES OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD, THEN CROSSES HERF
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ROAD, UM, WITH ALL THE LAND INVOLVED.THE, UM, AGAIN, IT'S A CHALLENGING SITE TO DEVELOP, MAJORITY OF IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN, AS NATHAN SHOWED EARLIER, AND, UH, BOTH THE SARA AND THE, UM, FEMA, UH, IMPACT IS, UH, ON THIS SITE.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, UH, A CHALLENGE.
I MEAN, I KNOW THE CITY IS THE FLOODPLAIN MANAGER, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY, SO WE'D BE WORKING WITH THE CITY THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UM, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT SOME NATURAL TERRAIN TO IT, BUT IT'S THE GOOD NEWS AND THE BAD NEWS.
SO, UM, HOW DO WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT CREEK AND THE AMENIT - CREATE AN AMENITY OUT OF IT? UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE AND THAT'S KIND OF THE VISION AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME, UH, PICTURES AND, AND SLIDES LATER THAT'LL KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THAT VISION FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND TIME ON THAT, BUT, UM, WE ENVISION PUBLIC AMENITIES, UH, THROUGH THERE.
UM, WE, WE BASICALLY, IN THIS ONE 29 ACRE TRACK, GOES ALL THE WAY FROM HURF ROAD TO SAN ANTONIO ROAD ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CREEK.
UM, WE WOULD DEDICATE RIGHT A - OR, UH, CREATE A, UH, PUBLIC TRAIL SYSTEM BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I'VE READ.
WE'VE READ THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOUR MASTER PLAN, YOUR CODE.
WE, WE'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH, WITH, UM, WITH THOSE DOCUMENTS ANYWAY.
AND, AND SO WHAT THE IDEA WOULD BE IS TO CONTINUE THAT TRAIL SYSTEM ALL THE WAY FROM HURF ROAD TO SAN ANTONIO ROAD, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CREEK, UH, CREATING SOME PARKLAND ALONG THE WAY.
UH, THESE WOULD ALL BE PUBLIC AREAS, UH, AND DEDICATED TO THE PUBLIC, UM, BUT ALSO USE THOSE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AN, THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, BENEFITS THAT, THAT COULD COME OUT OF THAT.
SO, UM, THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, WE, WE HAVE SOME ZONING, SPECIFIC ZONING ON THIS TRACK RIGHT NOW.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE WOULD BE ASKING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR IS TO APPROVE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
SOME CITIES CALL IT A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD, PDD, WHICHEVER ONE Y'ALL USE HERE, BUT WE WOULD BE ASKING Y'ALL TO APPROVE THAT, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL THE POTENTIAL USES, LAND USES, ET CETERA, THAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PURSUING.
SO, UH, WE CAN GET INTO MORE DETAIL ON THAT IF Y'ALL WANNA DO THAT, UH, LATER IN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, MIX OF USES.
BUT, UM, SO AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES.
MARK, YOU CAN PROBABLY TALK MORE ABOUT ALL THAT THAN I CAN IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE FACING OUT THERE.
I THINK, UM, IS IT HYLER OR HILLER? HEILER.
MR. HILLER HIT IT ON THE HEAD WHEN YOU POINTED OUT THE, THE, THE TWO MAIN ONES, WHICH ARE FLOODPLAIN AND DRAINAGE PROTECTION ZONE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY, UH, ON THE CONSTRAINT MAP, WHICH I KNOW NATHAN HAD IT UP THERE A LITTLE WHILE AGO, UM, YOU, YOU DO, YOU CAN SEE IMMEDIATELY THAT IF YOU LEFT IT JUST LIKE IT WAS AND DIDN'T DEVELOP ANYWHERE THERE WAS A CONSTRAINT, YOU'D HAVE ROUGHLY FIVE ACRES OF USABLE LAND.
AND AS YOU HEARD, UH, JOEL SAY, IT WAS, I THINK THE MAIN TRACT WAS 29 ACRES, AND THEN THERE'S A SEVEN ACRE AND A FOUR ACRE.
MY POINT IS, IT, IT'S REALLY GONNA REQUIRE SOME GIVE AND TAKE.
UH, IT'S ALSO GONNA REQUIRE SOME PRETTY SOPHISTICATED ENGINEERING.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH MR. CARROLL'S GROUP BECAUSE OF THIS, AND I THINK WE ARE HEADED DOWN THE PATH THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
NOW, THERE'S MORE STUDYING TO BE DONE, FOR SURE.
UH, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA DO IS LIFT THE PROPERTY OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN THAT WILL REQUIRE A SUBMITTAL, A STUDY.
EVERYTHING WILL HAVE TO BE DOTTED AND CROSSED, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD EXPECT.
AND THE MAIN ISSUE ON THE, ON THE DRAINAGE PROTECTION ZONE IS THAT ALONG THE MINGER CREEK, WE CAN RESPECT IT PRETTY WELL BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ALONG THE BACK.
BUT SUGGS CREEK THAT COMES THROUGH THE MIDDLE, I'M SURE Y'ALL DRIVE BY IT ALL THE TIME LIKE I DO, AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S JUST AN OLD PASTURE THAT HAS A LOT OF EROSION IN IT.
THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH OF A HABITAT LEFT.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS ENHANCE THAT.
WE'RE GONNA STRAIGHTEN IT OUT AND MAKE IT MORE SUITABLE FOR THE GEOMETRY THAT WE NEED, BUT WE'RE GONNA ENHANCE IT AT THE SAME TIME.
SO INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT IT LIKE WE'RE TAKING A HABITAT AWAY, WE'RE REALLY BRINGING ANOTHER HABITAT TO THE TABLE.
SO THE DRAINAGE PROTECTION ZONE AND THE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH ARE THE TWO MAIN ISSUES, THAT'S HOW WE PROPOSE
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TO DO IT.AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE SLIDES, YOU'LL SEE, I THINK YOU'LL SEE HOW IT COMES TOGETHER, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE SHOOTING TO TAKE 29 ACRES THAT WE CAN ONLY USE FIVE ACRES AND GET IT CLOSER TO LIKE 18 ACRES.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO GET TO, TO MAKE IT WORK.
NOW, ANYTIME THERE'S A QUESTION, FEEL FREE, BUT WE'LL HAVE LOTS OF TIME TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER, UH, TOWARDS THE END.
I MIGHT ALSO ADD SUGGS CREEK ACTUALLY ORIGINATES LIKE ON, ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF I-10.
SO I MEAN, IT'S NOT A LONG DRAW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CAPTURING A LOT OF STORMWATER.
IT JUST, IT'S EVERYTHING, IT'S JUST EAST OF I-10, WHICH IS MAYBE A QUARTER MILE O- OF, OF DRAINAGE THAT WE'RE ACCEPTING ALONG THE WAY.
AND, UM, WHETHER WE'RE REROUTING IT, CHANNELING IT, OR EVEN GOING UNDERGROUND IN ONE OF THE CASES, WE'D, WE'D MAKE SURE WE'RE HANDLING ALL THE DEVELOPED STORM FLOW THAT WE NEED TO ON THE TRACK.
SO, UM, SO YEAH, UH, I GUESS WE, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVE SEEN, UH, A PACKAGE I SAW IN THE, IN THE, UH, AGENDA PACKAGE THAT YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT ARE INCLUDED AND ALL OF THAT.
AND IF WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM, UH, YOU WANNA...
I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN START GOING THROUGH THOSE OR YOU ALL CAN START ASKING QUESTIONS AT, AT THIS POINT, BUT THERE'S, AGAIN, THIS FIRST SET OF SLIDES IS ALL THIS HILL COUNTRY VILLAGE VISION THAT WE'VE CREATED AND KINDA, YOU KNOW, HOPE THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU CAN'T ASK FOR A MORE CHALLENGING SITUATION, SO WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR GOAL HERE RIGHT NOW IS TO FIND OUT IF THERE ARE ANY DEAL KILLERS, AND IF THERE ARE, THAT'S OKAY, BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW, WE JUST DON'T WANNA GO DOWN THE ROAD A LONG WAY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WI- WITHOUT KNOWING THAT.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, SO, UM - MR. SCOTT, WHY DON'T WE LET YOU GO THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION - OKAY.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL COMPILE OUR QUESTIONS AND - SURE.
HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AFTER THAT.
LET ME ASK, UM, LET'S SEE, SARAH, WILL YOU BE ADVANCING THE, THE SLIDES? OR YOU WILL?.
SO I WANNA START BY TELLING EVERYBODY YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME BEAUTIFUL IMAGES, WHICH ARE CLEARLY HILL COUNTRY.
THERE'S A LOT OF WATER IN THESE IMAGES.
AND WE, WE WANTED TO SHOW THAT THE AREAS WHERE THERE'S TRIBUTARIES OR FLOW AREAS, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THEM PRETTY, WHETHER THERE'S WATER IN THEM OR NOT.
WE DO KNOW THAT IT WILL RAIN SOMEDAY, THERE'LL BE WATER, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT IN THINGS THAT SLOW THE WATER DOWN, CREATE POOLS OF WATER, UH, RIPPLE DAMS IS A TERM YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THESE IMAGES, YES, THERE'S A LOT OF WATER, AND WE ALL KNOW IN THIS PART OF THE, OF THE STATE, YOU DON'T SEE THAT LIKE YOU USED TO, BUT IT'S BETTER TO SEE IT AND TALK ABOUT IT IN THAT PRETTY VEIN THAN NOT.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE ALL THAT.
OKAY, SO LET ME SEE IF THIS WILL WORK.
YEAH, OUR DESIGN TEAM AND OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM ARE THESE FIRST TWO SLIDES.
WE DO HAVE ONE GENTLEMAN NOT HERE WITH US.
AND, UH, HE'S A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THIS, AND OF COURSE HE'S WATCHING.
AND WE WILL HAVE A, A LOT OF FEEDBACK, UH, DOWN THE ROAD IF WE PROCEED, UH, WITH, WITH YOU AND HIM.
BUT IT, WE COULDN'T PULL IT TOGETHER TONIGHT.
SO ANYWAY, THERE'S ANOTHER PART OF OUR DESIGN TEAM RESPONSIBLE FOR MUCH OF THE VISIONING WORK THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE.
UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS SITE, AND I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF IT WITH MAYBE ONE THING WE DIDN'T MENTION, THAT'S THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY.
AND LATER ON, YOU'LL SEE A REALLY GOOD, UH, POSSIBILITY THAT WE, WE SEE TO CONVERT THAT TO A, A REALLY COOL RESTAURANT.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL CASE STUDIES WHICH ARE PROJECTS WE'VE ALREADY WORKED ON THAT HAVE ELEMENTS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.
I DON'T WANNA DWELL ON IT TONIGHT BECAUSE I WANNA GET TO THE FEEDBACK PART, BUT WE DO HAVE PLENTY OF PROJECTS WE CAN SHOW YOU, UH, IF WE GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE NEED TO, TO MAYBE SUBMIT A PACKAGE OR SOMETHING.
ALL OF THESE, UH, PROJECTS THAT HAVE THESE COMPONENTS WENT INTO THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU NOW.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WHEN YOU SEE THESE TERMS ROOTED AND REFINED, THAT REALLY MEANS THAT IT'S, WE'RE TYING IT INTO THE FIELD OF BERNIE, THE HISTORY OF BERNIE, THE MATERIALS OF BERNIE, ALL THE THINGS THAT MAKES BERNIE SPECIAL, WE'RE TRYING TO USE THEM, TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON THEM.
THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE MATERIALS, YOU'VE SEEN IT BEFORE.
IT'S THE LIMESTONE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IRON AND THE METAL, OTHER THINGS TOO THAT ARE PART OF THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, ECOLOGICAL INFRASTRUCTURE ON THIS
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SITE.WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT, AND I THINK THERE'S EVEN IN OUR BACK CENTER POINT AREA, THERE'S EVEN A EXISTING ROCK WATERFALL BACK THERE, WHICH IS REALLY PRETTY, AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'RE GONNA PRESERVE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE REALLY A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WANNA COME AND SPEND THE DAY.
IT MIGHT EVEN HAVE, SAY, AN OUTDOOR THEATER.
I MEAN, THINGS LIKE THIS ARE POSSIBLE IN A MIXED USE PROJECT.
AND WE'LL GET INTO SOME OTHER EXAMPLES THERE.
YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE THREE PARCELS.
WE'RE GONNA FOCUS RIGHT NOW ON THE LARGE ONE.
BUT JUST IMMEDIATELY UPSTREAM IS ANOTHER PARCEL, WHICH IS FOUR ACRES.
IT IS PRETTY MUCH ALL FLOODPLAIN, AND WE ENVISION THAT BEING PART OF THE CIT- CITY PARK SYSTEM.
THEN IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET IS A SEVEN-ACRE PARCEL THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE CHARACTERIZED BY MORE OF YOUR TYPICAL COMMERCIAL, NOT SO MUCH - MIXED USE.
MIXED USE, MIXED-USE COMMERCIAL.
SO LET'S MOVE ON TO THE CONCEPT HERE.
SO THIS IS WHAT ILLUSTRATES SORT OF THE THREE PIECES OF THE VILLAGE, AND YOU CAN SEE SUBS CREEK RUNS KIND OF MEANDERING THROUGH THE MIDDLE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE ALIGNMENT OF THE CREEK, BUT WE'RE GONNA CONFINE IT TO ABOUT 140 FEET OF WIDTH.
AND THAT 140 FEET WILL HAVE WALKWAYS, GREEN SPACE, FLAT SL - FLAT SLOPES, AND THEN SOME STEEPER SLOPES WHERE THE WATER WILL FLOW WHENEVER IT RAINS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL GREEN AREA THAT WILL, WILL INVITE ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITIES ON IT.
AND THEN WHEN IT'S RAINING, IT WILL CARRY, IT'LL CARRY WATER FLOW.
IN THE BACK, YOU'LL, I WANNA POINT OUT THE LONG WHITE RIBBON IS THE, IS THE LINEAR PARK SYSTEM THAT CONNECTS TO THE CITY'S MASTER PLAN ULTIMATELY ON BOTH ENDS.
SO THIS, THIS WILL PROVIDE, UH, THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY SOMEDAY TO LINK ALL THE PARKS TOGETHER.
AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT AND WANNA, WANNA SUPPORT IT AND FACILITATE IT.
SO ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IN THE, IN THE...
UM, IT'S GONNA HAVE PAD SITES, AND THERE'S A LITTLE SNAPSHOT IN A CIRCLE THAT ILLUSTRATES FOR YOU, UH, WHAT WE ENVISION THOSE TO LOOK LIKE.
THEN IF YOU GO TO THE BACK PART, YOU SEE SOME OF THE VILLAGE COMMON AREAS THAT EVEN CONTAIN, UM, INTERMEDIATE SPOTS FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER AND PLAY, UH, AS WELL AS ALL THE QUALITY OF LIFE TENANTS THAT WOULD BE THERE.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET OVER TO THE RIGHT SIDE, THIS IS WHERE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION LAST TIME.
ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS OF THESE PROJECTS IS GOING TO BE MULTIFAMILY.
IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY.
IT'S UPGRADED MULTIFAMILY THAT'S OFTEN MIXED IN WITH OTHER USES.
SO IT'S NOT JUST A STANDALONE APARTMENT BUILDING.
AND I'D, I'D LIKE FOR JOEL TO MAYBE EXPOUND ON THAT A LITTLE MORE.
AND YOU CAN SEE AN IMAGE ON THE LOWER RIGHT THERE.
AS FAR AS THE MULTIFAMILY, IT'S JUST FIRST, IT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF ANY SUCCESSFUL MIXED USE PROJECT.
AND THE MORE APARTMENTS, THE BETTER TO, TO ACTIVATE, UH, THE, UH, MIXED USE PORTION OF IT.
AND, UH, YOU WANT PEOPLE NOT HAVING TO GET IN A CAR TO GO TO THE RESTAURANT, NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET IN THE CAR TO GO TO THE GYM, WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT, UM, THE, THE, THE, UH, UH, I THINK IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY CALLED IT LIVE, WORK, PLAY, UH, IS WHAT THERE'S AN INTEREST IN SEEING.
AND THAT'S THE IDEA BEHIND THIS.
SO, UM, YOU TRY TO INTEGRATE THE APARTMENTS IN THERE A LITTLE HIGHER DENSITY.
MIGHT EVEN END UP WITH SOME STRUCTURED PARKING, UH, COMPONENT TO IT, UM, THAT MAY EVEN BE SHARED PARKING WHEN YOU INTEGRATE RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW ALL THAT WORKS OUT.
SO THIS IS, AGAIN, JUST A CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS C- COULD CHANGE A HUNDRED TIMES DEPENDING ON THE DIFFERENT USES AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT IT'S A GOOD START AND A GOOD VISION FOR WHAT WE MIGHT, UH, BE LOOKING AT FOR THIS AREA.
AND, UH, WE DON'T MAKE THE MARKET.
WE HAVE, IT'S GONNA BE USER-DRIVEN, TENANT DEMAND, THAT SORT OF THING IS GONNA DECI - DETERMINE WHETHER THIS ACTUALLY WORKS OR NOT.
BUT WE THINK IF WE CAN CREATE THE ENVIRONMENT, WE CAN GET THE TENANTS THAT WE WANT TO COME IN HERE AND, AND, UM, UH, THAT UNDERSTAND THE MARKET, THEY UNDERSTAND BERNIE, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THIS LOCATION.
SO, UM, BUT IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF BACKGROUND WORK TO GET TO THAT POINT.
BUT THIS IS, UH, ONE CONCEPT THAT WE THINK WOULD DO VERY WELL IF, IF, UH, IF WE CAN PULL IT OFF.
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I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT, I GUESS, THE SIGHT LINES AND THE GRADING AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FLOODPLAIN RECLAMATION.AND WHERE THIS SECTION OF, UH, MULTIFAMILY, UH, FALLS IS, IS BEHIND THAT REALLY STEEP BLUFF THAT YOU SAW THAT NATHAN SHOWED YOU.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY, FROM A SIGHT LINE PERSPECTIVE, YOU WON'T, YOU PROBABLY ARE NOT GONNA SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD JUST LOOK LIKE AN APARTMENT.
I'M JUST SAYING, WE HAVE SOME ABILITY TO, TO, UH, MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE COMPATIBLE AND BLEND IT IN SOME.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE LATER.
AGAIN, JUST TO, WE'LL GET OFF THE APARTMENTS, BUT JUST, IT'S NOT A TYPICAL GARDEN S - GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE MOST OF AROUND TOWN.
UM, SO WHAT IS A MIXED, MIXED USE HILL COUNTRY VILLAGE? UM, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S, IT INTEGRATES A LOT OF THE USES WE TALKED ABOUT.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A CONCENTRATION OF RESTAURANTS.
UM, WHAT WE WANNA DO IS KINDA GET A PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED VILLAGE WHERE PEOPLE PARK, THEY GET OUT OF CARS, AND THEN THEY WALK, WHETHER THEY'RE SHOPPING, UH, GOING OUT TO EAT, GOING TO THE GYM, DOESN'T MATTER.
JUST, WE WANT PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR CARS.
AND, AND, UM, AND SO YOU TRY TO BLEND THE PARKING IN AND DISGUISE IT THE BEST YOU CAN WHEN YOU, UH, WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING THE PROJECT.
UM, UM, I THINK A LOT OF THE, UM, IDEAS ARE IN THIS BULLET POINT SUMMARY, BUT, UM, WE WANT SOME CENTRAL SPOT.
UM, WE CAN POINT TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, UH, AROUND TEXAS THAT HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THIS AND BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH IT.
Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THEM, I'M SURE.
SO, UH, SOME CENTRAL GREEN AREA, UH, GATHERING AREA WHERE PEOPLE EITHER IN THE DAYTIME OR NIGHTTIME CAN COME ALONG THAT, AND MAYBE THEY'RE JUST STOPPING ALONG THE WAY ON THEIR WALK ON THESE TRAILS, OR THEY'RE JOGGING IN THE MORNING AND THEY CAN STOP FOR COFFEE, WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT THAT'S THE IDEA THAT IT'S ACCESSIBLE, UM, UH, FROM DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.
UM, WE, WE THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY CAPTURE, UH, THAT CONNECTIVITY WITH SIBOLO CREEK, UM, AT, AT SOME POINT.
I MEAN, THIS EXTENDS THROUGH OLD SAN ANTONIO.
I'M NOT, I'VE FOLLOWED IT ON THE MAP AND LOOKED AT THE CREEK LINE BEFORE, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO IT.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING, UM, AND, AND, UM, A- ATTRACTIVE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK.
AND AGAIN, MARK MENTIONED JUST THE PARK AREAS AND THESE ARE ALL PUBLIC AREAS ALONG THE CREEK.
SO, UH, WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH YOUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, I'M SURE, AND KINDA UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR VISION IS AND WHAT THEY LIKE TO SEE.
AND MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO, UH, WORK TOGETHER ON ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT, UH, SO THAT'S REALLY, UH, AND AGAIN, I MENTIONED POTENTIALLY A PUBLIC PARKING, UH, STRUCTURE, A STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE, SEVERAL STORY GARAGE THAT, UM, CAPTURES A LOT OF THE PARKING IN, IN, YOU KNOW, THAT MEANS LESS CONCRETE AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO LESS IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, REALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, WE, THERE'S, WE CAN GO - YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND - YEAH, TO THE NEXT...
DO YOU WANNA SHOW A FEW OF THE SLIDES OR YOU WANNA GO ONTO THE NEXT CONCEPT? YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE SLIDES, YEAH, AND THEN, AND - WE'LL JUST FLIP THROUGH THESE.
IT WON'T TAKE LONG AND YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT THEM WHEN YOU HAVE MORE TIME.
AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE CONCEPT THAT WE WANNA DISCUSS.
I WAS GONNA MENTION, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT JACK BERGER WHO COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT.
UH, HE AND HIS PARTNERS, THIS IS THEIR FOCUS RIGHT NOW ON THESE MIXED USE PROJECTS, AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THEM IN FOR THEIR EXPERTISE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THEM AND, UH, HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BEEN HERE.
HE JUST, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT, AND SO HE'S, HE'S ABLE TO WATCH ANYWAY.
THERE'S PROBABLY 10 OF THESE REAL QUICK, AND THESE ARE PERSPECTIVES THAT ARE FROM VARIOUS ANGLES AND VARIOUS PARTS OF THE, OF THE VISION PROJECT.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT UP HERE AND HERE AS WE GO.
BUT IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM THAT ARE JUST ILLUSTRATIONS OF, LIKE, THE INTERNAL GREEN SPACES WHERE YOU CAN COME AND GATHER, WHICH WE, WE WANTED IT TO BE A PLACE TO GATHER AS WELL AS A PLACE TO ENJOY.
AND SO COMING DOWN HERE, I'LL SHOW YOU...
THAT, THAT'S A BETTER SHOT OF THAT INTERNAL GREEN AREA AND SOME OF WHAT, WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE COULD BE, UH, IN AND AROUND IT.
THESE THAT FRONT ON OR HAVE, UH, HAVE THE ABILITY TO BACK UP TO SUGS CREEK OR TO MINGER CREEK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN GET A REALLY PRETTY, UM, VIEW AND FEEL FOR A RESTAURANT, AND THAT'S JUST TO ILLUSTRATE HOW IT COULD BE DONE.
THERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE THERE'S, UH, USES ON TOP THAT ARE MORE, UH, MIXED USE, AND THEN ON THE
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BOTTOM IS, IS RESTAURANTS AND OTHER THINGS.THIS IS WHERE IT'S A COMBINATION OF MULTIFAMILY AND HOSPITALITY, SO THAT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK LIKE A TYPICAL APARTMENT.
SOME MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AREAS.
THAT IS THE, THE EXISTING HOUSE.
I'M SORRY, BUT STEAKHOUSE IS JUST WHAT CAME TO OUR MIND.
SO THIS IS A STEAKHOUSE WITH A LARGE PATIO IN THE BACK.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, THE PATIO'S THERE ALREADY.
AND SO IT, IT'S A, IT'S A NATURAL PLACE THAT DOES OVERLOOK THE CREEK WHERE YOU COULD REALLY HAVE A NEAT RESTAURANT.
IS IT IN VIEW OF BOTH SIDES OF SUGGS? ANOTHER ONE.
A LOT OF DIRT WORK, BUT - YEAH.
A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE PATIOS WILL BE ELEVATED JUST LIKE YOU SEE HERE.
AND, UH, OUR PARTICULAR GROUP, CULTIVATE LAND IS A BELIEVER IN NOT HAVING RAILS AND METAL EVERYWHERE, BUT TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE NATURAL WHERE YOU WALK UP A STAIRWAY.
NOW, THIS IS A SHOT OF THE PAD SITES.
I SAY PAD SITES, MORE OF THE TYPICAL COMMERCIAL OVER TOWARDS HERF.
AND, UH, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S COMMERCIAL, OF COURSE, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT VILLAGE, BUT IT STILL HAS A NICE BURNING FEEL.
SO IF YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND, AND, AND BRING UP, UM, I THINK NUMBER ONE FOR ME.
AND I GUESS, JOEL - THERE YOU GO.
EXPLAIN HOW WE GOT TO THIS AND WHERE - SURE.
THIS IS JUST SORT OF, UH, AGAIN, A TOTALLY DIFFERENT VERSION, BUT A MIXED USE COMMERCIAL RETAIL PROJECT THAT'S MORE TRADITIONAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, MOST LIKELY ANCHORED WITH, UH, SPEC SPACE AND PAD SITES AND BUILD-TO-SUITS, THAT SORT OF THING, UH, UH, THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN OTHER AREAS.
WE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH SOME ARCHITECTURAL COMPLIANCE, UM, UH, WOULD ENVISION A SOFT GOODS USER OR A, A FITNESS CENTER AS A, AS AN ANCHOR TENANT FOR ONE OF THESE PROJECTS.
UM, AND, UH, GETS A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING ON THE LAND, UH, UTILIZATION SIDE, BUT, UM, THAT'S KINDA, THERE'S SOME, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PLAN SHOWS SOME FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THE BACK, WHETHER THAT'S, UM, MEDICAL OFFICE, SOME OF THE FRONTAGE COULD BE MEDICAL OFFICE.
WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON THAT.
BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO GET YOUR ARMS AROUND IN TERMS OF THE TENANT MIX.
UM, THERE WAS, THERE WOULD BE NO APARTMENTS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CONCEPT.
SO, UM - AND, AND THIS VERSION IS WHAT WE CALL NUMBER ONE.
AND HOW ABOUT PLAN OR SHOWING NUMBER TWO? THE, THE THING HERE IS FROM, FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE'VE HEARD AND SEEN, WE THOUGH MAYBE COMING UP WITH A CONCEPT THAT WASN'T RELIANT ON APARTMENTS OR MULTIFAMILY, BUT WOULD STILL HAVE THE BURNING FEEL, STILL BE HIGH QUALITY, STILL HAVE THE CREEK IN THE BACK.
WE'D HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE CREEK WORK IN THE FRONT, AS YOU CAN SEE.
BUT IT'S STILL A GREAT, POTENTIALLY GREAT PROJECT.
SO IS THIS NUMBER TWO? YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
THAT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION.
SAME GENERAL ACCESS AND, UH, PLAN.
UM, THERE IS AN INTERSECTING STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, I DON'T HAVE MY MAPS WITH ME, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAIN STREET, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT MIGHT - IT MATCHES.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING COULD MAKE SENSE FOR A FUTURE SIGNAL LIGHT, UH, INTERSECTION THERE, UM, TO CONTROL TRAFFIC.
I GUESS IT'D BE THE ONLY SIGNAL FROM I-10 TO, UH, TO HURF ROAD.
BUT, UM, UH, COULD HELP WITH SOME TRAFFIC FLOW.
UM, WORK WITH TXDOT, I GUESS, ON SOME OF THIS.
BUT, UM - NOW, JOE, WHILE WE'RE HERE, UM, WE, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THIS THIRD, UH, ILLUSTRATION.
WHERE WE WOULD DO THAT SO THEY WOULD KNOW.
UM, PROBABLY SOMETHING I DID, BUT...
ANYWAY, THE IDEA WAS TO INCORPORATE A SMALL VILLAGE AREA HERE SO THAT WE STILL GET TO BENEFIT FROM THAT INTERSECTION OF THE CREEKS WHERE THERE'S A REAL PRETTY OPPORTUNITY.
SO JUST PRESS THIS ONE AROUND THIS.
YOU WANT TO START? THIS KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS...
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I'LL JUST SHOW YOU ALL REAL QUICK.THE PORTION OF THIS SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED, BASICALLY, AND THE BLUE IS THE CREEK COMING THROUGH, UH, SUBS CREEK, AND THE GREEN IS THE PARK TRAIL SYSTEM, ET CETERA, THAT CONNECTS PERK ROAD OVER TO OPEN SAN ANTONIO ROAD.
SO THAT AREA OUTLINED IN RED, WE THOUGH WAS STILL A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A, AGAIN, A, A, UH, CONCENTRATED, UH, WHETHER IT WAS A RESTAURANT ORIENTED PLAZA WITH OTHER USES, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, SPECIALTY STORES, ICE CREAM, COFFEE, YOGURT, ON AND ON.
I MEAN, JUST THAT SORT OF THING WHERE PEOPLE CAN STOP ALONG THE WAY AND, AND GATHER THERE.
AND IT'S, YOU CAN ENVISION SOMETHING THAT'S LIT UP AT NIGHT AND RIGHT OFF THE CREEK.
THAT'S, UH, WE STILL HAVE THOSE PARK IMPROVEMENTS ADJACENT TO IT.
OKAY, WE'RE DOWN TO HERE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ANYWAY.
MR. BROWN, MR. SCOTT, BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION, IS THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL WANNA PRESENT FOR THE TIME BEING? I THINK SO.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, IT'LL BECOME OBVIOUS AFTER WE TALK THROUGH STUFF.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION THAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING.
ON THIS PARTICULAR SCREEN, CAN YOU TELL US KIND OF SOME REFERENCE POINT? WHERE IS, LIKE, THE CURRENT DOG AND PONY GRILL? THE CURRENT WHAT? THE DOG AND PONY.
OH, UH - WHERE IS, WOULD IT BE ON THIS? IT, IT WOULD BASICALLY BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT SITE THERE, UM, WHERE WE HAVE THE, UH, COMMON ACCESS ROAD, THE INTERNAL ROAD, UH, GOING ACROSS FROM THOSE TWO POINTS OF EN- ENTRANCE.
ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER FRYER? SURE.
I'M UNCLEAR HOW WE GOT FROM THE BEAUTIFUL COLOR PRESENTATION OF THE VILLAGE TO THIS, BECAUSE THIS, TO ME, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AFTER LOOKING AT THAT.
WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? YEAH.
UH, IT, IT, IT COMES FROM, UH, SOME INITIAL, UH, UH, RESISTANCE TO MULTIFAMILY.
HONESTLY, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING 250,000 YARDS OF DIRT ON THIS PROJECT.
I MEAN, IT'S A L - IT'S A LOT OF DIRT TO, UH, TO, UH, UH, UM, TO LEVEL IT AND SO, SO THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENSE TO IT.
THE VILLAGE IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD.
UM, MOST LIKELY, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT, UM, UH, ECONOMIC INCENTIVES FROM THE CITY OR OTHERS TO MAKE IT WORK.
SO THIS WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE TYPE OF INCENTIVES THAT THAT WOULD...
SO THOSE, THAT'S ANOTHER BIG DIFFERENCE.
AND WE JUST, AGAIN, NOT FAR, FAR ENOUGH DOWN THE ROAD, UH, TO HAVE ANY EXPECTATIONS, UH, OF THE CITY OR OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, ON WHERE THAT ALL SORTS OUT.
SO I GUESS WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE OURSELVES THE BEST, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR SUCCESS, UH, ON, ON THIS, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS.
AND, UM - AND, AND I'D LIKE TO ADD, TOO, THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT IT'S A, IT'S A TEAM EFFORT.
IT'S ALMOST A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE FULL SUPPORT, WE...
WE DON'T WANNA GET DOWN THE ROAD AND REALIZE, "WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY DON'T WANT IT." AND SO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT CAME BACK, NOT THAT IT WAS NEC- NECESSARILY DEF- DEFINITIVE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO SEE, WELL, HERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT, YOU KNOW? JUST ANOTHER FLAVOR.
AND THIS PROPERTY IS, IS, IS UNDER, UH, AGRICULTURAL USE RIGHT NOW.
SO, I MEAN, THERE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND UNLESS WE SOLVE SOME OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT ISSUES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT CONCEPT OR ANYTHING ELSE, I- IF WE CAN'T SOLVE THOSE, THEN WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF STEP ONE FOR US.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, HAVE, HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE CAN GET WITH THIS EVENTUALLY
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IN TERMS OF, UH, OUR PDD AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.UM, IF, IF, UH, APARTMENTS AREN'T ALLOWED, THAT'S OKAY.
COMMISSIONER KATES, I KNOW YOU WERE A PART OF THE COMMISSION WHEN THE SOBO DISTRICT WAS A, A CONCEPT TO IT BEING THE, THE, THE SOBO DISTRICT BEING DEVELOPED, NOT, NOT PHYSICALLY DEVELOPED, BUT DESIGNED AND BUILT OUT.
WOULD YOU MIND JUST WITH THIS COMMISSIONER, YOU DO A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THE MINDSET AT THE TIME? YEAH.
I, I WAS ACTUALLY NOT ON THE, UH, COMMISSION WHEN SOBO WAS, UH, PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC AND - OKAY.
AND THEY WENT THROUGH ALL THAT.
I WAS ON THE COMMISSION WHEN SOBO STARTED TRYING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING THEY HAD AGREED TO THAT THE PUBLIC HAD SUPPORTED.
AND, UH, IN FACT, MY FIRST NOTE ON THE VERY TOP, YOUR INITIAL RENDERINGS, AND, AND IT, AND, AND I, I WOULD LIKE AN EXPLANATION FROM YOU GUYS BECAUSE THE INITIAL RENDERINGS ARE LIKE, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, BERNIE'S ALWAYS NEEDED THIS.
BUT THEN WE GO TO THIS AS PLAN ONE AND PLAN TWO, AND THE INITIAL RENDERINGS DON'T FIT ANYWHERE ON PLAN ONE OR PLAN TWO THAT I CAN SEE.
SO - NO, AND THEY WEREN'T INTENDED - YEAH, IT'S A DIFFERENT - TWO SEPARATE APPROACHES.
IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROJECT.
BUT I MEAN, WE, WE, WE TRIED TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT IN THAT BACK AREA WHERE WE HIGHLIGHTED, BUT YES.
MY, MY POINT BEING THAT SOBO WAS SOLD AS A WALKABLE, UH, LIVE-WORK PROJECT WITH A LOT OF OPEN SPACE, A LOT OF TRAILS, A LOT OF FAMILY SPACE.
YOUR RENDERINGS PORTRAYED THAT BEAUTIFULLY, BUT THE PLANT DOESN'T MATCH THE RENDERINGS, IN MY OPINION.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
UM - WELL, AND, AND - WHAT PLAT, WHAT PLAT? UH, YOUR PLANT ONE AND, UH, PLAN ONE AND PLAN TWO.
THIS RIGHT HERE, THAT - OH, THAT'S NOT...
YEAH, THAT- THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, I'M TRYING TO, TO CLARIFY FOR YOU IS THE VILLAGE WAS A COMPLETE SEPARATE VISION AND IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT SOBO DESCRIBES.
AND THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T PURSUE THAT AVENUE, BUT WE FELT THAT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE WERE GETTING, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE A CHANCE.
AND, AND THIS, UH, AR - THE ARCHITECT PUT THESE TOGETHER, UM, AND WITHOUT THE TIME TO DO ANY SORT OF, UH, VERTICAL ELEVATIONS.
IT, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S, WE CAN DO THAT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO THAT IF WE NEED TO AND, OR, OR IF WE GET TO THAT POINT, BUT, UM, IT'S JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
BUT WE DID TRY TO CAPTURE UTILIZA - UTILIZING THE, UH, THE, UH, TRAIL SYSTEM IN THE CREEK AND - RIGHT.
AND THE BEAUTIFICATION AND ALL THAT.
WE WOULD STILL TRY TO CAPTURE THAT AND CREATE THAT, UH, ENVIRONMENT.
AND THERE MAY BE SOME MORE OPPORTUNITY THAN THIS SHOWS RIGHT NOW.
WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR ALONG.
I THINK, I THINK, UH, SOBO HAS BEEN SUCH A DISAPPOINTMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR, UH, FOR, I'LL JUST SPEAK FOR ME PERSONALLY, BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, UH, IT, IT'S NOT BEING DEVELOPED ANYWHERE NEAR AS WHAT IT WAS SOLD AS AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY AGREED TO AND, AND, AND, UH, WHAT THE VISION WAS FOR SOBO.
I DON'T WANNA REPEAT THAT M- MISTAKE FOR THE CITIZENS OF BERNIE.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THESE GREAT RENDERINGS IN THIS BEAUTIFUL PLAN AND END UP WITH JUST A BUNCH OF BANKS AND NAIL SALONS AND, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST REGULAR STRIP CENTER RETAIL THERE.
AND SO I, I WANT TO HEAR SOME ASSURANCES ON THAT.
UM, FROM, FROM WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE SAID, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT THE CAPACITY TO BUILD A SOBO TYPE, UH, PROJECT HERE THAT WOULD BE WALKABLE AND, AND A PLACE PEOPLE WOULD WANNA COME AND, LIKE YOU SAID, SPEND A FEW HOURS, NOT JUST RUN IN, GET A HAMBURGER AND RUN OUT.
UH, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT BERNIE DESPERATELY NEEDS RIGHT NOW.
UH, IS PART OF THIS PROPERTY ANY PART WHERE THEY'VE BEEN HAULING IN, UH, FIELD FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS? I WOULDN'T SAY YEARS AND YEARS, BUT THE ANSWER IS THERE IS SOME, UM, DIRT PILES ON THE PROPERTY.
AND I THINK I C - I CAN TELL YOU GENERALLY HOW IT TOOK PLACE, BUT WHEN, WHEN HEARF ROAD WAS BUILT, THERE WAS SOME DIRT THAT THE COUNTY KNEW THEY WERE GONNA HAVE AVAILABLE AND IT ENDED UP GETTING PUT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.
MR. WALTERS GOT SOME OF IT, AND THEN SOME OF IT ENDED UP ON OUR PROP - ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, IT, IT OBVIOUSLY IS PART OF WHAT WE'LL DO WHEN WE CLEAN IT ALL UP, BUT YES, SIR, THERE ARE SOME DIRT PILES.
WELL, SO I WAS THINKING THAT WAS KIND OF AN, AN ANTICIPATION OF RAISING PART OF THIS OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN WAS THE REASON THAT WAS PUT THERE.
UM, SO, UH, YEAH, I, I, I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT.
YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF, UH, GOT A LOT OF PROMISES ON SOBO THAT WILL NOT END UP BEING KEPT.
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I WOULDN'T WANNA GO DOWN THAT ROAD AGAIN HERE.SO, UH, I THINK, UH, BETTER ASSURANCES.
ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD, IT SEEMED LIKE YOU HAD SOME, UH, UH, IMAGES OF OTHER PROJECTS YOU'VE DONE SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE ALL THE IMAGES WERE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY AS-BUILT IMAGES OR ACTUAL IMAGES OF WHAT YOU DID ON THESE PROJECTS? YES, WE DO.
UM, IN FACT, UH, ONE OF THE CURRENT ONES, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE BCS, UM, UH, PROJECTS, UH, WITH US.
THEY WERE IN ONE OF THE PACKAGES THAT WE'D PUT TOGETHER BEFORE, BUT, UM, UH, JUST BROUGHT THIS CURRENT PROJECT, UH, WE HAVE THAT'S A MIXED USE PROJECT IN MISSOURI CITY, TEXAS.
IT'S DOWN IN FORT BEND COUNTY.
MR. BROWN, WHILE HE'S PASSING THESE OUT, YOU HAVE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES THE FEEDBACK YOU'RE, YOU'VE BEEN RECEIVING.
UH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FROM CITY STAFF? IS THAT WHO - WELL, YOU KNOW, I, UM, I WOULD SAY SOME FROM STAFF, YES.
BUT, UM, IN, IN OUR FIRST PRESENTATION, THERE, THERE WAS A CHANCE FOR SOME, UH, QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
AND I WOULD SAY REALLY THE, THE MAIN CONCERN WAS THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT AND, AND, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE ALSO HOW IT WOULD RELATE TO DOWNTOWN A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THAT'S FROM STAFF, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FEEDBACKS COMING FROM? SEVERAL PEOPLE VOICED THAT.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANT TO SAY EVERYBODY DID, BUT THERE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
UH, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS PLAN TWO IS THE ONLY ONE WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, PUBLIC ACCESS TO OLD SAN ANTONIO.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AS COMPARED TO THE VILLAGE? AS COMPARED TO PLAN ONE AND THE VILLAGE.
THE VILLAGE, BECAUSE IT'S SO FRONT END FOCUSED, PROBABLY DOESN'T NEED A PUBLIC ROAD TO SAN ANTONIO, OLD SAN ANTONIO, BUT IT DOES NEED AN EMERGENCY ROAD.
THIS ONE PROBABLY COULD GO EITHER WAY AS WELL, BUT, BUT THESE MORE TYPICAL TYPES OF PROJECTS, MY TENDENCY IS FOR THAT TO BE PUBLIC ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THAT'S JUST - IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.
BUT THAT DECISION HASN'T REALLY BEEN MADE YET.
I WOULD JUST SPEAK AS, AS ONE COMMISSIONER.
UM, THAT, UH, WOULD PRETTY MUCH BE HARD, UH, HARD TO ACCEPT FOR ME.
OLD SAN ANTONIO IS JUST NOT BUILT FOR ANY TRAFFIC.
AND, AND - OH, YOU MEAN IF WE, IF WE HAD THE PUBLIC ROAD, YOU THINK IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC? YES.
I, I, THE, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY FAR ACCESS ROAD, THAT'S FINE.
BUT A PUBLIC ROAD AT THAT PARTICULAR SPOT WOULD BE VERY PROBLEMATIC.
AND I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO GO PUBLIC.
I WAS JUST TELLING YOU IT PROBABLY COULD, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE EASIER TO BUILD IT IF IT'S PRIVATE.
UH, AND ON THIS, THANK YOU FOR THIS, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL IMAGES OF WHAT'S BEEN BUILT THERE.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DOES - MOST OF THAT'S BEEN BUILT, UH, AS, UH, THAT, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
I JUST BROUGHT OUR OVERALL CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S - RIGHT.
UM, THIS, ALL, ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN BUILT, DEVELOPED OUT, AND WE'RE ON THIS LAST, UM, UH, MIXED USE PIECE.
NEXT TIME WE MEET, IF YOU COULD HAVE SOME ACTUAL IMAGES OF WHAT YOU'VE ACTUALLY BUILT AS OPPOSED TO ARCHITECTURAL, SUNSETS, LIGHTS ARE GLOWING, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S HAIR IS PERFECT.
UH, UH, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOME ACTUAL IMAGES OF WHAT YOU'VE BUILT.
AND I WOULDN'T PUT IT PAST ANYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION TO GO DO A PHYSICAL VISIT THEMSELVES.
GIVE, GIVE US A, GIVE US A RING.
COMMISSIONER BYRD? UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE REALLY, REALLY EARLY ON ALL OF THIS.
A LOT OF THIS IS JUST CONCEPT AND, I MEAN, I'VE GOT SOME OPINIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I QUESTION A LITTLE BIT.
I'M JUST CURIOUS IF BERNIE CAN SUPPORT IT, UM, WHAT YOUR NUMBERS LOOK LIKE AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS DO, SO I'M, I'M GUESSING IT CAN.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A NIGHTLIFE.
UH, WE KIND OF ROLL UP OUR SIDEWALKS AT 7:30 UNLESS YOU'RE 19 YEARS OLD OR...
I GUESS, WHAT'S THE DRINKING AGE NOW? 21?
UM, SO IT, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING, BUT I MEAN, I'M GUESSING THAT Y'ALL ARE ENVISIONING...
SO THE, THE FIRST RENDERINGS THAT WE SAW, UH, WERE ABSOLUTELY
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LOVELY.AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD, UH, WOULD MIND HAVING THAT DEVELOPMENT IN, IN BERNIE.
UM, OF COURSE, AS PARTNERS, WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, VERY, UH, INVESTED IN THE SUCCESS OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST KIND OF WONDER IF WITHOUT THE, UH, HIGH DENSITY, YOU KNOW, COMBINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU, YOU CAN CREATE A WALKABLE DESTINATION, UM, WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO TRAVEL TO SPEND TIME THERE.
UM, SO SIMILAR TO, I GUESS, LIKE, THE PEARL IN, IN SAN ANTONIO ON BROADWAY.
I, I COULDN'T BELIEVE WHEN THEY WERE DEVELOPING THAT.
I THOUGH, REALLY, BROADWAY? AND, AND I'D HAVE LOST A GAJILLION DOLLARS ON THAT DEAL.
BUT ONE THING THEY DID DO, WHICH IS INTERESTING, IS CREATE SOME LUXURY LIVING THERE, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN NOW THEY HAVE BOTH.
WHEN I LOOK AT BERNIE, AND I, AND I THINK, UH, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT A...
AND YES, APARTMENTS ARE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE, UM, ANY HIGH DENSITY TYPE LIVING.
BUT WE, WE HAD ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE INVENTORY IS IN BERNIE FOR, FOR APARTMENTS, WHAT'S AVAILABLE, WHAT THE VACANCY RATE IS, AND WHAT THE DEMAND IS.
AND WE NEVER DID GET AN ANSWER.
UM, SO I WOULD ALSO BE CURIOUS WITH A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE THIS EXPENSIVE, I'M SURE, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, A MORE LUXURY LIFESTYLE CONDO, LOWER DENSITY, UH, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT WORK OR THAT WE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN.
AND THERE'S NOT MUCH OF IT AVAILABLE - RIGHT.
IN BERNIE, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA OR, OR IN TOWN.
I LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN AND, AND WE WALK EVERYWHERE AND ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE LIFESTYLE.
UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.
I THINK OUR, MY MAIN CONCERN WOULD BE JUST STRAINING THE RESOURCES IF ANYBODY BROUGHT UP HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY AGAIN.
MR. BIRD, COULD I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR.
UM, I THINK I'M HEARING YOU SAY THAT THE, THE RIGHT KIND OF APARTMENT OR MULTIFAMILY WOULD BE WORTH IT TO, TO GET THE PROJECT DONE.
I- IS THAT CORRECT? NOT, NOT, NOT SO MUCH MULTIFAMILY, BUT IF - TELL ME MORE ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD BE.
SO JUST ME PERSONALLY, UH, THE, THE, A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PENTHOUSE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, I'D RAISE MY HAND.
AND FROM A SCARCITY MODEL, IT'S GREAT BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE.
THERE'S TWO CATTY-CORNER TO THE KENDALL HOTEL THAT, UH, THAT GOT DEVELOPED, AND THE TWO DEVELOPERS ARE LIVING IN THEM.
THAT, THAT - BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT IT'S BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY MORE INNER CITY BURNING.
ANY GROWTH OR EXPANSION IS GONNA BE OUTSIDE OUR CITY LIMITS GOING OUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PRECIOUS.
AND THEN IT'S, IT'S A PRECIOUS, YOU KNOW, COMMODITY AND WE NEED TO TREAT IT AS SUCH.
SO IF WE DO DEVELOP SOMETHING THERE, IT SHOULD BE THE ABSOLUTE HIGHEST PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT IF YOU WANNA PARTICIPATE, IN MY OPINION.
BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, I THINK WE COULD STAND A LITTLE LUXURY.
WELL, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THOSE IMAGES, UH, SHOWED A COMBINATION MIXED USE AND MULTIFAMILY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IF THE PENTHOUSE IS PART OF IT? AS LONG AS IT'S NOT CONSIDERED HIGH DENSITY.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S, AS LONG AS IT'S A VERY MANAGEABLE NUMBER.
YOU - AND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
BUT, BUT WHEN YOU SAY DENSITY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LET'S JUST SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, A TYPICAL, LIKE, A 32 UNITS PER ACRE TYPE DEAL, THAT'S A HIGH DENSITY.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT KIND OF A COMPARISON.
SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT OR SOMETHING.
AND, AND WHAT WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IS 45 PLUS UNITS PER ACRE.
SO - I'M JUST SPITBALLING, JUST - YEAH.
BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEEM TO BE AT THAT POINT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL WORK, WHAT WON'T WORK, WHAT'S A, WHAT'S A HARD NO, WHAT'S A MAYBE.
SO FROM 40,000 FEET, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I SEE.
I THINK OWNER OCCUPIED COULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOR SALE UNITS.
YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
ALTHOUGH, AT THE PEARL, IT'S 13,000 A MONTH TO RENT THE PENTHOUSE,
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AND IT'S RENTED.I MEAN, THE MINUTE SOMEBODY'S LEAVING, SOMEBODY'S COMING IN.
WELL, I THINK THE PEARL'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF, UH, OF THE POSSIBILITY.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE LIVING THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'VE GOT RETAIL AND RESTAURANT ON THE BOTTOM AND, AND, UH, APARTMENTS ON TOP, I THINK THAT CAN BE ATTRACTIVE AS LONG AS IT'S NOT JUST LIKE, LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER BIRD SAID, JUST REAL HIGH DENSITY.
WE DON'T WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, 200 APARTMENTS STACKED IN THERE.
WELL, AND THE REALLY COOL THING ON THE RETAIL SIDE IS, IS, IS IT'S, UM, SMALLER ENTREPRENEURIAL RETAIL, YOU KNOW, LIKE JAZZ TEXAS.
JOHN WATSON, YOU KNOW, HE JUST OPENED A LOCATION IN CHICAGO NOW.
AND THE PEARLS IS, IS, YOU KNOW, MAIN LOCATION.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, IT'S NEAT.
IT'S, YOU LOVE TO SEE LOCAL PEOPLE DO WELL AND, AND GROW THEIR BUSINESS.
SO THAT KIND OF A FEEL, I THINK, WOULD BE VERY WELCOME.
UH, NOT SO MUCH A JAZZ CLUB, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS CAN GET INVOLVED IN, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE BIG BOX.
UM - AND MOST OF THAT IS, UH - TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT.
NORTH ON MAIN STREET, WHAT I GUESS THE MAYOR REFERRED TO AS OLD BERNIE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S PART, I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH, UH, UM, UP THERE.
UM, YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, A LITTLE DIFFERENT TO MAKE IT WORK.
BUT, UM, UH - WELL, WE ALSO NEED TO BE VERY SELF-CONSCIOUS THAT WE DON'T STRAIN OUR RESOURCES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OUR ROADS, OUR WATER, OUR...
SO I, I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE VERY IMPORTANT, THAT, THAT THE NUMBERS REMAIN MANAGEABLE.
LET, LET ME ADD SOMETHING TO THAT THEN, BECAUSE WE, WE DID A LOT, AN EXTENSIVE REVIEW OF THE UTILITIES, AND WE PROBABLY KNOW MOST OF THIS, BUT THE MAIN SEWER, S- SEWER, UH, CITY'S MAIN SEWER LINE RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, THE WATER IS ON TWO SIDES OF OUR, OF OUR PROPERTY ALREADY.
WE, WE HAVE TO EXTEND IT FOR A LITTLE DISTANCE.
BUT THE INTERESTING THING IS, WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE RECYCLING CENTER.
SO WE CAN SAVE A LOT OF WATER USE JUST BY USING EFFLUENT TO WATER THE GREEN SPACES.
SO WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THE UTILITY SITUATION.
MR.ERSINO, I SEE, I SEE YOU'RE ANXIOUS OVER THERE.
THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE APPETITE FOR MULTIFAMILY, UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN A LITTLE TO NONE IN BERNIE, UM, FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT.
THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T FIVE BUILDINGS, A PARKING LOT IN THE GATE, RIGHT? UM, SO I THINK THE, IF YOU PACKAGE THIS CORRECTLY AND IT BECOMES PART OF THIS VISION, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE AN APPETITE FOR IT.
I MEAN, TO BYRD'S POINT, UM, COMMISSIONER BIRD'S POINT, I MEAN, THREE-STORY, UM, TOWNHOUSE WITH A ROOFTOP DECK.
I MEAN, I MIGHT SELL MY HOUSE AND MOVE IN.
SO, UM, I WOULDN'T DISCOUNT THAT COMPLETELY.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER, UM, POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WORK, LIVE, AND PLAY, THE ORIGINAL WORK, LIVE, AND PLAY IN BERNIE IS OBVIOUSLY MAIN STREET, RIGHT? SO I WOULD, I, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW A PROJECT LIKE THIS COMPLIMENTS MAIN STREET AND DOESN'T CANNIBALIZE OR COMPETE WITH MAIN STREET.
YOU KNOW, SO IS THERE, IS THERE CAPACITY TO HAVE GOOD CROWD ON A SATURDAY NIGHT HERE AND A GOOD CROWD ON A SATURDAY NIGHT MAIN STREET OR SATURDAY, SATURDAY MORNING? UM, SO I THINK, I THINK OUR, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS ON MAIN STREET MIGHT WANNA KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY WANNA HOPEFULLY MAKE THIS, UM, POSSIBLE FOR, FOR EVERYONE.
I MEAN, I, I LOVE THIS CONCEPT.
I THINK THIS IS AMAZING, UM, AND I THINK BERNIE NEEDS IT.
UM, AND I THINK WITH SOME, I THINK SOME DISCUSSION, MAYBE SOME COMPROMISE, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR IT.
I THINK IT IS, UH, THE IDEA WE HAVE WOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY TO MAIN STREET.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, IF, IF IT'S NOT, THEN THERE'S NOT THE MARKET WE THINK THERE IS AROUND HERE, AND THERE'S NOT THE DEMOGRAPHICS AROUND HERE AND THE, UH, THE DENSITY THAT WE'D NEED TO MAKE A PROJECT LIKE THIS EVEN REMOTELY SUCCESSFUL.
BUT I DO LIKE YOUR IDEA ON THE FOR SALE PRODUCT, THE, UM, BROWNSTONES OR IF YOU WANNA CALL THEM THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, TWO AND THREE STORY, UM, UH, TOWN HOME STYLE, ATTACHED, DETACHED, WHATEVER, THAT, THAT WE JUST NEED MORE LAND THAN WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UH, ALONG WITH THE MULTIFAMILY.
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I MEAN, WE COULD, WE CAN KEEP WORKING ON THE PLAN, BUT - YEAH.UM, UM, BUT THE HIGH DENSITY IS, AGAIN, I STARTED OFF BY SAYING THIS.
I MEAN, THAT'S, AGAIN, CRITICAL COMPONENT OF, OF THE SUCCESS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ECONOMIC, UH, BENEFITS THAT IT BRINGS, BOTH, BOTH FROM, UM, A, A, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC STANDPOINT AND FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.
UM - I MEAN, MUCH SMALLER SCALE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THIS AND THE, THE, UM, THE DOMAIN IN, UM, AUSTIN, RIGHT? RIGHT.
YOU GOT THE MIXED USE, YOU GOT THE RESTAURANTS, YOU GOT THE SHOPPING, YOU GOT THE COFFEE SHOPS.
ALL PEDESTRIAN, UH - YOU HAVE IT ALL.
ALL THE STRUCTURED PARKING IS, IS DISGUISED.
UH, BEHIND, YOU DON'T SEE ANY OF IT.
IT IS, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT IF YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.
BUT YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF LAND TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, AGAIN, SMALLER SCALE, BUT BOY, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IF THIS EVER CAME TO FRUITION, I THINK IT WOULD PUT, IT'D BE A GAME CHANGER FOR BERNIE.
MR. SCOTT, YOU MENTIONED HIGH DENSITY SEVERAL TIMES.
WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF HIGH DENSITY? WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE IN MIND FOR THIS? HOW LONG, HOW MANY ACRES? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL? YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING HIGH DENSITY.
CONCENTRATED IS, IS PROBABLY A BETTER WORD, BUT HIGH DENSITY IS, IS ALSO MEANS CONCENTRATED.
YOU, YOU CAN GET 250 UNITS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON A 12 BUILDING, YOU KNOW, GARDEN STYLE, THREE STORY SURFACE PARKED TYPE PROJECT, OR YOU CAN GET 250 UNITS ON...
I MEAN, THEY DO IT ON FOUR ACRES OR LESS IN, IN CERTAIN CASES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, YOU'RE JUST MORE CONCENTRATED.
UH, AND, AND SO TYPICALLY WE REFER TO DENSITY AS UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, 18 TO 20 IS LOW DENSITY, 25 MID DENSITY, 30 PLUS IS HIGHER DENSITY.
AND, AND AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING FROM A SURFACE PARK TO A STRUCTURED PARKING, PARKED PROJECT.
UM, SO YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T NEED THE, THE LAND AREA BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING UP LEVELS OF PARKING EITHER ON A PODIUM, THEY CALL IT, YOU BUILD AROUND THE PODIUM.
UM, THAT'S THE TYPICAL DEAL, BUT...
AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR WHERE THE GARAGE IS AND ALL THAT AND THE LEASING OFFICE, ET CETERA, AND THEN FOUR OR FIVE STORIES OF APARTMENTS ABOVE THAT TO GET TO THAT KIND OF DENSITY.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL IN HOUSTON IS 60 UNITS AN ACRE IS, IS TYPICALLY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING ON THEIR URBAN PROJECTS.
WHEN YOU SAY YOU NEED THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO MAKE THIS WORK, HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE IN YOUR PLAN OR ARE - WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN YET, BUT I, I WOULD...
I MEAN, DEVELOPERS THESE DAYS DON'T DO LESS THAN 250 UNITS IN A PROJECT.
IT'S JUST TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS WORK.
NOBODY'S DOING LESS THAN 250 UNITS.
NONE OF THE MAJOR DEVELOPERS ARE DOING THAT.
I JUST SOLD A SITE ON ONE OF OUR PROJECTS TWO YEARS AGO.
THEY DID 308 UNITS AND, UM, AND THEN LAST YEAR, EARLY LAST YEAR, 275 UNITS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL 25 PLUS, 25, 27 UNITS AN ACRE.
UM, THAT DOESN'T FIT WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL WANT AND IT DOESN'T FIT THIS - RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? UM, JUST A COUPLE OF...
I AGREE WITH EV - WHAT EVERYBODY SAID HERE.
I THINK 80% OF MY QUESTIONS ARE ALREADY ANSWERED.
THE OTHER ONES IS MAYBE A LITTLE PREMATURE, BUT WITH TXDOT THAT YOU MENTIONED, UM, YOU KNOW, TURNING AND SAFETY AND SPEED LIMIT AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT I'D ASK MORE IN THE FUTURE, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S COVERED.
THE OTHER IS I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.
SO, LIKE, WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THIS, THE CREEK AND THE, THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT? AND WOULD THAT BE A PARTNERSHIP TYPE OF DEAL OR WHAT...
TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP.
TYPICALLY, WHAT WE DO IN THESE PROJECTS WHEN WE HAVE THE CITY INVOLVED, AND THESE ARE USUALLY ON, ON LARGER SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, BUT WE, UM, WE OWN THE LAND AND WE EITHER DEDICATE IT TO THE CITY AND, UM, AND THEY BUILD THOSE AMENITIES THAT THEY'RE, THEY WANT TO HAVE OUT THERE, OR WE WILL BUILD, BUILD THE AMENITIES AND THEN DEDICATE IT TO THE CITY FOR MAIN - OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS.
AND, UM, THE, THE, THE CITY PARKS, DOES THE CITY MAINTAIN MOST OF THEIR PARKS ON THEIR OWN AS A PARKS DEPARTMENT? CORRECT.
AND TRAIL- TRAILS AS WELL? IF THE CITY OWNS IT.
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DOES.BUT H- HOA, THEN IT'S NOT PUBLIC.
AND WHAT Y'ALL WANT IS SOMETHING PUBLIC TO, TO GET THAT CONNECTIVITY.
BUT, BUT YES, WE, WE CAN DO IT BOTH WAYS.
I MEAN, WE CAN DEDICATE IT AND, UM, TO, TO THE CITY WITH A...
IT WOULD BE PART OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TYPICALLY THAT WE WOULD ENTER INTO.
UM, OTHERWISE, IT'S JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A, UM, A, UH, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT - RIGHT.
WHEN I FIRST SAW THE PICTURES, IT REMINDED ME OF THE NEWER PART OF THE WOODLANDS.
UM, THEY HAVE A PARKING GARAGE THAT'S KIND OF HIDDEN, WHICH IS REALLY NICE.
AND THEN THE RESTAURANT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER WATER - YEAH.
IN, IN THE LAKE AND EVERYTHING.
AND, UH, WHAT I SAW IN THE PICTURE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW AT, AT THE VERY END, BUT THE, WHAT I SAW WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS, LOOKED VERY NICE.
SO I HOPE THAT IT WOULD WORK OUT.
CHRIS, HOW DO, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS MULTIFAMILY DISCUSSION? AND THE MULTIFAMILY PART, THAT'S A...
YEAH, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER PIECE OF THIS, AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT I COULD, LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER BYRD SAID, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER END, UH, WOULD BE NICE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA GET 250 UNITS IN, IN THAT S - LIKE THAT, IN THAT SPACE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A GRAY AREA, BUT, UH, IN MY MIND IS, HOW ARE YOU GONNA ACCOMPLISH THAT? I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE KEY IS THAT IT'S ALL SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S MARKET-DRIVEN, DEMAND DRIVEN, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, WHAT PART OF OUR JOB IS TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE DENSITY IN THE POPULATION AND THE TRAFFIC AND, AND ALL ADJACENT TO DOWNTOWN, ALL THAT SORT OF THING LIKE PEARL DOES.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A, A LOT, LOT MORE DEMAND THERE.
IT'S, THIS IS A SMALL VERSION OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT THE, OR IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH CLEAR FORK IN FORT WORTH ALONG THE TRENDY RIVER, ANYBODY KNOW THAT DEVELOPMENT? IT, IT, IT'S, UH, OF COURSE THEY HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE, OF THE TRENDY RIVER, WHICH IS MAIN, BUT IT'S JUST A GREAT, UH, UH...
WE HAVE TWO SONS AT TCU OR WERE AT TCU.
WHEN WE'D GO UP TO VISIT, WE'D ALWAYS RUN OR WALK ALONG THAT TRAIL AND, UH, ALONG AND GO INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THEY JUST HAD A COFFEE SHOP, ICE CREAM SHOP, ALL THAT STUFF RIGHT ALONG THE WAY.
YOU JUST PULL OFF AND, YOU KNOW, 10 FOOT WIDE HIKE AND BIKE PATHS O- ON BOTH SIDES.
UH, BUT, UH, THIS TO, TO A S - A MUCH LESSER SCALE, SMALLER SCALE AT LEAST, THAT'S WHAT KIND OF THE VISION IS HERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT CREEK, UM, YOU KNOW, TO CLEAN IT OUT.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S BEEN MAINTAINED ON THAT CREEK.
IT'S GOT LOTS OF STUFF BACKED UP IN IT.
IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED OUT AND SO IT FLOWS BETTER.
AND, UM, AND AGAIN, THERE'S A PROCESS TO, UM, AMENITIZE IT AND MAKE IT NICE AND FOR, FOR THE, UH, PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE GONNA BE GOING ALONGSIDE THE CREEK.
AND, AND ALL, I LIKE THE IDEA, UM, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK OUT.
ANYBODY ELSE? COMMISSIONER FIRE? SO I THINK WE HAVE THREE CONCEPTS, AND WE'VE REALLY SPOKEN PRIMARILY ABOUT THE FIRST ONE, AND I THINK WE CAN ALL GET BEHIND.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ENVISIONED FOR SOBO.
UM, I THINK 250 UNITS ON FIVE ACRES SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A DEAL KILLER, BUT I LIVED ON FIVE ACRES A WHILE BACK AND I CAN'T IMAGINE 250 UNITS ON THAT FIVE ACRES.
I GET FINANCIALLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
IF WE TALK ABOUT OPTION TWO AND THREE, KIND OF YOUR BIG BOX STANDARD DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT WHAT I SEE FOR SOBO AT ALL.
I WORRY THAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK KINDA LIKE WHAT WE ALREADY JUST GOT ON I-10 THAT'S NOT SUPER BECOMING.
IT DOESN'T SAY WELCOME TO BERNIE.
IT DOESN'T SAY ENTRANCE CORRIDOR TO THE HILL COUNTRY MILE AND THINGS LIKE THAT LIKE THIS DOES.
MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER HAPPY MEDIUM IN THAT ONE LITTLE SECTION - RIGHT.
I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT CLOSER TO MAIN STREET, NOT TUCKED IN THE BACK.
SO I THINK IF THERE'S MAYBE SOME WAY TO GATHER THIS STYLE AND HAD WHATEVER ELSE YOU NEED IN THE BACK TO MAKE IT WORK FINANCIALLY, THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPEALING.
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WHAT I HAD IN MY MIND.IT WAS LATE THE OTHER EVENING WHEN I OPENED UP THE FILE AND STARTED LOOKING AT IT AND I SHOWED MY HUSBAND.
I WAS LIKE, "YOU GOTTA COME SEE THIS.
SOMEONE'S BEEN LISTENING TO EVERY MEETING WE'VE EVER HAD ABOUT SOBO AND PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND IT'S, IT'S FABULOUS." UM - WELL, MS. FRYER, YOU JUST GAVE ME AN IDEA, SO THANK YOU.
I MEAN, THAT, UH, ON SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED THERE ABOUT, UH, HOW TO TAKE A L - TAKE A DIFFERENT LOOK AT IT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL SEE, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT MIGHT WORK OUT.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET BACK WITH THE ARCHITECT AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND, UM, MIGHT BE ABLE TO - WE WANNA GET CREATIVE.
AND WE WANT Y'ALL TO BE CREATIVE TOO.
THERE'S NOTHING - IT'S A GIVE OR TAKE.
THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING US FROM INTEGRATING THIS TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE INTO, INTO THE PROJECT, EVEN IF IT, A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT LAYOUT OR A DIFFERENT SCHEME.
UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK WHEN WE SEE, OR AT LEAST FOR ME, WHEN I SEE PAD SITES OR HEAR PAD SITES, I DON'T ENVISION THIS PICTURE.
I ENVISION A BIG CEMENT BLOCK.
SO I THINK MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO MASH THIS ALL UP INTO SOMETHING MAYBE A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE? COMMISSIONER KATES.
QUICK QUESTION AND MAY NOT BE REALLY VISIBLE.
JUST FOR, UH, COMPARISON PURPOSES, UM, NATHAN, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY UNITS, UH, THERE ARE IN THE SOBO APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND WALMART? UM, NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T.
I CAN LOOK IT UP AND GET IT FOR YOU.
YEAH, I, I'D LIKE TO - IT'S TWO TO THREE.
GET THAT JUST AS A COMPARISON TO - I THINK IT'S TWO TO 300, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S JUST A MONSTER BACK IN THERE.
NO, I, YOU KNOW, THESE MIXED USE PROJECTS ARE GREAT.
I THINK ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS PHASING, RIGHT? AND, UH, TO ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT, UH, MR. KATES MADE REGARDING IMPLEMENTATION OF PLANNING, IT'S ALL ABOUT PHASING AND HOW IT COMES TOGETHER.
DOUBLES IN THE DETAILS, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN ONE OF MY THOUGHTS THE ENTIRE TIME, OR WHENEVER I SAW THIS INITIALLY, BUT I GUESS SO EARLY ON THAT I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS WORTH, UH, TOUCHING ON THAT.
BUT WE HAVE BEEN IN SCENARIOS WHERE IT'S, HEY, WE HAVE MIXED USE, MULTIFAMILY GOES UP AND YOU NEVER SEE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND FOR VARYING REASONS, RIGHT? SO OBVIOUSLY, I THINK, UH, AS YOU GET INTO THE DETAILS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME TYPE OF MIXTURE OF CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY - YOU BET.
WITH COMMERCIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT BEING A PRIORITY OVER THE, THE MULTIFAMILY.
I THINK WE'RE NARROWING DOWN ON QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, SO I WANNA TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY AND SHARE SOME THOUGHTS.
AND FIRST, THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS.
ANY- ANYTHING THAT I DISAGREED WITH HERE THIS EVENING.
I PROMISE YOU, YOU MAY LEAVE MORE CONFUSED THAN CLEAR ON, ON WHAT TO EXPECT, UM, OR WHERE TO GO.
UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MANY OF THESE CONVERSATIONS AND, UM, WE DON'T G - ALL GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION.
WE ALL GIVE OUR OPINION AND YOU HAVE THIS RECORDING TO GO BACK ON AND, AND, UH, LISTEN TO AND LOOK AT AND, AND GET ALL OF OUR FEEDBACK.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL WILL HOLD US TO THAT FEEDBACK.
UM, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE, AND THE MULTIFAMILY'S BEEN TOUCHED ON OR, OR, OR DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT.
I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS WITH MULTIFAMILY.
IN FACT, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF IT.
ANOTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS JUST THE PAD SITES AS WELL.
UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PTSD FROM A RECENT PAD SITE DEVELOPMENT THAT MAYBE DOESN'T MEET THE AESTHETICS OF, OF BERNIE, UM, THAT RECENTLY CAME ONLINE.
AND THAT'S, THAT PAD SITE OR THOSE PAD SITES WEREN'T BUILT IN CONFORMANCE OF THE UDC BECAUSE IT WAS...
HAD VESTED RIGHTS AND THE D - THAT'S NOT ANYTHING AGAINST THE DEVELOPER.
THEY DID WHAT THEY COULD, UM, BECAUSE THEY HAD VESTED RIGHTS.
BUT THE UDC'S IN PLACE BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE COMMISSIONERS AND PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS TOOK A LOT OF TIME ALONG WITH COUNCIL AND PARTNERSHIP TO CREATE A VISION OF WHAT BERNIE LOOKS LIKE.
I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BROUGHT THREE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS FORWARD TONIGHT.
IN MY MIND, THE PICTURES LOOK GREAT.
UM, OPTION ONE OR THE FIRST OPTION OF THE VILLAGE CONCEPT MINUS THE, THE MULTI-FAMILY IS EXACTLY WHAT SOBO LOOKS LIKE.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED A LITTLE FURTHER WHERE WE CAN SEE SOME EXACTNESS AND TAKE THE PRETTY PICTURES AWAY.
AND LET'S LOOK AT REALITY OF HOW THAT ALL FITS INTO A REAL DE- DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
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AND, AND IF THE PAD SITES REALLY DO LOOK LIKE THIS, I GET THAT, BUT I'M JUST SHARING SOME PAST EXPERIENCE OF WHAT WE DON'T WANNA SEE AGAIN.BEING IN THIS POSITION THAT I'M IN, I GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, AND I MAKE A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, UM, IN PREPARATION, AND I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS.
I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS ALL WEEKEND, TO, TO BE VERY FRANK.
UM, AND I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT WHAT BIRDIE NEEDS, WHAT'S NICE TO HAVE, WHAT BIRDIE NEEDS, WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT REALLY GIVES THE, THE COMMUNITY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT GO THROUGH MY MIND IS LIKE, "MAN, COMMISSIONER BIRD, YOU SAID 7:30." I WAS GONNA SAY, LIKE, WE ROLL UP THE SIDEWALKS AROUND 80 OR 8:30.
IN FACT, OFTENTIMES I GET OUT OF A BASEBALL GAME AT 7:30 WITH MY FAMILY, AND A LOT OF RESTAURANTS ARE CLOSED AT 8:00, SO WE CAN'T EVEN GO OUT TO EAT, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GOT HOMEWORK AND WE'RE IN A RUSH AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LIMITED TO FAST FOOD.
WOULD BERNIE SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THE VILLAGE MODEL AFTER 8:00 OR 9:00? I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THAT HOMEWORK, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD.
UM, I ALSO, COMMISSIONER VECINO, ABSOLUTELY FEEL VERY PROTECTIVE OF THE WHOLE COUNTRY MILE AND THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE INVESTED INTO MAIN STREET BERNIE TO PRESERVE THAT FEEL.
A LOT OF THOSE BUSINESSES ARE IN HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND THEY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, UM, TO CONDUCT BUSINESS DOWNTOWN.
UM, THERE'S SOME VERY RECENT EXAMPLES THAT HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTION IN THE BACK OF MY MIND OF WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO THE, THE, THE BUSINESSES, UM, ON DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANYTHING LIKE THIS ISN'T POSSIBLE, IT'S JUST A BIG QUESTION MARK.
AND SOME CONVERSATION WITH A GREAT FRIEND OF MINE, THERE, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF REFERENCES, AND THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, OF HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE.
THIS FEELS LIKE BERNIE'S VERSION OF HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE.
WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THE PEARL.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR COMPARISON.
AND THEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AS WELL OF A DEVELOPMENT IN FREDERICKSBURG, UM, CALLED THE MEWS.
UM, I'VE NOT VISITED, AND IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FULLY DEVELOPED, BUT IT VERY MUCH FEELS LIKE THIS CONCEPT AS WELL.
WHEN I HEARD FREDERICKSBURG, IT CLICKED FOR ME BECAUSE WE OFTENTIMES BRING UP FREDERICKSBURG IN OUR COMMENTS, NO MATTER WHAT, OR EVEN OUR THOUGHTS, NO MATTER WHAT THE DECISION IS THAT WE'RE MAKING, WE DO LOOK AT FREDERICKSBURG.
I LOOK AT FREDERICKSBURG AS MAYBE A TOWN THAT IS 10, 20, 30 YEARS AHEAD OF US, AND THERE'S SOME MISTAKES WE CAN LEARN FROM, AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT WE, UM, CAN LOOK AT AND SAY, "HEY, FREDERICKSBURG DID THIS RIGHT." AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE MUSE IS THAT EXAMPLE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IN RECENT YEARS, WE LOOKED AT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE AND HAVING SEPARATION DISTANCES BETWEEN SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT COMMUNITY FEEL.
UM, THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITIZENS OF BERNIE THROUGHOUT THE REPEATED SURVEYS.
IT WASN'T REAL POPULAR AMONG SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS, BUT WE LIMITED THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT WE USED FREDERICKSBURG AND SOME OTHER SIMILAR TOWNS THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY SEPARATION DISTANCES AS THOSE EXEMPLARY OR THOSE LESSONS LEARNED.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL USE AS A, AS A LOOK FORWARD, RIGHT, AS FREDERICKSBURG.
UM, IT'S NOT THE ONLY TOWN THAT CAN BE USED AS, AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT IT IS THE MOST NEARBY.
UM, AND SO I, I SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN ENDS, AND I COULD CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, BRING UP THE, THE DPZ THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
YOU ALL ARE ASKING FOR THE VILLAGE CONCEPT, SOME PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY THAT WE CAN'T REALLY MAKE A, A DECISION UP HERE ABOUT TODAY, UM, OR EVEN AT ALL.
THAT'S MORE OF A CITY COUNCIL, UM, DECISION, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK.
BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INPUT THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS TO OFFER.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS A LOT TO OFFER, AND I KNOW THAT STAFF HAS A LOT TO OFFER.
AND MR. MCCAMEY, I WANTED TO...
I'M GONNA PAUSE HERE, ASK YOU A QUESTION.
IN THE MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR, WE KINDA REFRAMED OR REBUILT OUR CITY OF BERNIE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RULES OF DECORUM AND SUBCOMMITTEE GUIDELINES.
AND I REMEMBER IT WAS A DIS - UH, A DOCUMENT THAT WE KIND OF INTENTIONALLY REFRAMED, REBUILT, AND I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION MOVED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE IT.
AND ON THAT SUB- SUBCOMMITTEE GUIDELINES, IT STATES
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THAT SUBCOMMITTEES MAY BE FORMED TO PROVIDE ADVISORY SUPPORT TO THE COMMISSION.THESE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE APPOINTED BY THE CHAIR WITH TWO OR THREE MEMBERS, HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE FULL COMMISSION, MUST ADHERE TO THE RULES OF DECORUM AND DOCUMENT THEIR MEETINGS, PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS AT PUBLIC COMMISSION MEETINGS, EXPIRE ONCE THEIR TASK IS COMPLETE, OR AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR, AND ADHERE TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND DOCUMENT THEIR MEETINGS.
THE STRUCTURE ENSURES THE COMMISSION OPERATES TRANSPARENTLY, EFFECTIVELY, AND IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE BERNIE COMMUNITY.
AND HEARING ALL OF THIS THIS EVENING, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
AND WHETHER THAT BE THROUGH A SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH I'VE SAT THROUGH, I'VE CHAIRED A FEW, SOME HAVE MOVED VERY QUICKLY, AND WE'VE DECIDED, HEY, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT LEFT THERE THAT WE CAN DO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH A DEVELOPER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, DEVELOPER'S HARD-HEADED AND THEY HAVE THEIR MIND SET ON WHAT THEY WANT, AND WE FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE TO SEE IF WE CAN TALK THROUGH THAT.
UM, BUT I DON'T GET THAT SENSE FROM YOU ALL, BECAUSE YOU'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A REALLY BIG DEVELOPMENT, UM, VERY OPENLY WITH THE COMMUNITY.
IN FACT, I'M SURPRISED THERE'S NOT MORE COMMUNITY INPUT HERE THIS EVENING.
BUT MR. MCKINNEY, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE AMONGST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS WITH THE AGREEMENT OF MR. BROWN AND MR. SCOTT.
AND, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO IT EVEN HAVING SOME COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT IF THAT'S ALLOWABLE.
UM, BUT I, I WANTED TO BROACH THAT TOPIC WITH YOU BECAUSE I KNOW ULTIMATELY - I, I THINK IT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY IF THE CHAIR THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE KIND OF THING THAT I BELIEVE THE SUBCOMMITTEE PROCESS WAS BROUGHT UP FOR, TO ACTUALLY MEET WITH POTENTIAL STAKEHOLDERS WITH A GROUP THAT'S MORE FOCUSED ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THEN REPORT BACK TO THE FULL, FULL, UH, COMMISSION.
HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT CONCEPT IS SEPARATE FROM ANY CITY, CITY COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT.
MR. BROWN AND MR. SCOTT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD EVEN BE WILLING TO CONSIDER AS WELL AS IDENTIFYING SOME PLANNING AND ZONING MEMBERS AND CONTINUING TO HAVE CON- CONVERSATION AND, AND, UH, HAVE CONVERSATION, BUT IN ACCORDANCE TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT? ABSOLUTELY, WE WOULD.
AND, UM, AGAIN, WE, OUR, OUR INTENT HERE TONIGHT WAS JUST TO SOLICIT INPUT FROM Y'ALL, NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO APPROVE ANYTHING.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET YOUR - SURE.
UH, YOU KNOW, INPUT AND, AND IT HELPS GUIDE US IN OUR, OUR, IN THE WAY WE APPROACH THIS.
BUT, UM, UM, BUT ABSOLUTELY, WE'D BE, UM, WE'D BE, UM, MORE THAN HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
WELL, TELL ME IF YOU THINK IT'S TOO EARLY TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND YOU GUYS WANT, WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND ANSWER THE HUNDREDS OF QUESTIONS WE, UM, I WANTED TO BRING THAT FORWARD AS A, AS A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, THROUGH SOME OF THOSE CONCEPTS.
UM, WE'RE VERY OPEN TO IT, I, I BELIEVE, AND, UM, WANTED TO GAUGE INTEREST FROM YOU.
WE'VE DONE THAT SEVERAL TIMES.
THEY USUALLY CALL IT A WORKSHOP AND, AND ABSOLUTELY WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT.
UM - MR. CRANE, WE HAVE YOUR SUPPORT ON THAT AS WELL.
SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YEAH.
COMMISSIONER FRYER, A QUESTION? WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
UM, YEAH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I'M NOT SURE, MR. CRANE, YOU SAID WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT.
I, I WAS PLANNING ON POTENTIALLY FORMING THE SUBCOMMITTEE HERE THIS EVENING, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE - THAT'S OBVIOUSLY Y- YOUR GUYS' CALL IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT.
I WAS MORE REFERRING TO PROCESS AND WHEN TO ENGAGE - CERTAINLY.
JUST WANTED TO GET SOME CLARITY THERE.
YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER ON IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THIS WOULD REQUIRE A PUD.
CAN SOMEONE HELP US REMEMBER, OR HELP ME REMEMBER, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF THOSE, WHAT ADDITIONAL GUARDRAILS DOES THAT ALLOW US IN A DEVELOPMENT? BECAUSE WHAT WE FEAR, BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED TO US BEFORE, IS THAT WE, WE APPROVE PLANS, WE GIVE ZONING, AND THE PROJECT COMES TO FRUITION, AND IT DOESN'T EXACTLY LOOK LIKE THE PRESENTATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DICTATE.
SO IN A PUD, WHAT GUARDRAILS DOES THAT GIVE US? WE, WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE TWO FLEXIBLE ZONING TOOLS.
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PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT WITH 727 JOHNS ROAD.
THAT'S FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE LESS THAN 10 ACRES.
WE HAVE ANOTHER TOOL CALLED A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
UM, WHY I'M FAMILIAR WITH THOSE ARE FOR BIGGER ONES, BIGGER COMMERCIAL PIECES LIKE THIS.
UH, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IN SOME DETAIL AND LOOK AT THE, UH, BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
WHAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH IN THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS IS YOU ACTUALLY CREATE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION, A CUSTOM ZONING DISTRICT, UH, FOR THIS WHERE YOU BUILD IN THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, YOU BUILD IN THE SPECIFIC USES, YOU BUILD IN THE, UH, HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, E- EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN INTO THAT DISTRICT.
UM, AND THAT GIVES YOU SOME COMFORT.
YOU CAN BUILD IN PHASING, THAT GIVES YOU SOME COMFORT IN, IN ADHERING TO A SPECIFICALLY APPROVED PDD.
AND WHAT WAS THAT ONE CALLED? PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
UM, THAT, THAT'S HOW I WOULD APPROACH THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
UM, A LOT OF IT'S GONNA BE CONTINGENT ON ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED BY APPLICANT, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THEIR, UH, PLANS ARE VERY, UH, SPECIFIC AND HAVE CLARITY AND TRANSPARENT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THE, UH, PROPOSAL.
BEFORE WE GET, B- BEFORE I, I CLOSE, THERE WAS ONE, THERE WAS ONE THING THAT I, ONE THOUGH I WANTED TO SHARE, AND I DON'T, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S VERY EARLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE THINK ABOUT THE NEEDS OF BERNIE, AND I WAS JUST AT AN EVENT ON THIS PAST THURSDAY, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
UM, AND IN CONVERSATION, IT WAS MADE THAT IN THE LARGEST EVENT VENUE THAT BERNIE CAN, CAN HAVE A, A SEATED MEAL AT IS ABOUT 300 PEOPLE.
WHAT'S THAT VENUE THAT SEATS 300? UM, IT WAS A KIN - KHANA, KHANA BALLROOM.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT PROBABLY CAN, CAN FIT THE SAME, BUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT ECONOMICS, RIGHT, AND OPPORTUNITY NEEDS FOR BERNIE, LIKE, IS, AND, AND RESTAURANTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS, IS, IS THAT A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY? THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT, THAT COULD BE BROUGHT UP AS FAR AS MEETING SPACE.
AND I KNOW THE, THE BEVY IS USED REGULARLY, BUT IT'S NOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE LARGEST SPACE EITHER.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THROUGH CONTINUED DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, THROUGH CONTINUED DISCUSSION WITH THE MULTI-FAMILY CONCERN, ARE THERE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO SHARE WITH YOU? AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, AND IN CLOSING, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAS? I'D JUST LIKE, I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO, UH - YES, SIR.
UM, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, AND THAT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING IN, IN MISSOURI CITY RIGHT NOW.
IN FACT, ON THOSE MAPS THAT I HANDED OUT, YOU CAN SEE THE PURPLE BUILDING FRONTING ON THE FORT BEND COUNTY TOLLWAY.
THAT IS A HOTEL AND EVENT CENTER.
AND TYPICALLY, UH, CITIES ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE EVENT CENTER COMPONENT OF IT BECAUSE THEY WANNA HAVE, THEY'RE LOSING THEIR BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, SALES TAX AND ALL THAT STUFF TO OTHER AREAS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T ACCOMMODATE WHETHER IT'S A CONVENTION OR RECEPTION OR WHATEVER IT IS, AN EVENT OF MORE THAN X PEOPLE.
UM, MISSOURI CITY'S LIMITED TO 500 AND THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD GET 800 TO 1,000, UH, UH, PARTICIPANTS.
AND, AND USUALLY IT HAS A HOTEL ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND THAT'S, UH, IT, THE KEY IS FINDING THE RIGHT OPERATOR FOR THE HOTEL THAT, BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
THE, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THE CITY OR THE COUNTY OR BOTH ARE USUALLY FINANCING THE EVENT CENTER COMPONENT OF IT.
BUT THE HOTEL HAS THE BIG CATERING KITCHEN THERE THAT SERVES THE, UH, BUT THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I, I'D LIKE TO...
COMMISSIONER BYRD, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN - MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
IN, IN DISCUSSING WITH M**K, WE MAY WANNA PUT, UH, THE ACTION ITEM TO CREATE THE COMMITTEE AT THE DECEMBER AGENDA.
WE JUST WANNA THANK ALL Y'ALL FOR TAKING TIME TO LISTEN TO US AND GIVING US INPUT, BECAUSE IT'S, WE, IT'S GONNA TAKE UH,
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IT'S GONNA TAKE A GROUP EFFORT TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS PULLED OFF, SO WE APPRECIATE IT AND APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.[5.b. 2026-475 Establish 2027 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting dates.]
FORWARD ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.TO ESTABLISH A 2027 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING DATES.
SHOULD'VE INVITED MY WIFE TO THIS MEETING.
OKAY, SO THIS ONE SHOULD BE A PRETTY QUICK ITEM.
SO HERE WE HAVE THE CALENDAR FOR NEXT YEAR.
UH, A COUPLE OF NOTES, UH, ALMOST ALL THE MEETINGS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE ON THE FIRST, UH, MONDAY OF THE MONTH.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE THREE EXCEPTIONS.
THE FIRST IS IN JANUARY, SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO MOVE THAT BACK A WEEK.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS BY REQUEST OF THIS BOARD, SO WE DID GO AHEAD AND INTEGRATE THAT INTO THE CALENDAR.
UM, THE OTHER TWO ARE FOR, UM, A DIFFERENT HOLIDAY.
SO HERE FOR THE JULY 4TH, MOVING IT, UM, BACK A WEEK TO THE 12TH AND HERE IN SEPTEMBER TO THE 13TH, UH, WHICH ARE TWO THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE OF HOLIDAY CONFLICTS.
DO Y'ALL SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS? I KNOW SOME OF IT'S PRETTY FAR OUT, BUT...
I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES AT THIS TIME.
IS THIS AN ACTIONABLE ITEM OR IT'S JUST THIS? IT IS AN ACTIONABLE ITEM.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BIRD.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR AGENDA.
[6. COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION/LEGAL COUNSEL/STAFF - No discussion or action may take place]
NUMBER SIX, COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION, LEGAL COUNSEL, STAFF.2026, 476, 2027 NATIONAL PLANNING CONFERENCE IN HOUSTON - YES.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, THIS IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY.
THE, UH, NATIONAL PLANNING ASSOCIATION, UH, DOES A, UH, ANNUAL CONFERENCE, UH, ANNUAL CONFERENCE, I WAS GONNA SAY ANNUALLY, BUT
IT GOES FROM WEST TO EAST COAST.
UH, WE HAVE THE CHANCE TO HAVE THAT BEING HELD IN HOUSTON THIS YEAR.
UH, IT IS, FOR THOSE THAT WENT TO THE APA, UH, IT'S LIKE THAT, BUT ON STEROIDS.
UH, SOMETHING IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU PLENTY OF MORE, OF HEADS UP ON IT.
I THINK WE HAVE, UM, BUDGETARY MONIES FOR A COUPLE OF YOU TO, TO ATTEND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.
MR. CRANE, I KNOW WHENEVER I ATTENDED THE ANNUAL...
IS IT AP, APA, ANNUAL PLANNING CONFERENCE? MM-HMM.
YEAH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, IT WAS, UM, VERY HELPFUL.
WE WERE ABLE TO SEEK OUT SOME DIFFERENT BREAKOUTS THAT WERE FOR CONS - SOME CONSIDERATIONS AT THE TIME, BUT THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS.
YOU SAID THIS WAS ON STEROIDS.
TYPICALLY, THEY HAVE A COMMISSIONER TRACK - OKAY.
THAT YOU CAN FOLLOW THROUGH AND I- IDENTIFY, UH, INDIVIDUAL SESSIONS.
IT ALSO, UH, HAS EXPOSURE TO CONCEPTS THAT ARE...
OR PLANS OR THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, SUCH AS THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE.
THERE'LL BE PRESENTATIONS ON THAT, UM, AND SO FORTH.
IF YOU, UH, JUMP ON, UH, THE, UH, AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION WEBSITE, YOU CAN SEE CONFERENCE PROGRAMS FROM PA - FROM THE PAST.
AND, AND TAKE A LOOK IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY WANNA SIGN UP TODAY?
UH, NOVEMBER 17TH IS OUR ANNUAL BOARD AND COMMISSIONS APPRECIATION EVENT, UH, FROM SIX TO EIGHT HERE AT CITY HALL.
AND I'VE ALREADY RSVP'D AS A YES.
LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL.
THANKS EVERYBODY FOR JOINING, AND I WILL CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:34 PM.